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XyZspineZyX
08-17-2003, 02:27 PM
It seems that every time i get a 109 on my tail in my Jug with roughly the same E state or slightly lower, i get my butt chewed and cannot seem to shake him. I cant out manuver him nor can i outclimb him. about the only thing i can think of doing is a high speed dive then a sharp turn because being a 109 driver for most my life ive learned that the 109s controls are sluggish at high speed. any tips?

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Message Edited on 08/17/0309:28AM by partyanima

XyZspineZyX
08-17-2003, 02:27 PM
It seems that every time i get a 109 on my tail in my Jug with roughly the same E state or slightly lower, i get my butt chewed and cannot seem to shake him. I cant out manuver him nor can i outclimb him. about the only thing i can think of doing is a high speed dive then a sharp turn because being a 109 driver for most my life ive learned that the 109s controls are sluggish at high speed. any tips?

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Message Edited on 08/17/0309:28AM by partyanima

XyZspineZyX
08-17-2003, 02:53 PM
At that point your allready in a jam, as you have lost your birds advantages, and are exactly where a 109 has his best chance of killing you.

At that point your best option is dive, you will accelerate faster, and hold your speed longer. You should have no problem just flying away. Do not turn back until he has givin up, or you are certain that when you turn around you will still have negated any advantage he had. Common mistake is to when people see tracers flying by, they panic and start evasive turns. Those turns bleed speed, let your oponent cut the angle, and throw your only chance of surviving right out the window. Be confident in your aircraft(p47). "know" you can dive away, "know" that he will start slowing down much quicker, "know" that he cant floor his engine as long as you without overheating. Dont panic when you see tracers, most of the time, they are ment to frighten people into turning. Even if you take a few hits, a p47 can take it. dont panic, just fly away

do not "engage" a 109 with no room below you, unless you are bouncing him/have an altitude/or situational advantage.

what you lack in turn rate, you make up for in dictating when leave a fight.

- It seems that every time i get a 109 on my tail in
- my Jug with roughly the same E state or slightly
- lower, i get my butt chewed and cannot seem to shake
- him. I cant out manuver him nor can i outclimb him.
- about the only thing i can think of doing is a high
- speed dive then a sharp turn because being a 109
- driver for most my life ive learned that the 109s
- controls are sluggish at high speed. any tips?



Message Edited on 08/17/0302:02PM by Davinci..

XyZspineZyX
08-17-2003, 03:15 PM
Don't bother with the sharp turns after the high-speed dives because a veteran 109 driver will shoot that P-47 right out from under you, especially if he is packing the MK108 in the nose.

Remember, you currently have no roll or turn advantage over the 109. Every turn begins with====> a roll. The Jugs roll is currently horrendous and therefore it's initial turn rate is porked as well.

The Jug's saving grace currently is it's high dive speed, good energy retention following a high-speed dive, and good zoom climb.

The P-47 is also overmodelled in the WEP department and can run water injection for longer than the 10 minutes that it was limited to historically.



I would recommend a high/low yo-yo extension, especially if you are on the deck with one of those evil Germans behind you. Try to extend in a linear fashion(as much as possible) and stay as fast as you possibly can. Once you have put enough distance(if you can at all) between yourself and the 109 then begin to grab altitude.


1. Altitude is one of your best friends. Be very selfish with it. In a P-47, resist the temptation to go low in a multi-plane environment. If you absolutely must, dive at high speed and then zoom climb back up to altitude.

2. Speed is your friend. A slow P-47 = VLT (very large target).

3. Never, ever allow a 109 or 190 to get an altitude or energy advantage on you.

4. Never, ever get into a slow fight with a 109 or a 190.


Regards,

FW190fan
Commanding Officer - VJG/26 Screaming Luft-Chickens




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XyZspineZyX
08-17-2003, 03:24 PM
FW190fan,

You are on report vor aiding ze enemy, report to your quarterz and avait furzer inzstructions!

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But seriously what he said, but the new 190 FM may make the dive/extending tactic less effective. 190s accelerate faster now, and seem to hold speed easier as long as they don't manuever.

I haven't battled any P47s online post-patch so this is solely based on the changes I've observed in the 190 FM. Oh and the Dora climbs like a bat outta hell /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif .

Roy Baty
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