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Locopells
09-24-2015, 02:33 PM
GameTrailer

http://www.gametrailers.com/videos/7p0p2k/assassin-s-creed--syndicate-preview

Arekkz Gaming


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLsIQGmpeko


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQ2-ArcmZog

Eurogamer


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snN25ocbYdM

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2015-09-18-assassins-creed-syndicate-takes-a-leap-towards-inclusivity-with-the-series-first-transgender-character

UbiCentral


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwyMXaXObNc


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kq_ZnJuV0EM


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eurpv61nrII


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qr37Et3eyoc


https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=98&v=juZVCJirebg

GameRadar

http://www.gamesradar.com/11-brilliant-things-i-did-assassins-creed-syndicate/

Westie


https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=434&v=nKUa_Xqm6gU

GameRant

http://gamerant.com/assassins-creed-syndicate-campaign-preview-817/

GameReactor

http://www.gamereactor.eu/previews/352023/Assassins+Creed+Syndicate/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAlfdCS7zuc

NukemDukem


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZcZsQh30ZQ

Geeks and Com


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ha5S9eRTpJs


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e73r8DxiXMU

Red TheMarkOfJ


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hg50d7KvaYs

outsidexbox


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyrEt8LTMko


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FboyNxanK4Q


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmaThjprIiU

Oylerzoid


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNtgX3ixwxo

EPNdotTV


https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=146&v=QaWbs8okhiw

PlayStation Access


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7brKlO0BX2c


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCwQIH6mNyA

YOGSCAST Hannah


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KR8MlHuK9fk

RajmanGaming HD


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bf2NzjVUJjo

GameRiot


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovXF0n13ivo

BPRGaming


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSD7w7aCA8s

heychrissa


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kq_ZnJuV0EM

Oylerzoid


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PR68_ytPpEU


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9UdGVgWVJs

Sushiglutton
09-24-2015, 05:36 PM
Another preview:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLsIQGmpeko

bitebug2003
09-24-2015, 05:40 PM
Guess we'll use this thread for the previews then

[Title updated]

dimbismp
09-24-2015, 05:50 PM
I am not going to watch them to avoid spoilers,but can someone make a summary?

Farlander1991
09-24-2015, 05:53 PM
Eurogamer preview

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snN25ocbYdM

Locopells
09-24-2015, 05:57 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwyMXaXObNc


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kq_ZnJuV0EM


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eurpv61nrII

GameRadar

http://www.gamesradar.com/11-brilliant-things-i-did-assassins-creed-syndicate/

EuroGamer

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2015-09-18-assassins-creed-syndicate-takes-a-leap-towards-inclusivity-with-the-series-first-transgender-character

Westie Preview


https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=434&v=nKUa_Xqm6gU

GameRant

http://gamerant.com/assassins-creed-syndicate-campaign-preview-817/

GameReactor

http://www.gamereactor.eu/previews/352023/Assassins+Creed+Syndicate/

Farlander1991
09-24-2015, 06:19 PM
Sequence 3 Mission 1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSD7w7aCA8s

RVSage
09-24-2015, 06:25 PM
Okay the night in this game looks gorgeous :)

Alphacos007
09-24-2015, 06:51 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQ2-ArcmZog

Some Sequence 7 gameplay.

Farlander1991
09-24-2015, 06:59 PM
Skill tree and some sequence 3 stuff and cutscenes (as well as some gang upgrade skill tree stuff and database)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ha5S9eRTpJs

dimbismp
09-24-2015, 07:02 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQ2-ArcmZog

Some Sequence 7 gameplay.
7?They showed the third to last sequence?

Farlander1991
09-24-2015, 07:06 PM
Some more sequence 7 stuff

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e73r8DxiXMU

Farlander1991
09-24-2015, 07:14 PM
The first mission with the rope launcher

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAlfdCS7zuc

NewT-Shirts
09-24-2015, 07:17 PM
I was invited to play Assassin's Creed Syndicate on the PS4 for 4 hours.
I talked to 10 other YouTubers who were at the event with me and the general consensus that it was a lot better than Unity.
If you have any questions feel free to ask :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZcZsQh30ZQ

SofaJockey
09-24-2015, 07:21 PM
ok, this is enough.

4 weeks to go.
Far too much gameplay floating around now.

I recognise that Ubisoft need to demonstrate 'it's better than ACU'
But my spoilers caution level has risen to DEFCON 3...

Farlander1991
09-24-2015, 07:26 PM
ok, this is enough.

4 weeks to go.
Far too much gameplay floating around now.

I recognise that Ubisoft need to demonstrate 'it's better than ACU'
But my spoilers caution level has risen to DEFCON 3...

There's a lot of gameplay but a lot of it is pretty much the same gameplay with some variations, mostly from Sequence 3 (and bits of 7), so it's not that spoilery in total. I mean, AC4 had the same marketing with Sequence 3 and 6 shown pretty much uniformly everywhere at this point.

Going4Quests
09-24-2015, 07:27 PM
I saw some vids carefully, to see if they're gameplay only, but i'm not watching any vids more, so much spoilers. Now, THIS IS THE BEST AC YET! :D

GunnerGalactico
09-24-2015, 07:27 PM
So Evie helped AGB name his latest invention. Lol.

RVSage
09-24-2015, 07:31 PM
You do really good videos, have good gameplay style too. Thanks :) Been following your channel for a while

ModernWaffle
09-24-2015, 07:36 PM
Great video and thanks for the info! How hard was it to fight a mass group of enemies and was combat harder or easier than Unity?

6.43 - don't know if I'm going to like Jacob or not at this point, but that banter ;)

Really glad we have Henry in this game actually, he seems like a good AC mentor, which is nice to have after Unity messed it up with Bellec.

Farlander1991
09-24-2015, 07:55 PM
So Evie helped AGB name his latest invention. Lol.

Yeah, but it's kinda cute in a way, like how Ezio invented latte :D

Btw, Sequence 3 is when the twins arrive in London judging by the cutscenes, which means that the first two sequences are not going to take place there. I guess they'll be in Crawley?

harsab
09-24-2015, 08:38 PM
I'm not going to lie I'm super hyped now. The game looks incredibly interesting as far as the story & gameplay goes. It's giving me a mysterious vibe which i LOVE about AC.

CAUTION: SPOILER SO DON'T READ ON.

Also can anyone explain what these ''Charles ****ens Memories'' & ''Queen Elizabeth Memories'' may mean?? I Wonder if they have to do with the rifts.
http://www.gamesradar.com/assassins-creeds-helix-rifts-return-syndicate-spoilers-inside-2/?tag=grsocial-20

VestigialLlama4
09-24-2015, 08:40 PM
That Evie Fight Club sequence was amazing to see. I have to say, ubisoft are doing the two protagonists thing better than I expected. People said Evie would be Haytham forgetting that 25% does not include Haytham in AC3 (he's at best 6 or 7%) but this shows that there's a lot of stuff.

I really like how cool it is that she looks so prim and classy fighting those guys. I take back all I said about her being a wallflower.

Can anyone check to see if she and Jacob have different animations?

Woah, Karl Marx confirmed.

Yeah.

RVSage
09-24-2015, 08:45 PM
Alexander Graham bell, is the new tools guy :D

VestigialLlama4
09-24-2015, 08:46 PM
I am glad Syndicate backed away from the chickens--t attitude to period that Unity had.

RVSage
09-24-2015, 08:46 PM
That Evie Fight Club sequence was amazing to see. I have to say, ubisoft are doing the two protagonists thing better than I expected. People said Evie would be Haytham forgetting that 25% does not include Haytham in AC3 (he's at best 6 or 7%) but this shows that there's a lot of stuff.

I really like how cool it is that she looks so prim and classy fighting those guys. I take back all I said about her being a wallflower.

Can anyone check to see if she and Jacob have different animations?

Evie and Jacob seem to share fight animations, their parkour and movement animatiions are different(Jacob uses Arno's movement animations)

I-Like-Pie45
09-24-2015, 08:47 PM
i think its sexist + misandrist that evie isn't fighting other women, getting down dirty and vicious with them with real-time clothing destruction physics

Farlander1991
09-24-2015, 08:59 PM
Btw, the fact that side-missions are tied to characters rather than just side missions is smart, I think. In ACU there were ****tons of historical figures and it didn't matter because, well, you spend like one dialogue with each of them and who are all those people?! But in ACS side-missions will be related to characters, which I think is the smart way to do it as it allows to better connect everything together and flesh out those side-characters as well as the main ones.

GunnerGalactico
09-24-2015, 09:03 PM
i think its sexist + misandrist that evie isn't fighting other women, getting down dirty and vicious with them with real-time clothing destruction physics

We might see her beat the crap out of female Templars during missions. It wasn't very lady-like for women of that time period to slug it out in a ring.

I know it's a joke btw

Sushiglutton
09-24-2015, 09:03 PM
Must admit i loled a ton at:

the dog being called Desmond :D!

I-Like-Pie45
09-24-2015, 09:21 PM
We might see her beat the crap out of female Templars during missions. It wasn't very lady-like for women of that time period to slug it out in a ring.

I know it's a joke btw

that doesn't mean that british people don't like seeing it or writing about it

Kaschra
09-24-2015, 11:47 PM
I love the interactions between Jacob and the wife of the prime minister lol

pacmanate
09-25-2015, 12:43 AM
Nukem! I always watch your videos, good stuff!

Alphacos007
09-25-2015, 12:48 AM
I didn't watch everything because I don't want spoilers, but I laughed on the few cutscenes I saw. I hope there's more of that on the game.

kosmoscreed
09-25-2015, 04:21 AM
I barely watched anything because I want to go fresh to the game but combat looks really wierd, like is anormally speed up.

SixKeys
09-25-2015, 05:26 AM
I'm not watching any videos because I want to avoid spoilers, but can anyone give an indication of the general consensus so far? What do sites like Eurogamer think of the game, for example?

RVSage
09-25-2015, 06:06 AM
I'm not watching any videos because I want to avoid spoilers, but can anyone give an indication of the general consensus so far? What do sites like Eurogamer think of the game, for example?

I would say 75% are positive about the game in terms of performance, gameplay and 25% are not so happy with it. The 25% claims frame drops, stuttering. Anyway we will know in a month . Hoping the 75% are true

EmptyCrustacean
09-25-2015, 08:03 AM
Copy and pasted from the other thread:

I'm officially excited now having watched the gameplay and cut scenes.

The tone is great. I think humour was a natural direction after the po-faced heaviness of Unity.

The world is so alive and constantly reacting to you, and you to it. The character building doesn't just stop with the cut scenes as the dialogue continues even in free roam which says a lot about the twins' personalities. It's very GTA inspired.

Visually, London is beautiful especially as London is nowhere near that pretty (or interesting) in real life so it's kind of like watching a better, more improved version lol. The colour palette is gorgeous. All the pinks and purples and blues may become jarring after some time but we'll see. The facial models and motion capture is quite terrible which is only highlighted by how gorgeous everything else is.

The music is good in places albeit repetitive with too much emphasis on violins and cellos but it's nice to see it return in free roam.

I really like Jacob and I didn't think I would. I like the voice actor and FINALLY a male protagonist that isn't an Ezio clone. He is self centred, flawed, immature and seemingly lacking a heart or social skills which I suspect he only shows in more tender moments with Evie. It would be interesting to get under the skin of him. Evie is clearly the people person. I love the idea that the parents have passed due to natural causes (not dramatic quick punch deaths) leaving the two birds to fly out of their nest and face the the world by themselves. I love the idea of Jacob and Evie being these young rookies (no pun intended) Assassins who have come to London despite the wishes of the Brotherhood. There's a naivety and freshness about them. They don't seem recycled.

And it has to be said - their motivations seem to primarily about liberating London from Templar control which is a good start. They value the Creed and it seems to add a new layer to their sibiling rivalry (Evie's dig about Jacob ruining the Brotherhood if he became Master)

And Evie so fancies Henry Green lol. You could see Jacob give Evie a look when Henry expresses his sympathies at their father's death.



Of course this is all just first impressions. I was impressed with Unity's early footage as well and look how that turned out...

Oh and: "Shut your gob. Meet my blade" lol

king-hailz
09-25-2015, 09:37 AM
So, many of the previews have been released, with a lot of game play being uploaded as well. So far everything seems positive. Everyone praises the game play add ons like the rope launcher and the Carriages. The combat system is also praised although still lacking to people compared to Batman or the recent Mad Max. Some people said that the performance of the game was about the same as the previews for Unity which is a bad sign, but a lot of people didn't even mention it.

From what I saw in the story, which I wont spoil, is really good. Suprisongly good. It's completely different to AC3/ACU/ACRogue. It's basically a comedy, each cutscene was light hearted and full of jokes between the two twins. They're both cool but Evie is better. She is not really as advertised. She is advertised as completely serious but even she makes a lot of jokes. The only thing I could say that some may not like is that although it looks like a living breathing city of london, the story is ultimately a parody of Victorian London. Which isn't really a bad thing but it seems a bit too light hearted and that they were trying to recreate moments in AC2 again, for example when Ezio and Leonardo are talking about Caterina Sforza. It still feels like they're trying to recreate AC2 and failing but I'd rather have that then have them try to acomplish a story like Unitys and fail.

However the lack of Modern day is still there and that really downgrades what I think of this game, I would say the single player is almost as good as Brotherhoods (Very similar in a lot of ways). But Brotherhood had an amazing modern day section of the game that this doesn't have.

I would say this game is better than AC3/ACRogue/ACU but not as good as the others.

EmptyCrustacean
09-25-2015, 01:48 PM
So, many of the previews have been released, with a lot of game play being uploaded as well. So far everything seems positive. Everyone praises the game play add ons like the rope launcher and the Carriages. The combat system is also praised although still lacking to people compared to Batman or the recent Mad Max. Some people said that the performance of the game was about the same as the previews for Unity which is a bad sign, but a lot of people didn't even mention it.

From what I saw in the story, which I wont spoil, is really good. Suprisongly good. It's completely different to AC3/ACU/ACRogue. It's basically a comedy, each cutscene was light hearted and full of jokes between the two twins. They're both cool but Evie is better. She is not really as advertised. She is advertised as completely serious but even she makes a lot of jokes. The only thing I could say that some may not like is that although it looks like a living breathing city of london, the story is ultimately a parody of Victorian London. Which isn't really a bad thing but it seems a bit too light hearted and that they were trying to recreate moments in AC2 again, for example when Ezio and Leonardo are talking about Caterina Sforza. It still feels like they're trying to recreate AC2 and failing but I'd rather have that then have them try to acomplish a story like Unitys and fail.

However the lack of Modern day is still there and that really downgrades what I think of this game, I would say the single player is almost as good as Brotherhoods (Very similar in a lot of ways). But Brotherhood had an amazing modern day section of the game that this doesn't have.

I would say this game is better than AC3/ACRogue/ACU but not as good as the others.


Agree about the tone and humour.
Also agree that there's a definite AC2 influence there - from the moment I found out that we'd get a twin brother and sister I knew they would have Jacob and Evie race each other for one of the missions a la Ezio and his older brother.

VestigialLlama4
09-25-2015, 03:43 PM
I have seen all the gameplay videos available finally, so I am putting some random thoughts together.

1) The Assassins have a Train as HQ - Black Flag was inspired by Zelda Wind Waker, so Syndicate is Zelda Spirit Tracks. Well makes sense. But yeah it's a cool idea, and I like the idea that the train is constantly moving around the map, and you can hop off the train somehow and move around. This by itself is winning me over. Historically, Leon Trotsky did use a train as base during the October Revolution so it's not totally game-y. I mean that was set much after the Victorian era but there is precedent. It's also a step-up from Black Flag where the Jackdaw was clearly your moving HQ but for some reasons you had an extra mansion and Pirate Cove that mostly was just "there".

2) The tone of the game seems pretty silly, which I guess is a nice change of space after the Kenway games and after Unity's faux-seriousness and faux-silliness. Going goofy has its advantages. In any case, a mission where Jacob serves as a Gentleman companion to the Prime Minister's wife who keeps hitting on him and the mission has activities like escaping tabloid journalists and catching a dog-catcher, well I don't know if that is a whole different than Connor and Paul Revere sharing a horse, except of course there it's unintentionally silly. To me a mission like this should go the full Sister Teodora, i.e. totally insane as in Madam Disraeli and Jacob shack up in the carriage (sleeping with the PM's wife is the kind of thing a Victorian Assassin ought to do) or not be there at all.

3) Alexander Graham Bell is obviously Victorian Leonardo. I find Big Ben to be a little too small. Obviously I can't measure dimensions from just the video but to me it's just not imposing enough and obviously they didn't 1:1 Big Ben (which I imagine would be pretty hard anyway). The Grappling Hook, I am sorry, I am sold on it even less. The climbing is too fast. A structure like Big Ben should not be so easy to scale. Even the Hookblade in Revelations had some amount of respect for the Galata Tower. The line launcher/ziplining thing, that I am okay with. But grappling up and down is kind of a breaking thing in my view. But credit where credit is due, that panorama at the top of Big Ben's viewpoint, with Thames, Hyde Park, Lake Serpentine and Westminster around you....best panorama ever!

4) The HUD is not making me happy at all, I despise X-Ray see-through-walls vision with the fire of a 1000 suns. It makes stealth too easy and ruins the art design of the buildings and open world. I also hate the last-seen-position thing, I don't think it's useful. London is too bright and blue, and should be more gray, obviously they are trying to import Black Flag Havana colours to create that light-happy feel because they aren't creative enough to think in different colours. But I don't know since this is set in 1868, a single year or a span of few months that kind of justifies it, if its set in say late winter-spring-summer, maybe the seasons change as you progress?

5) As for the protagonists, Jacob and Evie, I don't think either is a super-interesting character by themselves and they work as compliments. Obviously Evie is the more interesting of the two. I don't care too much for Henry Green but I did like Agnes the Locomotive Operator, a Scottish stereotype but interesting nonetheless. Dislike that Clara O'Dea character, its a shame that games can't really do child characters who are interesting. I mean where are characters like the Artful Dodger. About the only decent child character Ubisoft has done is Kid Connor in AC3.

6) The Database entries are filled with pro-English horn-tooting, casual snark, so yeah, Shaun is back. And you even have notes studded RC (Rebecca Crane?) in there.

7) On the whole it's kind of proving to be more than a mea culpa for UNITY, but I can't help but feel that the game is a little incomplete somehow. I still feel that this game was rushed in earlier than intended after Unity failed to make Arno a franchise. The character design and models are not as good as Unity's was and it still feels kind of disposable on the whole.

VestigialLlama4
09-25-2015, 08:13 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=98&v=juZVCJirebg


Add this one on top. Spring Heeled Jack, Charles D-ckens memory.

I love that outfit Evie wears with the Red Trimmings.

Altair1789
09-25-2015, 08:41 PM
One of the sneak assassination animations made Jacob use a hidden blade on his right arm- does this mean double hidden blades are back in some sort of skill?

Can you switch between the kukri, cane sword, and fists real-time? I don't think the demo allowed that, but are there any signs that say the released game should allow that? I saw on the weapon wheel (or cross) that the option for the down button looked kinda like a cane sword, maybe they'll add the other primary weapons to that list on release

And have any of the demo-players said anything about the customization? I know they were allowed to look at all the options, but I want to know if the outfit from the leaked target gameplay footage is in game as a full outfit or piece of armor

Shahkulu101
09-25-2015, 08:46 PM
I watched a lot of Syndicate stuff today, no spoilers from me here, but the story and interactions between the characters I really love (although there are times when the animations look a bit awkward - and I have a problem with Jacob's actor), however I'm pretty meh about the gameplay. I'm happy with the structure and style of the side missions, but the actual mechanics look to me like they wont cut it. They aren't bad or worse than past games, and they wont prevent me from enjoying the game, but it is disheartening to see the core mechanics of the series still so rough around the edges and looking so amateurish compared to other AAA games.

Syndicate being the 8th title, it's probably pointless to think that will ever change.

ladosefan
09-26-2015, 09:04 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hg50d7KvaYs
a lot is shown in this video about customisation :o (13:12-14:38 and 23:42-24:23)

SixKeys
09-26-2015, 09:38 AM
Ooh, that is interesting. Certain outfits can decrease detection speed. That is something that totally makes sense and is actually useful. Most of Unity's outfit perks didn't really show in practice, like decreasing running noise etc. I hope this time the changes are more noticeable.

who-can-i-be
09-26-2015, 09:39 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hg50d7KvaYs
a lot is shown in this video about customisation :o (13:12-14:38 and 23:42-24:23)

Neat video. They weren't kidding when they said Syndicate's system was just a simplified take on Unity's. It seems there's still some customising available, which is nice.

When the first wave of footage hit, I thought it would be funny to see a relationship between Evie and Henry just for Jacob's reactions, but now I'm a bit worried after the end of this video essentially confirms said relationship exists. Not only would it be a bit cliched, possibly offensive to introduce the series' first female lead only to give her a love interest, it also pretty much confirms Henry will die - again, given Ubisoft's love of cliches.

VestigialLlama4
09-26-2015, 10:03 AM
Neat video. They weren't kidding when they said Syndicate's system was just a simplified take on Unity's. It seems there's still some customising available, which is nice.

When the first wave of footage hit, I thought it would be funny to see a relationship between Evie and Henry just for Jacob's reactions, but now I'm a bit worried after the end of this video essentially confirms said relationship exists. Not only would it be a bit cliched, possibly offensive to introduce the series' first female lead only to give her a love interest, it also pretty much confirms Henry will die - again, given Ubisoft's love of cliches.

It's not so much cliches, the fact is that you can't have an Assassin organization with all of them walking out alive by the end of the game. It's part of the job profile that their professions are violent, have a short-shelf life and come to sticky ends. This is true of all the games where prominent Assassin allies or mentors or supporting figures die as the story progresses. In AC1, it was Kadar, some random Assassin NPCs, Al Mualim dies. In AC2, Giovanni and Frederico die, then Mario in Brotherhood, Yusuf Tazim in Revelations...and these are the light-hearted games. Weirdly AC3 has the positive feeling of seeing your mentor die of old age with his faith restored but it starts and ends on a bleak note. Black Flag has many Assassin NPCs dying and then Mary Read dies. Unity has Mirabeau and Bellec dead.

EmptyCrustacean
09-26-2015, 10:10 AM
Neat video. They weren't kidding when they said Syndicate's system was just a simplified take on Unity's. It seems there's still some customising available, which is nice.

When the first wave of footage hit, I thought it would be funny to see a relationship between Evie and Henry just for Jacob's reactions, but now I'm a bit worried after the end of this video essentially confirms said relationship exists. Not only would it be a bit cliched, possibly offensive to introduce the series' first female lead only to give her a love interest, it also pretty much confirms Henry will die - again, given Ubisoft's love of cliches.

Yep, he's a goner. Evie's whole "Be careful" and "I do hope Mr Green is alright" every 5 seconds confirms that he is basically a male version of Hope.

EmptyCrustacean
09-26-2015, 12:17 PM
It's not so much cliches, the fact is that you can't have an Assassin organization with all of them walking out alive by the end of the game. It's part of the job profile that their professions are violent, have a short-shelf life and come to sticky ends. This is true of all the games where prominent Assassin allies or mentors or supporting figures die as the story progresses. In AC1, it was Kadar, some random Assassin NPCs, Al Mualim dies. In AC2, Giovanni and Frederico die, then Mario in Brotherhood, Yusuf Tazim in Revelations...and these are the light-hearted games. Weirdly AC3 has the positive feeling of seeing your mentor die of old age with his faith restored but it starts and ends on a bleak note. Black Flag has many Assassin NPCs dying and then Mary Read dies. Unity has Mirabeau and Bellec dead.

We're not talking about real life. We're talking about cliches in tone, narrative and story telling so this whole "you can't have an organisation of Assassins yadda yadda" has no place in this discussion.

Killing off Mario in Brotherhood was jarring, unearned and came out of nowhere. They didn't even have time to deal with it. You can have people die but when they die in a cheap, unsatisfying, eye roll worthy way that doesn't really do anything for the story except kill its potential then it's meaningless. Ubisoft need to establish a way of raising the stakes without resorting to tired tropes. It would have been far more interesting to have Elise survive and then have to deal with the consequences of her being a Templar and Arno being an Assassin. That would have been a true test of their supposed 'unity'.

harsab
09-26-2015, 02:28 PM
I'm getting sooooo hyped for this game, the customization seems super interesting. Hurry up oct 23rd!

Xstantin
09-26-2015, 04:51 PM
Well at least customization colors look better than Unity

Shahkulu101
09-26-2015, 04:59 PM
Well at least customization colors look better than Unity

Yeah, none of the ridiculously bright red, oranges, yellows etc....

Altair1789
09-26-2015, 05:44 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hg50d7KvaYs
a lot is shown in this video about customisation :o (13:12-14:38 and 23:42-24:23)

Well that's terrible news. Looks like there are only 7 "outfits", including legacy outfits. I'm going to assume there are only two- Ezio's and Edward's outfits. Also it looks like we can't equip all three weapons at the same time, we can only cycle between them by going into the customization section

ladosefan
09-26-2015, 06:03 PM
I like the less customisation options as long as it provides me the bonuses i want.In ACU i felt a bit lost in the vast customisation menu and let's be honest,70% of the items werent really needed because they would get obsolete really fast.As for the weapons yeah it seems like you must choose between the 3 weapon types only :nonchalance:

Charleyyy1
09-26-2015, 07:39 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jzRioiFeFk


Why Ubisoft, why? :nonchalance:

VestigialLlama4
09-26-2015, 09:36 PM
Some Modern Day spoilers (lists of some related characters and some other stuff).

Some speculation there is way off the charts and totally won't be the case (i.e. having a modern day protagonist, for example) but still can be interesting to some nonetheless.

IIRC Alvaro Grammatica was mentioned in Unity's Rift Files and Ardant has this wikia page here (http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Isabelle_Ardant).

It says that we encounter them in the Helix sessions, so I think we will see them physically in the game in some form. I have a feeling that since Otso Berg and that Da Costa woman (Assassin Hunters) are in the game, then there could be an altercation between them and the MD Assassins and maybe there will be casualties.

kosmoscreed
09-27-2015, 05:35 AM
Why Ubisoft, why? :nonchalance:

Come on with the spoiler dude.

SixKeys
09-27-2015, 09:46 AM
Yeah, none of the ridiculously bright red, oranges, yellows etc....

Those were period-accurate colors, though.

Farlander1991
09-27-2015, 11:01 PM
This video is a continuation of the first mission with the rope launcher, and at the second half there's some cutscenes one of which introduces the transgender character.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuNnQ79LffM

EmptyCrustacean
09-27-2015, 11:33 PM
This video is a continuation of the first mission with the rope launcher, and at the second half there's some cutscenes one of which introduces the transgender character.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuNnQ79LffM

Bloody hell even with all the promotion of Evie being the stealthy one it's quite shocking to see so many players just running in like headless chickens into every confrontational situation!
The good thing is that the combat does look quite challenging as I have watched many gameplay vids now and people are dying all over the place.

Farlander1991
09-27-2015, 11:48 PM
Okay, so, the board on the train looks like Sequence selector, where each sequence corresponds to a target. Based on footage that we have (the board in Sequence 7 video showed all targets before it, so it's quite easy to define half of it), the targets per sequence go as follows:

Sequence 1 (A Spanner in the Works, based on achievement names) - Rupert Ferris (The Industrialist)
Sequence 2 (A Simple Plan) - David Brewster (The Scientist) - February 1868 (based on history)
Sequence 3 (A Modern Babylon) - None (the latest video I've posted is the end of sequence 3 apparently and there's no main target there)
Sequence 4 (A Quick and Reliable Remedy) - John Elliotson (The Doctor) - July 1868
Sequence 5 (The Perils of Business) - Pearl Attaway (The Tycoon)
Sequence 6 (A Run in the Bank) - Phillip Twopenny (The Bankroller)
Sequence 7 (All is Fair in Politics) - James Brudenell (The Politician) - based on the fact that Sequence 7 is about conspiracy in the house of parlament (and the letter Jacob reads at the beginning is from 'B', and Brudenell is the only Templar with a B that's alive at this point) and the fact that it can't be sequence 8, cause reason below - March 1868... uhm.... I guess they move his death date a bit?
Sequence 8 (The Joys of Freedom) - Maxwell Roth (The Gangster) - the what is presumably Sequence 8 part of the board, we see that the photo there is connected to the 7 boroughs of London, and since Roth controlls the gangs that control the boroughs... that should be him.
Sequence 9 (Shall We Dance?) - Crawford Starrick (The Grand Master)

Now, Lucy Thorne is kind of an aside on that board, she doesn't have a sequence of her own apparently, however in the description of Sequence 7 it was said that Phillip Twopenny and Lucy Thorne were killed (apparently Jacob kills Twopenny in a bank which causes the currency to nearly collapse, while at that time Evie is after Lucy), so she dies in Sequence 6 as well.

Also. The Bankroller (as the story trailer calls him) name is Twopenny. And he's killed at the Bank of England. And his name is Twopenny. Two. Penny. ... Haha?

Charleyyy1
09-28-2015, 01:06 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jzRioiFeFk

Why Ubisoft, why? :nonchalance:


Come on with the spoiler dude.

Sorry. But really, it's nothing special nor spoiler. Just a "funny" video - contains cutscene from a side mission. :)

Shahkulu101
09-28-2015, 04:57 AM
Those were period-accurate colors, though.

Really? Well count me corrected - and I thought the French had good fashion sense...

VestigialLlama4
09-28-2015, 07:06 AM
Really? Well count me corrected - and I thought the French had good fashion sense...

Bear in mind that Arno's outfits and gears were pick-and-mix from several different eras and stuff, and paired in a way that doesn't make aesthetic sense. Don't blame the French for that.



Sequence 9 (Shall We Dance?) - Crawford Starrick (The Grand Master)

That quote in that video, "Don't learn to dance until you know the dancer?" is an allusion to the final sequence. It implies that something big is going down between the twins.

Shahkulu101
09-28-2015, 07:19 AM
Bear in mind that Arno's outfits and gears were pick-and-mix from several different eras and stuff, and paired in a way that doesn't make aesthetic sense. Don't blame the French for that.

Okay, blame the French-Canadians! ;)

VestigialLlama4
09-28-2015, 07:34 AM
Okay, blame the French-Canadians! ;)

Naturellement!

Aside from Elise's Templar gear (which is simple and elegant), the costumes are pretty bad in Unity, both heroes and villains. There's no aesthetic consistency and design there. Which is sad because the New World games of AC3 and Black Flag had amazing costumes, both heroes and villains and supporting characters.

Charleyyy1
09-28-2015, 02:09 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCDEmjKiN0E

Moultonborough
09-28-2015, 11:46 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCDEmjKiN0E

That's pretty cool to see how much they did customization for the game. Upgrading EV is a bit annoying I think though.

reneseeters
09-29-2015, 10:56 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCDEmjKiN0E

At 1:50.. Evie's notebook talks about her hunt for the schroud of eden.. sooo.. thats confirmed now :P

Moultonborough
09-29-2015, 11:17 AM
At 1:50.. Evie's notebook talks about her hunt for the schroud of eden.. sooo.. thats confirmed now :P

It was confirmed by Ubisoft in the Evie gameplay they released at IIRC GamesCom.

reneseeters
09-29-2015, 11:33 AM
It was confirmed by Ubisoft in the Evie gameplay they released at IIRC GamesCom.

Oh.. sorry .. missed that one :P

Moultonborough
09-29-2015, 11:47 AM
No need to apologize lol. I missed it too for quite awhile ;)

flyin-bart
09-29-2015, 05:31 PM
Out of interest anyone know where the last Ubi press event took place? apparently it was a disused power station, was it in London?

VestigialLlama4
09-29-2015, 08:18 PM
Charles Darwin Mission Put this on Top


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kyrEt8LTMko

Charleyyy1
09-30-2015, 02:09 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNtgX3ixwxo



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qr37Et3eyoc

Assassin_M
09-30-2015, 02:38 AM
Watching more of these cutscenes, Jacob seems more and more unlikable. This can be good if he has a cohesive character that has a clear start, climax and end.

I don't know what to say about Evie.....She seems very bland to me, so far. There's nothing really interesting about her.

London, though....Oh god, I'm gonna be roaming that place for hours.

Moultonborough
09-30-2015, 03:41 AM
Out of interest anyone know where the last Ubi press event took place? apparently it was a disused power station, was it in London?

Yes it was. A couple of them mentioned it but a passing comment when it came to gameplay.

EDIT: In reply to M (IMO) I don't think he is "unlikable" so much but he's just one of those people who doesn't care too much about what happens. Seems to just be very care free and naive which could come back at him at some point. Ubisoft has been describing him as such and they accomplished it if this is a fully representation of the final build. When it comes to Evie...... I like her but it appears that she is being maybe too serious to make up for Jacob's care free attitude. So I could understand how it may be too bland for people. But her needing to make up for her brother affects how she acts. If he was to change I think Evie would also in response. Of course though it's not out yet so it could be possibly it is different from what everyone thinks of them.

legendvinu
09-30-2015, 08:31 AM
Thanks a lot Mr.Locopells so nice of you LOL

EmptyCrustacean
09-30-2015, 08:52 AM
Watching more of these cutscenes, Jacob seems more and more unlikable. This can be good if he has a cohesive character that has a clear start, climax and end.

I don't know what to say about Evie.....She seems very bland to me, so far. There's nothing really interesting about her.

London, though....Oh god, I'm gonna be roaming that place for hours.

I think Jacob is supposed to be a bit of a knob but I think he will very much get some character development. I disagree about Evie being bland. If you observe closely you'll see that she's very shrewd. She understands that if you do favours for people they owe you one. This is why she is always so quick to jump in and assist the side characters with their problems. I actually find her quite charming.

Assassin_M
09-30-2015, 09:06 AM
I think Jacob is supposed to be a bit of a knob but I think he will very much get some character development. I disagree about Evie being bland. If you observe closely you'll see that she's very shrewd. She understands that if you do favours for people they owe you one. This is why she is always so quick to jump in and assist the side characters with their problems. I actually find her quite charming.
I noticed that too, but it doesn't do anything for me, to be honest. I mean, okay, she's smart and she manipulates situations to her favor.....that's like every action hero ever. Compare Evie to someone like Mary Read. Evie seems to be a constant foil for Jacob, she's built up like that and it works, I guess, but that's all there is to her so far. Mary Read on the other hand had a mild personality, yet was very witty and sharp. She can also be very threatening....in a scary way. Evie seems to be nothing of the sort. So far, she's portrayed very...Jeez I hate to sound repetitive, but she's just very bland. The way she talks, her mannerisms. It just doesn't appeal to me, there's no "it" factor in Evie. There doesn't seem to be an end goal for her character arc. She seems to be controlling, I guess? Focused? But what's her arc supposed to be about? What makes her tick? Oh she's the serious, stealthy and smart Assassin. Just sounds like Ubi PR talk.





EDIT: In reply to M (IMO) I don't think he is "unlikable" so much but he's just one of those people who doesn't care too much about what happens. Seems to just be very care free and naive which could come back at him at some point. Ubisoft has been describing him as such and they accomplished it if this is a fully representation of the final build. When it comes to Evie...... I like her but it appears that she is being maybe too serious to make up for Jacob's care free attitude. So I could understand how it may be too bland for people. But her needing to make up for her brother affects how she acts. If he was to change I think Evie would also in response. Of course though it's not out yet so it could be possibly it is different from what everyone thinks of them.

Edward was the same way, though. He was naive and carefree, but there was something about him that was likable. Jacob just seems like a ******* to me. Edward was kind of the adorable *******, the dumb clumsy hero. There's just nothing to Jacob to counter how I feel about him right now. Edward had his friends, whom he loved to death, but Jacob has Evie and they're constantly bickering, from what we'v seen. He also doesn't seem interested in anybody or anything. Like I said, though, this could be great if he has a good arc. Here's hoping.

EmptyCrustacean
09-30-2015, 11:10 AM
I noticed that too, but it doesn't do anything for me, to be honest. I mean, okay, she's smart and she manipulates situations to her favor.....that's like every action hero ever. Compare Evie to someone like Mary Read. Evie seems to be a constant foil for Jacob, she's built up like that and it works, I guess, but that's all there is to her so far. Mary Read on the other hand had a mild personality, yet was very witty and sharp. She can also be very threatening....in a scary way. Evie seems to be nothing of the sort. So far, she's portrayed very...Jeez I hate to sound repetitive, but she's just very bland. The way she talks, her mannerisms. It just doesn't appeal to me, there's no "it" factor in Evie. There doesn't seem to be an end goal for her character arc. She seems to be controlling, I guess? Focused? But what's her arc supposed to be about? What makes her tick? Oh she's the serious, stealthy and smart Assassin. Just sounds like Ubi PR talk.

The voice actor said Evie does have a personal arc of her own and that sometimes her planning and tendency to comb over her ideas can work against her. Plus she's in love with Henry Green...
We'll see, I guess.


On a side note, I don't trust Henry Green. I watched the video where he got kidnapped and I am convinced that was his plan all along but I'm just speculating.

Farlander1991
09-30-2015, 06:46 PM
There's just nothing to Jacob to counter how I feel about him right now.

Not even this part? :(
http://40.media.tumblr.com/4e01a78f0601e11d1e10c8490664083f/tumblr_inline_nv7jixQCZi1r1nhg3_1280.jpg
"And my rooks"?


but Jacob has Evie and they're constantly bickering, from what we'v seen.

I gather you're the only child in the family? :p Jacob and Evie are a really good representation of a sibling relationship (the most common one at least), they bicker, they fight, but yet ultimately they love one another.

I do think that Jacob sometimes acts like a ****, but ultimately, he's a charming **** with good goals.

BananaBlighter
09-30-2015, 07:00 PM
Not even this part? :(
http://40.media.tumblr.com/4e01a78f0601e11d1e10c8490664083f/tumblr_inline_nv7jixQCZi1r1nhg3_1280.jpg
"And my rooks"?



I gather you're the only child in the family? :p Jacob and Evie are a really good representation of a sibling relationship (the most common one at least), they bicker, they fight, but yet ultimately they love one another.

I do think that Jacob sometimes acts like a ****, but ultimately, he's a charming **** with good goals.

This! :D

Assassin_M
09-30-2015, 08:14 PM
Not even this part? :(
http://40.media.tumblr.com/4e01a78f0601e11d1e10c8490664083f/tumblr_inline_nv7jixQCZi1r1nhg3_1280.jpg
"And my rooks"?

Ehhhhhh, okay, it was kind of funny, but they also kind of over do it. I remain hopeful for him, though. I loved his sassy remarks and making fun of Graham Bell.




I gather you're the only child in the family? :p Jacob and Evie are a really good representation of a sibling relationship (the most common one at least), they bicker, they fight, but yet ultimately they love one another.

I do think that Jacob sometimes acts like a ****, but ultimately, he's a charming **** with good goals.
Hahaaaaa, far from the truth. I'm the eldest of 3 brothers :p My brother and I bicker almost everyday and the twins' bickering is portrayed very realistically, i'll admit. What I meant about that is that we'v seen nothing BUT bickering so far, you know what I mean? Maybe there'll be more varied interaction between them in the game, maybe some tenderer moments and honestly, that's what i'm waiting for.

Farlander1991
09-30-2015, 08:25 PM
What I meant about that is that we'v seen nothing BUT bickering so far, you know what I mean?

No, I don't :p Cause in sequence 3 alone there's fare more than just bickering. And I can't wait to see more of those two characters.

Assassin_M
09-30-2015, 08:36 PM
No, I don't :p Cause in sequence 3 alone there's fare more than just bickering. And I can't wait to see more of those two characters.
Okay, show me a scene with them where they're not bickering :P

EmptyCrustacean
09-30-2015, 09:34 PM
Okay, show me a scene with them where they're not bickering :P

Jacob: have fun!
Evie: don't die!

In fact, the story trailer has plenty of moments where they're not bickering. Granted, it's all out of context.

Farlander1991
09-30-2015, 09:34 PM
Okay, show me a scene with them where they're not bickering :P

Well, that scene from the screenshot where Jacob says 'and my rooks', for starters :p (that's a different scene from the rooftop one where they argue about the plan). Then there's stuff like when they take the train hideout (unless you count 'I'm not doing anything until this gets fixed' as bickering, which, quite frankly, is not), like when they meet with Bell (and when Evie comes back to Bell after the second part of the mission), when they talk to ****ens and Darwin to get their questlines (though those are not the main path, but still), when they meet Abberline (in that scene Evie can't hold off her smile from Jacob's remarks regarding the hairy old lady that looks like a policeman), and that's not even the whole list, and that's just from Sequence 3.

Then there's also difference between friendly banter and bickering, like when there's the exchange 'I see what you're saying Evie. We need The Rooks' - 'You are not starting a band called the Rooks!' - that exchange is an argument of sorts, sure, but not with aggressive connotations (unlike the end of Sequence 3 when they fight about the further plan... again :D ).

EmptyCrustacean
09-30-2015, 09:40 PM
Or how about the entire Charles ****ens scene?
Evie says she believes in ghosts and Jacob looks at her surprised like 'what are you up to?'
And she's like 'trust me'.

Or even the scene before that where they share a giggle because the crazy man shouts "death follows thee!"

BananaBlighter
09-30-2015, 09:52 PM
Twin banter :o

EmptyCrustacean
09-30-2015, 10:22 PM
I also think the bickering is due to Ubisoft being petrified that Tumblr would make weird slash fiction memes so they're trying to erase any trace of perceived sexual tension between the twins.

ze_topazio
10-01-2015, 12:26 AM
^ There's nothing Ubisoft can do about it.

You know, Rule 34 of the Internet: "If it exists, there is porn of it, no exceptions"

Assassin_M
10-01-2015, 03:03 AM
Man, you guys keep bringing up scenes from gameplays and trailers and these are precisely what I disliked about their interactions.....I don't know why, but you guys say it's funny and i'm thinking the opposite of funny. Maybe I'm weird.

VestigialLlama4
10-01-2015, 03:42 AM
Man, you guys keep bringing up scenes from gameplays and trailers and these are precisely what I disliked about their interactions.....I don't know why, but you guys say it's funny and i'm thinking the opposite of funny. Maybe I'm weird.

Nah, I don't like the twin banter myself. Neither of the characters strike me as especially interesting and it's a game that seems overly satisfied and full of itself. It's perfectly British in that sense.

Consus_E
10-01-2015, 03:42 AM
Man, you guys keep bringing up scenes from gameplays and trailers and these are precisely what I disliked about their interactions.....I don't know why, but you guys say it's funny and i'm thinking the opposite of funny. Maybe I'm weird.

I think the issue is that the twins work better as a duo. Perhaps you are looking at them too much individually, where instead they should be seen as two sides of the same coin that propel the narrative.

VestigialLlama4
10-01-2015, 03:55 AM
I think the issue is that the twins work better as a duo. Perhaps you are looking at them too much individually, where instead they should be seen as two sides of the same coin that propel the narrative.

That's not necessarily the case. AC3 had two protagonists and both of them were different as night and day. In any case the Frye twins are too individualistic, they keep bickering and backbiting each other, that's not what you usually see with fraternal twins. I mean yes they would tease each other a lot but for them to be close enough to both join the Assassins and do missions together, there should be a more loving bond than what we see. Fraternal twins that don't get along and want to separate usually do separate and go their own way.

So the presentation is already separating them and individualising them, only to a greater than needed extent and as individuals they are not interesting, Jacob is your basic video game dudebro and Evie is this wallflower who we are supposed to get behind for being kick-a-- but is actually kind of bland in personality. It's also the dynamic of boys-will-be-boys and girls-are-more-responsible and that is sexist.

In the case of Unity, where you had a couple and not twins, Elise's characterization initially wasn't sexist, finally it did become gratuitously and typically sexist but it wasn't so from the onset. In that, Arno and Elise were essentially similar in being troublemakers at heart, the narrative ruined it in that Arno is the guy who "sees the light" while Elise goes on the "wrong path" and it becomes the classic plot of girlfriend who disobeys her boyfriend and gets struck by bolt of divine retribution. Maybe Syndicate will reverse that, it starts with a sexist schema and abandons that as the story goes.

maniyea122
10-01-2015, 04:42 AM
The only thing that I find compelling in this story is the Evie X Henry interactions, the rest I will have to wait and see, but it is looking better then Unity's story already. Im already favouring Evie over Jacob.

pacmanate
10-01-2015, 01:38 PM
The only thing that I find compelling in this story is the Evie X Henry interactions, the rest I will have to wait and see, but it is looking better then Unity's story already. Im already favouring Evie over Jacob.

Oh they're definitely gonna sex it up.

maniyea122
10-01-2015, 02:26 PM
Oh they're definitely gonna sex it up.



Is the story divided 50 - 50 between both twins? Or does it favour one of them more? As I said before the more I see from the story the more slightly excited I get.. and at first I thought it was just me noticing the sly looks they were giving each other and the awkward touching/looking away stares then when I started watching more cutscenes it became a little more obvious with the "Be careful" and "Did they hurt you" comments from Evie.. should be interesting.. wink wink..

Locopells
10-01-2015, 02:30 PM
The story favours Jacob roughly 70/30.

maniyea122
10-01-2015, 02:43 PM
The story favours Jacob roughly 70/30.


Don't know why they didn't just equally split it, I'm wondering If Evie will get the same screen time/cutscenes as Jacob.. or is it just a missions thing.

Farlander1991
10-01-2015, 04:59 PM
Man, you guys keep bringing up scenes from gameplays and trailers and these are precisely what I disliked about their interactions.....I don't know why, but you guys say it's funny and i'm thinking the opposite of funny. Maybe I'm weird.

Well, I wouldn't call all their interactions funny, far from it. But they're still good interactions.


Elise's characterization initially wasn't sexist, finally it did become gratuitously and typically sexist but it wasn't so from the onset. In that, Arno and Elise were essentially similar in being troublemakers at heart, the narrative ruined it in that Arno is the guy who "sees the light" while Elise goes on the "wrong path" and it becomes the classic plot of girlfriend who disobeys her boyfriend and gets struck by bolt of divine retribution.

That is debatable. While there's a connotation of dangers of fanaticism in ACU's storyline where every person who adheres to some extreme dies, Elise also proves herself right to Arno. There's a very good article about this here (https://www.vg247.com/2014/11/21/assassins-creed-unity-elise-writing-pc-ps4-xbox-one/). Near the end of it it tackles precisely the question, 'And now, what? Are we supposed to be like, she made a mistake and Arno was right all along, because she did need saving?', the answer to which is - no, that's not what we are supposed to think. You may disagree with this of course, but it does raise a lot of valid points.

VestigialLlama4
10-01-2015, 06:35 PM
That is debatable. While there's a connotation of dangers of fanaticism in ACU's storyline where every person who adheres to some extreme dies, Elise also proves herself right to Arno. There's a very good article about this here (https://www.vg247.com/2014/11/21/assassins-creed-unity-elise-writing-pc-ps4-xbox-one/). Near the end of it it tackles precisely the question, 'And now, what? Are we supposed to be like, she made a mistake and Arno was right all along, because she did need saving?', the answer to which is - no, that's not what we are supposed to think. You may disagree with this of course, but it does raise a lot of valid points.

I can see where the writer is coming from, but to me the presentation ruins the whole thing. Arno's final monologue is a warning about the dangers of fanaticism and the like and that certainly gives a sense that obsession is bad and that Arno is meant to be "right".


FROM THE ARTICLE:
(As an aside, the scene when Arno very slowly presses the hidden blade up into the villainís brain, complete with sound effects and Ubisoftís incredible facial animations, is one of the most intellectually gruesome moments I have ever experienced in a video game, and far more emotive than a blow struck in wild anger and shouting would have been.)

Arno sadistically murdering the bad guy because "you killed my woman". To me it's totally unearned. This should have been Elise killing Germain because to quote her, "Did you think that because Francois de la Serre did not have sons his death will go unavenged?". I mean that was badass. Well it turned out that Old Man de la Serre did have sons after all, here comes Arno. Elise was Lady Ezio, her father was murdered and she's an outcast and has to reclaim her Order and family legacy.

In any case storywise if you are making a point about obsession and fanaticism, it should have been Arno who died. The point of any kind of cautionary tale, as UNITY is essentially, is that the innocent are the ones who truly suffer, the ones who are extreme and fanatic tend to last longer and they are the last to die, but not before wondering if what they did was worth it or not. Then there's the inconsistency, Unity has Elise saying I don't need your help and then Arno becomes a drunk in Versailles for a year while people are being guillotined around the country, and then after pestering some village people he gets his Daddy's watch and then Elise says, "You are my only hope, please save France and help me".To me if it turned out in the end that she used Arno to get to Germain and the Codex and the Sword, that would have made sense, because it doesn't do her credit at all.

Black Flag struck me as more mature. Edward Kenway doesn't feel superior to the other characters. In the end he's like "how is it that I survived while good people like Mary Read died". That song at the end, "Since it falls unto my lot/that I should rise and you should not" touches on that. Unity doesn't achieve anything like that because Arno is too, I hate this phrase, too staid and he's not implicated in the story. I mean Connor at the end of AC3, you felt bad for the guy because you know he believed, he acted and he got his hands burnt. There was a sense of a character earning his right to be sad. I don't think Arno works, because it's Elise's story in the end.

GunnarGunderson
10-01-2015, 06:40 PM
Don't know why they didn't just equally split it, I'm wondering If Evie will get the same screen time/cutscenes as Jacob.. or is it just a missions thing.

If I had to guess, I'd say it's because she wasn't originally intended to be playable but after the Unity fiasco (which was totally unjustified considering why you couldn't play as a woman in co-op) they took Jacob out of a bunch of missions and threw her in instead.

EmptyCrustacean
10-01-2015, 07:08 PM
Is the story divided 50 - 50 between both twins? Or does it favour one of them more? As I said before the more I see from the story the more slightly excited I get.. and at first I thought it was just me noticing the sly looks they were giving each other and the awkward touching/looking away stares then when I started watching more cutscenes it became a little more obvious with the "Be careful" and "Did they hurt you" comments from Evie.. should be interesting.. wink wink..

When did she say "did they hurt you?" Please refer me to the video lol

Farlander1991
10-01-2015, 07:17 PM
I can see where the writer is coming from, but to me the presentation ruins the whole thing. Arno's final monologue is a warning about the dangers of fanaticism and the like and that certainly gives a sense that obsession is bad and that Arno is meant to be "right".

It does that to an extent, but Arno's monologue doesn't contradict the writer's point. In that final cutscene, if you don't look at it from the perspective of 'Arno was right and Elise was wrong', you notice that Arno, is, in fact, talking about himself. When he says 'only we can guard ourselves against our obsessions' when he's at Elise's grave it's easy to assume that the phrase is targeted at Elise - that her obsession was revenge and she didn't guard herself from it. But here's the thing. Elise was Arno's obsession (an obsession which, which, by the way, has led to Elise's actual death in the first place). Not just love, but obsession. Arno is the target of that phrase. Which is, incidentally, shortly followed by the phrase 'We believe ourselves to be redeemers, avengers, saviors', that Arno targets at himself as well.

Because he did believe himself to be all that, and, if you think about it, he was a fanatic/extremist as well. Not in political sense, but it's easy to assume, and that's what I assumed as well at first, that in this story Arno is a moderate. But he's not, there's nothing moderate about his actions. Everything he does in the game, he does for one reason - Elise, and he blatantly states it at one point to her as well. He kills Elise's only ally because he thought he was a threat, he kills Bellec because he was a threat to Elise, he doesn't kill Germain (which would've stopped everything right there) because he thought that the thugs were a threat. Heck, he's so obsessed with Elise that he doesn't actually really take take the target of his obsession into account with his actions. And all the Templars he kills in the game, does he kill them because of the French Revolution, because of what is happening to the country? No, he kills them because Elise.

So the end speech, while it's said in a way that applies to everybody, touching on the topic of religion and political extremists, Arno targets at himself. In this game, he's the fanatic, and he's the fanatic who outlived everyone.

VestigialLlama4
10-01-2015, 08:09 PM
It does that to an extent, but Arno's monologue doesn't contradict the writer's point. In that final cutscene, if you don't look at it from the perspective of 'Arno was right and Elise was wrong', you notice that Arno, is, in fact, talking about himself. When he says 'only we can guard ourselves against our obsessions' when he's at Elise's grave it's easy to assume that the phrase is targeted at Elise - that her obsession was revenge and she didn't guard herself from it. But here's the thing. Elise was Arno's obsession (an obsession which, which, by the way, has led to Elise's actual death in the first place). Not just love, but obsession. Arno is the target of that phrase. Which is, incidentally, shortly followed by the phrase 'We believe ourselves to be redeemers, avengers, saviors', that Arno targets at himself as well.

Because he did believe himself to be all that, and, if you think about it, he was a fanatic/extremist as well. Not in political sense, but it's easy to assume, and that's what I assumed as well at first, that in this story Arno is a moderate. But he's not, there's nothing moderate about his actions. Everything he does in the game, he does for one reason - Elise, and he blatantly states it at one point to her as well. He kills Elise's only ally because he thought he was a threat, he kills Bellec because he was a threat to Elise, he doesn't kill Germain (which would've stopped everything right there) because he thought that the thugs were a threat. Heck, he's so obsessed with Elise that he doesn't actually really take take the target of his obsession into account with his actions. And all the Templars he kills in the game, does he kill them because of the French Revolution, because of what is happening to the country? No, he kills them because Elise.

So the end speech, while it's said in a way that applies to everybody, touching on the topic of religion and political extremists, Arno targets at himself. In this game, he's the fanatic, and he's the fanatic who outlived everyone.

Arno does go to pieces without Elise. He goes drunk every time she leaves him. At the start of Dead Kings he's a drunk again, so he's obsessively fixated on her, but you know it's hard to separate that from genuine concern and affection. And the fact is Arno's obsession with stopping Germain is not really his goal. It's Elise's goal and he's along for the ride. The story and plot is essentially that Arno wants to save Elise and that she needs saving. She keeps telling you that she doesn't need saving and that he should trust her but you know the lady doth protest too much.

To me the end of Unity is like the end of Arkham City, where Batman had this ninja girlfriend, Talia, who he tries to save from her obsessive ideological beliefs which she wants to convert him into. And then she puts herself at risk to force him to save her, and then just when you think she's actually smart and can take herself, she ends up being killed in a stupid fashion by the bad guy. It also happens in an underground lair. The difference is there it's his goal that she dies for, whereas here it's her own goals that the heroine dies for while her boyfriend mourns her. It's not anything different in essence. For me it would have been a better critique of Arno's obsessions and fixations on Elise in that after they kill Germain, Elise becomes the Templar Grandmaster and walks out of Arno's life. I mean I think that would have been a more mature take on that then for her to die, that ultimately she really does value her father's legacy more than him, which she does while Arno values Elise more than the Assassins, so there's that imblance in that relationship which adds tension that Arno is the giver and Elise is the taker, and that's kind of refreshing, they could have and should have built on that but you know they didn't do it. There's also the issue of whether Arno would return to the Assassins afterwards since that would essentially mean that eventually he and Elise would face each other in conflict or battle and you know it would be ambiguous in terms of the plot whether the cycle of extremism in the revolution ever really ended. And of course it didn't really end since there were more revolutions after that, more factionalism and more violence. And obviously the Assassins and Templars are still fighting each other.

Here the message is these lovebirds would have been fine if it hadn't been for these bad guys. It's like there was no problems within their relationship, no issues that actually separated them. You can say there are moments in the game that say otherwise but ultimately how the story ends is what counts, it's what defines the whole thing.

VestigialLlama4
10-03-2015, 09:44 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=146&v=QaWbs8okhiw

Video on Music Choices. Apparently there will be Murder Ballads after every Assassination Mission.

EmptyCrustacean
10-03-2015, 10:09 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=146&v=QaWbs8okhiw

Video on Music Choices. Apparently there will be Murder Ballads after every Assassination Mission.

I'm telling you, this game is going to be great. Everybody is acting like a bitter Ex after Unity and doesn't want to admit anything positive.

maniyea122
10-03-2015, 10:26 AM
When did she say "did they hurt you?" Please refer me to the video lol


When she goes to save Henry after he is captured and tied to the chair.

EmptyCrustacean
10-03-2015, 10:33 AM
When she goes to save Henry after he is captured and tied to the chair.

I don't remember that. Could you provide a video link?

Locopells
10-03-2015, 11:09 AM
Updated OP.

Charleyyy1
10-05-2015, 04:33 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PR68_ytPpEU



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9UdGVgWVJs

Danny_rx7
10-20-2015, 10:09 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqcrKAMSobQ

RVSage
10-21-2015, 07:56 PM
Big day tomorrow , Reviews are out tomorrow, Did ubisoft manage to pull it off? Well we will know tomorrow :d

Moultonborough
10-21-2015, 08:18 PM
About 16 hours to go before we see what they think. Should be interesting to see the results.

maenthoven
10-22-2015, 04:41 PM
https://i.imgur.com/pu5U89t.png (http://opencritic.com/#!game/1660/assassins-creed-syndicate)

lothario-da-be
10-22-2015, 04:44 PM
Anyone who knows anything about the lenght of the game? I know it is 9 sequences long but the amount of missions in a sequence can vary. unity truly dissapointed me with it's short story.

Danny_rx7
10-23-2015, 12:54 AM
Based on Youtube walkthroughs, I would say ~13 hours.

LieutenantRex
10-23-2015, 01:12 AM
I liked Anita Sarkeesian's review.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OzKTAYkyTE