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Chuck_Older
01-18-2004, 04:37 PM
I just replaced a 17" old CRT type monitor with a 17" LCD.

WOW

This NEC Multisync LCD 1765 has a larger diagnol screen than my old monitor, sits at a better height, weighs about 1/4 as the old one, and it looks simply stunning! I don't know much about these things but hokey smokes Bullwinkle, it's like looking at the computer screen for the first time all over again.

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Chuck_Older
01-18-2004, 04:37 PM
I just replaced a 17" old CRT type monitor with a 17" LCD.

WOW

This NEC Multisync LCD 1765 has a larger diagnol screen than my old monitor, sits at a better height, weighs about 1/4 as the old one, and it looks simply stunning! I don't know much about these things but hokey smokes Bullwinkle, it's like looking at the computer screen for the first time all over again.

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LEXX_Luthor
01-18-2004, 04:41 PM
How are the grafix in FB?

What is the advertised reaction time or whatever they call it for LCD?

Would you recommend LCD for flight sims?

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arcadeace
01-18-2004, 05:20 PM
I'm glad your happy, I am too. I purchased mine about a week and a half ago. It's very nice, runs FB without a hitch. It has the fastest reaction time (16), makes gaming very accurate, as long as you don't mind 1280x1024 resolution limit. I don't even use that. The big plus for me is no more eye strain. Its a huge benefit. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Cajun76
01-18-2004, 07:26 PM
Doing a little bit of research. If the moniter 'natively' supports 1280 X 1024, will it have trouble displaying something less? I know it won't go higher. I still like to play StarCraft, from time to time, and it runs at about 800 X 600, I believe. Would there be a problem? I currently run FB in 1600 X 1200, so I would most likely get a LCD that supports this.

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ip_fat
01-18-2004, 08:06 PM
tomÔ┬┤s hardware regarding response times and "afterglow" (important for gamers)

http://www4.tomshardware.com/display/20030626/index.html


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VW-IceFire
01-18-2004, 09:27 PM
How are the games looking when not using a native resolution? This is one of the BIGGEST if not THE biggest problem I have with LCD's at the moment and the only thing preventing me from making the switch. The refresh rates on the CRT's drive me nuts so a no-refresh on or off LCD would be great.

The original LCD's that I looked at have a nasty look on them at non-native resolutions (over I can sort of understand, under is less acceptable).

So have they come a long way?

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arcadeace
01-18-2004, 11:14 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
How are the games looking when not using a native resolution? This is one of the BIGGEST if not THE biggest problem I have with LCD's at the moment and the only thing preventing me from making the switch. The refresh rates on the CRT's drive me nuts so a no-refresh on or off LCD would be great.

The original LCD's that I looked at have a nasty look on them at non-native resolutions (over I can sort of understand, under is less acceptable).

So have they come a long way?

- IceFire
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I assume the newest quality LCD monitors are similar but I can only speak for NEC's MultiSync. I can go with any resolution up to 1280 x 1024, and there's no problem what so ever. I play FB at 1024x768 which is what I have for my desktop. Initially I tried 800x600, my eyes are not very good, but it was so clear, and with no strain I raised it. Brightness is not an issue either. This is 225 compared to Sony's 400 which I first tried and then returned. I still turn the gamma down to a comfortable level, it has no problem comparing to my Viewsonic, which is a 17" perfect flat tube. Again I'll repeat, I have no eye strain, period. Its a pleasure and one of my best investments PC related.

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SpinSpinSugar
01-19-2004, 06:50 AM
I probably have a similar panel to arcadeace, mine also has a 16ms refresh and a native of 1280x1024 (Hitachi CML174SXW). I have no problems with FB at this resolution (set in the conf.ini file). The speed is fine and the colours vibrant.

This panel will do any lower resolution but bear in mind some emulations are better than others. On the Hitachi, the 1024x768 is excellent and fine for games, but with a 9600Pro I don't have any games now that won't sit happily at my desktop resolution of 1280x1024.

The ONLY thing (and I do mean the only thing) that my CRT did better (and I wouldn't switch back for the world) was pure black. For some reason on this panel (and this is only really noticable with the lights down) "pure" black looks distinctly different to "almost" black - this is only really noticable flying FS2004 around at night. Anyone else noticed this or is it just me? Is it because the pure black pixels are not powered up at all?

Cheers,

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Cess-Harp
01-19-2004, 07:39 AM
I have a lCD also and it it more than great.. no after glow and it is the best gaming monitor I ever had..

I have a Microtek 815C and it is an 18 inch monitor..
I can say one thing I will never go back to the old CRT monitors.. they look like crap compared to this one.

adlabs6
01-19-2004, 09:14 AM
I have a KDS 17" Rad 7C panel. After a couple months use, I would not go back to a CRT, budget permitting. My eyestrain has vanished. The image has no image blurring, and at 17" and 1280x1024 this makes the LCD more readable than my old CRT.

The response time on my panel is 25ms, and while not up to "gaming spec" I have not even remotely been bothered by this in games or movies. I fly FS2004 (at 1280x1024) very often, FB (at 1024x768) occasionally, and once in a while play games like UT2k3 (1280x1024), and never have I felt that the LCD wasn't giving me a better picture than my old CRT.

More on gaming, the colors and sharpness of FS2004 are breathtaking compared to my old CRT. At higher resolutions FB is very good looking, as is the LOMAC demo. Running games at lower resolutions has not been a problem for me. While the native of 1280x1024 does appear a bit sharper, FB looks good enough at 1024x768 that I never have noticed problems. Other games like SimGolf run at 800x600 (I think), and they look fine as well.

I have also noticed that black tones are not perfect, but it only shows on my panel if the screen is mostly black. If there is a black area surrounded by normal mid and light tones, it's like a CRT. Just like SpinSpinSugar, I notice this mostly when flying at night in FS2004, when the screen is mostly black.

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Rajvosa
01-19-2004, 09:21 AM
Funny! I sit whole day in front of a LCD (Iyama, they are supposed to be good) and feel a great relief when I get home and sit in front of my NEC CRT! The colors are more vivid, no prob with refresh rates, no eyestrain, amazingly crisp and sharp image. How can this be? Now I'm asking my boss to get me a CRT instead of this LCD.

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arcadeace
01-19-2004, 10:59 AM
At present most LCDs don't show a perfect black. The problem is not in their ability to calculate black, its intrinsic with the background illumination technology. It affects the entire color range, but black is most noticable.

At this point with most quality LCDs the illumination is more evenly distributed and the 'washed effect' is less. I got used to it fast, the crispness and ease on the eyes overcomes it all day long.

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Chuck_Older
01-20-2004, 10:34 AM
Didn't mean to ignore questions anyone asked, just been working a lot.

I'm not sure of the technical aspects, but the graphics are so clear and well defined. I use 1024x768, which I find best for gaming. There is an auto-message on the NEC that you can diable that reminds you that the desktop is not at it's native resolution. Makes no difference as far as I can see, the picture is like looking through a window, it's so crisp. I am really impressed by this thing.

I noticed that black isn't what I was used to, but I messed around with the color settings on the video card and I was able to turn contrast and brightness way down on the monitor, while turning up vibrance, and tweaking the color a bit. The monitor has different color temperatures, too, so I messed around with that and I became satisfied with the way black is displayed. In FB, it's pretty much what mt old CRT was. The only game I notice a problem is Raven Sheild, and then only if in shadow. The colors black is a bit washed out. Not much, but a bit. When not in shadow, it is not noticeable, at least to me.

As far as eye strain, when I first hooked up the LCD, my eyes hurt in seconds. After I adjusted the brightness and vibrance on my video card, that disappeared and I have zero eyestrain.

I played a mission last night in my Leningrad campaign. It was at night. All I can say is that it was beautiful. The instrument illumination was incredible. I've seen it before but not with this new display it was like sitting in the cockpit, it was so clear. I nearly crashed the damn plane looking around the cockpit, it was like looking at FB the first time. My new Nvidia FX 5700 ultra was a huge improvent, but now I'm seeing clearly just what the card can do. I'll never go back to a CRT unless this thing makes my eyes burst into flame http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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