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tmdgm1
06-10-2004, 08:51 PM
I was wondering which planes in FB never really saw action or never existed and are theoretical? I've heard some Mig 3U's are theoretical and only 6 were built. Which planes, including mig3u types, fit this mold. I tend to avoid these in campaigns.

tmdgm1
06-10-2004, 08:51 PM
I was wondering which planes in FB never really saw action or never existed and are theoretical? I've heard some Mig 3U's are theoretical and only 6 were built. Which planes, including mig3u types, fit this mold. I tend to avoid these in campaigns.

james8325
06-10-2004, 09:05 PM
i think most every plane in the game was at least built. the p-80 was post war. the ta-152 saw little action. the bf-109z didnt see any action. there are others but i cant think of them right now.

LEXX_Luthor
06-10-2004, 09:13 PM
MiG~3U page buried deep inside here ---> http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/

Only FB planes that never saw action were Go~229, Bi~1, and Fb109Z--and this last one destroyed before first flight. All other FB planes saw action or at least missions intended for combat (including YP~80).

No FB plane is "theoretical" http://www.boardy.de/images/smilies/kopfpatsch.gif

I am building large campaign generator running on Fortran and it will include all Fantasy Planes for slight changes in a "what if" war. The oddball planes add surprises to a campaign in contrast to static re~runs like worn out videotapes. Good example is Fb109Z doing high speed long range jabo over Normandy beaches or Antwerp docks if not enough uber~expensive Me~262 jabo could be not manufactured. Granted I'd rather have Flyable Ar~234 bomber http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif but I have been thinking about 109z and it could have been a cheaper version and a better utilization of resources in a difficult time.

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NegativeGee
06-10-2004, 09:15 PM
Not flown:

Bf-109Z

Never saw combat deployment but built and flown:

Ho-229
BI-2

Prototypes underwent frontline trials:

I-185

Very limited deployment and/or combat use:

He-162
MiG 3U
YP-80
Yak-9K
Ta-152


For starters at least.

"As weaponry, both were good, but in far different ways from each other. In a nutshell, I describe it this way: if the FW 190 was a sabre, the 109 was a florett, or foil, like that used in the precision art of fencing." - Günther Rall

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woofiedog
06-10-2004, 10:58 PM
LEXX_Luther... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gifMint page about the Mig's in combat. It shows they were used a lot more than I have read about during the War.
And it's one of my Favorites for flying in the game. As long as you don't start taking hits.
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gifThank's for the Links.

Dammerung
06-10-2004, 11:05 PM
What some don't realize is that the YP-80 was flying in 1944 in Europe... Never saw action though. Does anyone know if the He-162 got any victories?

Oh, there are no fighter pilots down in hell...
Oh, there are no fighter pilots down in hell...
The whole damn place is full of queers, navigators, and bombadiers...
Oh, there are no fighter pilots down in hell...

NegativeGee
06-11-2004, 03:54 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dammerung:
What some don't realize is that the YP-80 was flying in 1944 in Europe... Never saw action though. Does anyone know if the He-162 got any victories?

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

From what I've read, 1 confirmed victory, a RAF Typhoon, to the He-162 made by Lt. R Schmitt on the 4th May 1945. IIRC he himself was killed in the same engagement, and the Typhoon pilot was captured and held at JG/1 base at Leck until overrun by British troops.

No doubt the YP-80 would have scored victories sooner, if it had been operating in areas where it could have encountered opposition.

"As weaponry, both were good, but in far different ways from each other. In a nutshell, I describe it this way: if the FW 190 was a sabre, the 109 was a florett, or foil, like that used in the precision art of fencing." - Günther Rall

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LEXX_Luthor
06-11-2004, 05:04 AM
woofiedog:: <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>LEXX_Luther... Mint page about the Mig's in combat. It shows they were used a lot more than I have read about during the War. And it's one of my Favorites for flying in the game. As long as you don't start taking hits.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Regular MiG, yes it far outnumbered Yaks and LaGGs in 1941. Don't lose that link, save it. The MiG story is sad cos it was the best pure high altitude interceptor in service then, but very little such combat happened over the battlefield where the MiGs were wasted. They also were the prime defense of strategic bombing of Moscow late 1941--the second time in history when the Luftwaffe was brutally Molested (first was BoB but that was a much larger scale than Moscow). But the Yaks were better for the battlefield thing.

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http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/10.gif Flyable Swedish "Gladiator" listed as J8A ...in Aces Expansion Pack

"You will still have FB , you will lose nothing" ~WUAF_Badsight
"I had actually pre ordered CFS3 and I couldnt wait..." ~Bearcat99
"Gladiator and Falco, elegant weapons of a more civilized age" ~ElAurens
:
"Damn.....Where you did read about Spitfire made from a wood?
Close this book forever and don't open anymore!" ~Oleg_Maddox http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

woofiedog
06-11-2004, 06:19 AM
LEXX_Luther, Great Link... allready placed it in my Favorites Page.
I wish that there was more print out on the Russian side of WW2. I have a few such as Red Phoenix,War on the Eastern Front, ect ect but most of the War is left blank as far as the Russian View of the conflict. Maybe more in the near future???
Again Thank's http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

nicli
06-11-2004, 06:34 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Dammerung:
"What some don't realize is that the YP-80 was flying in 1944 in Europe... Never saw action though. Does anyone know if the He-162 got any victories?"


The YP-80 flew in Europe but never saw action nor, AFAIK, was intended to, as it wasn't ready yet, a few were sent to Europe for propaganda purposes, to show the allied pilots that the US too could make jet planes.

For the He-162, apart from Schmitt's kill, I think there are two more, including one by Adolf Dickfeld.

But, unlike what has often been said, Herbert Ihlefeld never claimed a kill on the Volksjager, as he confirmed himself in an interview given in the early 90's.