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Fehler
08-02-2004, 12:34 AM
I will try and keep this as short as possible.

As it stands, Hyperlobby only allows one physical server to be listed on HL. There are quite a few very fast and smooth running servers that would love to host multiple games but cannot because HL does not support multiple ports from the same IP. Other software like All-Seeing-Eye allows for this provision, but as we all know, Hyperlobby is the most utilized utility to connect to game servers.

In my opinion, Jiri (The cereator of Hyperlobby) is not totally aware of the community's desires to have this feature added.

What this means for us (The end user): Fast running servers like Greatergreen and Warclouds have the ability (Bandwidth and computing power) to run multiple sessions of IL2. They choose not to (Most of the time) because the additional servers cannot be listed on Hyperlobby. Therefore the users (Us) are limited to a select few servers we can fly on and the planesets for that server. If Hyperlobby added this function, servers like Warclouds could host a 44-45 planeset server, an Eastern Front 41-43 server, and who knows, even a Bi-plane or Pacific server! Then, instead of waiting for a map to rotate in the hopes you get what planeset you want to fly, all you would have to do is pick the server that matches your desires!

This is important, especially for the future when Pacific Fighters hits the market. Servers like Greatergreen and Warclouds could add a great deal of variety to the community, but are limited (Currently) by the Hyperlobby software.

Jiri's utility is a wonderful product. It's a free service, and really a focal point for the community. I am sure that if he sees the amount of support a feature like this would have, he would be willing to amend his software. But we will have to convince Jiri that this is worth his time.

So, everyone that is interested, sign the petition with a *Bump* or affix your "X" at the bottom of the page. I will then forward this thread to Jiri.

Thanks for reading.

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Fehler
08-02-2004, 12:34 AM
I will try and keep this as short as possible.

As it stands, Hyperlobby only allows one physical server to be listed on HL. There are quite a few very fast and smooth running servers that would love to host multiple games but cannot because HL does not support multiple ports from the same IP. Other software like All-Seeing-Eye allows for this provision, but as we all know, Hyperlobby is the most utilized utility to connect to game servers.

In my opinion, Jiri (The cereator of Hyperlobby) is not totally aware of the community's desires to have this feature added.

What this means for us (The end user): Fast running servers like Greatergreen and Warclouds have the ability (Bandwidth and computing power) to run multiple sessions of IL2. They choose not to (Most of the time) because the additional servers cannot be listed on Hyperlobby. Therefore the users (Us) are limited to a select few servers we can fly on and the planesets for that server. If Hyperlobby added this function, servers like Warclouds could host a 44-45 planeset server, an Eastern Front 41-43 server, and who knows, even a Bi-plane or Pacific server! Then, instead of waiting for a map to rotate in the hopes you get what planeset you want to fly, all you would have to do is pick the server that matches your desires!

This is important, especially for the future when Pacific Fighters hits the market. Servers like Greatergreen and Warclouds could add a great deal of variety to the community, but are limited (Currently) by the Hyperlobby software.

Jiri's utility is a wonderful product. It's a free service, and really a focal point for the community. I am sure that if he sees the amount of support a feature like this would have, he would be willing to amend his software. But we will have to convince Jiri that this is worth his time.

So, everyone that is interested, sign the petition with a *Bump* or affix your "X" at the bottom of the page. I will then forward this thread to Jiri.

Thanks for reading.

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tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
08-02-2004, 01:10 AM
Well sounds like a good idea to me. doesn't Jiri have a web site of his own though? Hasn't somebody already tried contacting him? I thought I saw a thread here about this subject a while back saying that Jiri was in fact aware of the need for this feature?

Anyway I'll sign http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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TheGozr
08-02-2004, 01:26 AM
I've been telling this for ever now..
Yes it was between jiri and i..

Count me in , but jiri doesn't want to change it..

Should we go on strike? and use ASE http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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civildog
08-02-2004, 01:33 AM
If what TheGozer says is true it doesn't bode well, but for what it's worth I'll add my name to this, too.

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tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
08-02-2004, 02:12 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TheGozr:
Count me in , but jiri doesn't want to change it..
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hmm no that don't sound to good does it? In fact it sounds counter productive and self destructive.

Is it possible he has seen what happend to Oleg when he opend the doors to 'outside' influence and fears that once he bows to one user request he will be spammed constantly with new feature request ect?

Or could it be that he isn't intrested in sustaining HL and that he is quite happy to let it die off?

Could simply be that it is beyond the technical capabilities of the software.

Who knows? I will use which ever method I have access to and that's the long and short of it. If there are no servers on HL then I will be using ASE ( I find it a little sterile though ) instead of HL. But I did find HL a comfortable enviroment, mostly.

But it sounds like ASE will be gaining a few new customers.


I guess like the man said 'The times they are a changing' http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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WTE_Ibis
08-02-2004, 02:31 AM
I'll sign.Bump.

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TX-EcoDragon
08-02-2004, 02:50 AM
TX Squadron has an OC192 connection running that can host a multitude of sessions, provided of course that the provisions of HL allow it. We were just talking about how to find a way to make this work tonight. . .ideally we can have three FB servers running with a range of settings such that there are a few choices if people happen to enjoy our objective based dynamic campaign style online maps but not our primary settings or planesets, most of our bandwidth and CPU cycles are just going towards the idle process (95-99% in fact).

In short, I hereby sign 18 names on behalf of TX Squadron ;-)

S!
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S.h.r.i.k.e
08-02-2004, 06:01 AM
That would be a nice feature. Bump

Sturm_Williger
08-02-2004, 06:02 AM
I'll add my bumpage!

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609IAP_Recon
08-02-2004, 06:04 AM
would be nice.

jiri does a great job with HL, very happy to have this great app to use.

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p1ngu666
08-02-2004, 06:43 AM
count me in http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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wojtek_m
08-02-2004, 06:46 AM
I fully support the idea! Look, there is nobody on the new WarClouds eastern front server, because it is not listed... what a shame.

KGr.HH-Sunburst
08-02-2004, 06:47 AM
BUMPzzzzzzz

very good idea

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08-02-2004, 07:28 AM
check!

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wayno7777
08-02-2004, 07:42 AM
Makes sense to me , Bump!

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[Gypsy]
08-02-2004, 07:43 AM
Add my name to the this list...

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GR142_Astro
08-02-2004, 07:49 AM
Thanks for posting this Fehler.

Signed and Bump!

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westcoastphil
08-02-2004, 08:02 AM
Copy that!!

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wojtek_m
08-02-2004, 09:59 AM
Bump

LeadSpitter_
08-02-2004, 10:54 AM
I agree with you, we really need a way to see servers like ASE does even if they are not hosted on hl and the correct player ammounts. Also allowing for users to host multiple servers on HL.

I do understand why hes doesnt, HL is completely free. ASE is good but you have to pay gamespy and ubi are spyware mass advertising annoying bs which they make money from advertising. there also has to be a way to make HL less resource demanding and better looking like ASE but with chat window at the bottom. Dont forget jiris doing this out of his own pocket and his own time and hes beating out ubis client and gamespy in ammount of online players for il2fb.

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crazyivan1970
08-02-2004, 10:59 AM
Anyone started the same thing at HL forums?

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Ki_Rin
08-02-2004, 11:13 AM
Dunno where things would be if not for Jiri way back when Janes combat.net went tits up

Ok, maybe it doesnt look as good as ASE, not that I know, Ive never seen it, only another's opinion...I hope how it looks doesn't have ANY bearing on wither or not one would play there...sheesh!

The important thing is, of course the multi servers..be nicec if Jiri made accomodation for it, but if ot, what can yua do? after all, it IS free and dont have to put up with any adverts or........or just any ****, really

Could some sort of stop-gap be made, perhaps to post the IPs of these alternate servers both here in FB forum, sticky, and also at HL forum?...at least then some ppl might start to use these other servers

Or maybe he can post these IPs on his website, with a link to them direct from a button in HL, labeled "for additional servers"...something like that http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/sonar.gif

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Rebel_Yell_21
08-02-2004, 11:18 AM
Because
Using
Multiple
Physical servers wouldn't suck.

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JG7_Rall
08-02-2004, 11:35 AM
Bump!

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T_O_A_D
08-02-2004, 11:37 AM
Sure would be nice but read from the man here.
Jiri (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=23110283&m=465101155&r=699102355#699102355)

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Diablo310th
08-02-2004, 12:29 PM
I'll add my John Doe to it.

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Fehler
08-02-2004, 06:28 PM
All of these are very interesting points, and I know Jiri has been asked this question before by some server operators.

That's why I started this thread, to give (Us) the community his input. Perhaps he has never looked at this "Feature" from our position.

Thanks again!

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TheGozr
08-03-2004, 02:26 AM
many of us are putting servers with just for the good sake and no money involved and a lots of time spent on organising them as well

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ThanasisK
08-03-2004, 02:59 AM
X

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
08-03-2004, 07:56 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by T_O_A_D:
Sure would be nice but read from the man here.
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=23110283&m=465101155&r=699102355#699102355

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=ugtpc&s=400102
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http://home.mchsi.com/~131st_vfw/T_O_A_D.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yup figured as much.

Guess its time for another programer to step up to the plate?

If you really want to host multi servers then why not try and get sticky thread here? And advertise the ip of the other servers there?

If folk need it then I am sure they will use it?

You could always advertise your other server ip's in the mission brief of the server that IS hosting on Hyper lobby, could'nt you ?

I may be missing something here but I see only marginal weekend activity on the servers of folk who already host via hyper lobby. And it Seems to me that although it would be a nice idea to have more than one server, they are just not getting the kinda traffic that would justify a host going to this kind of effort as yet?

Maybe you are thinking that when pacific /bob comes out you would like to host multiple servers for each of these genere's?

But if that is the case I suspect the traffic on these will be scatterd at best or one or two will lose clients to the other?

I understand that those of you that have gone to through the effort to get a dedicated server host, may have had no option but to hire a machine that is capable of hosting more than one game. But you have to ask yourself 'has there been enough activity on my existing session to warrant the requirement for a second host?'

Now this subject may possibly have also have arisen from requests to make your current sessions more varried/easier/specific/real/arcade/historical etc?

But usually I find one comment asking about this kinda thing. Do you really want to go through all that effort just to satisfy one individuals request who probably only used your server once anyway and may at best be only a semi frequent visitor?

Finally is this just not really server hosts getting PO'd cos they aint getting enough traffic on their server to justify the effort they are going to ??

Either way it doesnt sound like Jiri is getting enough financial gratification to justify him putting any more real effort into this request and maybe the only way you guys will get him to do it will be to dig into your pockets and PAY him or another programer to do it ?

Of coourse then you would probably want some kind of financial reward yourselves (and I wouldn't blame you) and that would mean a slow migration to a subscription system. Which I think most of us here are already pretty , how shall I say it , hostile too ?

Not sure if my comments are fully on target here but I thought I would play devil's advocate for a bit.

If I have missed the point then just consider this as a long winded BUMP.

Ps Sorry Ki_rin seems I more or less repeated what you said doh http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/1072.gif

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[This message was edited by tHeBaLrOgRoCkS on Tue August 03 2004 at 08:42 AM.]

TheGozr
08-03-2004, 08:41 AM
I heard there is this other pilots who did a similare software but went in conflict with Jiri. I asked him . weird stuff. it's good to have the choice of servers, some wants US vs axis and others russ vs axis etc....

Time to change? maybe, time to find an other programer who can dedicate just a bit of time to answer ours questions?

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Osirisx9
08-03-2004, 09:10 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TheGozr:
I heard there is this other pilots who did a similare software but went in conflict with Jiri. I asked him . weird stuff. it's good to have the choice of servers, some wants US vs axis and others russ vs axis etc....

Time to change? maybe, time to find an other programer who can dedicate just a bit of time to answer ours questions?

-GOZR
http://www.french.themotorhead.com/forgotten-battles/images/IOCompetition.jpg &lt;--http://www.french.themotorhead.com/forgotten-battles/<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Agreed. We are seriously limited by this one server thing in HL. Thats why Warbirds Birds of Prey went through the trouble to set up our own website and interface around this problem. Our goal is to do this without making our clients download and install extra software in order to join our sessions. I'm pretty sure that there are other servers out there like Warbirds Birds Of Prey that can host at least 30 sessions from one box. The lack of competition means the lack of inovation. ASE seems like the only program in use that can solve this problem and even when the Warbirds Birds of Prey is ready to officially go into action our serves will be visible on ASE too.

RAF238thOsiris

Matz0r
08-03-2004, 09:23 AM
If hyperlobby was opensource, this wouldn't be a problem. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
08-03-2004, 09:35 AM
Well it seems the only thing missing from ASE that hyperlobby has is a CHAT room ?

May be a they would consider incorporating one? Potential resource hog though I think ?

But as Osirix an Ki_rin more or less imply all that is really needed is a Web site / Board that provides some means for players to hook up.

May be a Hosting website is what is needed?

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[This message was edited by tHeBaLrOgRoCkS on Tue August 03 2004 at 08:44 AM.]

JG52-6High
08-03-2004, 11:43 AM
BIG Bump!

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Dash_C.
08-03-2004, 04:24 PM
Why not...

JG52-6High
08-04-2004, 01:07 PM
Getting posts about nobody being there (warclouds), so BUMP this, Guys, way to the top!!!

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JG27_Hyper
08-04-2004, 01:10 PM
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Fehler
08-04-2004, 03:28 PM
Woohoo! That is EXACTLY what is needed!

Many many thanks!

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Atomic_Marten
08-04-2004, 03:36 PM
Although this subject is quite unfamiliar to me(hosting - it is abstract area to me due to my 56k), I see that ur intentions are good so u have my *bump*.

*bzt?*

VFS-22_SPaRX
08-04-2004, 05:39 PM
Well that is a pleasent looking Screenshot there Jiri. A big ole S~ to you bud. I am sure the entire community will back me up when i say Thank You for adding in this options for dedicated servers. If you need any help testing out this new feature, please do not hesitate to contact me. I know my way around dedicated servers pretty well as i am sure you can tell. So if you need any help at all, drop me and email sparx at vfs-22.net and i will be more then happy to do all i can to help out. Again S~

SPaRX

JG27_Hyper
09-25-2004, 09:49 AM
bump

Multiserver feature is done in version 3.7.74 http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

tHeBaLrOgRoCkS
09-25-2004, 10:14 AM
Hey nice one man thank you http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Tully__
09-25-2004, 10:18 AM
I see several of the regular good servers are already making use of it http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

VFS-22_SPaRX
09-25-2004, 01:08 PM
Many thanks Jiri. Your new HL version is topnotch. Thanks for listening to us, we do appreciate it.

S!

SPaRX

TX-EcoDragon
09-25-2004, 07:10 PM
Now would be an appropriate time to send 18 big S!'s to you on behalf of TX Squadron!!

Thanks for the effort and continued support!!!