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GR142_Astro
05-14-2004, 01:33 AM
Friday evening, 8pm/9pm.

I know, yawn and been there done that. Thought maybe a few us are still interested in seeing how the P51 won the war. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Anyway, sure to be a re-run but somehow I've managed to never see it before. Maybe they'll have some good guncam. Something to do while we wait for our 2-week patch.

Happy Friday everyone, <S>

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GR142_Astro
05-14-2004, 01:33 AM
Friday evening, 8pm/9pm.

I know, yawn and been there done that. Thought maybe a few us are still interested in seeing how the P51 won the war. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Anyway, sure to be a re-run but somehow I've managed to never see it before. Maybe they'll have some good guncam. Something to do while we wait for our 2-week patch.

Happy Friday everyone, &lt;S&gt;

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PBNA-Boosher
05-14-2004, 06:16 AM
You've gotta watch out with the History channel. They may know their ground stuff, but in the air, they need to do a lot more work.

I saw them call a P-40 an F4F Wildcat once, and also I've seen them mistake Corsairs for Stukas. This was not cool.

GR142_Astro
05-14-2004, 07:27 AM
Oh yeah, turn the sound down and watch the footage. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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adadaead
05-14-2004, 07:32 AM
i don't have cable yet, and is the history channel so inaccurate with planes, don't they take interviews with pilots and staff.



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Red_Russian13
05-14-2004, 10:34 AM
I watch a LOT of the History channel. I don't find them making too many mistakes, but I've seen a couple. I would say that they're accurate far more than they are inaccurate.

Red Russian

Chuck_Older
05-14-2004, 10:40 AM
Producing, editting, and airing a TV show is pretty complex. I used to have a friend who owned a video production company. No matter how accurate or inaccurate the information he received in was, if he made a mistake during editting, voiceovers from cut out scenes would show up on top of other scenes that shouldn't have them. Out of sequence shots, poorly timed editting (he repaired other editor's work sometimes, too), double scenes, missing scenes that made two other scenes make sense, out of sequence voiceovers...it wasn't easy.

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Zen--
05-14-2004, 03:39 PM
I don't write the history channel off, but they've shown a few programs that were so wacked in the voiceover/footage mismatch area I couldn't believe it, like showing IS-2 tanks and calling them kingtigers, showing those German Pz I propoganda films from the late 30s but calling them late war panthers and tigers, showing footage from the eastern front and calling it the battle of the bulge when they are clearly Russian and German tanks, not German and American/British and other simple mistakes like that.

They also tend to perpetuate common myths about modern equipment that are not true, like how western MBT's can see through fog, rain, smoke and dust with their digitally enhanced thermal sights which is complete bunk.

Good channel and I love to watch it, but take what you see with a grain of salt.

-Zen-

Red_Russian13
05-14-2004, 06:06 PM
Chuck, good point. Never thought of it that way.

As far as taking it with a grain of salt, I think that if you (general statement, not Zen in particular) want to get something out of it other than mindless TV, then you should at least know enough about the subject to know when something doesn't jive. Then, if you don't know the answer 100%, you can look it up. Or ask one of the many brains here. All I'm saying is be informed about your own limitations, that way you can sift the wheat from the chaff so to speak. I agree that they've been wrong a few times, and sometimes I look something up, but I don't know if I'd be so skeptical of everything on the channel as they've shown me that they're right more than not. Or am I mistaking your tone, Zen? It seems as though you're chastising...but I could be wrong. Forgive me if I am.

Red Russian

AdmiralWarlord
05-14-2004, 07:33 PM
Could someone explain to me why they advertize the P-51 as the "plane that won the war" ? I assume british/french/italian/soviet planes did nothing to affect the outcome?

BS87
05-14-2004, 07:58 PM
Yeah, i heard "P51 mustang, the plane that won the war" and immediatly changed the channel in disgust.

MOH_HEATER_
05-14-2004, 08:18 PM
I loved it!

Thanks Astro

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GR142_Astro
05-14-2004, 10:02 PM
Oh Farb, did they really say it won the war? I was just horsing around in my original post. I'm with Zen and Chuck. A, docs are not so easy to make unless the director and editor are both very passionate about the topic, and B, take the HC with a grain of salt. Don't change the channel in disgust. Lots of us know better, just smile and enjoy the scenery.

Heater, glad you got a kick out of it too. Some great gun cam. I saw some online behavior though. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif One poor 109 was gear down and trying to set it down in some farmer's field while his pursuer just kept on firing!

One narration oopsie: "The Mustang pilots would drain off their auxiliary tanks first, before switching to the main tanks." http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif

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Zacast51
05-14-2004, 10:22 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BS87:
Yeah, i heard "P51 mustang, the plane that won the war" and immediatly changed the channel in disgust.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Like it or not, she was an incredibly important plane for the western allies. Won the war? Well I wouldn't go that far.

Either way, you missed out on a great show with lots of excelent interviews with pilots.

BS87
05-14-2004, 10:31 PM
I had already seen it when it first aired.

heywooood
05-14-2004, 10:43 PM
Its funny - after my exposure to this flight sim and to the discussions here... I can better see the slanty slantedness of this program.. It was always there.. but I guess its like seeing the forest for the trees..
I still love the Mustang.. and these actual pilot accounts, but I see (and hear) what I didn't before.

LEXX_Luthor
05-14-2004, 10:50 PM
I know what you mean. When I was a little squish my dad bought me a magazine with articles on the following planes...

I~16
B~26
Pe~2
Ki~43
Yak~9
Me~210/410
Fairy Battle
Westland Lysander

I was dumbfounded. Being exposed to large articles with excellent pics made a deep impression on me. This opened a whole new world for me at about age 10, so I grew up here in USA knowing there was more to life out there than P~51. But I could never come out of the closet until I learned about FB last year (lousy ubi marketing)--never heard of IL2 game before that. For educational learning from USA Television, now I just watch Canadian/German LEXX (and I never went back to StarTrek after that either lol haha) http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/53.gif

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heywooood
05-14-2004, 11:02 PM
Lysanders... you have no idea how much I hope they are one day made flyable.. love the Lysander and Stinson Reliant SR5 too for that matter.

DONB3397
05-14-2004, 11:27 PM
Did anyone else stick around THC to see the program on B-25s in the China-Burma-India theater. "The Bridge Busters" carried some interesting stuff on the 490th Squadron (can't recall the Bomb Group) who flew Mitchells over the jungles of SE Asia to bomb bridges and hold the Jap advance back. I'd seen the Heavy Metal piece on the Mustange several times, but hadn't seen this one.

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arcadeace
05-14-2004, 11:42 PM
It was some of the best footage of P-51s I've seen, modern day to WWII. As a flight simmer I thoroughly enjoyed it. Clear footage of air to air combat and interviews with the pilots: boredom, fear, excitement and emphathy.

I especially took notice of the modern in-cockpit/flight views. I'll be getting TIR in the future but nothing can compare to the situational awareness these guys had, nothing.

Yeah it was advertized as the plane that won the war. An overstatement to say the least, marketing geared for American audience, obviously. It was subjective and biased, almost all about the Mustang.

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