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Bearcat101
09-29-2003, 11:54 PM
You people cant be serious .... there is no way the LO-MAC demo deserves this much bashing, even if it is a Beta 5.
I swear you guys complain about everything.

It surpasses all sims in graphical capability, cockpits (hell, theres even little scratches that are shown when light hits them at the right angle), gameplay (from what Ive seen), sound, and overall fun.

You IL2 junkies complain about the lack of flyables *coughLEADSPITTERcough*. The reason is, number one: the time to meticulously model these HEAVILY detailed jets is vast (IL2 planes dont even compare), two: there is WAY WAYYYY more avionics than IL2 which has slim to none, three: An initial release naturally WONT have as many planes becuase of the fact there are no patches/addons (ala IL2 and FB) to do so.

Some complain that it is "way too easy" to shoot down apposing aircraft, yet some of you cant even figure out how to set avionics to AA, select a target ... much less fire hit something.

Prop simmers need to stop bashing LOMAC and Jet sims in general.


Apples and oranges guys, apples and oranges.

"-When in doubt, empty your magazine.
-Never share a foxhole with anyone braver than you are.
-Never forget that your weapon was made by the lowest bidder.
-If your attack is going really well, it's an ambush.
-No plan survives the first contact intact.
-All 5 second grenade fuses burn down in 3 seconds." Excerpt from Murphy's Laws

Bearcat101
09-29-2003, 11:54 PM
You people cant be serious .... there is no way the LO-MAC demo deserves this much bashing, even if it is a Beta 5.
I swear you guys complain about everything.

It surpasses all sims in graphical capability, cockpits (hell, theres even little scratches that are shown when light hits them at the right angle), gameplay (from what Ive seen), sound, and overall fun.

You IL2 junkies complain about the lack of flyables *coughLEADSPITTERcough*. The reason is, number one: the time to meticulously model these HEAVILY detailed jets is vast (IL2 planes dont even compare), two: there is WAY WAYYYY more avionics than IL2 which has slim to none, three: An initial release naturally WONT have as many planes becuase of the fact there are no patches/addons (ala IL2 and FB) to do so.

Some complain that it is "way too easy" to shoot down apposing aircraft, yet some of you cant even figure out how to set avionics to AA, select a target ... much less fire hit something.

Prop simmers need to stop bashing LOMAC and Jet sims in general.


Apples and oranges guys, apples and oranges.

"-When in doubt, empty your magazine.
-Never share a foxhole with anyone braver than you are.
-Never forget that your weapon was made by the lowest bidder.
-If your attack is going really well, it's an ambush.
-No plan survives the first contact intact.
-All 5 second grenade fuses burn down in 3 seconds." Excerpt from Murphy's Laws

Buzz_25th
09-29-2003, 11:59 PM
That's right apples and oranges. However, this is the apples forum../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-29-2003, 11:59 PM
it sucks not buying it and already removed the demo.

enjoy the 8 flyables in the full version i wont see ya there http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


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XyZspineZyX
09-30-2003, 12:01 AM
"Prop simmers need to stop bashing LOMAC and Jet sims in general."


I agree, that's why a Korean sim would be great. Jets dogfights in a WWII style, without radar and missile cheating /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Cheers,

Cpt.LoneRanger
09-30-2003, 12:01 AM
hehehe

After the first ten whiners appear, the first whiner-whiners show up /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

If this forum wasn't about discussin' flightsims, what is it for, again?

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Buzz_25th
09-30-2003, 12:06 AM
General Discussion (IL-2 Related)


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XyZspineZyX
09-30-2003, 12:06 AM
I come here to whine and moan and groan and B%$#@! My psychologist charges $75 per hour!!!! This is free! Need I say more!

I have not even downloaded the LOMAC demo...but I do know it stinks! I shant be purchasing it either until I see it in the $9.00 bin!



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Cpt.LoneRanger
09-30-2003, 12:11 AM
Buzz_25th wrote:
- General Discussion (IL-2 Related)

Ah, yes, thanks for reminding me /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-30-2003, 12:39 AM
all i know is that i'll need a new computer to enjoy it properly

Bearcat101
09-30-2003, 12:50 AM
tascaso wrote:
- I come here to whine and moan and groan and B%$#@!
- My psychologist charges $75 per hour!!!! This is
- free! Need I say more!
-
- I have not even downloaded the LOMAC demo...but I do
- know it stinks! I shant be purchasing it either
- until I see it in the $9.00 bin!

Thats part of what Im talking about.

Dont judge, you have no right tobash it, especially if you havent even played it.

"-When in doubt, empty your magazine.
-Never share a foxhole with anyone braver than you are.
-Never forget that your weapon was made by the lowest bidder.
-If your attack is going really well, it's an ambush.
-No plan survives the first contact intact.
-All 5 second grenade fuses burn down in 3 seconds." Excerpt from Murphy's Laws

XyZspineZyX
09-30-2003, 01:01 AM
Just see it this way, it´s almost the same as with sport fans and their favorite club. If you think this forum is giving LO:MAC a bad rep, take a visit to the F4 forums on Frugal´s, there are people busting their expertise on the demo who didn´t even bother to download it in the first place.

The LO:MAC demo for sure has alot of problems and arises alot of questions that are unanswered for now, and if i was responsible for UBI/ED´s PR work, i would have made sure that no demo goes public which isn´t based on a recent build that closely resembles the retail product, especially as it has been already said that there are no plans to upgrade the demo.


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Message Edited on 09/30/0312:10AM by Oak_Groove

XyZspineZyX
09-30-2003, 01:02 AM
you just have to accept that there are idiots around. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif Funny, so called 'aviation buffs' knocking a sim isn't it.

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Message Edited on 09/30/0312:03AM by ICAG_Bader

XyZspineZyX
09-30-2003, 01:21 AM
Just installed it. Runs fine except for the 1\100th sound level in-cockpit.

Graphics are good. Flight model is... probably good, as I have never flown an A-10 much less a Mig-29, so I can't really say. Mind you, that A-10 rolls like an FW-190! The explosions are ok. Nothing special. The ground detail is good, but hazy. Guess that's just the weather setting making it that way.

But!... this thing has promise. The Falcon 4 demo sucked, then the game grew to be the most ultra-realistic flight sim outside of NASA. And remember IL2 when the ground objects and enemy planes were black pixels and it looked ridiculous? Now it's great.

I'm sure this thing will be fixed up and made to look and fly really sweet. I'm sure I'll buy it just for fun. 'cause that's all I'm here for, fun. And flight sims are fun. The more - the better.

WWI, WWII, WWII 1\2, Korea, Vietnam, Persian Gulf, Canada invading Guam, I don't care, I want them all.

(But the prop sims really are the best.)



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XyZspineZyX
09-30-2003, 01:51 AM
Buzz_25th wrote:
- That's right apples and oranges. However, this is
- the apples forum.

I say the peaches forum!

XyZspineZyX
09-30-2003, 01:58 AM
It has to be because there are so many kids here.

Thats what some of us keep telling our selvs when we read some of these post.

XyZspineZyX
09-30-2003, 02:03 AM
Anyone that thinks the LOMAC bashing will STOP once it arrives regardless of its state is smoking too many joints. The people will complain and bash regardless period end of story. Get over it!.

XyZspineZyX
09-30-2003, 03:12 AM
I'm not bashing it, I just plain don't like it.

Way too complex....

And that's before you even try to fly one of the things.

The control setup interface is just plain silly.

I'm almost willing to bet that the user's manual for the gold version is at least 150 pages.

Oh well, to each his own.

Until Oleg decides to bring out a Korean War sim, I'll leave the jets on the shelf.

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XyZspineZyX
09-30-2003, 04:57 AM
CHDT wrote:
- "Prop simmers need to stop bashing LOMAC and Jet
- sims in general."
- I agree, that's why a Korean sim would be great.
- Jets dogfights in a WWII style, without radar and
- missile cheating

My sentiments exactly..... The Korean war was a prop style battle with jets.. it would be absolutely fantastic.

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XyZspineZyX
09-30-2003, 05:03 AM
Lomac is very very pretty, but flight model wise it sucks. Before anyone retorts I have flown a full cockpit military simulator for the F-18.

The jets simply do not fly right although everything is very pretty.

Every take-off is optional, but every landing is mandatory!

XyZspineZyX
09-30-2003, 05:26 AM
CHDT wrote:
- "Prop simmers need to stop bashing LOMAC and Jet
- sims in general."
-
-
- I agree, that's why a Korean sim would be great.
- Jets dogfights in a WWII style..........


YES YES YES!!!!!

Korean Jet Sim PLEASE! Sabre's and Mig's.

..............to dream!



Message Edited on 09/29/0309:27PM by Greb

XyZspineZyX
09-30-2003, 07:10 AM
the sound in the cockpit is spot-on from what I can gather. Don't forget that, esp. in the A10's case, the engines are waaay back and the pilot is in a helmet etc etc, they are (apparently) very quiet, unlike the prop things here /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif



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XyZspineZyX
09-30-2003, 07:15 AM
I didn`t bash it. It has potential. I am not a big fan of jets... but i wish LOMAC to succeed. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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Cpt.LoneRanger
09-30-2003, 07:37 AM
ICAG_Bader wrote:
- the sound in the cockpit is spot-on from what I can
- gather. Don't forget that, esp. in the A10's case,
- the engines are waaay back and the pilot is in a
- helmet etc etc, they are (apparently) very quiet,
- unlike the prop things here

That's no reason, why the multi-barrel 30mm gun under the seat is silent as a bee in the cockpit, too /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Well, they allready said, pumping up the volume of the cockpit sound helps. Raised it to 100% myself.

On the other hand it really makes one think about the discussion that was made a month ago, when the demo was finished: Was it really that wise to put a demo out, that's based on an old build?
Don't forget, there have been 5 major new versions by now and almost everything was changed and updated, just within that month.

But then, it really makes me quite sure, things will be fixed in the final. I hope so.... /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-30-2003, 08:11 AM
Beirut wrote:

-
- Graphics are good. Flight model is... probably good,
- as I have never flown an A-10 much less a Mig-29, so
- I can't really say. Mind you, that A-10 rolls like
- an FW-190!
-

Don't forget, the aircraft have had about sixty odd years more advanced than the WWII aircraft we're used to flying. The A-10 come equiped with large power boosted ailerons, very rigid wings, a power to weight ratio that leaves most WWII aircraft in the dust, and large, very high lift wings. Basically, it should be able to TnB with everything we've got in Il-2, and out dive them, out climb them, and out accellerate them, with anything less that maximum external ordinence.

Really, modern fighters have gotten to the point where pilot's limits are exceeded long before the airframe's are even touched. Several of the fighters in the US inventory, while they are rated at 'only' 9G's in light loading can actually take 15 or more without structural difficulty, and are capable of pulling that sort of 'G' load, without the inhibitors engaged.

The stuff that aircraft can do now is simply amazing.

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XyZspineZyX
09-30-2003, 08:14 AM
As for me, I'm a WWII aircraft fan. I hold nothing against anyone who likes jets, but it is my preferrence. I was just wondering though; if my friends want a recommendation for LOMAC, what do I tell them? All I know is it shows system requirements much the same as for IL-2 Forgotten Battles. In other words, a lie! This is especially true with the number of ground hugging missions to be flown in LOMAC.

Was the IL-2 demo any easier on the computer than the full version? I don't know and I'm not going to take the time to check. But maybe someone here knows the answer to this question? If it was easier on your PC than the full version, I'd gamble to say that there is a good chance the same will be true of LOMAC. I wish LOMAC every success. I just hope they will be more honest about system requirements this time, but I'm not betting the farm that they will!




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XyZspineZyX
09-30-2003, 10:16 AM
LuckyBoy1 wrote:
- As for me, I'm a WWII aircraft fan. I hold nothing
- against anyone who likes jets, but it is my
- preferrence. I was just wondering though; if my
- friends want a recommendation for LOMAC, what do I
- tell them? All I know is it shows system
- requirements much the same as for IL-2 Forgotten
- Battles. In other words, a lie!


Hi:

A bit OT, but since my AhtlonXP PC broke the other day, I have been playing on my old PIII-500 and I must say, Fb runs Ok for such CPU:

Average 20fps, max 40, slow on heavy calculations (ground attack and AAA)
PC: PIII 500mhz, 512 SDRam, nVidia_GF4 Ti-4200 128Mbs, 10Gb slow HDD, Win98

I love planes, but I only like hand on hand combats (WWI to Korea)

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XyZspineZyX
09-30-2003, 11:02 AM
This thread is off topic, Lomac is not IL2.

if it wasn't produced by a certain company, this thread would have been locked ages ago.



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XyZspineZyX
09-30-2003, 11:09 AM
What really needs to be done is talk about lo-mac in the lo-mac forums, this is FB.

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XyZspineZyX
09-30-2003, 11:52 AM
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...take your lomac discussions elsewhere...

Zayets
09-30-2003, 11:55 AM
No animated sig , Spit?

Zayets out

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XyZspineZyX
09-30-2003, 11:56 AM
I was bored and decided to make a new one. What do you think of it?

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Zayets
09-30-2003, 12:07 PM
Really cool , especially because of the Jug but if you ask me I would animate those bullet hits , like that plate is being hit by those three bullets. I think would be cool and more than that , will annoy RBJ to death.

Zayets out

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XyZspineZyX
09-30-2003, 09:57 PM
Bearcat101 wrote:
Apples and oranges guys, apples and oranges.

And this is a little something for you:
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or better this:



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XyZspineZyX
09-30-2003, 10:16 PM
I don't get you guys, I like planes modern or classic. If I want to dogfight I must admit I will stick to games like FB but if I want some real technical well planned air to ground missions then the modern jets are the way to go.

When I was a kid I used to be fascinated when going to the cockpit of a 747 and seeing all those buttons. Modern jet games are like FS2004 (planes with lots of buttons and checklists) but with the added bonus of blowing things up. Lomac is a bit buggy but I'm definitely going to give it a try.

If you want to argue that attacking in modern day is too easy, then think of all the buttons and radar settings you have to remember and finding the enemy isn't all that simple.

If you want to argue that modern fighters are too complex then I'm afraid that FB doesn't even model half of the crap you had to do before and during take off in an Bf 109 etc. Read Mark Hanna's story on flying the 109 here
http://www.bf109.com/frameset.html About half way down the "Flying the Messerschmitt Bf 109" page

Then again I have to think of my flatmate who bought the original IL2 because he didn't like the compexity of modern fighter sims, he gave up within an hour and hasn't touched it since (too bloody hard)/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
09-30-2003, 11:07 PM
i think all the whiners are actually microsoft employees competing for a years worth o free coffee at starbucks, all to please the boss............and rack up those starbucks post points......

XyZspineZyX
09-30-2003, 11:41 PM
I don't like the FM in Lomac. Someone mentioned it felt like flying a kite. I agree.

XyZspineZyX
09-30-2003, 11:49 PM
really, how do you know? Have you flown a MiG29? How is it like flying a kite exactly? Computer games are a lot of tings but never heard them likened to kites. Had to laugh.

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Bearcat101
09-30-2003, 11:56 PM
This thread is [b]not[b/] about LO-MAC specifically, its about the whining and bashing of it.

I, like others, have said: Dont judge the FM when you havent experienced it for yourself in real life. DOnt try and feed us the "Oh, the FM sucks becuase I think it does" crap. Please.

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-Never share a foxhole with anyone braver than you are.
-Never forget that your weapon was made by the lowest bidder.
-If your attack is going really well, it's an ambush.
-No plan survives the first contact intact.
-All 5 second grenade fuses burn down in 3 seconds." Excerpt from Murphy's Laws

XyZspineZyX
10-01-2003, 12:00 AM
I guess I should just wait for the full version. I still really like FB.

Hawgdog
10-01-2003, 12:02 AM
pfffft
dont even know what a lomac is, but if aint FB it dont get any bling-bling here

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