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XyZspineZyX
08-28-2003, 04:36 AM
Hello everyone

I've been putting off getting v1.1b for a few reasons. For one thing, I'm still using a 56K dial-up modem, and with the patch being some 42MB in size, I've been hesitant to take the time to download it. More importantly, I've been waiting to see what other people think about it, and from what I've been hearing, feelings are mixed. Some people like it, and some people hate it. So, I've been wondering, should I get it, or should I leave my copy of FB as v1.0 and wait for the final(?) "official" patch to be released?
I have a few questions that I'm hoping you can answer to help me make my decision.

1. Remember back when v1.2 of the original IL-2 was released and the Ju-87B-2 Stuka was finally made flyable? It was probably the best Stuka of any flight sim. Virtual cockpit, 3d model, and flight model all nearly flawless. Then, in FB, it wasn't the same. Particularly, when you deployed the dive-brakes, the aircraft no longer trimmed nose-heavy to assist in getting into the vertical position, and also, after the bomb was released, it no longer trimmed tail-heavy to assist in dive recovery. So, I ask, has the Stuka been fixed (i.e. back to the way it was in IL-2: v1.2)?

2. Has the AI gunnery been been fixed, or can the AI still pull off impossible deflection shots with just a handful of small caliber ammunition?

3. Have any drastic changes been made to the flight model of the Bf-109? Particularly, variants E-4, E-7/B, F-4, G-2, and G-14? (Note: I already know about the Emil's new auto. prop. pitch control option)

Thank you. Your answers are greatly appreciated.

Best regards,
Tattered Boots.

XyZspineZyX
08-28-2003, 04:36 AM
Hello everyone

I've been putting off getting v1.1b for a few reasons. For one thing, I'm still using a 56K dial-up modem, and with the patch being some 42MB in size, I've been hesitant to take the time to download it. More importantly, I've been waiting to see what other people think about it, and from what I've been hearing, feelings are mixed. Some people like it, and some people hate it. So, I've been wondering, should I get it, or should I leave my copy of FB as v1.0 and wait for the final(?) "official" patch to be released?
I have a few questions that I'm hoping you can answer to help me make my decision.

1. Remember back when v1.2 of the original IL-2 was released and the Ju-87B-2 Stuka was finally made flyable? It was probably the best Stuka of any flight sim. Virtual cockpit, 3d model, and flight model all nearly flawless. Then, in FB, it wasn't the same. Particularly, when you deployed the dive-brakes, the aircraft no longer trimmed nose-heavy to assist in getting into the vertical position, and also, after the bomb was released, it no longer trimmed tail-heavy to assist in dive recovery. So, I ask, has the Stuka been fixed (i.e. back to the way it was in IL-2: v1.2)?

2. Has the AI gunnery been been fixed, or can the AI still pull off impossible deflection shots with just a handful of small caliber ammunition?

3. Have any drastic changes been made to the flight model of the Bf-109? Particularly, variants E-4, E-7/B, F-4, G-2, and G-14? (Note: I already know about the Emil's new auto. prop. pitch control option)

Thank you. Your answers are greatly appreciated.

Best regards,
Tattered Boots.

XyZspineZyX
08-28-2003, 04:42 AM
I recommend getting a download manager that will save in case your connection gets cut before completion.

And yes, definitely d/l the patch.


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XyZspineZyX
08-28-2003, 07:03 AM
LOL ,your mad ,

XyZspineZyX
08-28-2003, 07:13 AM
1. I never owned IL-2 but in 1.1 the Stuka releases it's payload with one button press instead of two and after you release it has an "autopilot" (similar to what it had in real life from what I've heard) to pull out of your dive.

2. Yes the AI gunners are less accurate but don't underestimate the power of bombers flying in formation. They can no longer pull off the amazing one bullet one kill shots but they are still a force to be reckoned with.

3. I don't fly the 109's enough to answer this one sorry.

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XyZspineZyX
08-28-2003, 07:50 AM
i got a massive improvements in FPS with perfect settings on my ATI card.

previously perfect was unplayable but now it is fine with the new patch.

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XyZspineZyX
08-28-2003, 08:02 AM
DUHHHHH

lol but seriously i'm 56k and i get speeds of 55k which is pretty damn good, and with DAP (download accelerator plus) it only took me 2 hours to download. i just started downloading and then went to watch a movie. before you know it its finished.


anyone do the same thing?


you could always wait until the patch comes out in PC POWERPLAY or PC GAMEPLAY

XyZspineZyX
08-28-2003, 02:41 PM
Hi Boots

I'm almost in the same situation, i have an 56k internet bandwidth at home but at the office its on a T1 connection i'm riding so downloaded the patch in about 7 minutes...but...BUT...i've heard soo many contradictions with this patch.

Positive changes

1. i won't discuss FM as this is a personal taste of each one of us..i really doubt that more than 0.0001% of those who complain about it have actual technical evidence of some bug.

2. AI reworked with more AIntelligent wingmen.

3. No more sniper AAA

4.p40 dive bug fixed

5. Improved fps

Negative Changes

1.Sound problem

2.Track recording doesn't worked normally, you have to use the .ntrk feature.

3.Old tracks (pre-patch)don't play correctly since FM has changed..this is probably the mos serious drawback for me.


SUM

Oleg has stated that Sound and Tracks Bug will be addressed in next patch

So the Winner is...


No i won't download it until those bugs are fixed, for now FB runs smoothly appart some RAM issues completely understandable considering 32 planes in the air in final stages of the war on the skies over Berlin...

1. Some sound issue




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XyZspineZyX
08-28-2003, 04:43 PM
Don't get DAP! Has adverts and the gui isn't very good.

Here is a better one IMO (and got good votes on the freeware websites): 'Fresh Download' www.freshdevices.com (http://www.freshdevices.com)

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XyZspineZyX
08-28-2003, 05:46 PM
Well.... if you like flying online you really don't have any choice/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-28-2003, 07:29 PM
Thank you everyone for your input, especially Shifty101 and jagaetev. Great info., thanks guys. I think what I'm going to do is install IL-2 Sturmovik: Forgotten Battles a second time in a different folder so that I'll have two on the same system. That way, I can download the patch, install it to one of them, do experiments, test different aircraft etc., and leave the other one the way it is (v1.0). That way, if I don't like the patch, I'll just uninstall the one that was upgraded to v1.1b, and the other one [(v1.0) the one with campaigns in progress, tracks, etc.] will remain unchanged.

fradd wrote:
- Well...if you like flying online you really don't
- have any choice.

I don't play online. As I said in my original post, I'm still using a 56K dial-up modem. To top that off, the modem does not have a dedicated phone line. The modem, phone, and fax all use the same line. Also, I'm not signed up for a wire maintenance plan with my phone company. So, on a good day, my actual connection speed is about 36K. For example, right now, as I'm typing this, my connection speed is 34.6K. So, as you can see, online play is out of the question. I would like to upgrade to a cable or DSL modem and possibly switch my ISP, but there's just one problem, I'M FLAT BROKE! As soon as I get some extra cash, I would like to make those changes. As well as get Adobe Photoshop (or something equivalent to it) so I can make some custom skins. Then, maybe I'll see about joining a virtual squadron (preferably one that flies, mainly, early model Bf-109s). When, and if, those things happen, you might see me online, but not until then.

Thanks again everyone, for your replies.

Best regards,
Tattered Boots.

XyZspineZyX
08-28-2003, 08:30 PM
i play on 56k here its great ,on line flying is the best part of il2fb ,your skill will inprove and meet guys who love the same game ,+ team speak ,skins ,etc the list goes on ,come join the fun when you can

XyZspineZyX
08-29-2003, 01:22 AM
I think you've got a good idea about having both versions - there's some neat stuff in the patch and I keep trying it out to test stuff, but I also keep dropping back to 1.0 to fly my campaign missions 'cause the "giganto flak explosion bug" is just too disturbing for me to enjoy playing with the patched version.

I thought I'd found a workaround by setting "attenuation" to 2 or 3 in the conf.ini file, as that seemed to muffle the huge explosion noises for a few missions, BUT they showed up again out of the blue last night and almost blasted me out of my chair again, so now I've dropped back to FB 1.0 again and am eagerly awaiting the next patch and/or quickie sound hotfix.


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michapma
08-29-2003, 08:42 AM
Tattered Boots,

Great name. /i/smilies/16x16_robot-happy.gif

You have an excellent idea about parallel installations. However, you will be frustrated if you try to install a new version from CD. It will want to uninstall the current version and then do a reinstall. So don't use the CDs to install a parallel patchable version.

Instead, simply rename the FB root folder to something like "IL2 Sturmovik Forgotten Battles orig". Then create a parallel folder with the name of the original, should be just "IL2 Sturmovik Forgotten Battles", and copy the entire contents of the original FB folder. This way you get to keep all of your personalized settings, your campaigns, created missions, etc. Delete your desktop icons and make new ones by dragging them with the mouse while holding Ctrl+Shift. I have desktop shortcuts to the il2fb.exe, il2setup and config.ini, and I rename them to reflect the patch, because I also have the shortcuts to the pre-patch version.

Here is something that might be helpful. Start up il2setup for the new version, select default video and sound settings, and hit ok. Then start the game, go into the quick mission builder and fly around in any plane for a few seconds. Then exit the game and go back and redo your video and sound settings. This is recommended procedure whenever patching, the configuration settings need resetting for some reason; a lot of people (including me) tend to overlook it.

I'd like to tell you that even a reduced 56k connection is quite doable for online fun. Just install Hyperlobby and try it out, it can be extremely fun. In fact you will likely find yourself torn between flying online and offline for a while. Be carefu&mdash;my modem bill got so high that it only made sense to switch to broadband. /i/smilies/16x16_robot-very-happy.gif

Have fun!
Mike

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XyZspineZyX
08-30-2003, 12:00 AM
michapma wrote:
- Tattered Boots,
-
- You have an excellent idea about parallel
- installations. However, you will be frustrated if
- you try to install a new version from CD. It will
- want to uninstall the current version and then do a
- reinstall. So don't use the CDs to install a
- parallel patchable version.

I found that out the hard way, but thanks anyway. What I ended up doing was similar to what you suggested. In the FB root folder, I created a new folder and named it FB#2. I then copied the contents of the original to the new folder. So, the file pathway for the new copied version reads something like this: C:\Program Files\Ubi Soft\FB#2\IL-2 Sturmovik Forgotten Battles. I think it should do the job. Although, I still haven't downloaded the patch yet. I'm still trying to find a time when I can devote 4 hours to it. Maybe this weekend. Oh, by the way, I love your idea about creating new desktop icons by dragging the ones from the FB folder(s). I'll definitely do that. I'll also put some serious thought to playing online, even with a reduced 56K connection.

Thanks for the great advice.

Best regards,
Tattered Boots.

XyZspineZyX
08-31-2003, 06:21 PM
The only good things ive found with the patch is that the P40 doesnt explode in a dive and the AI aircraft with wings shot off behave more realistically.Also there is a need for a bit of right rudder on take off in the 109 but still needs more.
AI aircraft disappear after landing.This is cr*p.
The aircraft do not lose speed quickly enough with the throttle closed and float on forever.
The dust clouds on every take off and at low level are silly.Over a desert maybe, but not from concrete runways and grass.Check the spitfire low pass clip thats been circulating if you need proof.
The sound.... lets not go there.
I dont fly online so i cant comment on any improvements or otherwise in that department.
Overall i would stick with V 1.0 at least until the sound is fixed.



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Message Edited on 08/31/0306:34PM by Dogtail2

XyZspineZyX
08-31-2003, 06:49 PM
i would wait til the next patch is released./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
08-31-2003, 07:26 PM
I'm afraid that curiosity will be killing you till you do.

I loaded it straight off and haven't suffered since

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XyZspineZyX
08-31-2003, 07:36 PM
I also have a 56 modem i normaly get about 40kbps. Since I started flying on line i havent even touched the offine compains.

Online is a blast, very chalenging. I have met some realy good guy's. I dont mean just my squad, other people as well.

So go get Hyperlobby and get your but online and have a blast.

Yes, download the pach, over all it is an improvement.


Go have some fun!


Silent out...