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MackZ
07-02-2004, 10:41 AM
As a FB IL-2 veteran, I'm getting very excited about the prospects of PF. I however have one burning question: to what extent will Dutch campaigns be treated (if at all)? Most people don't even know about their involvement in the Pacific Theater and it would be a shame for them to go unnoticed in a genre that has excelled time and time again at profiling those who have been forgotten in WWII. Just wondering. I know this has probably been asked before, it's just that I'm curious. I can't wait to see the finished product in November (fingers crossed). Thanks!

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MackZ
07-02-2004, 10:41 AM
As a FB IL-2 veteran, I'm getting very excited about the prospects of PF. I however have one burning question: to what extent will Dutch campaigns be treated (if at all)? Most people don't even know about their involvement in the Pacific Theater and it would be a shame for them to go unnoticed in a genre that has excelled time and time again at profiling those who have been forgotten in WWII. Just wondering. I know this has probably been asked before, it's just that I'm curious. I can't wait to see the finished product in November (fingers crossed). Thanks!

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MetalG.
07-02-2004, 11:41 AM
I sure hope a Dutch campaign will be included.
With a Dutch speechpack, ofcourse http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Sakai9745
07-02-2004, 04:25 PM
I certainly hope so. If for nothing else, the air battle that took place on Feb 19th, 1942 over Surabaya, where 23 Zeros took on "50-60 P-36s, P-40s, and Buffalos" flown by Dutch, American, and British pilots in a large, mesy furball.

From Samurai, Chapter 10:

"We reached Surabaya at about 11:30 AM, flying at 16.000 ft. The enemy force anticipating our arrival was unprecedented. At least 50 Allied fighters flying at about 10,000 ft., maintained a large counter-clockwise sweeping over the city. The enemy planes extended in a long line, composed of three waves of V groups which outnumbered us by more than two to one...

Sighting our force, the Allied fighters broke off their circular movements and at full speed closed toward us... Less than a minute later, the orderly formations disintegrated into a wild swirling fight."

Al - SF, Calif

"Defense Dept regrets to inform you that your sons are dead cause they were stupid."

MetalG.
07-02-2004, 05:30 PM
Yep, I've got Sakai's "Samurai" book and there are a number of other fights Sakai describes where Dutch fighters are involved in the fighting. February 19th being the most remarkable because of the size of the Allied flight awaiting the Japanese.

Flydutch
07-02-2004, 05:55 PM
The Former colony 'the Dutch East Indies' was strategic the most important and wanted target for the Imperial Japanese expansion plans, since it contained the oil their armada needed to sail or fly with!
Aside from that it produced a lot of tropical timber (My Grandfather worked for the 'Staats Bosbeheer' the state Wood department)
And ofcourse hard needed rice for the troops the Japanese islands them self have always had a history of to many inhabbitants to litle resources and food.
The Allies did their best to stop the Japanese from getting their hands on this essential target, a allied armada a.o.Dutch & English probaly Australian Navy fought to no avail to stop the Japanese.
Ofcourse it would be strange if at least New Guinea would not be mapped from there Dutch Indies Airforce fought Australia within the RAAF and togheter with the USAAF against the ocupation.

a lot of A/C the Dutch used are already modeled like The B-25 the Brewster Buffalo the P-40 the Curtis Hawk 75 andthe P-51.
Interesting A/C to be modeled would be the beautiful floatplane Dornier 24 (Used by the Dutch Navy)
My Grandmother told me that the distances in the Greatest argpelagos on this world are so fast that it took months after capitulation for the allies to arrive in force, in between the former prison guards (Who existed mostly out of Koreans in the lower ranks)had to protect their former captives against the indigenous Indoneseans who would seaze their chance and get rid of the colonist!

RAC_Pips
07-02-2004, 09:07 PM
The whole Malaya and Dutch East Indies Campaign is rich in action and history.

Everyone is represented in this campaign... the IJAAF, IJNAF, RAAF, RAF, US and Dutch. It's got land battles, invasions, sea battles, air/sea action, bombing raids, fighter raids. The works.

If done properly I think it could be the most interesting campaign of the game. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

CPS_Shadow
07-02-2004, 09:53 PM
Look forwards to flying in the Netherlands East Indies Air Force. Hope it makes it into the game.

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jeroen_R90S
07-04-2004, 12:11 PM
*bump* for Dutch East Indies!

Jeroen

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Ah you LaGG, my lightened LaGG,
why don't you wish to fly?
Over the wild Black Sea water
your cockpit you made me leave.

Jieitai_Tsunami
07-06-2004, 02:58 PM
I've been looking into British and Dutch participation around 1941. There are some very nice skins by Tchaika

http://www.il2skins.com/skins/screenshots/8680.jpg

http://www.il2skins.com/?action=display&skinid=8680

But I wonder who would fancy flying Buffalo vs Zero hehe http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif.

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Ruy Horta
07-06-2004, 03:14 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MackZ:
As a FB IL-2 veteran, I'm getting very excited about the prospects of PF. I however have one burning question: to what extent will Dutch campaigns be treated (if at all)?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Judging from past projects in IL2/FB/AEP all it takes is a couple of dedicated guys who take up the challenge.

1. OOBs
2. Campaign history
3. Unit histories
4. skins
5. voice pack
6. medals

If someone is willing to pull the project, we could start with a website and build from there.

(half dutch here...Amsterdammer living in Amstelveen http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif )

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Ruy Horta

GerritJ9
07-07-2004, 02:33 AM
I fly the B239 (in KNIL colours of course!) against the A6M2; results are mixed. One-on one in QMB, I usually end up with some damage but without any luck against the A6M2. Four against four, I usually can shoot one A6M2 down, suffer little or no damage in return. Initial height makes little difference. A6M2 can outturn and outclimb B239, but B239 can easily outdive A6M2. Of course, the majority of KNIL Buffs had a 1200 hp engine rather than the 239's 950 hp, so results may be better in PF if the team add the 1200 hp Dutch version http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

MetalG.
07-07-2004, 05:00 AM
If I recall correctly the Dutch version was also heavier than the finnish Brewster so it may not be so much easier Gerrit.. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

bazzaah2
07-07-2004, 07:03 AM
that'd be fun - a good angle on the Pacific war.

Hope they include a Dutch oven, for cooking like.

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Crashing online as :FI:SpinyNorman

grist
07-07-2004, 10:59 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RAC_Pips:
The whole Malaya and Dutch East Indies Campaign is rich in action and history.

Everyone is represented in this campaign... the IJAAF, IJNAF, RAAF, RAF, US and Dutch. It's got land battles, invasions, sea battles, air/sea action, bombing raids, fighter raids. The works.

If done properly I think it could be the most interesting campaign of the game. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Sounds like fantastic fun! I hope it is in the game.

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MackZ
07-07-2004, 12:34 PM
Wow! I'm so pleased by such enthusiastic responses! I really hope a Dutch campaign makes it into PF. If it doesn't, I would be willing to help somebody out if this project were to become a third party venture. I look forward to hearing and seeing more in the near future. Thanks!

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Jeronimo83
07-07-2004, 04:31 PM
Well at least I'm building the Curtiss CW-21B:

http://www.netwings.org/dcforum/DCForumID43/1109.html

Personally, I'll do as much as I can to include the Dutch in a decent way.

Jeronimo83
07-07-2004, 04:31 PM
Well at least I'm building the Curtiss CW-21B:

http://www.netwings.org/dcforum/DCForumID43/1109.html

Personally, I'll do as much as I can to include the Dutch in a decent way.

Capt._Tenneal
07-07-2004, 07:53 PM
This is one Yank that's saying "hear hear for the Dutch to be included in PF !". Hopefully with their own campaign and folder with ranks, medals , and speechpacks.

You can't have the ABDA air forces without the Dutch.