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XyZspineZyX
03-23-2003, 03:11 PM
This is an amazing sim....

Select the bomb-aimer's position in the four-engined TB-3 and watch the chart table as the plane banks left and right..
.......the red navigator's pencil rolls across the chart-table to match the movement of the plane...

I did notice however that the pencil appeared to be blunt and in need of sharpening...perhaps this could be rectified in the next patch?

I hope this helps

MB_Avro

XyZspineZyX
03-23-2003, 03:11 PM
This is an amazing sim....

Select the bomb-aimer's position in the four-engined TB-3 and watch the chart table as the plane banks left and right..
.......the red navigator's pencil rolls across the chart-table to match the movement of the plane...

I did notice however that the pencil appeared to be blunt and in need of sharpening...perhaps this could be rectified in the next patch?

I hope this helps

MB_Avro

XyZspineZyX
03-23-2003, 03:16 PM
MB_Avro wrote:
- I did notice however that the pencil appeared to be
- blunt and in need of sharpening...perhaps this could
- be rectified in the next patch?

Take your pencil-whining elsewhere if you please./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
03-23-2003, 03:27 PM
I've done some testing with that pencil and it appears that the roll-rate is undermodelled at higher speeds.

Go test for yourself. This sim appears to be biased towards Russian pencils.

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XyZspineZyX
03-23-2003, 03:56 PM
LOL. I like this thread! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
03-23-2003, 04:24 PM
With regard to my post...

I have examined the cockpit of the He 111 Luftwaffe bomber and it has a blue pencil for the navigator...this obviously complies with pencil skin requirements.

Additionally,the pencil is square in cross-section and obviuosly reduces table roll-rate at the expense of vertical performance.

Am I the first to notice this??


I hope this helps


MB_Avro

XyZspineZyX
03-23-2003, 04:28 PM
FW190fan wrote:
- I've done some testing with that pencil and it
- appears that the roll-rate is undermodelled at
- higher speeds.
-
- Go test for yourself. This sim appears to be biased
- towards Russian pencils.
-----------------------------------------------------

Your sources are wrong.
Pencil roll-rate is based on official TsAGI tests which prove the absolute maneuvering superiority of russian pencils on all altitudes.

Russian pencils that germans captured and tested were early
models in bad condition. That's why german tests claim that russian pencils are inferior.

Still, you should keep in mind that German pencils are controled automatically. Germans were using their pencils very effectively. Just keep your energy high when using Luftwaffe pencils.

BUT ! There are other issues with pencil modelling in the sim:

1) AI pencils are UBER !
2) High altitude handling of all modeled pencils is not realistic !
3) Some people online have their pencils on the slider !
That's cheating !
4) And why we still don't have any american or british pencils ?!! There were lend-lease pencils used on the Eastern front !



Message Edited on 03/23/0303:36PM by FPS_Stierlitz

XyZspineZyX
03-23-2003, 04:58 PM
May I suggest a visit to 'The Pencil Hall of Fame' within the Bugarov section of the Mkopski Institute in Moscow?

Tickets may be purchased from pentripe.co.uk on-line and include a souvenir pencil sharpener lovingly carved and polished by retired navigators.

I will supply performance data as and when available


I hope this helps

MB_Avro

XyZspineZyX
03-23-2003, 05:32 PM
Please stop! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif You guys are cracking me up! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

This is the most fun I`ve had while reading a forum! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif


Message Edited on 03/23/0304:33PM by SeaFireLIV

XyZspineZyX
03-23-2003, 05:50 PM
Hehe. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
You ain't seen nothing yet ! Just wait until we start posting charts and diagrams and quote pencil manuals ! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

XyZspineZyX
03-23-2003, 06:14 PM
sound interesting will have to see

Dont really know what it is that you have, untill its gone...

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DayGlow
03-23-2003, 06:24 PM
Just wait until they introduce the USAF hi-alt ball point pen. It will dominate. 8 ballpoint pens has way more writing power than 4 pencils.

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XyZspineZyX
03-23-2003, 06:39 PM
We should announce the new kind of whiners here in this community.

From now on - WE ARE PENCIL WHINERS ! LOL

XyZspineZyX
03-23-2003, 06:47 PM
Extensive testing has revealed the pencil FM/DM to be *PORKED*!

<toungue firmly in cheek>

Thanks for the laughs... /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif



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XyZspineZyX
03-24-2003, 09:30 AM
I am writing this with a restored navigator pencil

recovered from the wreakage of a Blenheim and I hope it

keeps writing ok because

XyZspineZyX
03-24-2003, 10:29 AM
The pencil model is broken.
Just put the plane in a negative G dive and see what the pencil does.

XyZspineZyX
03-24-2003, 10:37 AM
I feel that the armament of the pencil is also undermodelled...I just keep stabbing it through the side of my He111 and bits fly off but i see no damage... /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
03-24-2003, 10:47 AM
I keep trying to shoot down planes with that pencil but it seems to be out of lead /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

hmmm I wonder if I can put it on slider /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
03-24-2003, 11:03 AM
IMHO FB is the finest pencil sim I've ever played. I will not hear any rubbish about undermodelled pencils! I'm calling the mods to have this thread locked.

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XyZspineZyX
03-24-2003, 11:13 AM
Don't forget that Russian pencils eventually were sent to space, even beating the couple million $ US pencils! I don't think German pencils can claim that, even the Do217 flying pencil.

There sure needs some tweaking here.

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XyZspineZyX
03-24-2003, 04:51 PM
pourshot wrote:

I keep trying to shoot down planes with that pencil but it seems to be out of lead


You need to bind a key to "eat oysters and drink ******ss", that will put lead in your pencil.

XyZspineZyX
03-25-2003, 03:10 AM
HE HE /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
03-25-2003, 04:39 AM
Whatever you do with it, don't grab it and shake it more than twice.. or you'll be accused of playing with your pencil. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
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XyZspineZyX
03-25-2003, 05:21 AM
But does this man have lead in his pencil? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

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XyZspineZyX
03-25-2003, 11:24 PM
Please please please will someone model a Derwent (http://www.cumbrialakedistrict.com/pencil.htm) - finest all-round pencil EVER

XyZspineZyX
03-25-2003, 11:32 PM
I can't believe no one else has pointed out the obvious differences in roll rate created by pencils formed of Delta Wood.

Sheesh.

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XyZspineZyX
03-26-2003, 12:04 AM
LOL again! We should always have at least one moan thread like this. Nice work! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
Pencil Model analyst!


We`ll get Oleg to sort out the roll model of that pencil!!

XyZspineZyX
03-26-2003, 12:31 AM
American pencils SUCK !

hehe

This should`ve been in the PL.

Quality entertainment.


Lixma,

The Devil`s proudest Advocate.

XyZspineZyX
03-26-2003, 06:34 AM
Now only if we can have better map placement and mark off checkoints with that pencil http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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XyZspineZyX
03-26-2003, 09:15 AM
kennel,

How about this Bedouin word: 'Ayucka', which roughly translates to flying b*ttface /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
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XyZspineZyX
03-26-2003, 11:42 PM
FPS_Stierlitz wrote:
- FW190fan wrote:
-- I've done some testing with that pencil and it
-- appears that the roll-rate is undermodelled at
-- higher speeds.
--
-- Go test for yourself. This sim appears to be biased
-- towards Russian pencils.
------------------------------------------------------
-
- Your sources are wrong.
- Pencil roll-rate is based on official TsAGI tests
- which prove the absolute maneuvering superiority of
- russian pencils on all altitudes.
-
- Russian pencils that germans captured and tested
- were early
- models in bad condition. That's why german tests
- claim that russian pencils are inferior.
-
- Still, you should keep in mind that German pencils
- are controled automatically. Germans were using
- their pencils very effectively. Just keep your
- energy high when using Luftwaffe pencils.
-
- BUT ! There are other issues with pencil modelling
- in the sim:
-
- 1) AI pencils are UBER !
- 2) High altitude handling of all modeled pencils is
- not realistic !
- 3) Some people online have their pencils on the
- slider !
- That's cheating !
- 4) And why we still don't have any american or
- british pencils ?!! There were lend-lease pencils
- used on the Eastern front !
-
-
-
-
-
- Message Edited on 03/23/03‚ 03:36PM by
- FPS_Stierlitz



OH MY GOD i had fun reading this /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif i wal allmost rolling on floor /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif



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XyZspineZyX
03-27-2003, 12:05 AM
You really need to consider that the Russians weren't using perfectly round pencils. I believe they used an octagonal design. They experimented with different designs on prisoners in the 50s, but not much information was gathered from those tests (at least that is readily available).

Imagine the big pencils that the US eventually introduced. Remember those big fat round ones that you thought were so cool in second grade? Without the "octagonal design", these pencils were much smoother and faster- and their extra wieght really held E well.

I doubt Oleg will do justice to the American pencils though- if they are modeled as they should be, noone will go back to the primitive Russian designs- though they are more stable (with the octagonal design)- they don't lend themselves well to hard manuevering and E retention.

XyZspineZyX
03-27-2003, 12:23 AM
Ehem.. My father said he wrote his diary with various pencils when he was young.

He pointed out that pencil in TB-3 should roll faster.

For he used various pencils, I think it SHOULD be PATCHED in next Add-on.

XyZspineZyX
03-27-2003, 12:58 AM
More of this sort of thread please.

DayGlow
03-27-2003, 01:22 AM
FPS_Stierlitz wrote:
- FW190fan wrote:
-- I've done some testing with that pencil and it
-- appears that the roll-rate is undermodelled at
-- higher speeds.
--
-- Go test for yourself. This sim appears to be biased
-- towards Russian pencils.
------------------------------------------------------
-
- Your sources are wrong.
- Pencil roll-rate is based on official TsAGI tests
- which prove the absolute maneuvering superiority of
- russian pencils on all altitudes.
-
- Russian pencils that germans captured and tested
- were early
- models in bad condition. That's why german tests
- claim that russian pencils are inferior.
-
- Still, you should keep in mind that German pencils
- are controled automatically. Germans were using
- their pencils very effectively. Just keep your
- energy high when using Luftwaffe pencils.
-
- BUT ! There are other issues with pencil modelling
- in the sim:
-
- 1) AI pencils are UBER !
- 2) High altitude handling of all modeled pencils is
- not realistic !
- 3) Some people online have their pencils on the
- slider !
- That's cheating !
- 4) And why we still don't have any american or
- british pencils ?!! There were lend-lease pencils
- used on the Eastern front !
-
-
-
-
-
- Message Edited on 03/23/03‚ 03:36PM by
- FPS_Stierlitz

4) The americans didn't use pencils, but ball point pens. Much better technology. The standard load out was 6 to 8 ball point pens vs the 4 pencils that Russians or Germans carried. The overall weight of writing of the 8 ball point pens is heavier than 4 pencils.

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XyZspineZyX
03-27-2003, 01:25 AM
DayGlow wrote:
-- 4) The americans didn't use pencils, but ball point
- pens. Much better technology. The standard load out
- was 6 to 8 ball point pens vs the 4 pencils that
- Russians or Germans carried. The overall weight of
- writing of the 8 ball point pens is heavier than 4
- pencils.

Of course you don't mention that the 8ball pt pens have to be dropped before you enter a dogfight. Not very convenient considering the tactical situation at the time, especially after 1943.

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XyZspineZyX
03-27-2003, 01:29 AM
-
- I doubt Oleg will do justice to the American pencils
- though- if they are modeled as they should be, noone
- will go back to the primitive Russian designs-
- though they are more stable (with the octagonal
- design)- they don't lend themselves well to hard
- manuevering and E retention.
-
-

Ah yes,but the octagonal pencils greater stability makes it a superior platform for stabbing He111s with...

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XyZspineZyX
03-27-2003, 01:55 AM
What a bunch of BS, I can't believe I bought this sim. You'll notice that in the TB-3, the "pencil roll" affect was modeled, but with a massive Russian bias. It magically stops at the edge of the table, so you get all the benefits of pencil rolling, with NOT A SINGLE DRAWBACK!

Then test the He-111...the pencil rolling effect ISN'T EVEN MODELLED! This is crap, I can't believe something like this could get past the beta testers, I bet they're all working for Microshaft on the side. Everyone knows that German pencils were finely engineered and had the best rolling charicteristics of any pencil in use in Europe at the time, especially before 1944.

And I bet if we get a B-17, they'll give us a ball point pen - but modelled on data from Russian tests of captured examples. Needless to say, Oleg's rendering of the ball point pen will fly in the face of every piece of expert testimony in the world, and he'll be forced to correct it in a later patch when his Russian bias is again exposed.

Just another example of FB being nothing but "tales from siberia"

Cheers,

Panzerman

XyZspineZyX
03-27-2003, 02:12 AM
^ That's exactly what ticks me off about this game.

I can almost guarantee that, because it's Russian, it rolls at least 25% easier than they did historically- nevermind the fact that they don't fall off the table- it's complete BS.

There are dozens of test reports out there of much better pencils that were tested under controlled conditions- but oh well.. let's just go by the biased tests that the Russians did. Yeah, that's realism folks- what's the point in even bringing in the American ball-points, anyway?!?! You know they won't roll well- and yet they'll still roll far enough to just fall right off the table. Such crap- but what can you do? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

XyZspineZyX
03-27-2003, 02:33 AM
The roll rate of American Ballpoints has been consistently overrated by certain community members.They want pens that excel at BnZ while still being able to Turn'N'Burn...these penwhiners simply cannot be pleased!

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After all this,wont you give me a smile?"

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XyZspineZyX
03-27-2003, 03:05 AM
Let me direct you all to two fine works on this long ignored facet of WWII. In both, "Battling Pencils Of World War II" and "Secret Pencil Development 1939-1945", it is revealed that tin used to encompass the standard German issue "Erasenrubben", was in critically short supply by mid 1943.

Allied bombing strikes against pencil production facilities also hampered the tooling required to keep pencil specs within pre-war standards. German pencils thus tended to roll at rates of less than 15 revolutions per/20cm, as compared to the normal 18. The shaft detached from the erasenrubbne in as little as 1G maneuvers due to stress on the inferior tin banding.

It's another of the "What IF?" scenarios on how long the war would have been prolonged if the German NO. 2.5 pencil had ever made it off the drawing board.


I can't wait to see new pencil skins!

XyZspineZyX
03-27-2003, 03:12 AM
Can the pecil be mapped to a slider?
Chris

XyZspineZyX
03-27-2003, 03:35 AM
LMFAO @ "Erasenrubben" and "...if the German NO. 2.5 pencil had ever made it off the drawing board.."

Lol Clyde_N_Burns that was friggin hilarious!!! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
03-27-2003, 03:43 AM
My research on Clydes sources shows his claims about the NO 2.5 to be entirely spurious.

The USAAF project Blue Biro shows conclusively that the XP-99EN Rollerball would have outperformed the NO 2.5 in all areas,largely thanks to it's extrmely tough plastic construction which reduced the risk of leaks due to battle damage.

The Russian BIC-1 rocket pen is also an extremely underrated competitor in this area.Designed by a reclusive Czech genius,NKAP teats showed that this instrument pointed the way to the eventual replacemnt of pencils by pens in all navigators stations.

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After all this,wont you give me a smile?"

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XyZspineZyX
03-27-2003, 04:53 AM
That research is hard to come by. How'd you get it? Do you have a link?

It would be interesting to find out, now that many secret files are being opened since Glasnost, just how many Russian airman died in Bic-1 tests. There were rumors for years that dotting "i"s at altitude was particularly hazardous. I don't think they ever made to advance testing using High Altitude Flourish Scripting.

XyZspineZyX
03-27-2003, 12:06 PM
My original post on this topic has spurred me to carry out further academic research.

May I draw your attention to 'Pencil Squadron Scramble'?

This fine book, now sadly out of print,relates the combat experience of a female Russian squadron on the Eastern front whose role was to ensure the development and supply of pencils to combat aircraft under battle conditions.

There is one hilarious anecdote of Eva Vestoff who found herself hanging from the wing of an il2 as she attempted to sharpen a damaged model 38 pencil during a squadron scramble!! She completed her task and is honoured in the Soviet Hall of Fame at Kurzak as is her flak damaged sharpener.

Are there any other combat incidents known involving pencil crews as the world needs to know.

I hope this helps

MB_Avro

XyZspineZyX
03-27-2003, 12:47 PM
Well Clyde...Project Blue Biro was declassified recently.When the USAF was forced to admit the existence of UFOs and Project Blue Book,they figured the public was ready th know about rollerballs as well.And as for my Russian sources...er i cant tell you,or my supply of black market vodka will be terminated /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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After all this,wont you give me a smile?"

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XyZspineZyX
03-27-2003, 01:31 PM
God, how I hate pencil whiners...

XyZspineZyX
03-27-2003, 01:53 PM
This is just typical. All you guys are arguing about pencils and pens when you've forgotten all about the Brits once again. Bloody yanks writing us out of the history books if it hadn't been for the Supermarine Quillfire and the Hawker HurriPen then the war would have been lost in 1940.

These fine pens were more than a match for anything the Luftwaffe could throw at us. And even by the end of the war the Quillfire could still outperform all german and american designs. It's only drawback was it's limited ink reservoir.

Although even i must admit that the Germans switching their bombing away from the RAF's Caligraphy sqaudrons and onto London couldn't have come any sooner.


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"Address tae an Auld Quillfire"
Arthur Smith.

Whit' maks' ye look sae sad and lost, Auld Quillfire: Whit's the maitter?
These Biros beside ye canna' boast o' Deeds like yours, or better.
You've had yur' Day and proved yur' Worth, in Fearless, Firm Formation,
And smashed Stationary o' The North, tae save an Island Nation.

Don't pout yur' 'Nib', nor wilt yur' Feathers because the people pass ye
Tae look at Ball-point Things wha's vanities harass ye.
When Bic, at Freedom's Door, in Armoured Might, wis knockin',
Ye made a Nation's 'Finest 'Our' - The Tyrant's Nib wis Broken.

Though streakin' Biros reflect the sun - The people don't forget ye. -
You're staunin noo on Hallowed Grun', - A Monument we've set ye.
You've written and Drawn, at Battle's height when greater numbers matched ye,
And cleared the pages o' Fascist Blight, while Freedom lovers watched ye.

Noo au' yur' Ball-point Brood kin' Scribble, write and draw
On pages where once in balance stood, The Scales o' Destiny.
-Yur' youthful Dash, and Fortitude, and sense o' Service - True.
-Has won the lastin' Gratitude 'o' mony for The Few'.

Ye seem tae ken' yon man that walks, on artificial Limb. -
-He strokes yur' side, and gently talks - YE SEEM TAE TALK TAE HIM
-Ye seem tae me, withoot a doot', attached tae yin' anither:-
-Ye maun' hae much to talk aboot. -Ah'll leave ye baith the gither.

XyZspineZyX
03-27-2003, 01:57 PM
Do they taste like egg-rolls?


"If the surrendering enemy dont follow our instructions,the will feel the rapture of the co-ax."---Maj. Frank McClary, Ops Officer for 3Rd Infantry:

XyZspineZyX
03-27-2003, 03:02 PM
No-one knows...due to inaccurate modelling of the damage model,the pencils are chew-resistant!

"London calling from the top of the dial,
After all this,wont you give me a smile?"

-The Clash, "London Calling"

"Fist in the air in the land of hypocrisy"

-Rage Against The Machine, "Wake Up"

XyZspineZyX
03-27-2003, 05:01 PM
Very funny MB_Avro. Love the roll rate undermodelling comments. Nobody mentioned the space pens. Great in zero G and at high altitude. Did anyone see the pencil shavings on the floor in the TB-3?

lilseed

XyZspineZyX
03-27-2003, 06:27 PM
Hi,

Never mind the pencils - what about the incorrect colour of the uniform covering those legs in the He-111 cockpit?

I have cross-referenced the mean colour of the left leg covering to find that there is a mathematical correlation of 0.12 vs known German flight crew cloth dyes circa 1941.

This clearly shows bias in favour of the VVS as any attacker would clearly see the flight crew uniform, before the aircraft would be seen, even through thick cloud and/or a blindfold.

Norris

XyZspineZyX
03-27-2003, 06:43 PM
Hey guys lets not forget about the people back home who supplied our boys on the front with pencils. Penny the Penciller was a major icon for the feminist movement that would later occur. Not only that but I have recently heard that the US was testing a pencil that could write at supersonic speeds. It was first tested in the deserts over Arizona (this is why Arizona is known as the Writing Utensil State) where a B-29 dropped the pencil at over 15,000 feet and ground observers first thought the pencil had exploded from the high speeds it could supposedly reach. It turned out that this was merely a sonic boom created by the ludicrously high speed this pencil (dubbed the YX-No. 2) was able to achieve. Unfortunately the pencil was not able to be put in to production until after the war. It should also be noted that during the Cold War the Soviet Union and United States produced enough pencils to destroy the world 18 times over (a frightening thought).

XyZspineZyX
03-28-2003, 12:50 AM
lilseed wrote:
- Did
- anyone see the pencil shavings on the floor in the
- TB-3?
-
Pencil shavings? I can't see pencil shavings! I've updated drivers, re-installed the game, re-seated my video card and I still can't see pencil shavings.
This is driving me NUTS - I just can't enjoy the game now. It's pretty much ruined for me.
Can anyone recommend a video card that will allow me to enjoy the pencil shavings properly?

PS. The pencil roll seems very quiet to me. I'm sure you would be able to hear it distinctly above the engine noise.

XyZspineZyX
03-28-2003, 01:00 AM
Hey everybody what sharpening setting are you using for your pencils? I have found that very sharp slows down my FPS to 10-15. Dull just doesn't look right. I am currently using a medium sharp setting and that seems most playable.

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XyZspineZyX
03-28-2003, 01:08 AM
I was on HB for a while, but I think 2H is better under OpenGL

HTH

XyZspineZyX
03-28-2003, 01:20 AM
now please STOP playing your pencils guys..

XyZspineZyX
03-28-2003, 01:23 AM
tsk tsk suzanne shame on you http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

XyZspineZyX
03-28-2003, 01:35 AM
Personally, I'm just disappointed that the FB manual didn't come written in pencil which is much easier to read IMO.

I think Ubi should offer a "Sim Of The Year"T edition with the manuals written in pencil personally from Oleg.

I figure I'd be dumb enough to buy it if it allowed a "perfect" setting and improved pencil RM (er...Roll Modeling) as well. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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Is that toast burning..?

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XyZspineZyX
03-28-2003, 02:13 AM
Sierra_Delta wrote:

- These fine pens were more than a match for anything
- the Luftwaffe could throw at us. And even by the end
- of the war the Quillfire could still outperform all
- german and american designs. It's only drawback was
- it's limited ink reservoir.
-

Once again, you pen-whiners overlook the biggest drawback to using pens in the war!!! ALL PENS DURING THE WAR YEARS WOULD CUT OUT WHEN EXPOSED TO NEGATIVE G!!!

I'll take the performance of my good 'ol reliable HB any day! If Oleg and team ever decide to model pens in this sim you can be sure that they will model the ballpoint's achilles heel as well!!

I won't even get into the POOR PERFORMANCE of ballpoint's (especially the legendary Quillfire!) at high altitudes...
Besides, there's absolutely NO EVIDENCE that Quillfires EVER saw service on the Eastern Front - so your arguments for including pens in this RUSSIAN sim hold no ink!

Maybe you should stick with some *other* sims out on the market that have a more Western focus cause your pen-whining ain't welcome here!


Sheesh...

DayGlow
03-28-2003, 07:17 AM
mikeyg007 wrote:
-
- lilseed wrote:
-- Did
-- anyone see the pencil shavings on the floor in the
-- TB-3?
--
- Pencil shavings? I can't see pencil shavings! I've
- updated drivers, re-installed the game, re-seated my
- video card and I still can't see pencil shavings.
- This is driving me NUTS - I just can't enjoy the
- game now. It's pretty much ruined for me.
- Can anyone recommend a video card that will allow me
- to enjoy the pencil shavings properly?
-
- PS. The pencil roll seems very quiet to me. I'm sure
- you would be able to hear it distinctly above the
- engine noise.
-
-

S3 Virge should do the trick. The latest cards have a full 4mb of memory /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

COLINMAN

"It takes a big man to admit he is wrong, I'm not a big man." Chevy Chase, Fletch Lives

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XyZspineZyX
03-28-2003, 07:23 AM
Try the following, Hold the pencil in your hand on level flight, push the stick and iniciate a 1000 fpm dive, observe that the pencil appears to levitate, then level off gently and make it come back to your hand...impress your friends!

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XyZspineZyX
03-28-2003, 12:33 PM
This is a sharp pencil site...

A fine read for all with a healthy interest in wood and graphite......


http://www.pencils.com/


Absorb,enjoy and discuss...



MB_Avro

XyZspineZyX
03-28-2003, 01:44 PM
Rook_336 wrote:
- Once again, you pen-whiners overlook the biggest
- drawback to using pens in the war!!! ALL PENS DURING
- THE WAR YEARS WOULD CUT OUT WHEN EXPOSED TO NEGATIVE
- G!!!
-
- I'll take the performance of my good 'ol reliable HB
- any day! If Oleg and team ever decide to model pens
- in this sim you can be sure that they will model the
- ballpoint's achilles heel as well!!

The HB may have been good in it's day. But by the 1940's the writing was on the wall, yes i admit the early pens had negative g problems but they had an overall superior performance to ANY pencil, especially the ability to write continuously WITHOUT needing to land and press "ESC" and then "Re-sharpen" to continue working.

- Besides, there's absolutely NO EVIDENCE that
- Quillfires EVER saw service on the Eastern Front -
- so your arguments for including pens in this RUSSIAN
- sim hold no ink!

I guess you haven't read B. I. Roe's seminal work "Lend-Lease pens of WW2" it has several chapters devoted to the Stirling work that the Quillfire did on the eastern front. Seeing as you haven't read the book i'll sum it up for you:-

"The Quilfire has largely been forgotten for it's role on the eastern front. This is due to the Soviet regieme destroying all records about the pen's involvement because it so clearly outperformed all of the Soviet pencils in use at the time. But after much research the author was able to find some remaining records of it's use. This led to finding several VVS Caligraphers who used the Quillfire during WW2. They had nothing but praise for it."

It should also be noted that the Russians went on to model their Bic-15, as used in Korea, on post-war british designs.

- Maybe you should stick with some *other* sims out on
- the market that have a more Western focus cause your
- pen-whining ain't welcome here!

To claim that pens were not used on the eastern front is quite clearly preposterous. Keep your fingers in your ears and keep saying "LA-LA-LA-I-CAN'T-HEAR-YOU" if you must. But try to think about why this game is called IL-2 Sturmobik before you complain anymore.

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"Address tae an Auld Quillfire"
Arthur Smith.

Whit' maks' ye look sae sad and lost, Auld Quillfire: Whit's the maitter?
These Biros beside ye canna' boast o' Deeds like yours, or better.
You've had yur' Day and proved yur' Worth, in Fearless, Firm Formation,
And smashed Stationary o' The North, tae save an Island Nation.

Don't pout yur' 'Nib', nor wilt yur' Feathers because the people pass ye
Tae look at Ball-point Things wha's vanities harass ye.
When Bic, at Freedom's Door, in Armoured Might, wis knockin',
Ye made a Nation's 'Finest 'Our' - The Tyrant's Nib wis Broken.

Though streakin' Biros reflect the sun - The people don't forget ye. -
You're staunin noo on Hallowed Grun', - A Monument we've set ye.
You've written and Drawn, at Battle's height when greater numbers matched ye,
And cleared the pages o' Fascist Blight, while Freedom lovers watched ye.

Noo au' yur' Ball-point Brood kin' Scribble, write and draw
On pages where once in balance stood, The Scales o' Destiny.
-Yur' youthful Dash, and Fortitude, and sense o' Service - True.
-Has won the lastin' Gratitude 'o' mony for The Few'.

Ye seem tae ken' yon man that walks, on artificial Limb. -
-He strokes yur' side, and gently talks - YE SEEM TAE TALK TAE HIM
-Ye seem tae me, withoot a doot', attached tae yin' anither:-
-Ye maun' hae much to talk aboot. -Ah'll leave ye baith the gither.

XyZspineZyX
03-29-2003, 10:28 AM
Sierra Delta.....

Outstanding contributions from yourself regarding pencil development and the debt that the free world owes to a mix of graphite,wood and the little rubbery thingy at the top.

I have written over 4,000 pages towards my shortly to be released manual on pencil roles/rolls.....this will shortly be available as an update for the navigators table...just watch the pages turn as the aircraft banks left and right.

I hope this helps

MB_Avro

XyZspineZyX
03-29-2003, 11:19 AM
I think you forgot one significant pencil the v5.1 "gustav"
it was a nice pencil tht some americans got when they crashlanded in Sweden and i think they very much enjoyed
every bombing mission after that, they got back to england and gave the "gustav" to everyone they saw and it was widely used in bombing missions over the channel...

249th Boos16
Tail and charlie
boos16@249th.com

XyZspineZyX
03-29-2003, 11:28 AM
Instead of whining for new pencils, why don't you model them yourself.

XyZspineZyX
03-31-2003, 03:52 AM
Panzzzz wrote:
- What a bunch of BS, I can't believe I bought this
- sim. You'll notice that in the TB-3, the "pencil
- roll" affect was modeled, but with a massive Russian
- bias. It magically stops at the edge of the table,
- so you get all the benefits of pencil rolling, with
- NOT A SINGLE DRAWBACK!


I'm very dissapointed in your lack of revolutionary consciousness. Don't you know that the New Soviet Pencil would never do anything as bourgouise as fall off the edge of a table? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

A killer with the manners of a rabbit - oh, this is the most dangerous kind!

XyZspineZyX
03-31-2003, 04:52 AM
Say, has anyone tested if the 'Kommandoger√¬§t' in the Focke-Wulf 190 is working correctly? I have my doubts about it, since it does not seem to pick up speed very well.

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XyZspineZyX
03-31-2003, 07:50 AM
make the Dornier Do-17 flyable...then you will have a true flying pencil......

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XyZspineZyX
06-30-2003, 01:24 PM
great ...

i would like to ask sumthing?

is german pencils manufactured by standler?
(or is it standler's?)



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Tully__
06-30-2003, 01:32 PM
warhawk_530 wrote:
- great ...
-
- i would like to ask sumthing?
-
- is german pencils manufactured by standler?
- (or is it standler's?)
-
-


Staedtler?

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fluke39
06-30-2003, 01:42 PM
Eh? who dug this up again

i remember this one - one of the finest threads ever
is it it's anniversary or something? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif


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XyZspineZyX
06-30-2003, 06:55 PM
I am currently modelling a rotary crank driven in-flight pencil sharpener.I have based my research on the Soviet 'Shavoff' design that saw service on most of their bomber aircraft.

There continues to be heated controversy regarding this between the 'Shavoff' manufacturers and the the British Air Ministry specification that produced the famous Blenkinsop design for the RAF in the 1930s.The Blenkinsop sharpener was fitted to Blenheim bomber navigator positions
and it is alleged that the design was copied by the Soviets.

I shall submit my finished product to Oleg and his team shortly and ask that it be included within the next patch.

I conversed recently with a former Blenheim navigator.He told me that they would abort a mission if the Blenkinsop was not of sufficient calibre for the mission.On every one of his 63 missions he had to abort for this reason! That's possibly why he is alive today.

Hope this helps
MB_Avro

XyZspineZyX
07-01-2003, 07:32 AM
It's so sad how such an important and basic issue can be overlooked: the visibility of the German pencils! Just fire up the He-111 and look at it! It's HUGE! It obscures half the map! You can't see around it. It's so terrible I can't even stomach the plane anymore!

Oleg's pencil pictures have done nothing to exacerbate the situation. The German pencils have clearly been intentionally modeled to decrease user visibility!

And they write so slow! Erproebungskomando units testing the early ink-jet pens reported an average speed of 90 words per minute (pretty impressive, considering the size of many German words). However, as modeled in Il-2 FB, the German ink-jets can only attain about 60 wpm: a ridiculously slow speed that allows any German writer to be cut to shreds by the VVS and their ridiculously swift "turbolaser" pens.

Oleg is just too stubborn to accept the truth.

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XyZspineZyX
07-01-2003, 07:38 AM
As mentioned in the thread in ORR



the pencil will ONLY roll in an unco-ordinated turn.


clearly the LW could use round pencils as they had highly trained pilots who did balanced turns.

the allies on the other hand likely needed octagonal pencils because of the poorly trained pilots not keeping the ball centred.

XyZspineZyX
07-01-2003, 07:42 AM
hmm, is the pencil big or small



The Sun is Gone
But I Have a Light

XyZspineZyX
07-01-2003, 08:48 PM
Turbo-charged propelling pencils were issued to RAF navigators after May 1943.

I bought one through EBay last month....

I hope this helps


MB_Avro

repco
03-23-2004, 04:57 AM
Has anyone tested pencils in AEP yet? I don't want to risk "upgrading" only to find this POS BS VSS pencil bias is still ruining the game. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

B16Enk
03-23-2004, 05:42 AM
LMAO, not read this one before.

Glad it survived the migration and

Happy birthday to it!

Udidtoo
03-23-2004, 05:54 AM
Ah, the anniversery of The Classic. Still the funniest thread ever hands down.

..............................
I always have just enough fuel to arrive at the scene of my crash.

SeaFireLIV
03-23-2004, 06:08 AM
I think the dispersion spread of the lead in the pencil is biased towards the VVS. Oleg, why do hate pencils?

Udidtoo
03-23-2004, 06:22 AM
Well I for one hope we don't see a further proliferation of fantasy or mechanical pencils in FB or EAP.

I mean come on! Other than the Ebberhard and the Sanford Eagle No.2 none of these Mech pencils every got beyond the proto-type stage.

If you want to use a mechanical click type pencil then go write in Lomac.

P.S. Those whitish gray crumbly erasers really suk man. They really nerfed those babies. Now if you want to compete in a server its pink eraser or don't bother......sheeesh

..............................
I always have just enough fuel to arrive at the scene of my crash.

No601_Zulu
03-23-2004, 06:25 AM
This is just bloody typical, were's the British model of the pencil.

I bet when we eventually get one everyone will be whinning "It's to sharp"

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AdEridanus
03-23-2004, 11:08 AM
Wow. This is a lot of new info for me... Lets see if I can remember the basics...

1. If you're pencil is rolling unrealistically, it is because it is way too overmodelled, or not modelled nearly enough.

2. German pencils captured near the end of the war were too damaged to provide any useful info to the Russians, mainly due to the increase in "chewmarking" on the pencils as the allies surrounded Berlin.

3. The experimental Polish pencil "grafzitski", which featured a graphite shell covering a wooden dowel was innovative yet never really could compete with its German contemporaries. Besides, as all good Polish pen aces know, the best hand can make any pencil smooth. Still, an A for effort.

4. One has to be especially careful with pencils that are famous divers, such as the Papermate-47. Pull up too late and you're sure to go straight through the page and the rest of the notebook.

5. NEVER shoot at any of the rocket pens! Always try to get level and tip them. German ink is notoriously hard to get out.

6. The Papermate-38 is an excellent twin fuselage pencil, despite the plehtora of over/under modelling posts on this site. Great climber, good roll, and enough lead to write hundreds of strongly worded letters to Oleg. Just remember, don't use this pencil if it's not worth writing twice.

7. I now can't read this forum during class. I'm laughing so much that I'm starting to get the stinkeye.

But won't someone make a game about the Knights of the Quill over Europe in WW1?

GvSAP_Dart
03-23-2004, 12:05 PM
I'm shocked that while there is lots of debate as to the FM of pencils, it's done by the elitist "full real" (or should I say "full difficulty) crowd without a thought to those who just want to have some fun with the sim.

Once again Oleg has bowed to these people and not made icons for pencils EVEN AN OPTION.

Likewise, one cannot padlock the pencil.

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Capt._Tenneal
03-23-2004, 01:43 PM
Can anyone here shed light on which will be the 9 mystery pencils in the upcoming patch ?

And what's with pencilskins.com ? It's been down for the past several days. It must be the European fans flooding the server downloading the latest AEP pencils.

Spinne_3.-JG51
03-23-2004, 02:36 PM
Has anyone looked at the Japanese pencils? Clearly overmodelled!! They never break, and even the best erasers can't get the marks off the page. BTW, the new TB-3/Rata combo has decent pencil modelling, IMO.

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MB_Avro
03-23-2004, 03:26 PM
I started this post a year ago.

But it keeps coming back to haunt me,my friends and family.

I now cannot look at anyone who has a pencil without a feeling of historical guilt.

Do they understand the combat requirements of the average pencil?

Do they understand the hell that pencils have been through to keep this sim alive?

I stare at passers-by and plead for an answer whilst gripping the best pencil skins available between my teeth.

I have ignored therapy and the Police who say they just want to talk...

I now stare at the gates of oblivion but know that deep within my heart there will ALWAYS be room for a sharp piece of graphite encased in the finest timber yet trimmed to perfection...I wish.

See you all in the cuckoos nest soon

MB_Avro

SeaFireLIV
03-23-2004, 03:36 PM
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TheKingofStyle
03-23-2004, 06:11 PM
I think you are clearly forgetting the modeling on the table. If the table had a ledge on the side, then the pencil would not roll off. Does anyone know whether the tables actually had ledges on them?

What are the possibilities of quill pens being used the Eastern Front? There are numerous advantages. For one, it has neither the sharpening problems of pencils nor the problems of normal pens in negative G situations. I think a feather would also have better aerodynamic qualities than a normal pen or pencil. Also, the ink well could be used to throw at enemy planes to cloud the cockpit glass, making navigation extremely difficult.

Lav69
03-23-2004, 06:19 PM
Has anyone factored in the all important teeth marks on said pencils as they create severe drag whilst rolling.

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PBNA-Boosher
03-23-2004, 08:35 PM
I dunno, when it comes to WW2, like the TB-3, the pencil is out of date, by 1940, British pilots were using the ballpoint pen!

l6lst_Elite
03-23-2004, 08:37 PM
ok, just pee'd myself.Funniest thread ever S~

AcesHigh_AVG
03-23-2004, 09:12 PM
My God this thread has been around a long time, let it die!

JR_Greenhorn
03-24-2004, 12:28 AM
You Britts keep whining about your pencils; do you really think they will come with any lead in them!?!


Right, I say we start whining to get lead modeled in the British pencils!

GAU-8
03-24-2004, 12:53 AM
PLEASE PEOPLE!

when will you learn? you can scream and shout till your blue in the face. OLEG WILL NOT listen to you without proper documentation. get it thru yalls thick skulls.. you should know better.

i see ALL THIS TALK.. but not a damn cross section reference, nor a performance stat regarding how long the lead lasts, nor what type of wood was actually used. or how strong the the unibody frame was.

ive heard of some horrible "graphite dispersion when applied to paper" rumblings around here. and that the american dispersion rate of lead is quite off. as compared to RL
please post those tighter dispersion charts.. or oleg will do nothing! BACK UP WHAT YOU SAY!!

3 years dealing with oleg, and you dont know to provide PROOF of actual testing or design still??

turn this whining into FACT!

Koan___
03-24-2004, 07:56 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BombTaxi:
I feel that the armament of the pencil is also undermodelled...I just keep stabbing it through the side of my He111 and bits fly off but i see no damage... &lt;img src="/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif" width=16 height=16 border=0&gt;
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Turn on pencil vulnerability in the difficulty section.

Kuikueg
03-24-2004, 08:32 AM
As you know, the race for a good pencil design started in the early days of the Spanish Civil War. As the early models of Erasenrubben were making their way to the conflict, with their experimental rubbers, the Republican side run out of stock of their primitive models and realized that, with the lack of supplies, manufacturing means and international help, a solution had to be seeked and quick. The Russian pencils arrived in small quantities, in kits and with manuals in Russian, so many remained at the desks unused. By the time Russians sent a few experts to show their handling to the Spanish navigators, an industry of handcrafted pencils had started, and navigators felt that the new ones were too complex to use and that they fell off the table too easily. Population in the Republican area movilized to provide the goverment with the remainings of their bonfires, scratched material from old frying pans, etc, that was then compressed in a sort of irregular rounded shape and served as a marking device. It being not straight a all, more like a bended branch, it never fell off the table, and proved very useful to the navigator. He would erase with his fingers in case of mistake but he was limited to eight erasing actions. From then on the map became full of smudged lines and several crews got lost because of this. Some of the stocks, as navigators discovered by chewing them, were made purely of scratched pans and they began to eat it in their way to the target. That accounts for many of the bombers lost in their way back. Moreover, a lot of this pan pencils ended up in the black market, which didn't contribute to the effort of war. Well you all know how it finished.

Kuikueg


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tsisqua
03-24-2004, 08:40 AM
I have been watching this thread with some interest, as I have considered buying a mechanical pencil sim. However, my friends all tell me that there is no skill involved in it. You simply push a button, and get the same results every time.

Tsisqua

Capt._Tenneal
03-24-2004, 08:41 AM
OH NO !!!!!!!!!

UBI SAY IT'S NOT SO !!!!!

I got AEP and I'm DISAPPOINTED. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-mad.gif Where are the American pencil campaigns !? Answer, me huh ? I waited for AEP for a month, waiting to play an American pencil career all the way from Junior High to Graduation, and there is none. Nothing for the Brits too ! This is CRAP.

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IV|JG51Flatspin
03-24-2004, 12:24 PM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Here's some good pencils (http://www.noogenesis.com/inventing/pencil/pencil_page.html) to include in future patches. I particularly like the 'compass pencil' - very useful for air missions or even to find an egress route after being shot down! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

MB_Avro
03-24-2004, 04:25 PM
Thanks for all your responses to this post over the past year.

I'm impressed by the members knowledge of pencils,biros,quills,ink,aircraft,tactics,strategy ,aerodynamics,geography,sociology,graphite,wood,hy draulics,politics and history.

Regards
MB_Avro

jensenpark
03-24-2004, 06:55 PM
Why are there no Canadian pencils?

Canadian pencils served with honour during the BoB and throughout the war.

http://www.unicover.com/images/G6A876.JPG

Jezzadog
03-25-2004, 10:15 PM
This is the difference between IL-2 FB and LOMAC:

In FB it's called a "pencil"; in LOMAC it's called a "PDRD" (portable data recording device).

"The ***** mightier than the sword"

WTE_Ibis
03-26-2004, 03:57 AM
I've not seen this pencil,does it have an eraser on the blunt end? If so then it is an
aussie pencil and we used that end during dogfighting to erase the enemy.We use rubbers
for a different purpose. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/53.gif

http://server6.uploadit.org/files/Ibissix-schmile.JPG

RBJ_4
03-26-2004, 04:07 AM
I'm with that

Vengeanze
03-26-2004, 04:21 AM
Where can I download new skins for pencils?
IL2skins.com doesn't seem to have any.

Btw how come there ain't any black pens??

/Ven

"Maybe for someone more easy to write something than to make something?"
- Oleg Maddox

Salfordian
03-26-2004, 04:47 AM
With AEP now out and talk of a patch on the way, I'm dissapointed that there is no mention of the inclusion of free cereal box novelty pencil tops in the styles of our favourite childrens TV characters, to allow all budding navs to customise their pencils for those long journeys.

We want pencil toppers!

CRSutton
03-26-2004, 01:05 PM
Noob here. I have had my FB for only a week. Can anyone tell me how to get my landing gear down on my pencil?

DONB3397
03-26-2004, 01:22 PM
...umm...does the pencil roll faster if you bank at a greater angle?

BigMotor
03-26-2004, 02:00 PM
Please don't flame me but I enjoy historically correct markings on my pencils. Does anyone know where I can download HACKENPENCIL?

Hawg-dawg
03-26-2004, 02:06 PM
Cooridinate your turn properly "step on the ball" and The pencil shouldn' http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gift roll

AKA Bad-MF ....... Member... Kelly Johnsons SKUNK WORKS
Sucka Free since 1969..... Fatboys Forever

Capt._Tenneal
03-26-2004, 02:20 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BigMotor:
Please don't flame me but I enjoy historically correct markings on my pencils. Does anyone know where I can download HACKENPENCIL?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Heck if you fly a humungous pencil, you can draw your OWN Hackenpencil on the ground !

But you can try the utility programs Pencil-Stab or Pencil Manager 4.0 from leadmovers.com, although they're down right now.

MB_Avro
03-26-2004, 02:41 PM
Overheard in the Pencil Squadron locker-room...the C.O. was reprimanding a green pilot for his dangerously slow rolls...

"I'm going to be absolutely blunt with you,son.."

I couldn't catch the rest.

I hope this helps
MB_Avro

MB_Lerxster
06-26-2004, 07:42 AM
I believe the correct pronunciation of pencil is "Bleistift".

MB_Avro
06-26-2004, 02:07 PM
Ah....my thread back from the dead...

MB_Lerxster has revived this corpse !!

Regards
MB_Avro

Sturmtrooper
06-26-2004, 03:20 PM
Pencil rolls ???
It's June , you know what that means ?
In the words of Perry Farrell of Janes Addiction : "Summertime Rolls". http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

http://home.bellsouth.net/coDataImages/p/Groups/183/183586/pages/456377/untitled1.gif

Vladimir_No2
06-26-2004, 08:15 PM
You fools have no idea how quickly the allies would have been crushed if the German mechanical pencils had become operational...They were only vunerable to "inferior" allied pens when they had to have their lead reloaded. May I remind you that this lead was not the weak "HB" of the early 40s, but was the finest in the world: state-of-the-art 4H. I have even heard rumors that the Germans were developing a self-propelling pencil, but these rumors cannot be confirmed because of the large ink stains on the blueprints (they cover the complex and certainly ingenious system which would have propelled the lead with terrible and fearsome velocity).

http://img78.photobucket.com/albums/v255/vladimir_no2/polishsig.jpg
Der Spaziergang uber Warshau

Dawg-of-death
06-26-2004, 08:30 PM
It even works enverted

Bad-MF(Mongrel Fighter) AKA .......Dawg-of-death

SwingerSpecial
06-26-2004, 08:48 PM
Which calibre mechanical pencils are you referring to? Personally, I like the 0,5mm rounds for their fine point, even though they tend to jam more often than the 0,7mm version when handled rough.

WTE_Ibis
06-27-2004, 02:41 AM
What are you fools doing here? didn't you hear
the scramble siren! get to your planes and stop
this ****e.By the way pick up your new Aussie
pens from the armourer and dont forget to place
them "down under" the table or they will fall
off and land on the ceiling.Don't forget that
the eraser is on the opposite end to usual, so
you will have to turn it around.I know that's a bit technical but armourer Steve Irwin will show you the ropes.Tootle pip old chaps and don't forget your rubbers,er,sorry,erasers. :wink2 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/53.gif :

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Join us or oppose us, either way "MAKE MY DAY"

PBNA-Boosher
06-27-2004, 10:02 AM
I don't get you Russians and Germans, We Americans, as well as the Brits, have been using ballpoint pens since the early 40's!

gombal40
06-27-2004, 12:32 PM
Not at high alt you dont.... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif U take a pencil

MB_Avro_UK
10-09-2005, 02:53 PM
Bump.....One of my earlier posts as MB_Avro http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Best Regards,
MB_Avro_UK

Jungmann
10-09-2005, 03:13 PM
Raaid uses a piece of charcoal and a board.

Aero_Shodanjo
10-09-2005, 03:54 PM
LOL http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

I can't get pass the third page without laughing so hard, that Im afraid Im waking up my entire family http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Thanks for bringing this up http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

fluke39
10-10-2005, 02:50 AM
i saw this thread and thought my god someones just noticed the pencil moves in the tb3 - then i saw the author --- anyone else having deja vu?

still funny tho.

careful tho someone might shoot it with a silver bullet or something and it will return no more!

dogstar4000
10-10-2005, 04:05 AM
NASA spent thousands of dollars developing a pen that could write in zero gravity. The Russians cosmonauts took a pencil.

scaredycat1
05-24-2006, 07:45 AM
a chuckle for those who havent seen it

Low_Flyer_MkVb
05-24-2006, 08:33 AM
Just as much fun second time around http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Anyone remember this one?

Pirates vs Ninjas
http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m...141093533#4141093533 (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/23110283/m/4141093533/r/4141093533#4141093533)

Rammjaeger
05-24-2006, 11:55 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Panzzzz:
Then test the He-111...the pencil rolling effect ISN'T EVEN MODELLED!
Panzerman </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yeah, the same applies to the Mitsubishi G4M1 Betty. Can't use that pencil on the map either!

By the way, this stuff about Russians using pencils in space is BS:

http://www.snopes.com/business/genius/spacepen.asp

Sillius_Sodus
05-24-2006, 03:29 PM
The pencil AI is pooched big time in this sim! Are you listening Oleg?

Good Hunting,
Sillius_Sodus

Esel1964
05-25-2006, 03:44 AM
I'd just like to say what a great,worldwide,community I think this game has.This thread is a hoot http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif-it's exactly what I need.
I've been playing IL-2 since FB was about a month old(for the U.S.),but,spent the last year + ,running(after it was dumped in my lap) an ultra-political site with a very menacing name.(As I agree that this should be a "partisan-free" forum,I'll not name "names".)
I spent so much time there battling people over their views (current politics),that's it's truly refreshing(relaxing) to just read and enjoy the comments of folks having fun and joking about a sim I love.

LStarosta
07-09-2007, 09:46 PM
The M2 .50mm is porked.

Oleg needs to desynchronize the graphite.

Crash_Moses
07-09-2007, 10:16 PM
Ah yes...yet another thread I was afraid to post in because I was afraid of appearing...um...silly.

Alloy007P
07-10-2007, 12:27 AM
The AI...yet it cheats again. Their pencils do not suffer the effects of g-forces have roll rate much faster than any if "our" pencils and preform menuvers that are just not possible for non AI pencils. AND IF YOU THOUGHT THAT WAS BAD THEN GET A LOAD OF THIS, They don't even need sharpening thats right, its true. While us pilots must sharpen our pencils in the heat of battle the AI pencils never get dull or never break. This leads way to another advatage to the AI, NO pencil shaveings. Those dangourus pencil shaveings get in your eyes and blind you.

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/disagree.gif Oleg this is yet the biggest flaw in the sim, while I realize it is to late to fix this now as it would require weeks of reaserch, I truly hope this is fixed in BoB, it could be desatorus for sales. And one more note, the 50mm leads are clearly under modled

As you can see the AI clearly has the advantage http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif
http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z149/Alloy007P/Pencilrollrate.jpg

Yet again the AI has the advantage http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/shady.gif
http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z149/Alloy007P/PencilPreformence.jpg

willyvic
07-10-2007, 12:58 AM
Well bless your little heart there LStarosta. http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Thanks for resurrecting it again. Please be on the standby for next year if you would.

Good to see this has not died.

WV

scaredycat1
07-10-2007, 01:11 AM
Avro, i hope i didnt step where i shouldnt have, if i did, it was unintentional.
Just shareing a Great thread with those that havent seen it.

scaredycat1
07-10-2007, 01:13 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Esel1964:
I'd just like to say what a great,worldwide,community I think this game has.This thread is a hoot http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif-it's exactly what I need.
I've been playing IL-2 since FB was about a month old(for the U.S.),but,spent the last year + ,running(after it was dumped in my lap) an ultra-political site with a very menacing name.(As I agree that this should be a "partisan-free" forum,I'll not name "names".)
I spent so much time there battling people over their views (current politics),that's it's truly refreshing(relaxing) to just read and enjoy the comments of folks having fun and joking about a sim I love. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>


excacty http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

Old_Canuck
07-10-2007, 01:50 AM
It needs to be repeated that the technological attributes of one pencil over another is a lesser factor when the pencil is wielded by a superior opponent (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ManHHQoxtqM).

Crash_Moses
07-10-2007, 06:01 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Old_Canuck:
It needs to be repeated that the technological attributes of one pencil over another is a lesser factor when the pencil is wielded by a superior opponent (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ManHHQoxtqM). </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Oh, c'mon...everybody knows that pencilcams don't provide enough info to determine this. Many pencil aces were downed by opponents with inferior penciling abilities...it all really depends on starting conditions before engagement.

Charos
07-10-2007, 06:19 AM
8 pages and your your all still Drawing the wrong conclusions.

ImMoreBetter
07-10-2007, 07:29 AM
But what about carpentry pencils!

It's dangerous to sharpen them with a knife in the middle of battle. Yet, in our sim I have yet to die from accidental stabbing.

Stabbery=Under-modled.

skarden
07-10-2007, 08:29 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Charos:
8 pages and your your all still Drawing the wrong conclusions. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif LOL so good...............but soooo bad at the same time http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/clap.gif

Daiichidoku
07-10-2007, 08:41 AM
what did the mathemetician do when he had constipation?



he worked it out with a pencil!

DooDaH2007
07-10-2007, 09:20 AM
The pencil was made out of wood... be sure..!

LStarosta
07-10-2007, 09:39 AM
What about pencils causing casualties among civilians including children?

http://img399.imageshack.us/img399/3164/zombie03ig8.jpg

raaaid
07-10-2007, 12:26 PM
i wonder why they dont put sharpeners instead of rubbers, you can get away without one but not the other

i bet its because itd look way too gay a pencil sharpening another

ImMoreBetter
07-10-2007, 12:38 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by raaaid:
i wonder why they dont put sharpeners instead of rubbers, you can get away without one but not the other

i bet its because itd look way too gay a pencil sharpening another </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://forums.ubi.com/groupee_common/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

Divine-Wind
07-10-2007, 12:48 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Charos:
8 pages and your your all still Drawing the wrong conclusions. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Zing! http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/88.gif

FI-Skipper
07-10-2007, 01:23 PM
Teh biro won teh war n00bs!

Crash_Moses
07-10-2007, 02:30 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by DooDaH2007:
The pencil was made out of wood... be sure..! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

Where you read about pencil made of wood...close this book and never open again!

MB_Avro_UK
07-10-2007, 02:48 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by scaredycat1:
Avro, i hope i didnt step where i shouldnt have, if i did, it was unintentional.
Just shareing a Great thread with those that havent seen it. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

No prob scaredycat1 http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif

But I have the feeling that every year for the next 12,287 years that this thread will be revived...and what will be the patch number??

Maybe in 12,287 years we will ALL be graphics cards ?

Best Regards,
MB_Avro.

Alloy007P
07-10-2007, 02:52 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by No601_Zulu:
This is just bloody typical, were's the British model of the pencil.

I bet when we eventually get one everyone will be whinning "It's to sharp"
</div></BLOCKQUOTE>
For your information the panecil can take much higher G-forces than the pen. If the pen pulls to many G's then the pen explodes getting ink all over the pilots face and copkit.