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xTHRUDx
04-01-2004, 12:38 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> quote:
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Originally posted by necrobaron:
I'd love to have rescue missions in a PBY and other amphibious/sea planes.
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Luthier wrote:


Well we won't have a flyable PBY in PF, at least I'm not aware of it being finished anytime soon - so I'm not sure how that could work.

It certainly is very easy to create a "floating debris" static object, but I really don't know how we can make it fun for the player since we won't have any flyable seaplanes useful for rescue missions.


Dinghies though, funny you should ask... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>



how can you have a pacific sim with out a PBY? Gib made the external, and is working on the internal now.
check it out; http://gibbageart.com/pbyproject.htm


-anti-shipping missions from PBY's based out of small island bases or seaplane tenders.
-night time airfield harrasment missions
-PBY's doing dumbo missions (picking up downed crew) you could actualy support your squad on a mission by flying rescue for them.

can i get an Amen from the community on this. i'd be willing to pay 2x for a PBY.
Grumman Duck?
Kingfisher?

am i alone on this desire?

xTHRUDx
04-01-2004, 12:38 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> quote:
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Originally posted by necrobaron:
I'd love to have rescue missions in a PBY and other amphibious/sea planes.
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Luthier wrote:


Well we won't have a flyable PBY in PF, at least I'm not aware of it being finished anytime soon - so I'm not sure how that could work.

It certainly is very easy to create a "floating debris" static object, but I really don't know how we can make it fun for the player since we won't have any flyable seaplanes useful for rescue missions.


Dinghies though, funny you should ask... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>



how can you have a pacific sim with out a PBY? Gib made the external, and is working on the internal now.
check it out; http://gibbageart.com/pbyproject.htm


-anti-shipping missions from PBY's based out of small island bases or seaplane tenders.
-night time airfield harrasment missions
-PBY's doing dumbo missions (picking up downed crew) you could actualy support your squad on a mission by flying rescue for them.

can i get an Amen from the community on this. i'd be willing to pay 2x for a PBY.
Grumman Duck?
Kingfisher?

am i alone on this desire?

luthier1
04-01-2004, 12:39 AM
I said there will be no flyable PBY. I didn't say there will be no PBY.

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xTHRUDx
04-01-2004, 12:42 AM
sorry , corrected the topic title. i meant to put flyable

necrobaron
04-01-2004, 12:42 AM
I'm with ya,Thrud.... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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-HH-Dubbo
04-01-2004, 01:46 AM
AMEN
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luthier1
04-01-2004, 01:51 AM
Sigh. There's just no pleasing you guys http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif We do have some very exciting flyables, and plenty of bombers which are more versatile than the PBY. You'll get your anti-shipping, strafing, high and low altitude bombing, parafrags, etc. Plenty of targets too. You'll have fun.

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LEXX_Luthor
04-01-2004, 02:00 AM
Any floatplanes like KingFisher or a Japanese float plane?

The Ar~196 always looked more Fun than PBY anyway, so any Pacific float plane would be alot of Fun too.

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Art-J
04-01-2004, 03:16 AM
The PBN version as we have in FB now was used by USN in small numbers only, nearly all of them were sent to Russia. So frankly, I wouldn't like to see it in PF. If we want to keep it historical, let's keep it.
In that case we need earlier PBY wariants and Gibb wrote he planned modelling PBY-5A but I guess It'll be hard to find spare time on it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

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sopwithkennel
04-01-2004, 03:20 AM
Can we have ship launched floatplanes? When I say this I want to be able to fly a plane that is catapulted off the ship.

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buz13
04-01-2004, 05:54 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by luthier1:
Sigh. There's just no pleasing you guys http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif We do have some very exciting flyables, and plenty of bombers which are more versatile than the PBY. http://www.il2center.com/PF.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ok great! So how about a list of aircraft that are known to be in PF at this point in development? I bet you would please lots of people with that. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

chris455
04-01-2004, 08:22 AM
[QUOTE] (from Luthier)
"...........You'll get your anti-shipping, strafing, high and low altitude bombing, parafrags, etc. Plenty of targets too. You'll have fun.

He said parafrags. PARAFRAGS!!!!!!!!
YIPPPPEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!
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delinker
04-01-2004, 10:29 AM
First off, hello and greetingshttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Allow me to say that I'm THRILLED about the prospect of seeing the F4U or F6N fighters and other PTO specific aircraft. The IL2 engine is profound in it's ability to present outstanding flight dynamics and hours of fun. But let's get one thing settled straight away: historical accuracy is great and I say push for it if possible. But DON'T fall into the "we didn't have time to model the PBY Catalina" or "we can't build it because we lack the housing structure plan for the electrical harness" routine. If you are going to make a race car you don't settle for a really fast sedan that looks like a race car; you build a full fledged race car, i.e., a car for racing. For going fast. For perfomance. Specific to it's intended role and no corners cut for expediency.

Likewise, if you are building a PTO combat flight sim, don't settle for less. Build the PBY (and any other obvious picks) as flyable planes. You know people are gong to ask for this stuff and it's expected as a classic PTO military plane. Watching the AI control the planes that you dream of piloting is only a fraction of the fun; flying the plane itself is the whole smash and the reason why we are all so giddy about 1C/Maddox & Co. and their abilty to render this stuff.

No, I'm not whining straight out of the gate. I LOVE the PTO idea and it's SUPER COOL that somebody is going to do it. In fact, let's get Korean Air Combat in there too! F-86 Sabre. Nuff said http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif But I notice a disheartening trend towards laziness when it comes to shelving the most obvious, ubiquitos aircraft in these sims (FB=no flyable C47. Why?) and sticking them in the hands of the AI instead. A hundred variations of the Bf-109 and P-51 Mustang will not suffice forever. Nor will it present the most one can do with this genre and the 'Maddox' engine can really do so much more than that anyway.

I realize that it's difficult work to code an aircraft and I am not a programmer for that reason. So, kudos to you that do this for a living you have my respect and admiration. But please don't skimp on the potential of this PTO title for the sake of getting it out the door quickly. If you need two years to get this thing straight, with all the flyables that folks are dying for, then take three. We WILL be here when you are ready! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif Sorry for going long on this one. Cheers~

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EDIT: in regards to my comments, I'm not suggesting that you guys sacrifice accuracy over expediency; my analogy about the race car means that you should plan on modelling these planes and make them work for human pilots, and do so as accurately as possible (as always http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif) but don't hold back just because you don't have reference to the lug pattern for the landing gear. Yes, build the perfect race car but don't miss the race because of some otherwise minor detail that ultimately plays no role in the handling of the car itself (i.e., upholstery or some such nonsense). I thought my position might be confusing based on the flow of the wordage so I wanted to clarify that. THanks again for listenting and for all that you do for the flight sim community http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

LEXX_Luthor
04-01-2004, 10:43 AM
Its the work involved in creating all the Flyable crew positions. It takes too long to make alot of Flyable large multi engine planes because of cockpit modding for all crew stations.

Solution:: Make pilot station Flyable only and maybe, maybe not, one (1) other crew station--top gunner seems popular, side and belly gunners less popular. Other crew stations can be added in a Patch later, if needed or even if desired.

Also for some large bombers that are less well known, pilot station alone may be the only way. For example, where to find pics of SB bomber gunner station? Don't forget, the IL~2 Field Mod in FB does not have Flyable rear gunner.

Lucky_Skunk
04-01-2004, 11:03 AM
Why would the devs. waste valuable time and resources to make a non-combatants flyable? Really, who is going to do a PBY campaign? Who is going to DF with it online? What would your mission goals be as a PBY Pilot? I know it would be kewl to fly a PBY, but come on.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>A hundred variations of the Bf-109 and P-51 Mustang will not suffice forever. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

How long do you think a PBY or C-47 would suffice most players? I think 40 flyables will keep most everyone happy for a while.

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PF_Talus
04-01-2004, 11:08 AM
Luthier, did you say parafrags? I'll preorder right now!


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delinker
04-01-2004, 11:33 AM
Lucky Skunk: I appreciate your position on that. No, the PBY in and of itself probably won't light many fires but as part of a campaign or mission set it would add a new dimension. The PBY can be used in many ways as part of a mission plan, either for 'hauling VIPs' to fwd areas under fighter escort, resupply missions, photo recon, etc. I can see many ways that it can contribute to the depth of the game but we'll never know unless it's made flyable.

I'm not saying it's the hingepin that will hold the whole thing together or anything but it's an example to me of how textured this game can be.

Victurus te Saluto

TAGERT.
04-01-2004, 11:51 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by luthier1:
Sigh. There's just no pleasing you guys http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Dang.. I dont think I have ever seen a mod burn out this fast? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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nanuuq
04-01-2004, 11:53 AM
Lucky_Skunk, Who would do a flyable PBY Campaign? I WOULD! Did you ever hear of the famed PBY Squadron, the "Black Cats"? You could go out on night patrol/anti-shipping missions.

The problem is everybody wants the fastest aircraft so they can be online aces/heros. There is more to WW2 than dogfighting.

Also, I am not an online player. I dont see the realistic value of having Russian/German planes fighting in the South Pacific. Everybody complains about the realistic value of gun dispersion, roll rates, etc.... but they want to throw aircraft that took now part in this theater in. Dont make sense to me http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif

I cant wait for this game. There are going to be over 40+ flyable aircraft. There will be torpedo bombers, dive bombers, multi-engine bombers. This is going to be great.

Sorry if people want to get the realistic feeling of WW2 aviation by flying PBY's and C-47's. Do you think the pilots complained when they had to do missions in these "non-combatant" aircraft? I doubt it!

nanuuq

xTHRUDx
04-01-2004, 12:16 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Lucky_Skunk:
Why would the devs. waste valuable time and resources to make a non-combatants flyable? Really, who is going to do a PBY campaign? Who is going to DF with it online? What would your mission goals be as a PBY Pilot? I know it would be kewl to fly a PBY, but come on.

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Skunk, check out this website http://www.daveswarbirds.com/blackcat/contents.htm
read the stories, see the pics and tell me this plane was an non-combatant.
i consider the YP-80, 109z, GO-229 non-combatants and yet we got them.

i would fly a campaign for it
i would fly it online in a DF map (but i only fly on FR scripted servers like GG) so the plane would probably have a mission goal. after all P = patrol B = bomber Y = Consolidated

luthier1
04-01-2004, 12:34 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PF_Talus:
Luthier, did you say parafrags? I'll preorder right now!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yup, you heard me right http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


Regarding the flyable PBY. Please understand guys that in essence a flight sim is a development project like any other. You have your resources, your budget, and your priorities. When we started this project we knew right away how much time and resources we'd be able to dedicate to cockpits. Then we had to decide which exact planes to build with the resources we've had. You know we're going to choose to make the F4F and F4U flyable rather than PBY, right?

I'm not saying I'm absolutely opposed to making the PBY flyable, ever. If Gibbage completes his cockpit and gives it to us, I'll gladly release the PBY as a flyable. However don't bombard him with requests - he's working on another project right now which I believe is much more important, and it would make absolutely no sense to drop it for the sake of the PBY.

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TAGERT.
04-01-2004, 12:45 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by luthier1:
Regarding the flyable PBY. Please understand guys that in essence a flight sim is a development project like any other. You have your resources, your budget, and your priorities.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>True.. one might even say it goes without saying! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by luthier1:
When we started this project we knew right away how much time and resources we'd be able to dedicate to cockpits. Then we had to decide which exact planes to build with the resources we've had.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Ok....

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by luthier1:
You know we're going to choose to make the F4F and F4U flyable rather than PBY, right?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>That statment rasies my BULLS**T flag!! Come on.. I mean if your going to charge full price for a game.. a pacific game without the F4F or F4u would be a JOKE! So.. please.. spare me!

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by luthier1:
I'm not saying I'm absolutely opposed to making the PBY flyable, ever. If Gibbage completes his cockpit and gives it to us, I'll gladly release the PBY as a flyable.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Last time I saw Gibb he showed us his PBY cockpit.. it looked pretty much DONE! Gun positions and all.. Just a few skins/coloring left, but the 3D aspcets of the cockpit were pretty much done.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by luthier1:
However don't bombard him with requests - he's working on another project right now which I believe is much more important, and it would make absolutely no sense to drop it for the sake of the PBY.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>No sense to who? I think we should allow Gibb to be the judge of what *he* belives is more *important* to him! And what little I know of Gibb is he LOVES the PBY.. more so then just about any other model he has done!

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LEXX_Luthor
04-01-2004, 12:51 PM
Apologies to Luthier, we ~all~ know you said "F4U First" with a smile. Of course that makes sense.

(and Ki~27 before PBY too!!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif )

Whatever you have will be Great.

Have you considered modding large aircraft pilot cockpits without the other crew positions? Maybe add other crew positions later in a Patch if we want them (you watch us, we won't for the most part).

luthier1
04-01-2004, 12:52 PM
Oh Jees.

How can I be even more clear? If Gibbage finishes the PBY by the project deadline, you'll get it flyable. However I also gave him another project to work on, which he also has to complete by the same deadline. If you think Gibbage should quit his day job and stop having a life, dedicating all his time to working on multiple projects at the same time, please suggest this to him via a PM. I'm sure he'll tell you his opinion on that.

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Lucky_Skunk
04-01-2004, 01:33 PM
The point being, resources are limited for making this game as is, and I would like to see it in 6 months and not 2 years.

If Gib can pull the PBY together, and there are some "leftover" resources, then make the PBY flyable. Otherwise, I don't want to see this get pushed back so that a plane, that saw some action, is flyable to satisfy a few people.

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delinker
04-01-2004, 01:54 PM
No worries mate we can wait six months or whatever it takes to build a flyable sim plane. Just take your time and get them done properly and issue patches or something. We trust your talents and will prove our support by buying the game.

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Gibbage1
04-01-2004, 02:05 PM
Its my full intention to complete the PBY as a flyable, and turn it into a PBY-5a. I am currently very busy, but recently got more time to work on my private projects. I am not making any money off of the PBY and will be free for Luthier or Oleg to implament when its done.

I also think its rather insane not to have a Pacific flight sim without a PBY http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif But hay. Its not my game! Hehehe. There will eventually be a PBY flyable in the Pacific.

ARSNL
04-01-2004, 02:23 PM
Thank you for that Gibbage.

I would never worry about a 1C sim not having every plane on release. Have you ever seen a game that adds so much in patches?

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Gibbage1
04-01-2004, 02:34 PM
I agree. Oleg's generosity NEVER ceases to amaze me. CFS3 hardly fixed any of there bugs, let alone release new aircraft for free.

xTHRUDx
04-01-2004, 02:42 PM
thanks for your time guys, you answered my questions

-HH-Dubbo
04-01-2004, 02:56 PM
Hey Gibbage, is the PBY5a you are modelling an amphibian or just a boat? Either way is great mate, just wondering. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

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delinker
04-01-2004, 02:58 PM
Aye, and I agree with that one http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Mr. Gibbage you boys play your cards right with this thing and you will get paid for a long time to come on this franchise http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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TAGERT.
04-01-2004, 03:01 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by luthier1:
Oh Jees.

How can I be even more clear?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Dont know.. but keep trying!!

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by luthier1:
If Gibbage finishes the PBY by the project deadline, you'll get it flyable.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Makes perfect sense to me..

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by luthier1:
However I also gave him another project to work on, which he also has to complete by the same deadline.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Never said you did or didnt

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by luthier1:
If you think Gibbage should quit his day job and stop having a life, dedicating all his time to working on multiple projects at the same time, please suggest this to him via a PM. I'm sure he'll tell you his opinion on that.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Now I think I understand why you are not clear.. in that your not reading things correctly.. Go back and look at my reply to you.. I simiply said I think Gibb should be the one to decide what is important to Gibb.. And thus what to do in his spare time.. Copy?

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TAGERT.
04-01-2004, 03:06 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gibbage1:
Its my full intention to complete the PBY as a flyable, and turn it into a PBY-5a. I am currently very busy, but recently got more time to work on my private projects. I am not making any money off of the PBY and will be free for Luthier or Oleg to implament when its done.

I also think its rather insane not to have a Pacific flight sim without a PBY http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif But hay. Its not my game! Hehehe. There will eventually be a PBY flyable in the Pacific.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Thanks Gibb! Nice to see that your still in charge of what Gibb "believes is much more important" to Gibb.. And that it is NOT at the cost of having the F4F or F4u in a PACIFIC SIM! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

PS.. About time to start that CA Chino thread again.. it is in May right? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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Gibbage1
04-01-2004, 03:50 PM
Ya. We have more then a month to prep for the Chino air show. I know I will be there. Its funny. I will be meeting Luthier and Oleg at E3 most likley Friday, and Saturday is Chino. Im gonna need to exercise!!! E3 is HUGE!

xTHRUDx
04-01-2004, 04:09 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dubbo2:
Hey Gibbage, is the PBY5a you are modelling an amphibian or just a boat? Either way is great mate, just wondering. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

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the 5A has landing gear. the 5, 4, and older don't

TAGERT.
04-01-2004, 04:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gibbage1:
Ya. We have more then a month to prep for the Chino air show. I know I will be there. Its funny. I will be meeting Luthier and Oleg at E3 most likley Friday, and Saturday is Chino. Im gonna need to exercise!!! E3 is HUGE!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Is E3 in LA this year?

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Gibbage1
04-01-2004, 04:28 PM
Yep! I think it was only held out of LA 1 year. It went to Seattle. It failed, so they came back. Oleg and Luthier will both be there along with me.

uhoh7
04-01-2004, 04:41 PM
any plans for a flyable pete?

Gibbage1
04-01-2004, 04:53 PM
At least not by me at least. I may do an AI Emely later for fun (if its not already done). But there is no posted official aircraft list yet.

[This message was edited by Gibbage1 on Thu April 01 2004 at 05:11 PM.]

necrobaron
04-01-2004, 05:18 PM
Here's a belated "Thank you",Gib. Maybe with a flyable PBY,we can have those rescue missions after all. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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luthier1
04-01-2004, 05:21 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gibbage1:
At least not by me at least. I may do an AI Emely later for fun. But there is no official aircraft list yet.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

There IS an official aircraft list, it just hasn't been made public yet. Please Kevin don't make any more comments like this which may cause more wild rumors to circulate. What made you possibly decide we don't have the Emily already made for this project?

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Gibbage1
04-01-2004, 06:07 PM
Dont know. I said I "may" do an Emely. If its taken, then I may not http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif As for "official aircraft list" I was talking about a public aircraft list. The only thing we know fire sure is F4F, Zero, Ki-84, F6F, and Kate (from the screenshots you posted). I also see a Brewster in your sig. I think I should put sometihng in my sig that says "My post's are my asumptions only, and in no way linked to fact". http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

If the Emely is taken, to bad. I kinda wanted to model her. An Emely was the only reason why the PBY Catalina crew found the Jap fleet at Midway. The Catalina was looking for an Emely that shot them up the previous day when they found the fleet.

There are other jap floatplanes I could do 3rd party. Maybe once the official list is posted the 3rd party modelers can pick it appart http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif For now, its the PBY for me.

luthier1
04-01-2004, 06:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gibbage1:
The only thing we know fire sure is F4F, Zero, Ki-84, F6F, and Kate (from the screenshots you posted). <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Kate? You mean the Val in the banner up top, plus the Betty in the other corner? Those are all in-game models, both will be flyable as mentioned in the press release http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

BTW are we finally going to do that fishing rod in the PBY or what?

http://www.il2center.com/PF.jpg

Gibbage1
04-01-2004, 06:54 PM
Thats a Val? Ugh. Shows you my limited knolege of Jap crap. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif I forgot about the Betty. I cant wait to light a few of those up! F4F-3's with even only 4 M2's were able to take down fleets of them! First navy ace took down 5 in 1 pass at Midway with just 4 Browning's. I hope I can duplicate that feat http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Burning Betty's are good.

Gib

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by luthier1:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gibbage1:
The only thing we know fire sure is F4F, Zero, Ki-84, F6F, and Kate (from the screenshots you posted). <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Kate? You mean the Val in the banner up top, plus the Betty in the other corner? Those are all in-game models, both will be flyable as mentioned in the press release http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

BTW are we finally going to do that fishing rod in the PBY or what?

http://www.il2center.com/PF.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

My post's are my asumptions only, and in no way linked to fact. I am not an official 1C, Ubi, or Russian Red Rocket spokesman.

nanuuq
04-01-2004, 10:38 PM
Dear Gibbage1,

How about the PBM Mariner? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

nanuuq

necrobaron
04-01-2004, 10:45 PM
Or a Coronado,or a Short Sunderland,or a Grumman Goose,or a Sikorsky JRS-1,or Grumman J2F-2 Duck,or a OS2U Kingfisher....or...or...okay I'll stop. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/53.gif

"Not all who wander are lost."

TAGERT.
04-02-2004, 05:30 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gibbage1:
Yep! I think it was only held out of LA 1 year. It went to Seattle. It failed, so they came back. Oleg and Luthier will both be there along with me.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Seattle? I thought it went to atlanta? I use to go to the E3's years ago.. have not been in years.. but I thought they allways went back and forth between LA and Atlanta? Enh.. But must be LA only.. in that it seems like it was just here a few months back

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TAGERT

luthier1
04-02-2004, 05:56 PM
I actually wanted to make a Kingfisher, but then we decided to do an extra Japanese plane instead. Sorry http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

http://www.il2center.com/PF.jpg

Gibbage1
04-02-2004, 06:05 PM
Maybe I can model a J2F-2 Duck later as AI only, if its not already done of course. I kinda like the Duck. There is a flyable Duck at Chino that I have seen fly a few times.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by necrobaron:
Or a Coronado,or a Short Sunderland,or a Grumman Goose,or a Sikorsky JRS-1,or Grumman J2F-2 Duck,or a OS2U Kingfisher....or...or...okay I'll stop. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/53.gif

"Not all who wander are lost."<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

My post's are my asumptions only, and in no way linked to fact. I am not an official 1C, Ubi, or Russian Red Rocket spokesman.

necrobaron
04-02-2004, 06:15 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by luthier1:
I actually wanted to make a Kingfisher, but then we decided to do an extra Japanese plane instead. Sorry http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

http://www.il2center.com/PF.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well,there are always patches right? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

And Gib,it'd be great if you'd do a Duck...err...I mean a JSF-2. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

"Not all who wander are lost."

RAAFVirtSqn
04-03-2004, 12:34 AM
Dear Luthier and Gibbage,

I can see there is some form of dispute between you gentlemen.

Please please please,find the common ground again - an excellent pacifc fighters sim, that includes the PBY.

The PBY was widely flown by many Australian and several US squadrons in the Pacific theater. It was a critical plane and made countless late night bombing missions of Rabual and many Japanese airstrips located on islands all over the place in the coral sea area and elsewhere.

True it is PBYs did carry out many search and rescues as well and granted this element may not feature as a component of gameplay according to your posts.

However, PBY's are fundamental not only to Australian RAAF history in the pacific, but to any WW2 Pacific flight sim. So many people seem to miss this point.

An AI flyable already exisits in FB/AEP. Gibbage I think has made a start on internal plane modeling. Why could this not proceed to fruition.

I know you are both aware I have made many posts in FB and at Lutheirs old site about getting a flyable PBY, with a lot of support from others.

Please lads, give it a go.

Yours Sincerly,
_RAAF_Schuftie
RAAF Virtual Squadron

luthier1
04-03-2004, 12:46 AM
There is no dispute between us. There is a only question of time. If Gibbage can finish the PBY by the deadline, I'll GLADLY ship it with the product. When did I ever say anything differently?

http://www.il2center.com/PF.jpg

RAAFVirtSqn
04-03-2004, 01:08 AM
Dear Luthier,

Thanks for the clarification.

It would be great if Gibbage could advise how things are going with PBY development.

Myself and other have even made small $$$ donations to Gibbage via his Gibbage art website to help him complete it.

Had hoped it was going to be in AEP.

Gibbage we would really appreciate an update and fully 1000% support it's inclusion into Pacific Fighters.

Will you be able to get it done by the deadline referred to by Luthier.

Do you need any assistance? Im sure there are many out there who might be able to in some way?

Kind Regards
_RAAF_Schuftie

xTHRUDx
04-03-2004, 01:36 AM
our apologies, Luthier. PBY fans are a passionate bunch. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif the plane always seems to be overlooked in other pacific sims and the small chance that we may have to use one in a great sim lights fires under our butts.

LEXX_Luthor
04-03-2004, 02:02 AM
Any single engine float planes over the PF?

porcupine1
04-03-2004, 08:24 AM
hey gib and luther, we really appreciate the work! dont let all the negative seeming posts make you think otherwise, the community is just curious and Impatient! 99.99% of us appreciate the work your putting into this.
the other .01% wouldnt appreciate a bucket of water if their undies were on fire!
so thanks and i cant wait to get lost over the pacific and run out of fuel.
I do have a question regarding float planes though. how different is the cockpit on the zero floatplane from the others? just wondering. ive looked but i can find no images or info.

LEXX_Luthor
04-03-2004, 09:05 AM
I used to work at ocean resort, cutting grass and digging sand near swimming pool, girls climbing out dripping wet. You want to jump in the water BUT YOU CAN'T. I had ENOUGH of this already. Surrounded by water and you can't play in it. Just add floats to P~38 or Spitfire. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

porcupine1
04-03-2004, 09:39 AM
oh i forgot about the spit with floats. interesting

RAAF_Furball
04-05-2004, 12:40 AM
bumping for Gibbage ....

Are you able to give us a status report on PBY please mate?

_RAAF_Furball, CO

click below for _RAAF_ website

http://members.optusnet.com.au/raafgames/crest.jpg (http://www.raafsquad.cjb.net)

click below for Fur's website

http://members.optusnet.com.au/nfurball/Images/plane_md_wht.gif (http://www.fur.cjb.net)

Gibbage1
04-05-2004, 03:09 AM
PBY is doing well. I got some time to work on it this weekend. Its about 30% done.

Also, Luthier, how about a Wild Catfish?

http://www.daveswarbirds.com/usplanes/photos/catfish1.jpg

If we do get a Rufe, it would be great to dogfight with the Wild Catfish! Fun with floats!!

Did you know they also proposed putting floats on P-38's? Lol. Early on in the war they put floats and damn near anything.

My post's are my asumptions only, and in no way linked to fact. I am not an official 1C, Ubi, or Russian Red Rocket spokesman.

Gibbage1
04-05-2004, 03:10 AM
Double post

RAAF_Furball
04-05-2004, 08:41 AM
Thanks for that, Gibbage - Good Luck ! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

(You know I mean it)

Would love to see the PBY as flyable.

_RAAF_Furball, CO

click below for _RAAF_ website

http://members.optusnet.com.au/raafgames/crest.jpg (http://www.raafsquad.cjb.net)

click below for Fur's website

http://members.optusnet.com.au/nfurball/Images/plane_md_wht.gif (http://www.fur.cjb.net)

yerpalal
04-05-2004, 11:16 AM
Gibbage,

There's always the . . . . . .

Mavis.

ARSNL
04-05-2004, 11:44 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gibbage1:
Did you know they also proposed putting floats on P-38's? Lol. Early on in the war they put floats and damn near anything.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Concept drawing from the experiments section of P-38 online...

http://p-38online.com/float.jpg

Obviously a waste of time for this sim, but would sure be fun to try.......

http://www.digitalmelee.com/arsenal/Arse242.gif

DONB3397
04-05-2004, 12:26 PM
Wasn't Mitchell's orginal "Spit" a Thomson Trophy racer with floats? So what's the problem? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/52.gif

The idea of having a flyable PBY could keep me up nights. Imagine flying Black Cat missions out of a hidden cove in the Solomons!

Gibbage, I know you'd like this as much as we would. Let us know where to send them, and we'll have carry-out meals delivered to your house til Luthier's deadline. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/53.gif

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There is no 'way' of winning;
There is only Winning!