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GK.
04-13-2004, 03:34 PM

GK.
04-13-2004, 03:34 PM

IV|JG51Flatspin
04-13-2004, 03:40 PM
Actually, I think it's the hot babe waiting back at the pub willing to do anything for her country...but I voted for "the man". http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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JG7_Rall
04-13-2004, 03:45 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Elite_Flatspin:
Actually, I think it's the hot babe waiting back at the pub willing to do _anything_ for her country...but I voted for "the man". http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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T_O_A_D
04-13-2004, 03:57 PM
I choose neither, It all depends on the senario. A good pilot in the best machine can get bounced.

Now if you set up a 1v1 as I do often both with same machine you can find out if its the man.

But putting two seperate machines together controlled with two seperate men, no matter the victor the fight will always be debated, as to why and whom was the victor.

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TgD Thunderbolt56
04-13-2004, 08:09 PM
You're kidding...right?



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T_O_A_D
04-14-2004, 01:54 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Thunderbolt56:
You're kidding...right?
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http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/10.gif you asking me http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

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lil_labbit
04-14-2004, 02:34 AM
It's only the man if he's called Dirk (?) the filt kicks in lol...
She will be called otherwise...

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darkhorizon11
04-14-2004, 06:36 PM
A great fighter pilot once said I'd rather be lucky than good anyday!

I used to think it was all about the machine..ie performance capabilities, rates of turn and climb, absolute cieling, max TAS and blah blah blah.

Then I read a story about a Polish pilot who was up in his stearman biplane crop dusting when the war started in 39'. Luftwaffe aircraft happened flying overhead. Two crack bf109 pilots were lookin for trouble and spotted him. Of course being the cocky krauts that they were they immediately dove on him expecting an easy kill. The experienced Polish pilot quickly pulled the 109s into a turning battle that lasted several minutes. Mind you he didn't have any ammo and couldn't outrun the Messerschmitts so he avoided them the best he could. The end result was one of the 109s accidently crashing causing the other German to give up in disbelief. Just goes to show you that a true pilot never gets into his plane, he puts it on! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Bull_dog_
04-14-2004, 06:43 PM
You don't have a "both" choice... Fighter pilots are an egotistical lot and they'd like you to believe that it was just the pilot...

But for some reason, the Americans ditched their wildcats for hellcats, British ditched Hurricanes for Spit MkIX's, Germans retired their Emils in favor of Gustav's and even managaged a jet and the Japs started with an A6M2 and ended with a Ki-84...

If it was just the man, I think they should've invested heavily in trainers huh? So in the end, it was a good pilot in a competitive machine that out did the other guy...along with good tactics and good groundcrews....

Heck you didn't even mention tactics and groundcrews...maybe it was fuel.

Spit_Fan
04-14-2004, 08:37 PM
I think it's both.

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JV44Rall
04-14-2004, 09:51 PM
Spit Fan is right. Without the man, the best machine is just scrap-metal-in-waiting. In a lousy machine, the best pilot would have been toast.

And of course, luck is a very large part of it. The best man in the best machine would probably have died in trainig on one very luckless day.

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VW-IceFire
04-14-2004, 10:44 PM
Its a mix of the two....a terrible pilot will be a terrible combat pilot no matter what plane he flies...however a great pilot in a terrible plane will achieve an only marginally better result.

The best pilots and the best planes are the best possible mix.

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JTFM
04-15-2004, 03:42 AM
I also say "both". Put Hartmann in an He-111 and he's not going to shoot down 352 planes.

I also agree luck played a part in a fighter pilot's success, but I believe the strongest asset was surprise. A pilot cannot evade the attack he never sees coming.

Franzen
04-15-2004, 11:03 AM
I think weez got nuff polls ta build us a fence. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

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willyvic
04-15-2004, 11:33 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Franzen:
I think weez got nuff polls ta build us a fence. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

Fritz Franzen<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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LilHorse
04-15-2004, 02:32 PM
I think it's the manchine, myself. Yeah, that's what it is. Yeah. Uh-huh.

Franzen
04-15-2004, 08:07 PM
Ha ha ha http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif

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PBNA-Boosher
04-15-2004, 08:23 PM
erm.. would it help if I told you that I just shot down an Ace Me-262 with just my I-16 Type 18?

Franzen
04-15-2004, 08:37 PM
PBNA, it would help, but we could start a poll about whether it would help or not. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

Fritz Franzen