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Tvrdi
04-28-2004, 04:24 PM
if you try to pul up the nose of the Focke Wulf u will go to stall (u have stall intention in steps)....anyway this plane stalls to easily, maneuver very poor...this also goes for P47..i know they were heavy planes, but in the game they stalls like big f ship in the air.....common..FWs were as good as Bfs were...even better in some aspects....


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Tvrdi
04-28-2004, 04:24 PM
if you try to pul up the nose of the Focke Wulf u will go to stall (u have stall intention in steps)....anyway this plane stalls to easily, maneuver very poor...this also goes for P47..i know they were heavy planes, but in the game they stalls like big f ship in the air.....common..FWs were as good as Bfs were...even better in some aspects....


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04-28-2004, 04:26 PM
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04-28-2004, 04:49 PM
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04-28-2004, 04:50 PM
I think Crazyivan said it best:

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04-28-2004, 04:51 PM
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VW-IceFire
04-28-2004, 05:49 PM
The 109 people may not like me but as the FW190 is right now its far superior to the Bf 109. You just have to fly it right.

Start with the FW190A-5 and once you feel comfortable in that plane then move onto the A-8/9 or the D-9. Ta 152H if you really feel special.

Big hint tho...its not a turning plane.

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VMF513_Sandman
04-28-2004, 05:50 PM
it wasnt a turn and burner fighter. in the words of oleg...'u try flying plane all wrong'
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p1ngu666
04-28-2004, 07:27 PM
be gentle
btw, real pilots would yank stick and end up facing upside down REAL quick
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robban75
04-28-2004, 11:36 PM
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The Fw 190 had a high wingloading and this can really be felt in the game. Just start up a mission in the QMB and see how the nose of the Fw 190 needs a considerable pull back on the stick just in order to stay horizontal at the speed given in the beginning of the QMB. No other plane in FB suffers as much as the 190 of high wingloading, and I have to say it feels quite realistic. On other planes I'm not so sure. Just be gentle on the stick and use combat flaps and you'll see that she can still turn well enough. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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starfighter1
04-29-2004, 01:02 AM
hi,
at ILA Berlin, http://www.ila-berlin.de/ila2004/home/index_e.cfm

,all FW-fans are looking forward to the first flight of www.flugwerk.de (http://www.flugwerk.de) FW 190 reconstruction.
I'm in contact with this company and I hope to get some more information by the pilot and the rebuilder.
Even to the real forward view from the point of real pilots eyes of hight.
Anyway: the turn rate is a 'little' to high and the stalling broke point not significant at all.
Ok by a FM in a PC-sim..not easy to programm because FB engine is not using a X-Plane FM modelling..

At all we need a update in FM and more accurate virtual pilots view(+ combat view)at this old camera view system since first programming of IL2 (cockpit forward view should be a higher design between 15-30%-higher compare to different planes) than in the running system.



<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tvrdi:
if you try to pul up the nose of the Focke Wulf u will go to stall (u have stall intention in steps)....anyway this plane stalls to easily, maneuver very poor...this also goes for P47..i know they were heavy planes, but in the game they stalls like big f ship in the air.....common..FWs were as good as Bfs were...even better in some aspects....


my english is bad but i dont care its not my language<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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jurinko
04-29-2004, 02:30 AM
u have to trim the nose up very much. dunno whether the real Fws flew so badly, stall and E bleed all over, read a book from Nowotny who flew 190 on East and from Dickfeld from West and well their experience was pretty different.
U have greater chance to survive in Fw, but applying only hit-and-run tactics. If any, even significantly inferior A/C looks at you, RUN!!!

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JAS_Gripen
04-29-2004, 03:48 AM
The main (and IMO about the only significant) problem with Fw-190A version "Maddox Games" is still its forward vision.

It can't be impossible to correct.

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Enofinu
04-29-2004, 08:02 AM
cc, cant even see horizon when flying low alt in level flight.

it does look good when using combat flaps, then FW really fly nose down.
which reminds me that it would be nice if FW could normally fly like that, when using Combat flaps, just delete the no flaps configuration and make new conf for landing flaps as flaps settigs jumps one position forward.
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Snow_Wolf_
04-29-2004, 08:10 AM
Start with the Fw-190 A4 it the easy one to fly. Once you get the hand of the A4 then move up, just remeber as the later series seem to be move heavier on feel and don't want to turn like the A4 does.

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faustnik
04-29-2004, 10:13 AM
Faustnik's official guide to flying the 190:

Go fast.

Don't turn.

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WWMaxGunz
04-29-2004, 10:54 AM
If you have the nose trimmed down for level speed then it's not going to help in pitching the nose up is it?

If you're going slow then don't expect to have a lot of force behind your maneuvers in that heavy plane.

Either way, you gotta be smooth throughout your pitch changes or you'll overcontrol and stall.

Don't pull more stick if you don't see the nose coming up or around. You either haven't started or you've reached the limit and need to back off a bit and come back onto it (aka stick pumping).

It is good to drop power starting into pitch change maneuvers. Having full power tractoring you straight ahead isn't going to add to your ability to change direction. Once the nose gets going along, then bring the power on smoothly.

If you're trimmed nose down for speed and then slowed down since... well don't blame the sim! If you jam on power from low to full about then, expect a probably stall and spin.


Neal

Hartmann.
04-29-2004, 03:09 PM
Well
with some rechlin tests in hands, i can see the Fw 190 A4 turn almost as good as the F4 turns. Also, some documents from RAF and Luftwaffe pilots says that the Fw 190 A could sometimes outturn a Spitfire using a barreel roll technique.

faustnik
04-29-2004, 03:11 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hartmann.:
Well
with some rechlin tests in hands, i can see the Fw 190 A4 turn almost as good as the F4 turns. Also, some documents from RAF and Luftwaffe pilots says that the Fw 190 A could sometimes outturn a Spitfire using a barreel roll technique.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Please posts the test you cite, I would love to see those.

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Adlerangriff
04-29-2004, 04:00 PM
The best idea I have ever read in these forums for the forward view situation was the person that made the edges of the canopy a little translucent. Does that mean see thru? I think so.

Anyway, a small portion of each edge was see thru. This is how your neck, head and eyes really work. You move slightly in unpteen directions to see what you want to see, not just 16-20 views in the game.

I enjoy the FW 100% more after my first season of VOW. Before I played virtual arenas, I did not want to know about the FW. After going in chronological order, now I see its a Stud Plane.

WWMaxGunz
04-30-2004, 02:02 AM
Hartmann, with respect, what are the conditions of the Rechlin observations? At the right speeds I would expect these things even at most alts.

With out turning the Spit using a barrel roll like technique, it sounds very much like a roll into a high yoyo with part vertical turn, gravity assist and wingover -- a valid e-fighting tactic for anything like the 190.


Neal

Fehler
04-30-2004, 04:06 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WWMaxGunz:
Hartmann, with respect, what are the conditions of the Rechlin observations? At the right speeds I would expect these things even at most alts.

With out turning the Spit using a barrel roll like technique, it sounds very much like a roll into a high yoyo with part vertical turn, gravity assist and wingover -- a valid e-fighting tactic for anything like the 190.


Neal<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Exactly Neal... If you guys want to turn inside a Spit, all you have to do is start with an energy advantage, wait for him to do his merri-go-round imitation, and hi yo-yo - wing over - dive. You will get a pretty good deflection shot. Do it more than three times and he will be at an equal energy state, and you will die. So, get good at shooting, and make your hits count.

The key to flying the 190 is to have superior energy, always. If you dont, you die. It's that simple. You can turn, dive, climb, or whatever, but never give up that advantage. If you start to, extend away and come back if you can. It may take you 10 minutes to position yourself in an advantageous state again, but all the time you wait, you can think of the reasons you lost your advantage.

The 190 is the best plane in the game if flown right. That doesnt mean it can do everything better than all other planes, that just means that you have to be patient, precise, and precautious. Then when in a position to attack you have to rip through your enemy like **** through a goose.

No other plane in FB flys like it, but then again, no other plane in FB flys like it!

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