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AFJ_Skyghost
01-11-2004, 11:50 PM
I just saw this topic, download the tracks and one of the tracks the #2 is very impressive

Is this the end of the myth of the impossible to cheat sim??

Here's the link:
http://www.netwings.org/dcforum/DCForumID38/1107.html

tell me what you think

AFJ_Skyghost
01-11-2004, 11:50 PM
I just saw this topic, download the tracks and one of the tracks the #2 is very impressive

Is this the end of the myth of the impossible to cheat sim??

Here's the link:
http://www.netwings.org/dcforum/DCForumID38/1107.html

tell me what you think

LeadSpitter_
01-12-2004, 12:14 AM
Last night in greatergreen I seen someone using that, they wouldn bnz from 5000+ and look like they are crusing so fast in thier dive then immediatly slow down on a dime using the 109k4 on a reds tail and I was like wtf to my team saying anyone else see that, I know you cant slow down like that with engine off proppitch 100 magnetos off, flaps and energy bleed manuvers with trim. They said its some speed hack program which slows down your computer to do it.

It definatly was not lag either and the first time I seen it playing almost every other day since the game was out. I have never seen that thread at netwings either until right now

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Blade_X__
01-12-2004, 12:27 AM
Well, the good thing is that it's easy to spot, and GG can kick offenders no problemo. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

TheGozr
01-12-2004, 12:31 AM
Geez! No honnor in Cheating..
I would be a shame of my self if i would cheat.

-GOZR

T_O_A_D
01-12-2004, 12:41 AM
Yeh I saw that too LS but got frustrated with dieing so fast I left server. I was going to go back in after bit I must of left before you came in. I saw you was in the room though decided to just hit the rack. I thought I was experienceing bad lag???????

Have you checked your Private Topics recently? (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=ugtpc&s=400102)
131st_Toad's Squad link (http://www.geocities.com/vfw_131st/index.htm)
My TrackIR fix, Read the whole thread (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?q=Y&a=tpc&s=400102&f=49310655&m=15310285&p=1)
2.11 drivers (http://home.mchsi.com/~131st-vfw/NaturalPoint_trackIR_2_11.exe)
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pourshot
01-12-2004, 12:54 AM
I have never been able to understand cheaters,I meen what kind of person gets a buzz out of winning in this way.Maybe they are such lossers in real life this is the only way they can win

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Dolemite-
01-12-2004, 12:58 AM
Wait a minute, are you saying that it is actually possible to cheat in IL-2?

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carguy_
01-12-2004, 01:05 AM
Why the shock?This cheat has been available since il2 days.

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crazyivan1970
01-12-2004, 01:15 AM
You`ll be amazed how many people are hosting with defauly security settings http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Lag and ability to cheat ... such as windows hacks, print screen and all other crap is responcibility of HOSTS. As far as speed hack goes.... there is a line in your conf.ini and on dedicated servers in confs.ini under NET

checkServerTimeSpeed=1
checkClientTimeSpeed=0 - change to 1 and try using speed hack http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Max lag settings should be

[MaxLag]
farMaxLagTime=6.0
nearMaxLagTime=1.5
cheaterWarningDelay=3.0
cheaterWarningNum=2
At least that...and not the default by all means.

Bottom line, once again...HOSTS are fully reponcible for all this...

Best of luck!

V!
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T_O_A_D
01-12-2004, 01:21 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
You`ll be amazed how many people are hosting with defauly security settings http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Lag and ability to cheat ... such as windows hacks, print screen and all other crap is responcibility of HOSTS.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

So how does one Host take responsiblity for these things. I understand the Speed hack and the config settings. But the windows stuff and printscreen how do you control that???

Have you checked your Private Topics recently? (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=ugtpc&s=400102)
131st_Toad's Squad link (http://www.geocities.com/vfw_131st/index.htm)
My TrackIR fix, Read the whole thread (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?q=Y&a=tpc&s=400102&f=49310655&m=15310285&p=1)
2.11 drivers (http://home.mchsi.com/~131st-vfw/NaturalPoint_trackIR_2_11.exe)
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Nero111
01-12-2004, 01:25 AM
posted by 663rd Wood ant Netwings
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Something else......my squadron along with many others sent Oleg information about the speed hack back in the IL-2 days.

He responded by adding the:
checkServerTimeSpeed=1
checkClientTimeSpeed=1

to the ini config in IL-2 and FB. This feature, if active, checks to make sure server and clients cpu speeds are the same, and if not, clients get booted.

As long as host has checkClientTimeSpeed set to 1 anyone trying to use a speed hack will get booted.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Nero111
01-12-2004, 01:27 AM
Also enough with the demo tracks on how it works.
Record the track ingame if you are absolutely sure somone is using it and then post the track, Name and Shame the bastards I say.

BBB_Hyperion
01-12-2004, 01:57 AM
Does someone know if
checkServerTimeSpeed=1
checkClientTimeSpeed=1
was on while this tracks were recorded and how often does this checkclientspeed compare the time when it is all 1 seconds there are still 800 ms of cheating time left or even more depends on the timecheck function ?

When i think about tolerance levels of internal pc clock then it might be possible that same planes fly diffrent on other system.

Regards,
Hyperion

RealKill
01-12-2004, 02:11 AM
quote:
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Something else......my squadron along with many others sent Oleg information about the speed hack back in the IL-2 days.

He responded by adding the:
checkServerTimeSpeed=1
checkClientTimeSpeed=1

to the ini config in IL-2 and FB. This feature, if active, checks to make sure server and clients cpu speeds are the same, and if not, clients get booted.

As long as host has checkClientTimeSpeed set to 1 anyone trying to use a speed hack will get booted.
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If the host has checkServerTimeSpeed=0, and has the hack? Then what? Which means the checkClientTimeSpeed would have to be 0, correct? So, if someone else comes in with the hack, then what? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Anywho, 'I' don't understand this... (I think he just wrote it wrong.)

"checks to make sure server and clients CPU speeds are the same, and if not, clients get booted"

That 'statement' could only apply to the host. No way the connecting client machine's CPU would have to match the host/server. Heck, hardly anyone could connect to a server if that was true, with those settings activated.

"As long as host has checkClientTimeSpeed set to 1 anyone trying to use a speed hack will get booted."

This is probably is what he meant the first time, in regards to settings, but not in regard to the host.

Sooo, someone tell what exactly those two things are for. I never paid any attention to them because I do not run a server.

Just thank goodness the IL-2 code is as guarded as it is. Man, all the darn cheaters out there. And, many people think there are really not very many, that they are just a small percent. I have been on other game's servers when almost the entire room was cheating! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

EDIT: Clarification.

EDIT: Oh, wait, OK. checkServerTimeSpeed=1, for the client, checks the host machine. checkClientTimeSpeed=1, for the server, checks the client machine. - I guess the client gets kicked either way. If the host is trying to cheat, the client gets kicked from that server? (Of course, if the client is trying to cheat, the client gets kicked from an 'honest' server.)

http://151.164.128.17/cyop/il2fb/sig/rksig.jpg

[This message was edited by RealKill on Mon January 12 2004 at 01:21 AM.]

[This message was edited by RealKill on Mon January 12 2004 at 01:26 AM.]

RedDeth
01-12-2004, 02:22 AM
sky now everyone will be cheating. just email jiri and oleg man.

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Alexi_Alx_Anova
01-12-2004, 02:27 AM
If adding the two lines;

checkServerTimeSpeed=1
checkClientTimeSpeed=1

By the host is all that is needed to rid us of a significant cheat, could someone please make this a sticky?

Alexi

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RealKill
01-12-2004, 02:29 AM
RedDeth, do not worry about it. For the most part. if someone wanted it, they already have it.

EDIT: Y, stickie would be good.

Let me repeat what I assume happens with these settings.

checkServerTimeSpeed=1
for the client, checks the host/server machine.

checkClientTimeSpeed=1, for the server, checks the client machine.

So, a host/server just needs to change
checkClientTimeSpeed=0 (Default setting.)
to
checkClientTimeSpeed=1
in the conf.ini file.

http://151.164.128.17/cyop/il2fb/sig/rksig.jpg

[This message was edited by RealKill on Mon January 12 2004 at 01:42 AM.]

reload2000
01-12-2004, 02:58 AM
I see this happen all the day.

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HansKnappstick
01-12-2004, 03:00 AM
I just don't get it. With my CPU speed 1.7 GHz, I would be able to play only with people who own equally crappy computers, right?

RayBanJockey
01-12-2004, 03:18 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by HansKnappstick:
I just don't get it. With my CPU speed 1.7 GHz, I would be able to play only with people who own equally crappy computers, right?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think they are talking about the speed of your windows clock, the little thing in the lower right corner of your desktop (time)

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HansKnappstick
01-12-2004, 03:28 AM
Ah so, dankesch¶n...

Wondering how many things my computer is broadcasting to the world when I am unaware...

Fehler
01-12-2004, 03:42 AM
That's pretty pathetic.

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AFJ_Skyghost
01-12-2004, 04:47 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RedDeth:
sky now everyone will be cheating. just email jiri and oleg man.

http://www.fighterjocks.net home of the 11 time Champions Team AFJ. 6 Years Flying. http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/ah_120_1065509034.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't think Jiri can do anything about this situation, maybe only to ban from HL those who became proved cheaters.

Oleg, I think he was already told about.
What I was told is those lines you guys are telling us to change on the ini file will only work if the cheaters changes his windows speed for more than 10 seconds.

Someone has to find a way to deal with this or it won t be worthy to pratice and to become the best we can if a sore looser can beat us just by doing that cheat http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

ElAurens
01-12-2004, 05:19 AM
Gentlemen, the way to fix this is to name names and squads of offenders.

I would.

Politeness ends when cheating is concerned.

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WooHooToYou
01-12-2004, 05:20 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
You`ll be amazed how many people are hosting with defauly security settings http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Lag and ability to cheat ... such as windows hacks, print screen and all other crap is responcibility of HOSTS. As far as speed hack goes.... there is a line in your conf.ini and on dedicated servers in confs.ini under NET

checkServerTimeSpeed=1
checkClientTimeSpeed=0 - change to 1 and try using speed hack http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Max lag settings should be

[MaxLag]
farMaxLagTime=6.0
nearMaxLagTime=1.5
cheaterWarningDelay=3.0
cheaterWarningNum=2
At least that...and not the default by all means.

Bottom line, once again...HOSTS are fully reponcible for all this...

Best of luck!

V!
Regards,

VFC*Crazyivan aka VFC*HOST

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Kozhedub: In combat potential, the Yak-3, La-7 and La-9 fighters were indisputably superior to the Bf-109s and Fw-190s. But, as they say, no matter how good the violin may be, much depends on the violinist. I always felt respect for an enemy pilot whose plane I failed to down.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Hehe crazyivan1970 when I posted recently about someone I thought was using a speedhack you told me to - go away you noob.

Does this mean your views on the subject have changed?

BTW I'm not a noob http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Nero111
01-12-2004, 05:22 AM
I have yet to see this phenomenon online.
I would loovvvvveeeee to see tracks of this with real people doing it.
I reckon if they belong to any squad of sorts that will just effectively trash whatever history and good name they had entirely, not just the alleged person that hacked but the whole unit. Nobody would want to fly against them ever again.
Its easy, if you see it happening, just start recording and dont say a word.
Once you have seen the same person do the same thing at least 3 times then you know for sure its not a lag thing when he was diving down.

NAME AND SHAME and BAN FOREVER.

My guess is that if this is a true way to actualy cheat, the lack of actual online play evidence suggests that its just to cumbersome to worry about and is not being widely used as it is to easy to spot by other players.

ElAurens
01-12-2004, 05:34 AM
Or perhaps it is just too hard to catch in the typical DF room environment....

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Copperhead310th
01-12-2004, 05:47 AM
lol Well this explains the skills of 70% of the
LW Flyiers online. Figures.

NorrisMcWhirter
01-12-2004, 06:16 AM
I think they are talking about the speed of your windows clock, the little thing in the lower right corner of your desktop (time)

&gt;&gt; So, this is to do with the timestamps of data coming into/out of the server (i.e. generated from your PC clock) so as to be able to synchronise where everyone "is" ? I would imagine that the resolution would have to be greater than the computer 'time' - maybe it comes from that 64bit internal timer?


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oFZo
01-12-2004, 06:27 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by HansKnappstick:
I just don't get it. With my CPU speed 1.7 GHz, I would be able to play only with people who own equally crappy computers, right?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Watch what you call crappy, dude, I'm writing to ya on a P3 450Mhz http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

(no, not my gamerig)

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1.JaVA_Hornet
01-12-2004, 07:03 AM
Hi,
I knew it!!!!!

Last year i was complaining on this forum
about guys who were(still are) cheating online.
I have seen the speed up cheat when i was chasing an opponent. Many people wrote that i was wrong and it was lag bla bla bla bla

And now this mail !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I was R I G H T !!!!

Wipe that cheaters for always.

1.JaVA_hornet
The Netherlands

AJRobson
01-12-2004, 07:15 AM
Okay. Here's a dumb question:

I've been having some serious clock problems since getting a UPS. Clock was off by over an hour this past weekend.

This won't cause a problem will it if I play online? Of course I will try to remember to reset the clock prior to any online action.

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SlickStick
01-12-2004, 07:47 AM
One thing to understand, although your PC clock is affected, what is getting overclocked is the internal clock that the Operating System runs at. This effectively increases the speed of any program that you're running.

This issue has been around since IL2 and as has been written on these forums for over two years, it has been fixed. Both the MAX LAG settings and the .ini lines eliminate this problem.

Yes, the speed hack programs can be tied to hotkeys, like a Push To Talk for Roger Wilco or other comms, but tight-*** MAX LAG settings will dictate how long and how fast or slow they can use it without being detected.

Hosts, protect yourself in two ways:

1. Always keep MAX LAG settings rather tight. I have fast cable and use Near=0.5 and FAR=1.0 when it's all cable pings under 100mS. If some dial-ups join and get booted naturally because of bad connects, oh well. They were only dragging the game down anyways.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I will not allow cheating within a gnat's *** on my servers and nothing is more obvious than a cable flyer who has a 59mS ping, P4 3.2, Radeon 9800XT and a gig of RAM and warps and lags and sets off the message everytime you're on his six. Let him be on your six though and it's "What connection problem?!?"http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

However, I find that even the worst dial-up pings at 300-500mS will play silky smooth and never set off my lag message because they do not have packet loss and aren't cheating. Packet loss, not lag is the key here.

The main thing you have to remember about warping is that during natural lag, the plane will stray for a sec and then correct back to the path. In maneuvering, cheat warp, the plane is constantly changing attitude, altitude, position and it's so easy to watch happen, that I LMAO everytime I see it now.

Just watch for the slight sideways movement of their plane when you're on their six. Then, when they have to come back from the space-time continuum in a few secs, because your MAX LAG is set good, blast them out of the sky.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

2. Using Notepad or similar, edit the netmessages.properties file in the i18n folder of the main FB folder for a default install. Add a {0}in front of the three messages and you'll see the name of the pilot who sets off the message. Everybody has to do this locally on their machine as well, to see it, too.

The saddest part of this is that there are many pilots from squads around here who are most certainly speed hacking. I could post a list with 100% accuracy of prominent squad members around here who lie through their teeth about cheating. I call it "Honor in the Light".http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

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Nero111
01-12-2004, 08:09 AM
Posting names from the past wont help, get some recorded tracks and start afresh and lets fry the SOB's once and for all.

I was flying on our server 2 nights ago, Was high in a 109 (3500m) and saw a boggy below me (1500-20oom) followed undeteced for a few minutes trying to get myself in a good postion with a good AoA. Next thing he was gone and I was watching him the whole time. I went a bit lower and scanned around the area, nothing, looked behind me and BOOM everything went black. This happened twice with the same player involved. Never thought of it but that could well of been this type of thing. Our server ini has been ammended now and I wanna see what happens when they join again.

RayBanJockey
01-12-2004, 08:50 AM
I have yet to see a cheat in IL2 or FB.

I think some of you are just paranoid.

Ever see someone going in slow motion? It's not a cheat. They are easily killed. There is just something wrong.

I know a close friend that sometimes very rare but true I can sit there and load all the ammo into his plane and nothing happens.

Some people just have screwed up connections that flare up some of the time, so be careful who you call a cheat.

I am an online ace and have never seen nor accused anybody of cheating in this sim. (of course I have heard myself being called a cheat plenty of times, but all aces hear this and don't care much)

Just let your max lag settings or whatever take care of it. I guarantee if you make lists of people you will be wrong.


edit: Also cable pings are some of the worst on the internet. When Seinfeld comes on or something, everbody in the neigborhood is hogging the bandwidth. Thats why dial up (and of course DSL) can be better.

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crazyivan1970
01-12-2004, 09:25 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
Hehe crazyivan1970 when I posted recently about someone I thought was using a speedhack you told me to - go away you noob.

Does this mean your views on the subject have changed?

BTW I'm not a noob http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ahem, first of all i never called anyone a n00b, so let`s not go down that road http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

My views were always the same, there is no cheating in IL2/FB Yet but there are all sorts of outside cheating which could be controlled by the server. My server runs every day at least for 12 hours and 24/7 on the weekends and i must say that i have not heard a single complain about slightest cheating or even warping... because warping usually puts your outside of my game in the matter of seconds. Maybe i am just a lucky one and surrounded by honest people, who knows http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

V!
Regards,

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Kozhedub: In combat potential, the Yak-3, La-7 and La-9 fighters were indisputably superior to the Bf-109s and Fw-190s. But, as they say, no matter how good the violin may be, much depends on the violinist. I always felt respect for an enemy pilot whose plane I failed to down.

Lunix
01-12-2004, 09:50 AM
LeadSpitter. When you see behaviour like this you should drop Sammie a line with the offenders callsign.

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RayBanJockey
01-12-2004, 09:55 AM
I have been called a cheat before when making evasive maneuvers.

"Nice lag move" (no that wasn't a complement)

Sometimes, at high speeds, when I am doing some serious jinking, the cheater has been detected message will pop up. Although I have never been booted for this sometimes I wonder if it was me , and therefore when people are in close proximity doing erratic maneuvers, the machine has more trouble keeping up.

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SlickStick
01-12-2004, 10:02 AM
RBJ, you couldn't be that naive.

For someone who is an online ACE, you certainly have very little technical knowledge of how it all works.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

What you and the other uninformed think is lag, the vets and those who worked on the MAX LAG settings and the testing of those settings, know differently. Much differently.

This issue and the little disconnects are also the reason why certain birds take shell after shell after shell online. You see the hits, the puffs of smoke, the debris, but since they're warping, half of the shots do not actually register or pass through the plane.

Ya just have to know when they're tangible and when they're intangible. With a little practice, it's very easy to spot, and it justs takes a little more patience to bring down a rank, warping, cheatin' scumbag.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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SlickStick
01-12-2004, 10:08 AM
Ya also don't know how to read, RBJ. I explained how you can see the name of the pilot who sets off the message in my previous post.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

No amount of honest, high-speed maneuvering in the world will setoff the message. It has only to do with packet loss. If your machine is freezing or disconnecting because of your "high-speed" maneuvering and setting off a lag message, then either your hardware or your connection has a problem.

Low end systems can set off the message allot, because they have allot of HDD activity happening or their machines can't keep up.

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BpGemini
01-12-2004, 10:11 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by pourshot:
I have never been able to understand cheaters,I meen what kind of person gets a buzz out of winning in this way.Maybe they are such lossers in real life this is the only way they can win
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My 9-year old daughter used to be ok with cheating to win but I think she grew out of that when she was around 6 or 7.

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1.JaVA_Hornet
01-12-2004, 10:23 AM
I have seen the above named tracks.

Bann that man!!!

I have also seen this several times.

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Lixma
01-12-2004, 10:25 AM
I've seen quite a few 'printscreen' warps when on somebody's 6. Thankfully they're immediately kicked in most cases but it is annoying. Occasionaly they'll come back blaming their connection. Funny how their connection was rock solid up till the point i started pumping lead into them.

W.A.N.K.E.R.S.

I've also seen a wierd thing a couple of times. Planes pitching up and down at high frequency but apparently flying and turning quite normally. Dunno what causes this but the player's ping (and mine) seemed ok so i'd rule out connection trouble. Maybe they've trimmed the plane intentionally or mistakenly too far in one direction or another but it's alarming the first time you see it.

JG27_Dacripler
01-12-2004, 10:56 AM
I suppose in any game your going to find someone that is "clever" enough to find their way around the "sytem". Unfortunately, we have to be aware of accusations to individuals without evidence to harm them. I have seen occasions of what I felt was foul play but it is just something we will have to wise up to and become experienced and just never fly with those bad apples.. They will be singled out by themselves; lonely and without game and a ruined reputation. I think that gaming has its way of separating the best and establishes those who play by the rules. I host infrequent, but I set my config. file to a simple format which allows a little little leniency for the the dial up players at an acceptible range and gives just one opportunity to spike a ping and they are instantly removed. (screen shots, warping, etc..) So my top number I give a generous 7 and a final number at 1 for the boot instantly when they go beyond this threshold.

LilHorse
01-12-2004, 11:32 AM
I think if all hosts enter 1 "in check client time speed" and have tight max lag settings these a$$holes will have to go away and find some other game to indulge their pathetic sh!t-for-brains pathology.

Our squadron C.O. will only have us fly in those VEF games where the host has max lag settings enabled. Some ppl get pissed off about this. Too damn bad. One can only assume then that they are cheatin' bastages.

GoodKn1ght
01-12-2004, 01:14 PM
gee theres only what,.. 12 fb online servers anyway? just ban him.

AFJ_Locust
01-12-2004, 01:58 PM
tHIS IS BAD VERY VERY BAD.......

I left the last sim/game I was flying in because scumbags were cheating, at first EVERYONE said no it was not possible, but then it Spred like a disease.... after about 1 year 65% of the flyers were on hacked.exe wich allowed the ac to go well outside there normal preformance envelope. That game is now Dust...

It dryed up like a Prune in less than 1 year, All the Good Pilots with Honor & Skill LEFT & then it died....

I sure hope this dosent happen to FB

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Gibbage1
01-12-2004, 02:26 PM
Think of it this way. These people (hackers) have a lot of skill in hacking programs (and none flying) and have been working on it for YEARS!!! And they can only find a VERY cheap and VERY old hack to cheat with. I think that says two things.

#1, Oleg did a very good job quashing back doors. You dont see very bad hacks like Aim bots, heat seaking bulletes, or UFO's. Only lame hacks like this.
#2, It took these punks years to find a way of cheating. Knowing Oleg, he will patch this and it will take them years to find the next hack.

If everyone keeps an eye on things, we cal "self police" things. The online comunity is rather small. A lot of us know each other rather well. If we keep an eye out for this, and report it to the admins of servers, then we can get these few offenders banned from all good servers.

Just remember, track recorder is your best friend when dealing with cheaters. But make sure you A: have a track recorded of it, and B: play the track yourself to make sure it was not a mistake before reporting it.

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Wait a minute, are you saying that it is actually possible to cheat in IL-2?

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VW-IceFire
01-12-2004, 03:43 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GoodKn1ght:
gee theres only what,.. 12 fb online servers anyway? just ban him.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Lots more than that...and we're not even counting the co-ops and other games that get run that aren't really counted as servers.

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crazyivan1970
01-12-2004, 03:53 PM
He probably meant full time dedicated servers Fire... others.. i think about 40-50.

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Fehler
01-12-2004, 04:01 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Copperhead310th:
lol Well this explains the skills of 70% of the
LW Flyiers online. Figures.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh I thought it was the "LW is overmodeled excuse."

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RedDeth
01-12-2004, 06:27 PM
rgr that slickstick. i always thought you were nuts yammering about max lag setttings and such. now i see why. the team mastiff server has tightened up its max lag settings and did that protection number 1 deal thingy in ini. file. whether its real or fake we are as protected now as we can be. some dialups will get booted now but were ready now

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SodBuster43
01-12-2004, 11:15 PM
I'm getting real close to just playing offline. I do much better offline for sure against a consistant foe. Unless, of course, the AI start using hacks.

Tonight online I saw two teammates within icon range suddenly go into warp drive. Instantaneously their icon, plane, then dot etc. vanished.

A lot of these guys leave the base and accellerate away, way beyond the capabilities of my ac to keep up.

I love the planes that warp out of your sights every time you squeeze the trigger. You just want to reach out and ring the little buggers neck. This is usually caused by lag but maybe not in every case?

Now, I am sure there are players that truly are ace material, but some of the high scores I see accumulated in such a short time are sometimes a bit out of the ordinary I think. It depends on the length of a mission in the scripted servers. Some players consistantly become one man fighter squadrons it seems.

Or maybe I am such a mediocre player it is beyond my ability to realise competance in the art of dogfighting.

Anyway, this confirms my suspicions about cheats and hacks. Every time I play online something really goofy happens that just does not seem right.

Months ago I was complaining about how quickly some players were able to return to a hot dogfight when their base was on the other side of the map. I was told that this was my imagination or I didn't know what i was talking about or I was just a poor pilot, etc. etc. These guys seemed to be able to be in two places at the same time almost.

I wouldn't be too sure that there are not things like aim bots, etc. also being used. I was flying close to an enemy watching him the whole time and as we passed in opposite directions my plane was hit badly. I was watching his plane the entire time and the angle that his plane was to mine would not have permitted a shot at all. I saw the tracers fire at me though from a funny angle. Like I said, goofy things happen.

I think a lot of these cheaters are younger people. I would hope that older folks like myself would not stoop this low and be entertained at the expense of others.

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01-13-2004, 12:18 AM
I would like to know what Rock I've had my head under. I've been involved since the Demo and I've only heard sort whispers of what type of cheats are out there if any. And now some of you talk as if this has been around forever. Either I'm nterribly nieve about them or am one of the chosen that wasn't to be told of how to and what to look for all this time http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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1.JaVA_Hornet
01-13-2004, 06:20 AM
hi,
I wrote earlier about the speedcheat.

Once i was flying on a server. An il2 was
flying far from me and was flying another
direction. Normally it was(is) impossible to shoot me down. He shot me down with 2 shots.

I took another plane and it happened again and
again and then i quite and i took another server.

Untill today i was thinking how that was (is) possible. After that day i have never seeing it again.

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WooHooToYou
01-13-2004, 06:27 AM
It always surprises me when people who know the game well say they have never seen any cheating.

I remember getting into a discussion sometime ago with someone who was adamant there was very little cheating in counter-strike.

I have spent many,many,many (etc) hours playing FB (and the original) online both with a dial-up modem and broadband and as far as I'm concerned some people do cheat.

Although it happens on medium settings servers, as far as I can see the main culprits seem to inhabit the full settings servers. I presume this is the case as it is hard to see what everybody is doing all the time, when you are stuck in the cockpit.

I don't pretend to be the world's greatest on-line ace, but I do know about the comparative performance of the planes modelled in the game.

When I'm in (for example) a Yak3 and another guy in a P40 is able to either match my turning radius, or even out turn me alarm bells start to ring!!

I'm sure a number of people will say he got the better of you, because he was the better pilot you noob', or it was a connection abnormality'.

I am not a noob pilot and just don't believe that another guys surprising' climb performance is just explained away by a connection abnormality'.

It's great to have setting in the conf.ini to combat cheating, but it seems to me that a number of servers have these settings left at there defaults, so cheaters will not get kicked.

I think it's not just 13 year olds who cheat at computer games 35 year olds do it to and it's not casual' some people are prepared to put some time and effort into cheating. If something is in any way competitive and there is a way to cheat, some people will cheat to give themselves an unfair advantage.


To sum up I think the climb and turn performance of some of the planes I meet on-line is definitely in the ufo category.

RayBanJockey
01-13-2004, 08:44 AM
Ok I watched the 2nd track so I believe it's possible.

Whatever that thing Oleg says detects it needs to check for it at least every 3 seconds

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Cpt-Madcowz
01-13-2004, 09:22 AM
If the speed hack is prevented by making sure the host & client's clocks show the same time... couldn't I just set mine back 24 hours and whup yer asses a day early?

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Aaron_GT
01-13-2004, 10:30 AM
"When I'm in (for example) a Yak3 and another guy in a P40 is able to either match my turning radius, or even out turn me alarm bells start to ring!"

Is that in a flat turn, or was one plane in
a flat turn and the other using some of
the vertical, as P47s often did?

Fehler
01-13-2004, 11:01 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RayBanJockey:
Ok I watched the 2nd track so I believe it's possible.

Whatever that thing Oleg says detects it needs to check for it at least every 3 seconds

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Cmon Ray.. You remember from UO days.. speedhacks like Gear. That track looks very familiar. That second track really shows it. The 1st one could be trim and flaps, it's not that noticable. But the 2nd.. no way! It's like the guys hits afterburners!

I hope all cheaters die.

P.S. Trim is not a cheat.

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Slammin_
01-13-2004, 12:03 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Cpt-Madcowz:
If the speed hack is prevented by making sure the host & client's clocks show the same time... couldn't I just set mine back 24 hours and whup yer asses a day early?

:-)



I'm pretty sure that what the checks do is determine if there is a change in client or server speed, and not that there is any specific speed.

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01-13-2004, 04:42 PM
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Because these apps can be bound to a hotkey, this is an easy way to create a quick overshoot of the bogey behind you by applying slower O/S clock speed "air brakes" and you can almost bring your plane to a mid-air stop, when compared to the guy going 300km/h+ behind you at normal clock speed.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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BM357_Raven
01-13-2004, 04:56 PM
WooHoo wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Although it happens on medium settings servers, as far as I can see the main culprits seem to inhabit the full settings servers. I presume this is the case as it is hard to see what everybody is doing all the time, when you are stuck in the cockpit.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm not so sure about this. The reason I say this is that I always try to find Full Real servers to fly in. I have seen strange things in FR games for sure, but I have also seen them in the lower settings games just as much (which is where I often end up after not being able to find a FR server).

There are some pilots that are expert BnZ pilots and who make it seem like you are fighting a ghost pilot or a cheater, but I dont think that is the case-- although it might feel that way to a lot of people.

Further, the issue of visibilty can make it very hard to see what is going on behind you in a way that can deprive you of information you would otherwise obtain about a bandit were you in a full screen game.

I also have read comments that the in-cockpit mode can really tax a system and perhaps might attribute to stutter or slew. I welcome anyone to correct me on this, because I dont claim it to be the case, just what I've heard.

I have found in several games (that I have ended up leaving) that when I get close to a certain enemy he will begin to slew, especially when he jinks about trying to dodge my fire. However, I have usually ***umed it was a connection issue or otherwise, and simply left the game to find a more stable one. Could this be a form of cheat as well or is it merely one of the most mis-interpreted conditions of online gaming?

When we fly tight formations online, my squad will sometimes experience slew that can have devistating results, esp. when we are all like .1 away from each other.

I'll take a stab by proposing that perhaps as planes get closer and closer there are extra calculations that occur...Anyone? Or perhaps errors/inconsistencies are just more apparent as these moving objects get within such close range of each other that small changes are more easily detected.. For example a change of distance between two moving objects of lets say 10 feet is much more noticable when you are 30 feet away than when you are several 100 feet away... Welcome correction here as well..

I dunno. But after looking at these .ntrk's it looks to me a lot like what I have seen before online. Sometimes I notice it happens with people I trust... That there is slew and they whip accross the screen.

So here is the question. How do you tell if it is a connection or innocent processing hick-up as opposed to a downright cheat?

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RedDeth
01-13-2004, 05:39 PM
this thread needs to be locked to go away

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SlickStick
01-13-2004, 05:40 PM
BM357_Raven wrote: So here is the question. How do you tell if it is a connection or innocent processing hick-up as opposed to a downright cheat?

I set my MAX LAG tight to detect packet loss and set the conf.ini file to detect speed and I let the game decide who's doing what to make the packet loss occur.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I find that most honest people who set off the message or get kicked by the game, come back and find they had a program running or experienced one of those awesome 20 second freezes you get when people are using rapid fire screenshots with a third party program.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif Tha game only allows 1 per every ten seconds. Or they had some other hardware or internet-related issue and they don't have any more problems when they return.

With the true cheats, once you set up your netmessages.properties file to link a name to the pilot setting off the message, you start to see a pattern with certain people. You can watch them in F2 and just sit back and smile as you see the message going off, while watching them warp, roll, quiver, quake, zoom, go sideways and all that good stuff....and it only seems to happen when they're in danger or capping off a nice long zoom climb.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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SKULLS Virga
01-13-2004, 05:43 PM
"this thread needs to be locked to go away"

Why?

If it doesn't interest you then move along.

SlickStick
01-13-2004, 05:46 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RedDeth:
this thread needs to be locked to go away.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually Red, I think this thread needs to be a sticky. Everybody needs to learn how to detect and recognize this crap and help put and end to it.

We shouldn't hide it away, thinking we need to not let people see it, because it's use might spread. Everyone will be so good at telling lag from warp, and it is so easy to do once you know what to look for and you're watching the message go off at the same time with his name plastered across the front, lol.

My .02

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Fehler
01-13-2004, 08:07 PM
Well, this is all very interesting, BUT...

I think I have seen the words "You Cheater" more times today then I have in the entire time I have been flying on-line.

There is "Cheater" hysteria going on now. Let me assure some of you. "Some" of you are bad pilots. A guy that B&Z or has more "E" than you and climbs to an attack from under you isnt always a cheater.

Likewaise, pilots that slow down or turn inside you might be using trim and flaps.

Everyone might want to take a chill pill and realize that sometimes, the guy that just beat you is better than you are.

People LOVE the word cheater because it exhonorates them of their "Otherwise" terrible flying.

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JG77Hawk_9
01-13-2004, 08:54 PM
Slick Stick, don't be a cable snob, pings of the 300 range play fine it is when they creep into the 400/500's then you get lag.

As for cheating, all I can say is each to their own but it is pretty sad to have people needing to alter a games performance to enjoy it. Why not just stick with crimson skies or some other arcade game for flying as obviously they aren't cut out for simulations.

Oh and BTW, nice too see RBJ alive again on this board (-; your bouncing boffin was missed.

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SlickStick
01-13-2004, 09:37 PM
I know Hawk, I don't mean to be snobbish, but I just like a smooth game. However, I found that most dialups don't set off the message because of ping. It's when there's packet loss. There's a difference and the MAX LAG detects it.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

As for paranoia and calling cheat and all everytime someone is better, that's not what we're talking about here, but I can see where that would be the words of the mis-informed who do not actually read this thread.

The game will do all the detecting you need and you don't even have to comment on it in the chat. I set mine up and if people have packet loss, they have a problem with their connection, plain and simple. The cheaters will either stop or leave. The honest people will question what's up with their connect and try to fix it and everybody has a nice smooth game. My .25 philosophy on it.

Bad dialup as an excuse is weak at best. Even AOL has pretty damn good 56K. I was on it for a temporary three months a year ago or so.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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SlickStick
01-13-2004, 09:42 PM
And flew every night on AOL with 220-320mS ping at connect and variances between and never set off the lag message on a friends cable server, unless there was a hard disk access or similar freeze on my machine for a couple of random secs, which used to happen more in past versions of IL2 and FB.

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GoodKn1ght
01-13-2004, 09:47 PM
id be willing to bet most of the cheaters inhabit the arcade servers. the FR servers consist of the people with real skill, and therefore, dont have to cheat. the fr servers are also where you find the pilots that like the immersion and would be less inclined to cheat whereas no cockpit and externals is more like counterstrike where you find an abundance of cheaters.

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01-13-2004, 09:54 PM
Some would disagree. It seems to me it would be allot easier to move around in warp when the bogey can't follow you with externals or open pit/padlock, and see what you're up to.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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RayBanJockey
01-13-2004, 10:03 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GoodKn1ght:
id be willing to bet most of the cheaters inhabit the arcade servers. the FR servers consist of the people with real skill, and therefore, dont have to cheat. the fr servers are also where you find the pilots that like the immersion and would be less inclined to cheat whereas no cockpit and externals is more like counterstrike where you find an abundance of cheaters.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's alot easier to get away with this sort of cheat when there are no range icons or externals and people can hardly see anything due to the cockpit. That is why the cheaters probably do this in the dull real servers.

I enjoy full real servers, however once I am warmed up I head on over to the cockpit-off servers to play with the big boys (more competition). Medium servers are a higher level of dogfighting because you are doing more than looking for a dot and saying "are you my Mom?". There is higher level of advanced thinking when more variables are known.

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GoodKn1ght
01-13-2004, 11:02 PM
some may even go as far as saying knowledge of those "extra variables" is cheating in itself.

cheating is more rewarding when you can rack up the most amount of kills in the least amount of time. thats why my guess is that if cheating exists, there is more presence in the arcade noob settings servers. speaking of noobs, those are the people that will be more inclined to cheat, and there are more of them on arcade servers. maybe you think there is more competition on the noob servers because you are actually flying against cheaters lol.
just because you can see everywhere with externals doesnt prevent people from cheating, they will do it anyway and blame lag.

skill vs settings is another debate, i think ive established my point and it makes more sense than yours.

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RayBanJockey
01-13-2004, 11:29 PM
I have already mastered full real settings.

I am beyond that point and someday you might be too.

I have gone back to medium settings however because there are more variables to ponder when dogfighting and the level of competition is higher.

Full real is more like checkers, Medium settings are more like chess.

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RedDeth
01-13-2004, 11:40 PM
goodknight what is with your attitude? you always attack any server settings you dont like then you fly in those servers anyway. you attack anyone and everyone and have the worst attitude. go get a coke and a smile and ...........

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GoodKn1ght
01-13-2004, 11:51 PM
there arent many FR servers because not many people can fly well in those settings so sometimes ill join an arcade server and leave the pit on for gunnery practice. attacking anyone? no was just sharing my point of view sorry if you disagree. i dont see how my attitude is any worse or better than anyone elses, i dont like cheaters...but i dont worry about them as much because chances are they dont fly in my settings.
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RayBanJockey
01-14-2004, 12:05 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GoodKn1ght:
there arent many FR servers because not many people can fly well in those settings<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

This is a common misconception among the group belonging to the classification "full real elitists"

People fly medium settings because it is simply a better game to play. Full real is the equivalent of wearing clothes that are too tight.

The monitors should be wider, the cockpit bars should have transparent lateral edges (pilots have 2 eyes not 1) and padlock should be present, as well as the speedbar. Full real still has a ways to go before it is a viable alternative.

But anyway, this thread is about cheaters so I'll quit talking about what settings are better.

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tagert
01-14-2004, 12:21 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RayBanJockey:
This is a common misconception among the group belonging to the classification "full real elitists"<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Nope! It is just your misunderstanding of people looking for a real experance using real tatics over a Quake shoot em up type of game.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RayBanJockey:
People fly medium settings because it is simply a better game to play.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Agreed 100%! Where the key word here is GAME! If you want to mixx it up 500 ft off the ground 3 seconds after you got your wheels up with enemy aircraft that took off from the base that you can see from yours becase they dont want to waist any time flying to the action... PLEASE be my guest! ENJOY! GO FOR THE HIGHT SCORE! Just know that is not what the Full Real Servers typically provide! And, if they did I wouldnt refer to it as a FR server even if all the settings were set to FR!

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RayBanJockey:
Full real is the equivalent of wearing clothes that are too tight.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Said the man in the skin tight Michel Jackson Red Jacket! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RayBanJockey:
The monitors should be wider, the cockpit bars should have transparent lateral edges (pilots have 2 eyes not 1) and padlock should be present, as well as the speedbar.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>yadah yadah yadah... All of which has nothing to do with FR! Ill try and sum it up for you... FR settings force you to apply realistic tatics, thus it makes for a more realistic experance... IT IS REALLY JUST THAT SIMPLE!

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RayBanJockey:
Full real still has a ways to go before it is a viable alternative.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>You couldnt be more wrong if you tried!

TAGERT

[This message was edited by tagert on Wed January 14 2004 at 03:50 PM.]

Lunix
01-14-2004, 01:52 AM
I have my system clock on a slider

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Air_Mail
01-14-2004, 02:24 AM
this is a game not a simulator. and flying full real in this GAME is nothing like flying a real plane.

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Zen.Fighter
01-14-2004, 02:33 AM
I can only tell you that this speedhack is working with max. lag. settings on. There is no way the host can help this if the cheater uses it smartly. He only have to use it for small periods, i.e. speedhak on for 7 secs - stop - speedhack on for 7 secs - stop - speedhak on for 7 secs - stop - etc....

tagert
01-14-2004, 04:52 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Air_Mail:
this is a game not a simulator. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Depends on your definition and where you decide to draw the line.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Air_Mail:
and flying full real in this GAME is nothing like flying a real plane.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Agreed 100% And on that note, flying a little red and white civilian aircraft in peace time is nothing like flying a warbird in war time. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

TAGERT

[This message was edited by tagert on Wed January 14 2004 at 05:46 PM.]

Air_Mail
01-14-2004, 08:12 PM
it is very similar. you know how many K-4s i have shot down in my decathalon. i just have my slider and trim set up so i can out turn them. O yea thats right, there IS NO slider in a real airplane. and im pretty sure, not %100, but close, that when you trim a real airplane it sets the stick (yoke) at a new zero point as to neutralize the preasures. not increase the rate it turns. in fact i am sure. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

in simulators, the area where you sit is set up just like a real plane. so if the real plane has a nav light switch on the left side of the instrument pannel then the sim has it there as well. hence simulating being in an airplane. otherwise flight schools would save hundreds of thousands of dollars and just buy Microsoft Flight Sim.

go to one of the P-51 rental companies and tell them you want to rent thier stang because you played FB in Full Real for 40 hours and see what they say.

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tagert
01-14-2004, 09:55 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Air_Mail:
it is very similar. you know how many K-4s i have shot down in my decathalon. i just have my slider and trim set up so i can out turn them. O yea thats right, there IS NO slider in a real airplane. and im pretty sure, not %100, but close, that when you trim a real airplane it sets the stick (yoke) at a new zero point as to neutralize the preasures. not increase the rate it turns. in fact i am sure. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

in simulators, the area where you sit is set up just like a real plane. so if the real plane has a nav light switch on the left side of the instrument pannel then the sim has it there as well. hence simulating being in an airplane. otherwise flight schools would save hundreds of thousands of dollars and just buy Microsoft Flight Sim.

go to one of the P-51 rental companies and tell them you want to rent thier stang because you played FB in Full Real for 40 hours and see what they say.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>YAWN

TAGERT

Air_Mail
01-14-2004, 11:47 PM
victory!!!!!!!!!!

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AFJ_Locust
01-15-2004, 01:16 AM
AIR MAIL IS A GOD......

u r not

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tagert
01-15-2004, 12:05 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Air_Mail
victory!!!!!!!!!!
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>LOL! So your delusions are not limited to civilian piloting? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

TAGERT

lil_labbit
01-15-2004, 01:21 PM
hehe
At least X-plane has FAA approval - don't see FB doing that http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
http://www.x-plane.com/FTD.html

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