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sokil
04-04-2004, 06:26 PM
Anyone knows why it took almost 60 years to start building this memorial?

sokil
04-04-2004, 06:26 PM
Anyone knows why it took almost 60 years to start building this memorial?

Chuck_Older
04-04-2004, 06:29 PM
There have been many other Memorials to WWII erected in the US prior to this.

Ever since the VietNam Memorial has gone up, I beleive the push is on the erect similar Memorials for other Wars.

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ShadowSix
04-04-2004, 09:07 PM
I believe the WWII generation never really wanted the recognition for a national memorial. They knew they had a job to do, and they did it with all of America behind them. What a great generation...

I plan on going down to see the Memorial this summer.

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RicknZ
04-05-2004, 01:12 AM
Yip a America was a country all other countries aspired to in WW2.
Hopefully Americans will vote Kerry in and bring those days back.

PlaneEater
04-05-2004, 01:28 AM
It was a political move, basically.

My grandpa doesn't like it, my grandma (served in the navy) doesn't like it, my great uncle didn't want one (he died a few years ago), and lots of my grandfather's veteran buddies aren't especially thrilled with the whole white-marble-overblown-symbolism-pavillion thing.

I think a slightly larger than actual size M1 Garand stuck into the ground with the bayonet, with a helmet balanced on top, would have been best. And a wall with the list of names, at MOST. I'd even say keep the two seperate.


For those of you who don't know, when a US soldier (usually infantry) was killed in the field, the bolt was stripped out and their rifle was stuck into the ground where they were buried, so that the US Graves Detail could find them later. Then their helmet was left on top.

I think that last marker of a fallen soldier would have been more than enough.

Rajvosa
04-05-2004, 02:55 AM
Hm, I have no idea how this new monument is supposed to look like, but judging from the posts, it's too big and monumental. A rifle is a good proposal.

For some purposes, less IS more.

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arcadeace
04-05-2004, 03:07 AM
A couple of guys in this thread don't have a clue http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

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yarbles67
04-05-2004, 11:11 AM
Hell, it should stand out and reflect the magnitude of the contribution they mae. It reshaped the world as we know it today. Those guys (wwii vets) are humble so it doesn't surprise me that most don't want special recognition. They always claim they were just doing their job for the guy next to them in the foxhole but the memoerial isn't really for them is it. It's for all the ungrateful bastards that never give The Greatest Generation a second thought. It's for future generations to view and ponder what true sacrifice was all about. Maybe a monument of this magnitude will give them food for thought or at least field trips will be planned to visit the site giving the teacher a chance to talk about it. Lord knows it's totally un PC to talk about it in history class. By the way, there's the always emotional Iwo Jima memorial near Arlington Cemetary to visit. That's one big stature of the Flag Raisers and it's quite impressive. At night with the display lights, they almost look alive. There's also a D-Day memorial in Virginia that just opened up a few years ago. I for one will be there to pay tribute when it opens but I"m sure there will be protestors saying that we should include some type of apology to Japenese civlians in Hiroshima or Germans at Dresden.

ASH at S-MART
04-05-2004, 11:17 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by arcadeace:
A couple of guys in this thread don't have a clue<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Yupp! Allways some N00B that thinks he is being sly and sliping in his bush is bad crud

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georgeo76
04-05-2004, 12:07 PM
I take issue w/ the notion that there ever was a 'greatest generation'. Culture changes, technology changes, people do not.

As far as the memorial, who is it for?

If it's for the veterans, then well, it's a little late in coming.

If it's to help people remember, then I ask: who could forget?

If it's to educate future generations about what happened, then I say that books, documentarys, and articles do a better job of informing than propaganda set in stone.

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yarbles67
04-06-2004, 08:00 AM
I suggest you read the book called 'The Greatest Generation' before taking issue but I doubt somebody of you left winged stance would. Based on your comments like 'propaganda set in stone' regarding the WWII memorial, you've shown your true nature and it's way left of center. Thanks to the Greatest Generation, I'm allowed to live the good life in suburbia. Furthermore, I understand that their sacrifice has allowed me opportunity to drink mocha lattes, eat jelly filled donuts, and live free.


<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by georgeo76:
I take issue w/ the notion that there ever was a 'greatest generation'. Culture changes, technology changes, people do not.

As far as the memorial, who is it for?

If it's for the veterans, then well, it's a little late in coming.

If it's to help people remember, then I ask: who could forget?

If it's to educate future generations about what happened, then I say that books, documentarys, and articles do a better job of informing than propaganda set in stone.

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Rajvosa
04-06-2004, 08:28 AM
Wow, Yarbles!

Cool down, man.
We all feel eternal gratitude toward our grandfathers that fought and died in WWII, I'm sure. There is no reason to get upset here. Nobody said that there was anything wrong with the monument.

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yarbles67
04-06-2004, 09:38 AM
Rajvosa - go back and re-read georgeo76 manifesto and then get back with me. excuse me while i re-medicate myself http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Rajvosa:
Wow, Yarbles!

Cool down, man.
We all feel eternal gratitude toward our grandfathers that fought and died in WWII, I'm sure. There is no reason to get upset here. Nobody said that there was anything wrong with the monument.

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Rajvosa
04-06-2004, 12:18 PM
Yarbles - don't mind Georgio. Everyone is entitled to have an opinion of their own, right? But if I was Georgio, I'd try to show a bit more appreciation and respect for those guys that spilled their guts all over the world.

They may be a vanishing generation, but we need to show them due respect and gratitude.

And yes, people tend to forget, so we need those memorials, we need them badly.

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georgeo76
04-06-2004, 01:44 PM
I stand by what I said, and I'm extremely pleased that my opinions are offensive to some ppl.(that's an indicator that your thinking for yourself) But I'm not sure what about my post bothers you yarbles. I can see that you don't like me personally (although I question how you can judge my character by what I've written). Anyway, I'm willing to defend my position if you wish to argue that.

P.S. I have read Brokaw's book, and I enjoyed it.

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Abu.Garcia
04-06-2004, 02:03 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I'm extremely pleased that my opinions are offensive to some ppl.(that's an indicator that your thinking for yourself) <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
No, not really. If you were spouting racist or anti-semetic remarks that would probobly be offensive, and would be a sure indicator that your not thinking.

It was like that when I got here.

georgeo76
04-06-2004, 02:20 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Abu.Garcia:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I'm extremely pleased that my opinions are offensive to some ppl.(that's an indicator that your thinking for yourself) <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
No, not really. If you were spouting racist or anti-semetic remarks that would probobly be offensive, and would be a sure indicator that your not thinking.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's why I said that offencive remarks indicate (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=indicate) independant thogught. I didn't say it proved it.

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warweapon2
04-06-2004, 02:33 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RicknZ:
Yip a America was a country all other countries aspired to in WW2.
Hopefully Americans will vote Kerry in and bring those days back.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I KNOW for a fact this guy sure as hell doesn't have a clue about what he is talkin about...

georgeo76
04-06-2004, 02:35 PM
And besides, who says that racist ppl dont' think? Are you saying, any person who happens to disagree w/ your position about human rights or equality is a sub-human incapable of thought?

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Abu.Garcia
04-06-2004, 02:40 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> That's why I said that offencive remarks indicate independant thogught. I didn't say it proved it. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I didnt say being racist proves your not thinking for yourself, I only said it may indicate your a jerk. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

It was like that when I got here.

Abu.Garcia
04-06-2004, 02:42 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>And besides, who says that racist ppl dont' think? Are you saying, any person who happens to disagree w/ your position about human rights or equality is a sub-human incapable of thought? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No, im saying being offensive isnt an indicator of intelligence

It was like that when I got here.

georgeo76
04-06-2004, 02:50 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Abu.Garcia:
No, im saying being offensive isnt an indicator of intelligence<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well, I can't argue w/ that. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/351.gif

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Abu.Garcia
04-06-2004, 05:32 PM
lol, I tip my hat to you. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

It was like that when I got here.

Kampfmeister
04-06-2004, 09:14 PM
I think the whole issue with the memorial isn't that it is being built (better late than never) but where it is being built. Right smack in the middle of the National mall in Washington DC, thus ruining the aesthetics of the whole area. They could have put it somewhere else in DC and it would still be the most impressive war monument ever.

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Originally posted by georgeo76:
I take issue w/ the notion that there ever was a 'greatest generation'. Culture changes, technology changes, people do not.
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I have to agree with him on this point. Each generation has contributed their part to the history of this country (U.S.) in one way or another. Some like the WWII generation more than others. However, I'm getting a little sick of Tom Brokow and his book. Some people have let it really go to their head. Yes, we are allowed to live the good life because of this generations sacrifices, but what of other generations before them. Without the sacrifices of the Civil War generation, we would probably be a divided country today. In a different universe, slavery may have eventually been abolished in the south but their attitudes toward race would still be there. Imagine a Confederate States of America in 1941. They probably would have sided with the Axis.

In my opinion the greatest American generation was actually that of the Revolutionary war. Try reading the book Founding Brothers. Without the men and women of that generation, there would be no United States in the first place.

Obi_Kwiet
04-06-2004, 09:48 PM
Uhhh Rikenz... Get our facts strait. Kerry is preety much daimetricly opposed to most of the values of the WW2 era. That era was still some what driven by Godly principles. (When I say Godly I DON'T mean large liberal churches either) Plus Kerry is aginsnt the war a Iraq. (WW2 fought partilly for saving jews. War Iraq saved easily as many Iraqies. Husain=Hitler) Anayway that era that era is way to conservative for Kerry. Bush might sorta help bring thoes days back, but he's still a bit liberal. He also spends like one too.

PF_RoryOMoore
04-06-2004, 10:06 PM
S! All

Please forgive me but...

What does the current presidential race have to do with the WWII Memorial? RicknZ your statement was so far out of nowhere, I'd think you had torrets (sp.) And Obi, your statement is just plain delusional. The guy in the White House from 1941-45 was considered to be so left wing that he was often called a Socialist and Communist. Hell, in the 90's people protetested his memorial from being built for those reasons amoung others.


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Rajvosa
04-07-2004, 12:42 AM
Obi-Kwiet,

You can't compare ANYONE to Hitler, that beast was in a league of his own.
Having said that, Hussein was a bad boy and now he's tucked away God knows where. Good riddance.

An think about what you are saying about Iraq - people are dying like flyes over there, Americans and Iraqis. Nothing is solved by simply removing Hussein. So, until killings stop, no one can rest.

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RicknZ
04-07-2004, 01:34 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by warweapon2:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RicknZ:
Yip a America was a country all other countries aspired to in WW2.
Hopefully Americans will vote Kerry in and bring those days back.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I KNOW for a fact this guy sure as hell doesn't have a clue about what he is talkin about...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Remind me again n00b didnt both Hitler and Bush invade countries for spurious/propaganda reasons?

Also, America killing 10,000 Iraqi civilians was in for retaliation for what aggression? What did a pregnant Iraqi woman do that deserved her dieing to American cluster bombs?

So dont tell me i know nothing, ppl like you (blind patriots) are reasons why ppl like Hitler got into and stayed in power.

"Gott mein us", motto of the SS and GWB.

RicknZ
04-07-2004, 01:38 AM
What you modern generation yanks fail to realise is that the generation your honouring has nothing to do with you current sad sack of GWB supporters.

Conquering nations for economic gain, bullying/defying the UN, bribing countries to send troops to die for your causes (spain, poland, turkey etc) LIEING, imprisoning without trial etc etc.

If you dont like it tough.

arcadeace
04-07-2004, 02:38 AM
Ricknz, if you keep up these inflammatory posts, which you started, you're gonna get at least one complaint to the Moderator.

The initial subject was about a memorial for WWII veterans. Without hesitation you've instigated highly political and devisive posts in which other's have become inflamed and responded in kind. You're hitting the bottom of the pit here and it doesn't appear you want to stop.

If you post anything political here one more time I'll make my first complaint ever and I hope others reading this will follow. We haven't had a member go this low in a while. You're digging for the worst and I believe completely abused the rules. You did read them, didn't you?

sledgehammer2
04-07-2004, 06:42 AM
Whoa kampfmeister...

I can see this whole thing getting out of hand but I can't let your remarks go w/out a response. You think slavery was only in the south? You think certain types of attitudes exist only in the south? Had it been economically expedient it would have existed elsewhere (such as in the north), but that area was industrialized and not agrarian.

There is no excuse for racist attitudes under any circumstances, but I get sick of the implication that the south is the only place where such attitudes exist or have ever existed.

I tire quickly of people who get easily offended, especially in today's PC world, but what you said just struck me the wrong way. I am from the south and my father served in the Marine Corps in WW2

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