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Warbird-
06-30-2004, 01:20 AM
Hi, all.

I'm new to IL2 FB, and I have some questions.

I'm very bad to shot precisely at other planes. Playing the game for some weeks and I still very bad in gunnery abilities. And it has nothing to do with lag nor low frame rates. I'm good to control the plane and to runway from enemies but bad to shot them.

Are there any tips to get better on this?

What is more important, a fast plane or a plane that has a powerful fire? Please talk about some planes that match this, and that are very popular in the arena.

There is an option of fire/rocket delay meters/seconds before the fly and I would like to know if it makes any difference and how it works.

Any opinion would be appreciated.

Thank you.

Warbird-
06-30-2004, 01:20 AM
Hi, all.

I'm new to IL2 FB, and I have some questions.

I'm very bad to shot precisely at other planes. Playing the game for some weeks and I still very bad in gunnery abilities. And it has nothing to do with lag nor low frame rates. I'm good to control the plane and to runway from enemies but bad to shot them.

Are there any tips to get better on this?

What is more important, a fast plane or a plane that has a powerful fire? Please talk about some planes that match this, and that are very popular in the arena.

There is an option of fire/rocket delay meters/seconds before the fly and I would like to know if it makes any difference and how it works.

Any opinion would be appreciated.

Thank you.

necrobaron
06-30-2004, 01:44 AM
The best advice I can give is to practice,practice,practice. The critical thing to learn about aerial gunnery is to become a master at deflection shooting. This simply means you should shoot at the space where the plane will be as opposed to shooting at it's current location. As I understand it, rocket delay simply determines how many seconds the rocket will explode after it's been launched. Most of the late war planes will be both fast and have powerful armament but will not necessarily be that maneuverable. IMO, one single characteristic of a plane(speed,firepower,etc.)is not necessarily more important than the others. You simply have to learn to maximize the plane's advantages and minimize it's disadvantages. I hope that helps. I'm sure others can give you better, more detailed advice and perhaps explain it better. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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WTE_Galway
06-30-2004, 01:52 AM
make sure your convergence is correct or your shots will be goig too high or too low

and make sure you are using your rudder to correct any skid .. if the ball is not centred your shots will not be going where the gunsight is aimed they will whiz off to one side

practice offline .. use quick mission builder and start off shooting at half or even quarter speed

if your shots miss pause the game and change to the target external view and check out exaactly why they are missing

even try recording a track and playing it back from the targets perspective


once you can shoot at half spped move up to full speed and keep practicing

for a real challenge try shooting at 2x or 4x http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Cajun76
06-30-2004, 01:55 AM
For gunnery practice, try setting up a Quick Mission with freindly bombers. Then you can tear through them at your leisure, from any angle. Start with low angles and small differences in speed, then try increasing the angles and closing speed. Then move to fighters, then rookie enemy fighters, and so on. Hope this helps, good luck and

Good hunting,
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Raiden48
06-30-2004, 03:23 AM
well yes practising is always good, but against offline opponents its nothing but creating false hope when your new. Online people try to outwhizz you by flying very different then AI planes, are difficult to shoot down and are good in shooting you down.
So play online a lot, and at some time you understand the whole point of dogfighting tactics people are using against you, so that you use it against them http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-mad.gif.
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JG52Russkly
06-30-2004, 03:47 AM
Warbird,

If it's any consolation I've been online now for about 5 months, averaging a couple of hours per week on, mostly, WarClouds 44+, Virtualpilots and Birds of Prey. I only fly the 109, usually Gustav (6 or 10), so I'm pretty used to 1 plane type.

My kill to killed ratio is still about 1:10 at best.

I went off-line to practice, but the AI pilots just don't make it as hard to hit them as the on-line pilots do. I tried DFs against all the major USAAF/RAF/VVS fighters at Ace setting and was able (eventually!) to master them all fairly easily. I then went back on-line full of confidence, but received a rude awakening!

My approach may be wrong, and I'm interested to read this thread, but I've resigned myself to just practice, practice, practice; die, die, die. I'm getting shot down less frequently and know how better to get on enemies' tails, but as far as the shooting is concerned, I'm still nowhere near as good as most of the on-line pilots.

I have learned, though, that getting to 200m and setting convergence accordingly can work well, although it's not easy to always get that close. Also, I've got used to opening fire with deflection in a turning fight when I can't even see the enemy plane due to the cockpit.

Good luck and see you on-line sometime!

Russkly

JG52Uther
06-30-2004, 03:50 AM
HeHeHe Russkly.same here! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif

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F19_Ob
06-30-2004, 04:22 AM
I also will advice practicing online for above reasons, but Dont care too much for scores and try to maximise your shooting opportunities = shoot when u can, even on distance. Remember to make tracks so u can review the battles later.

I often practice in quickmission too. practicing deflection on all distances and angles with different weapons.

If u stick to one plane it will be easier. But then u miss too much fun with other planes.

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The online practicing will with time enable U to recognize situations where u can shoot or will have the opportunity to do so.

Offline practicing alows u to perfect your attackrun.

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Warbird-
06-30-2004, 06:13 PM
Thanks everybody for the help.

Bearcat99
06-30-2004, 08:08 PM
I would suggest you set up a QMB with rookie AI and unlimited ammo. Set the ratio like 6:4 6 friendlies to 4 enemies.. The reason I say that is because shooting at bombers is OK.. but they A)wont shoot back and B)try to evade.. and though nithing bats a live pilot its good to have AI that will act like they dont want to be shot. As you get better change the ratio of friendlies to enemies...and increase thier skill level. Once you start to hit more than miss then switch to limited ammo. To make sure you dont develope any bad habits even with unlimited ammo try to remember.. no bursts longer than 3 seconds unless you are dead on and cant miss. Use icons in the beginning so you can train your eye to judge distances. Set your convergence to 225m MAX... and dont shoot till you get at least 275m. Lastly you must practice. No way around it. Good luck.

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karost
07-01-2004, 01:35 AM
if your joystick is not your problem then you have to improve your experience http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

same as many good friends share good idea to you.

1. AI ACE is your good offline gunning teacher to you.
2. play track file from online friends to see details how he shoot
compare to your mistake from your track file.
3. deflection shooting concept
4. shoot at best range ( below 150 meter )
5. develop and improve your shooting skill as most as you can.

- bf 109 is require more harder skill to proficiency in gunning.

for learning deflection shooting concept, just see my old guide here how to do http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
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S!

[This message was edited by karost on Thu July 01 2004 at 12:44 AM.]

S 8
07-01-2004, 01:41 AM
..and be cool.I tend to get all stirred up when I got a foe in sight and throw away too many rounds just to cripple him before I will lose him so I can get closer ,only to have no/little ammo left when I finally are there.

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AnaK774
07-01-2004, 01:41 AM
In aerial gunnery there is one good rule...

When u think youre close enough, Get Closer

AKA LeOs.K_Anak