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faustnik
04-15-2004, 01:33 PM
Most of the posts here deal with the Ki-84, Shinden, Hellcat or even the Bearcat. The most important battles of the Pacific War were fought with the F4F, P-40, SBD, Ki-43, A6M2 and the B5N. Is anyone else interested in these? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

I'm very interested in seeing what the DM of the tough little F4F will be like. Will it make up for its lack of maneuverability compared to the Zero?

How will the Ki-43 handle a .50 round? Will its low top speed make it easy prey for a B&Z flown P-40?

Hellcats vs. Shindens will be fun but, it's the bread and butter matchups of the Zero and Wildcat that matter most. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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faustnik
04-15-2004, 01:33 PM
Most of the posts here deal with the Ki-84, Shinden, Hellcat or even the Bearcat. The most important battles of the Pacific War were fought with the F4F, P-40, SBD, Ki-43, A6M2 and the B5N. Is anyone else interested in these? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

I'm very interested in seeing what the DM of the tough little F4F will be like. Will it make up for its lack of maneuverability compared to the Zero?

How will the Ki-43 handle a .50 round? Will its low top speed make it easy prey for a B&Z flown P-40?

Hellcats vs. Shindens will be fun but, it's the bread and butter matchups of the Zero and Wildcat that matter most. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Chuck_Older
04-15-2004, 01:39 PM
I am the one calling for an F3F even though the US wasn't using it during the war...

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clint-ruin
04-15-2004, 01:41 PM
Definitely more looking forward to the P-40b and Ki-43 and p-400 [and Boomerang!] than any of the superplanes. There's a huge crap planes following, it's just quieter and more dignified :>

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04-15-2004, 01:42 PM
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Capt._Tenneal
04-15-2004, 01:45 PM
True. A regular gamer probably is only slightly familiar with Hayate's, Shiden's, Raiden's, Toryu's, whatever... but when it comes to WW II pacific, he's bound to recognize the Zero. Why do you think the official press release termed the Zero "legendary" ?

But I guess there's room for everybody. People are understandably excited about the late war planes because this is the first time they might get to fly or fight them in a Pacific sim.

DuxCorvan
04-15-2004, 02:11 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
I am the one calling for an F3F even though the US wasn't using it during the war...

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Non such! On December 7th they were being transferred to training sqns., but there were still 180 on the Navy and Marine inventory!

Other early ones I'll miss:

P-26 Peashooter: They equipped the 31st Sqn of the 37th PG when Pearl Harbor.

P-35: They equipped the 34th PS based near Manila, which saw action till extinction.

P-36 and Buffalos: Yes, they're in game, but there should be flyable American proper versions... Buffalos sang their swan song in Midway, and there were several P-36s above Pearl Harbor...

SBCs...

P-43s, B-10s and B-18s...


All these planes, along with the relatively new F4Fs and P-40s supported the American war effort during the darkest hours of Japanese expansion, in the first stage of Pacific war. They fought valiantly against all odds, and should not be completely ignored...

P.S.: And of course, japanese counterparts, such as A5M Claude and Ki-27 Nate...

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lbhskier37
04-15-2004, 02:12 PM
p-400 is gonna be fun, finally I will have a descent cannon in the nose, not that stupid grenade launcher its got now!

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Cage50
04-15-2004, 02:44 PM
I like time specific flyin', including dogfight servers. So I look forward to what ever was flying at the time of the mission.
If available, you'll see me in these:
F2A-3 Buffalo
F4F-4 Wildcat
F6F-3 Hellcat
F4U-1D Corsair
SBD-3 Dauntless
TBF-1 Avenger
I believe the Buffalo is also reported to have strafed a Japanese sub while on patrols with VF-2 before they recieved the F4F.

Chuck_Older
04-15-2004, 03:06 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DuxCorvan:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
I am the one calling for an F3F even though the US wasn't using it during the war...

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Non such! On December 7th they were being transferred to training sqns., but there were still 180 on the Navy and Marine inventory!

Other early ones I'll miss:

P-26 Peashooter: They equipped the 31st Sqn of the 37th PG when Pearl Harbor.

P-35: They equipped the 34th PS based near Manila, which saw action till extinction.

P-36 and Buffalos: Yes, they're in game, but there should be flyable American proper versions... Buffalos sang their swan song in Midway, and there were several P-36s above Pearl Harbor...

SBCs...

P-43s, B-10s and B-18s...


All these planes, along with the relatively new F4Fs and P-40s supported the American war effort during the darkest hours of Japanese expansion, in the first stage of Pacific war. They fought valiantly against all odds, and should not be completely ignored...

P.S.: And of course, japanese counterparts, such as A5M Claude and Ki-27 Nate...

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Well, yes, but it wasn't in fighter operations in any of the actual battles is what I'm getting at. I'm not counting on being able to have a trainer campaign http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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Gunner_361st
04-15-2004, 03:20 PM
I am all for the workhorses of the Pacific theater receiving the most modeling, attention, and gameplay.

Unfortunately, it seems a lot of online players seek instant gratification with the most advanced planes available.

It is funny really, you'll find yourself appreciating the abilities of late-war planes far more when you have lots of time flying older, less-capable models.

I appreciate any airplanes that Oleg, Luthier, and their teams add along with any 3rd party modeler work, and will take is what is offered to me.

Its just disappointing that the more vocal, seemingly more dominant part of the online crowd asks for the best and brightest rather than the airplanes that really made a difference in the war.

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olaleier
04-15-2004, 03:37 PM
As a mainly offline player, I have to say two things:


1. Diversity is the mother of enjoyment.

2. The Hellcat won the war.


That is all.

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Cage50
04-15-2004, 03:42 PM
Agree...definetly will enjoy all aircraft that make it into and added to PacFight. I'm sure I will log plenty of time in each model available.

WereSnowleopard
04-15-2004, 04:20 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by faustnik:
How will the Ki-43 handle a .50 round? Will its low top speed make it easy prey for a B&Z flown P-40?

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Wait Wait Wait....until you fly P-40 against Ki-44. I saw an article that JAAF General almost had send Sqd of Ki-44 for escort duty against Flying Tiger AVG but not have enough fuel to fly that distance.

GK.
04-15-2004, 04:29 PM
i wonder how hard it will be to get kills with only 2 7.7s?

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faustnik
04-15-2004, 04:37 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GK.:
i wonder how hard it will be to get kills with only 2 7.7s?
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Only the Ki-43a, of which less than 50 were built, had the two 7.7mm mg armament. The Ki-43b, also less than 50 built, had one 7.7mm and one 12.7mm. The rest had two 12.7mm.

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Capt._Tenneal
04-15-2004, 06:14 PM
So the Ki-43 line will be the PF equivalent of the MiG-3s ?

Speaking of armaments, of course.

WereSnowleopard
04-15-2004, 07:00 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Capt._Tenneal:
So the Ki-43 line will be the PF equivalent of the MiG-3s ?

Speaking of armaments, of course.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No, It will be more like to Ki-44. Ki-43 can turn inside of all planes at Russian front.

Giganoni
04-15-2004, 07:02 PM
You guys might be surprised how well the Ki-43 will do, especially the Ki-43 II if we get it. That little plane had some good pilot armor (stronger than a P51B for example, or as good as a Ki-84! and the Ki-43 II came out in 42!) it also had self sealing fuel tanks..and this is in 42 still. Wasn't it just as or more manuverable than the Zero? It was smaller than the Zero. So if a Ki-43 II does come with PF, don't go whining on the boards because it takes more damage than a Zero, it should. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

WereSnowleopard
04-15-2004, 07:05 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by faustnik:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GK.:
i wonder how hard it will be to get kills with only 2 7.7s?
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Only the Ki-43a, of which less than 50 were built, had the two 7.7mm mg armament. The Ki-43b, also less than 50 built, had one 7.7mm and one 12.7mm. The rest had two 12.7mm.

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Is anyone know that pilot of Ki-43 shot 3 B-24 down in single sortie? I do.

Also Pilots of Me-109E/F and early G will said same thing about light machine guns as still shot some planes down even cannon jammed sometime.

VW-IceFire
04-15-2004, 07:07 PM
Probably the first campaign I will fly will be Wildcats off the deck of the Enterprise into the Battle of Midway.

So not an uberplane to begin with. I want to work my way to Hellcat or Corsair http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Bull_dog_
04-15-2004, 07:14 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by lbhskier37:
p-400 is gonna be fun, finally I will have a descent cannon in the nose, not that stupid grenade launcher its got now!

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Had to stop laughing at this one, but I think you're right...those 37 mm cannons ARE grenade launchers...that is why I can't hit anything with them!

I'm really looking forward to the P-400 too. That plane should be slightly faster than the A6M2 but climb like a dog and dive reasonably with a fairly good rate of roll. It will be very challenging to fly and get kills, but I'll bet a good pilot will do so if it is modelled right.

Having PF has got me thinking how history would have been written differently if the USAAF hadn't neutered the P-39. I remember reading that it was to have a supercharger and back in 1940, they were looking at top speeds around 380mph...then bad stuff started happening and poof! American pilots had the infamous "Iron Dog". If that aircraft had been a high altitude 380mph aircraft, would the Mustang ever have been developed? or would the US pilots all been flying P-63's? I think alot of things would be different because Bell made the N and Q models into winners but the US had already labeled the airplane as junk.

Even today as I read americans post about the N or the Q being overmodelled it reminds me how much the "iron dog" tarnished the reputation of the P-39. I have books that put the top speed of a P-39N @ 399mph at something like 12,000 ft. with a climb rate something like a Bf-109F! This is incredible...and If those statistics were true, then I would say the N model in FB 1.0 was closer to the real aircraft than the one we have now.


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Giganoni
04-15-2004, 07:21 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WereSnowleopard:
Is anyone know that pilot of Ki-43 shot 3 B-24 down in single sortie? I do.

Also Pilots of Me-109E/F and early G will said same thing about light machine guns as still shot some planes down even cannon jammed sometime.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah Anabuki Satoru over Ragoon. If the story is true he also shot down a P-38 in that mission...now before people cry foul, he shot it down because he had the advantage of surprise. His Ki-43 "Kimikaze" (after his wife) had the 2 .5 cals.

WereSnowleopard
04-15-2004, 08:14 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Giganoni:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WereSnowleopard:
Is anyone know that pilot of Ki-43 shot 3 B-24 down in single sortie? I do.

Also Pilots of Me-109E/F and early G will said same thing about light machine guns as still shot some planes down even cannon jammed sometime.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah Anabuki Satoru over Ragoon. If the story is true he also shot down a P-38 in that mission...now before people cry foul, he shot it down because he had the advantage of surprise. His Ki-43 "Kimikaze" (after his wife) had the 2 .5 cals.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, you are right. Okay, let me post it so everyone can read it. Like many other aces, Anabuki Satoru felt attraction for aviation since his early years. So, he entered in the Youth Preparatory Flight Program of the Japanese Army when he was still a teenager, and in 1938, at the age of 17, he passed the test of the Army Aviation School in Tokyo. After some more training, in March 1941 began his first duty tour in Formosa, where he was when the Japanese Navy attacked Pearl Harbour on December 7 1941.

That very day Sgt Anabuki flew combat sorties over the Philippines and met a lone B-17D, but due to he was flying an almost obsolete and very slightly armed Ki-27, he couldn't shot the bomber down, despite he ran out of ammo. But he had his chance on December 22 1941, when during a combat against USAAF Kittyhawks of the 17th Squadron over Lingayen Gulf, he managed to shot one P-40E down. That was the first victory out of 51 he would be credited with along WW2. Still flying the obsolete Ki-27, Anabuki shot down two P-40s on February 9 1942, and few months later his unit was sent home to be re-equipped with the much more powerfull Ki-43 Hayabusa.

His new destination was Mingaladon airbase in Rangoon outskirsts, Burma. Was there where he scored his greatest succeses against the Allied aircraft. On December 24 1942 the Japanese pilots in Mingaladon should scramble fast because the sudden raid of British Hurricanes against the airfield. During the take off, the nearby blast of a bomb caused a malfunction in the landing gear of this Ki-43, and Anabuki was forced to scramble with his landing gear extended. Despite that, Sgt Anabuki could fight, and he did it very well: three Hurricanes fell under the fire of his machineguns, including the one flown by Pilot Officer C. D. Fergusson.

Anabuki's greatest deed happened on October 8 1943, when at 12:10 hs four Hayabusas (one of them flown by Sgt Anabuki) taxied in Mingaladon airstrip to take off and intercepte several B-24s which were raiding against a Japanese convoy in Rangoon harbour. However, a fouled spark plug caused that Anabuki should delay his take off during 5 minutes. When he finally could scramble, was unable to find his three buddies and a second flight of four Ki-43s (which were also tasked to intercepte the bombers) because of the haze. Suddenly, when he got out of the hazy area, saw his target: 11 B-24s together with two escorting P-38s, which apparently did not notice him. Anabuki realized that -due to the hazy weather- none of his comrades had found the enemy and that he was completely alone. But Anabuki also noticed that he was in a perfect attack position against both the enemy fighters and bombers, and the surprise factor was at his side. Being a hunter by nature, Anabuki decided to take that chance despite the odds were against him.

So, Anabuki choose one of the unaware Lightnings, put it in the gunsight of his Ki-43 Hayabusa and badly shot it up (Anabuki saw the incendaries exploding around the P-38's cockpit), breaking his attack and diving only when he almost collide the American plane. As he turned to repeat his attack, saw the P-38 trying a loop while leaving a trail of black smoke. Suddenly the P-38 stalled and went downwards, crashing near Yangon river. Then Anabuki jumped the P-38 leader, but his adversary was an experienced pilot because it immediatelly rolled and steeply dove. Knowing that his Ki-43 Hayabusa was excellent in dogfighting and could out-turn the P-38, but could not compete with the Lightning in dive and climb rates, Anabuki did not even try to follow the American plane, instead he concentrated in the bombers.

Sgt Anabuki closed to 1200 mts to the right of the bombers and 500 meters above them (he was flying at 5500 mts and the Liberators at 5000) and then rolled and dove. Anabuki knew that to shot down one heavily defended and huge four-engine bomber like the B-24 with the relatively weak weaponry of his Ki-43 (12,7 mm machineguns, with no cannons) was a very hard task, but he had the experience and the determination to do so, as himself accounted:

"All I could see was the enemy. I'm diving straight down towards the dark jungle. Life or death didn't matter then. If the gods still need me they wouldn't let me die. I see an image of my mother's face. I think I heard her yelling `Go, Satoru,go!`. I think of what a strong woman my mother is. I think to myself I must be as strong. Distance closes further. 300, 200, I see my bullets get sucked into the gigantic B-24. Getting closer. 150, 100. I start firing my final burst.

The enemy's defensive fire is fierce. Their formation is trailing a lot of gun smoke, raining bullets in successive bursts, but I know as long as I'm at this angle, they can't hit me. My target starts smoking from the wing root. Even as I'm firing, the white smoke is getting bigger and bigger. I'm near collision and I break off to the left and to the rear of the enemy, diving vertically. Fifty some enemy machine guns are firing at me, but not a single bullet hit me as I speeded away out of their range. "

When Anabuki prepared himself for a second pass against the badly hit B-24, saw that it slipped at one side, the crew bailed out and the bomber began to spin. So, in few minutes he added one P-38 and one B-24 to his killboard.

But when he was ready to attack the bombers for the second time, suddenly saw tracers passing very close to his port wing. Anabuki sharply broke to starboard, avoiding the burst, but a second one struck his plane, being the Japanese pilot badly wounded in his left hand. Anabuki realised that the P-38 leader which had previously escaped was back, and it was willing to take him out. Despite the intense pain, Anabuki performed a series of the sharp turns, exploiting the superior turn capability of the Ki-43 Hayabusa and forcing the American pilot to gave up. When the P-38 pilot did so, Anabuki rolled his plane and reversed towards the Lightning. At point-blank range (about 30 mts) the Japanese ace fired and black smoke emerged from the P-38, together with oil which splattered over the windshield of the Ki-43 and temporarily blinded Anabuki. When he recover the sight, the P-38 was diving away again, this time definitively.

Despite he was wounded and his plane damaged (Anabuki noticed that at full throttle the engine airlocked), Anabuki made an provisional bandage with his muffler to stop the bleeding of his left hand, and performed his second pass against the B-24s. setting on fire one of them. When Anabuki climbed to began another pass saw that the crew of this Liberators could bail out (actually only 2 crewmembers). Then Anabuki began his third pass:

"At this point, the overwhelming thought in my mind was that today's combat was over. I was about to turn back to base, and threw a final glance at the B-24s, which I presumed were by now too far away to follow. But alas! The bombers had apparently slowed down to cover their damaged comrade during my attack and was still within my attack range!

Looking back, it was a foolish thing to do, but I started to position myself for another attack despite my injury and the plane's damages. The pain and the gas kept me hardly conscious, and my sight had deteriorated badly. My arm was hurting badly as the tightly wound muffler blocked blood circulation. But there was a thought that dominated my fading consciousness; if the enemy is within range, it was a fighter pilot's duty to attack. To do otherwise would disgrace my family blood. My mother's face flashes back. To go into combat now may mean my demise. Mother forgive me! But then I thought I heard her say 'Charge, Satoru, and the way will open.'. I had no regrets. The enemy was there. I will just charge.

I was slowly gaining altitude to attack position for the third time. I was hardly conscious. All I could think about was 'Charge, charge!' Call me a foolish rustic warrior, I couldn't have cared less. I was fighting to keep my consciousness and charging at the enemy at full throttle. The pain of my left hand was getting unbearable. I untied the muffler from my arm. As the blood started flowing, the pain went way, but the hand started bleeding like a dam burst open. "

So, Anabuki choose a third B-24 as his mark, and began his run against it. But as he was attacking it, suddenly ran out of ammo. In a normal situation, he would disengaged and headed home, but Anabuki took a very different decision: he would ramm the bomber:

"If I was my normal self, I would have banked my wings at the enemy and wished them luck and break away, but my mind was just obsessed with getting the enemy. My consciousness was nearly fading from the gasoline and the injury, my hand kept on bleeding, and I was out of ammunition. All these negative factors were piling up on me, but all I had in my mind was the existence of the powerful enemy in front of me. I was completely taken over by one of the fighter pilots' instincts; the fighting spirit.

At that moment I was, by chance, right above the enemy. Although I was out of ammo, reflexes got the better of me and I instinctively put my plane in a dive. However, to start your dive from directly above the enemy means that by the time you are actually shooting, your attack will be at a shallow angle, presenting an ideal target for the enemy's rear gunner. Just as the enemy started firing away, I maneuvered my plane to present the smallest possible target for the enemy, and charged on. Just as I expected, I found myself facing a wall of fire, and my plane shook as their bullets hit her. To makes matters worse, my engine output went down, and my angle was now so shallow that I was in their propeller wake and being thrown around wildly.

I was totally obsessed with getting the enemy. I decided to ram the bomber. 'Take this! Yankee!' I pulled up, but perhaps my action was too acute, and the next moment, my plane careened into the middle of the fuselage of the third plane of the left formation.

Although I had intended to ram her, I instinctively yanked my stick to evade the crash. The next moment a tremendous shock hit me with a thunderous roar and I just sat there dumbfounded watching my propeller eating away at the enemy's starboard rudder at full 1130HP. There was nothing I could do now. It was as if the plane was being controlled by some gigantic force from outside. And all the while, I just sat there with the throttle pinned open.

The next thing I knew, the port wing of the "Kimikaze" hit the enemy's elevator. With a great shock, the enemy's elevator broke upwards, and my plane was thrown around about 45 degrees to the left, bouncing on the stabilizer and crash -landed on the enemy's fuselage.

I would guess that the enemy was surprised, but so was I. In spite of my surprise, my plane proceeded to eat away at the fuselage of the B-24 and stopped at around the US insignia. I think it was just for a moment, but it felt like a long time, sitting on top of the enemy like that. While I was on top of the enemy, they didn't shoot at me. I saw them staring at this rude intruder from their turrets and windows. They were probably not firing because I was too close, but I also had a strange worry in myself. I was seriously worrying about being carried to their base like this!"

Fortunatelly for him, "Kimikaze" slid off bomber's back, and despite initially fell, later it began a controlled glide, and Anabuki was able to restart the engine, crash-landing in a beach shore near Rangoon, where he was rescued and cured, rejoining to active duty only 5 days later.

It was then, when he accounted this combat to the journalist Eiji Suzuki, that he became famous. Anabuki was even officially credited with five kills that day, including the second P-38 (which he considered only damaged). After that, the Japanese High Command grounded him with propaganda purposes and sent it home to train new students at Akeno Fighter School. In late October 1944 he was promoted to Master Sargeant and came back to action over the Philippines when he shot down six F6F Hellcats with his new tool, the Ki-84 Hayate. Anabuki scored the last victory over Japan, it was a B-29. In the 1950s he joined to the Japanese Self-Defense Air Force and became a helicopter pilot.
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GK.
04-15-2004, 09:49 PM
amazing story.

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WUAF_Badsight
04-15-2004, 10:08 PM
the 12.7mm guns on the Hayabusa were Machine Guns yes .......

..... BUT , they fired incendiary rounds

its kinda like they were .50cal Incendiary Machine Cannon

WUAF_Badsight
04-15-2004, 10:10 PM
& ..... ahhhhh ....... gotta let my true colours show here .......

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GK.
04-15-2004, 10:11 PM
anyone know if the 7.7mm were incendiary as well?

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04-15-2004, 10:21 PM
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necrobaron
04-15-2004, 10:27 PM
I like uber planes but certainly not exclusively. B-10s,P-35s,P-43s,CW-21s,etc. would all be verily appreciated by me. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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mllaneza
04-15-2004, 11:35 PM
I'll be quite sure to spend some time in Buffalos over Midway (warmer than Finland !) and in whatever the poor SOBs in Malaya and Java were flying. And the Devastator - possibly one of the least-uber planes ever to see combat (the Fairley Battle actually shot some planes down) - I will be flying that, just to get a glimpse of what it was like.

Veteran - Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force. 1993-1951.

VF-3Thunderboy
04-15-2004, 11:54 PM
I like good matchups, 2 sets of planes. F4F's and Zeros are a great matchup! (in CFS2-1%ers)-
But yea, everyone always wanted to "move up" to Hellcats.Then you throw in the Georges, a KI 84, and YES it is interesting, but I like F4F VS A6M2 very well, with altitude differences, and clouds!-Some very amazing moments!I look forward to a "Crappy" room any day! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

Giganoni
04-16-2004, 01:32 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WereSnowleopard:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Giganoni:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WereSnowleopard:
Is anyone know that pilot of Ki-43 shot 3 B-24 down in single sortie? I do.

Also Pilots of Me-109E/F and early G will said same thing about light machine guns as still shot some planes down even cannon jammed sometime.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah Anabuki Satoru over Ragoon. If the story is true he also shot down a P-38 in that mission...now before people cry foul, he shot it down because he had the advantage of surprise. His Ki-43 "Kimikaze" (after his wife) had the 2 .5 cals.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, you are right. Okay, let me post it so everyone can read it. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>]
Hehe, Um...thats cool, I actually already posted this story before in

Go Satoru! Go! (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=26310365&m=712106943)

[This message was edited by Giganoni on Fri April 16 2004 at 01:02 AM.]

luthier1
04-16-2004, 01:35 AM
Sorry to be the local forum nazi, but was there really the need to quote the WHOLE story? It's already available right on this very page http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

http://www.il2center.com/PF.jpg

F19_Olli72
04-16-2004, 01:38 AM
It would be fun recreating Nagatsukas mission where he shot down a B-29 in a Ki-27 (providing there will be a flyable Ki-27 of course). http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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PF_Talus
04-16-2004, 04:17 AM
This is what I'm waiting to fly:

http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/Talus/dauntless1.jpg

Can't wait to fly the "slow but deadly."


http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/Talus/Il-2_001.jpg

WereSnowleopard
04-16-2004, 08:42 AM
Some readers have slow connections so I do favor by paste whole story without pictures to to make easy for everyone read it as it is so amazed how Ki-43 ride on back of B-24 like bull rider ride on bull at rodeo.

DuxCorvan
04-16-2004, 09:03 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GK.:
i wonder how hard it will be to get kills with only 2 7.7s?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

If they're so 'well' modelled as the eight 0.303 are in Hurricane mk.I, you better open your canopy and try to bite the enemy pilot's ear... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

- Dux Corvan -
http://www.uploadit.org/DuxCorvan/Altamira2.jpg
Ten thousand years of Cantabrian skinning.

sugaki
04-16-2004, 02:52 PM
Mmmm Bearcat, nice lookin crate. Hopefully an expansion will let me shoot it down http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

But I only wanna shoot it down with this puppy:
http://www.ijnafpics.com/JB&W3/A7M-7.jpg
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
http://www.ijnafpics.com/JB&W4/A7M-10.jpg