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M.Beebe
07-11-2004, 08:02 PM
In some documentry I saw a few years ago, they talked about this huge Japanese battleship that never saw action, but was eventually filled to the brim with explosives and sailed towards some port as a suicide weapon. The Americans got wise to the plot and hit the thing with everything they had, resulting in an explosion with a near-nuclear yield.

Anyone know what this bad boy was and have links?

Thanks!

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To children ardent for some desperate glory,
The old Lie:
Dulce et decorum est
Pro patria mori."

-- Wilfred Owen,
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M.Beebe
07-11-2004, 08:02 PM
In some documentry I saw a few years ago, they talked about this huge Japanese battleship that never saw action, but was eventually filled to the brim with explosives and sailed towards some port as a suicide weapon. The Americans got wise to the plot and hit the thing with everything they had, resulting in an explosion with a near-nuclear yield.

Anyone know what this bad boy was and have links?

Thanks!

"My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
To children ardent for some desperate glory,
The old Lie:
Dulce et decorum est
Pro patria mori."

-- Wilfred Owen,
Dulce Et Decorum Est

http://www.cwrl.utexas.edu/~benjamin/316kfall/316ktexts/owendulce.html

heywooood
07-11-2004, 08:08 PM
Never heard of it... sorry


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goshikisen
07-11-2004, 08:48 PM
I don't know about loading "Superbattleships" with explosives and sending them on a suicide mission. I do know that the Japanese Navy tried one, last ditch, fleet action that involved the battleship Yamato and the cruiser Yahagi. They sailed towards Okinawa (if I remember correctly) with only enough fuel to get them there... thus the "suicide mission" idea. I believe the intent was for the Yamato to engage the US fleet in the vicinity of the island and intentionally ground itself so as to keep up fire without sinking. The mission, of course, was an absolute failure with the loss of both the cruiser and battleship.

Fliger747
07-11-2004, 10:03 PM
I think often of the loss of the Yamato, on it's way to Okinawa with one way fuel. I fly nearly over that spot every time I fly to Taiwan.

At least the Mk 13 aerial torpedo was working by that time!

Texas LongHorn
07-11-2004, 10:32 PM
Jeez. someone missed a few day of class huh? While I suspect you are talking about the Yamato you have so many facts incorrect I cannot know where to begin, The Yamato "suicide run" was to many the end of the IJN as we knew it, the great ship had LANDED two of her triple six inch gun tubes and ADDED 150 25mm dual purpose cannon. This was the invasion of Okinawa. The Sister Musashi absorbed an estimated 20 torps and seventeen bombs at Leyte Gulf, still the greatest naval action ever fought. The third ship in class was converted to an Aircraft Carrier (Shinano) and was sunk by a US sub while on sortie, she was never even fitted out! Read up my friend, if I sounded curt I'm sorry, the curse of any American is an Aussie wife!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. All the best, LongHorn

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Warlordimi
07-13-2004, 03:04 AM
The Yamato's last sortie was in operation "Ten Go" ("Heavenly Plan"). It was supposed to set sail to Okinawa and crashed itself on the shore being a huge flak tower and hoping that it's tremendous firepower would crush the US TF!

Leaving Tokuyama le 06 april 45, it was spotted by the US sub Hacleback the next day and attacked by 386 US airplanes. It will sink after taking 12 torpedoes and 18 bombs.

It ablazed at mid bow, probably when the 460mm ammo chamber blew out!

http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/h62000/h62582.jpg

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whiteladder
07-13-2004, 05:56 AM
Great ship, people might like to have a look at these,

http://www.warship.get.net.pl/Japonia/Battleships/1941_Yamato_class/Drawings/Yamato_4-1945.gif

http://www.warship.get.net.pl/Japonia/Battleships/1941_Yamato_class/Drawings/Yamato_12-1941.gif

mark

Sienikeitto
07-13-2004, 02:28 PM
SHINANO

Same ship as Yamato and Musashi, but it was a carrier. I have read about it few times. Sunk by allied forces.

EDIT: Oh, someone mentioned it before... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Fliger747
07-13-2004, 08:18 PM
Shinano:

Sunk by USS Archerfish off the coast of Japan. Not fully in commision or in battle readiness, with poor watertight integrity (lots of hatches open). 4 torpedos, largest warship sunk by a submarine during WWII.

flockzap
07-14-2004, 04:13 PM
Check this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_battleship_Yamato

S!
Flockzap

J30Vader
07-14-2004, 09:25 PM
Read "A Glorius way to Die" by Russell Spurr.
Also "Shinano" written by the Archerfish CO.

Sienikeitto
07-15-2004, 09:36 AM
I read about Shinano in a Readers Digest magazine

Flakwalker
07-15-2004, 01:47 PM
About a japanese superbattleship, there was one planned, the Yashima, bigger than the Yamato:

http://www.highcool.ca/j-ships/WhatIf/JSWhatIfShipYashima.html

jensenpark
07-15-2004, 08:32 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Flakwalker:
About a japanese superbattleship, there was one planned, the Yashima, bigger than the Yamato:

http://www.highcool.ca/j-ships/WhatIf/JSWhatIfShipYashima.html<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Now that is one big freakin' ship...check out the armament on it...

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Buzz Beurling flying his last sortie over Malta, Oct.24, 1942

Brakovitch
07-16-2004, 08:48 PM
That brings back memories of my construction kit days when I was a kid. I had a plastic kit of the Shinano and also of the Yamato. I thought the kits were better than the Airfix ones I usually made. Now, what was that Japanese firm that used to do those kits?

IV|JG51Flatspin
07-16-2004, 09:11 PM
The Yamato's history doesn't end there...

...don't forget her glorious rebirth and role in saving Humanity. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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Mr_Nakajima
07-17-2004, 11:10 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Flakwalker:
About a japanese superbattleship, there was one planned, the Yashima, bigger than the Yamato:

http://www.highcool.ca/j-ships/WhatIf/JSWhatIfShipYashima.html<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Note the line on the page:

'An interesting look at possible and impossible ship designs inspired from the actual IJN'

...these are not actual IJN plans, but someone's fantasy ships.

For a very good book on the Yamato's last mission, read 'Requiem for Battleship Yamato' by Yoshida Mitsuru. Yoshida sailed on the Yamato's last kamikaze mission. Published by the Naval Institute Press:

http://www.usni.org/webstore/shopexd.asp?
id=19122

'Battleship "Musashi": The Making and Sinking of the World's Biggest Battleship' by Akira Yoshimura is also worth reading. Available from Amazon.

Fliger747
07-17-2004, 01:05 PM
The U.S. Naval Institute is a great outfit for anyone loving the history of Naval seafaring, including avation. Terrific books and support for historical projects. Dean Koontz's "Flight of the Intruder", his first book was published by USNI when no one else would touch him as an unpublished author.

Yamato had indeed been in "action" before the last sortie, taking a submarine torpedo at one point (which revealed a great defect in the armor design) and later at Leyte, of Samar, where it participated in the bombardment of the "jeep carriers" of "Taffy 3".

k5054
07-18-2004, 08:41 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>he U.S. Naval Institute is a great outfit for anyone loving the history of Naval seafaring, including avation. Terrific books and support for historical projects. Dean Koontz's "Flight of the Intruder", his first book was published by USNI when no one else would touch him as an unpublished author. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
That would be Stephen Coonts!
Also, same story, Tom Clancy's Hunt for Red October. Not many NIP books get made as major movies with Sean Connery starring.

Sakai9745
07-18-2004, 11:39 AM
M.Beebe's story is not entirely off. The concept of a bonafide warship (ie - not speedboat) being packed with explosives and sailed towards a target for the explicit purpose of serving as an oversized bomb is known to history. I invite you all to the following webpage regarding HMS Campbelltown, ex-USS Buchanan, DD-131 (Wicks Class), and how she was used to eliminate one of the few - if not the only - drydocks large enough to accomodate the German battleship Tirpitz.

http://www.ship-modelers-assn.org/fam0109.htm

Al - SF, Calif

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