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BM357_Raven
01-22-2004, 07:34 PM
At first, I was about to post this on the Squad Forums, but then I realized it was more of a general discussion topic.

I am sure there are other really great squads out there, but I gotta just say it out loud that there is no better feeling than being a part of a clubhouse that is full of guys who share the same exact interst in aviation and WWII history as you do.

Although I have many off-line friends, none of them seem to share the same level of enthusiasm about aviation combat. That's where the squadron comes in (or in our case, the Fighter Group).

Those squadrons who have made it throughout the years know what I am talking about. It is unfortunate that there are many squads that have fallen by the wayside. Perhaps it's more common than not.., but in my mind one of the best results of online activity is the squadron. I wouldn't trade my membership for anything. My guys are the best friends a vfp could ask for.

To all of you rogue pilots out there who have never joined, I highly recommend considering expanding your horizons. For those of you who have had bad experiences in squadrons in the past, you might consider giving it one more go. I am not pulling or pushing for any one squad. But if you 'click' with the right group, you will never regret hitting submit on a squadron application. If one doesnt fit, try again is all..

Forgotten Battles has become the home of nearly everyone who ventures onto these forums.. This little micro-society is hardly a blip on the radar screen of all the larger social clusters throughout the internet and throughout the world, for that matter. It's nice to see people stick together to form a community--however small. The squadron is just one more notch in the direction of unity, friendship, and down N' dirty fun.

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BM357_Raven
01-22-2004, 07:34 PM
At first, I was about to post this on the Squad Forums, but then I realized it was more of a general discussion topic.

I am sure there are other really great squads out there, but I gotta just say it out loud that there is no better feeling than being a part of a clubhouse that is full of guys who share the same exact interst in aviation and WWII history as you do.

Although I have many off-line friends, none of them seem to share the same level of enthusiasm about aviation combat. That's where the squadron comes in (or in our case, the Fighter Group).

Those squadrons who have made it throughout the years know what I am talking about. It is unfortunate that there are many squads that have fallen by the wayside. Perhaps it's more common than not.., but in my mind one of the best results of online activity is the squadron. I wouldn't trade my membership for anything. My guys are the best friends a vfp could ask for.

To all of you rogue pilots out there who have never joined, I highly recommend considering expanding your horizons. For those of you who have had bad experiences in squadrons in the past, you might consider giving it one more go. I am not pulling or pushing for any one squad. But if you 'click' with the right group, you will never regret hitting submit on a squadron application. If one doesnt fit, try again is all..

Forgotten Battles has become the home of nearly everyone who ventures onto these forums.. This little micro-society is hardly a blip on the radar screen of all the larger social clusters throughout the internet and throughout the world, for that matter. It's nice to see people stick together to form a community--however small. The squadron is just one more notch in the direction of unity, friendship, and down N' dirty fun.

S~ Squadrons of Forgotten Battles...! You guys rock http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif And I hope to see all of you grow and endure through the evolution of flight simulations.

PS- Whatever is around the corner for us, I hope many of us can reflect back to the days when we used to use monitors, keyboards, can cable connections to interact with the sims... Perahps in 20 years we will look back and see today's sims as classics like Asteroids or pong... But no matter what may come, we all should pay tribute to the people who make this possible; 1C and our online pals.. Besides, we're alive today and that's what counts.. I'm gonna go fly with my m8's now... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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LeadSpitter_
01-22-2004, 07:48 PM
I just dont like the drama all squadrons seem to have, this guys warps every single time etc, I hate this guy stuff, you know what he said lets get him back.

But it is great to fly with many of the good squads on HL go on comms, theres so many good ones its tuff to make a choice and rather fly with them all and it seems like your a part of thier squad without the xo demands. You have to be on this time for practice you have to play in our server only etc, you cant go into FR servers becuase these 3 dont like those settings. Those certain XOs who think they are gods gift to the world you have to obey orders "513diaper" certified asshats

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SeaFireLIV
01-22-2004, 07:55 PM
Best thing I ever did was become part of a Squadron. I learned stuff I would never have learned offline and the camaraderie (I know I`ve spelt it wrong), is second to none.

We are a very Gentlemanly Squad, but we do like people to have the right attitude. If you`re the sort who must fly and fight alone, and cannot fly in formation (loose formation at least) it`s not for you.

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Spinne_3.-JG51
01-22-2004, 09:59 PM
Well, when you join a squad, you agree to follow squad rules. 3./Jg51 flies on FR settings. Now that doesn't mean I can't join a server hats not at FR settings, but usually, I choose not to since I'm too used to FR, and it's hard to go to a more arcadish style of play. I can also host a private 'Arcade' server if I want, as long as I fulfill my squad obligations. However, if I host a server with the squad's name in it, it must follow the squad's FR settings because that's what we've agreed on. It's a little bit of discipline that I can abide by. Anyway, in our squad, you need to qualify as a pilot before you're listed as a squad pilot. In the interim, it's as though you're evaluating the squad and vice-verse, so you've plenty of time to decide that you don't like the squad and move on. That way, when you do become a squad member, you're perfectly in-sync with your teammates.
The thing I like best about belonging to 3./Jg51 is that I can hone my skills on the Me262. Our squad leader, Stecher is a great pilot, and he knows how to train people. At the same time, he's very open to suggestions, so we have great fun discussing 262 tactics, and then implementing them. What I really can't wait for is for our squad to grow in number so that we can carry out missions of a more varied nature. The 262 is a natural interceptor, but due to the fact that it carries just 175 shells all told, it really isn't a great dogfighter. Ideally you'd want to save all your ammo for shooting down the bombers since it takes a larger number of shells to kill a fighter, which turns better than any bomber, can use the vertical, and is much smaller and faster. With more members, we could have a human Dora escort group, or after the Aces Expansion pack, a human Ta152 or He162 escort group. If they introduce the Go229 as an interceptor, we'll have a choice of two ac to fly in that role.
In fewer words, being a squad member rocks, and things look even better in the future!

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Fehler
01-22-2004, 10:38 PM
Being a member of a squad has been a very rewarding experience for me.

Our group (9./JG54) is very diverse. We have a police officer, a doctor, network administrators, a plastics expert, even a census bean counter! We hail from Switzerland, Sweeden, Germany, England, Canada, and the U.S. We have a Euro and a Western hemisphere version of the staffel. We have some pretty good pilots, but most of us are just mediocre... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Through all of those differences, we have found that we share a lot of common interests.

I have to say that I feel exactly as Raven does. Flying with a squad/staffel, it's hard to imagine flying without them. If you havent tried the experience, I recommend that you do!

Visit a lot of squad sites and read up on them. You should be able to find one of your particular tastes. There are a great bunch of guys out there; looking for someone just like you!

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Maj_Death
01-22-2004, 10:54 PM
Agreed, squads can be alot of fun if you join one that isn't too serious. I/JG1 Oesau is a fun squad and I thoroughly enjoyed being in it. But squads do require a certain level of participation as well. Which is why I recently resigned as XO of I/JG1. I've lost most of my interest in FB and want to fly a different war or front. So I havn't been willing to give much time flying FB with the rest of the squad lately. While I was with them I mostly flew as a lone wolf. I don't work well as a coordinated team and see a wingman as more of a hinderence than a help. This is why I refused to join a squad for nearly a year in IL2. I turned down some VERY good squads in that period. But ultamately I decided to give one a try because I liked some of its members. I don't regret it at all. I lost alot of wingmen and I died alot trying in vain to save them from their stupid mistakes but it was still alot of fun. And that is the point in any game, regardless of how realistic it is supposed to be.

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lbhskier37
01-22-2004, 11:22 PM
It took me a while to join a squad because of the fixed structure of some that I saw. I started flying with some NJG26 about a year ago though and it was great. NJG26 is about as laidback and fun as it gets, fits me perfect. I think everyone should check out some of the nice squads out there, and even the online wars.

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pourshot
01-22-2004, 11:37 PM
The best thing about being in squad is the fact that you get a wingman you can trust to support you when need be.And you make friends that may last for years.Not to mention all the great coops that get run.

Squads are great as long as you find one that suits YOU.

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Spinne_3.-JG51
01-22-2004, 11:44 PM
Do you guys feel that it's better for squad members to be in the same age group so that the members better understand each other's worldly responsibilities and commitments? For example, I'm a college student, and so's my C.O., so we both understand that we may not be able to fly sometimes due to exams or excess hw. A professional, who doesn't have to do much work related stuff after-hours may get a trifle annoyed by the fact that we aren't as free as he is.

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Slater_51st
01-22-2004, 11:46 PM
I've been a member of the 51st(on and off), since 1998. I've gone throught CFS 1, CFS 2, and now FB with em. I had to quit for a while, but now, about a year and a half later, I'm back with em http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif. Lemme tell you, the best guys I've ever met online. Talking to the guys on TS is wonderful. I've gotta say I've never been around as goofy, crazy, and all around cool people in all my life. Some of the people have changed, but we generally net good people. I'm proud to say that I've been a member. If I'd stayed alone, all flight sims would have been much more borring for me.

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Slater_51st
01-22-2004, 11:50 PM
Sorry for posting again, but as for age. I joined up at 14, and I'm now 19, I'm flying with 25-60 year olds. I actually think it's a great way to get to understand other age groups(and poke fun at the old folks, j/k). Flying in a squad of 19-21 year olds would just be like going to school http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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pourshot
01-22-2004, 11:54 PM
Age has bugger all to do with it,just remember your only as old as the girl you feel http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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Dolemite-
01-23-2004, 12:09 AM
I dont think I could ever join a squad.

Do ya have to follow rules? Cuz Im not very good at that.

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Old_Canuck
01-23-2004, 01:11 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by pourshot:
Age has bugger all to do with it,just remember your only as old as the girl you feel http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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ELEM
01-23-2004, 01:22 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> camaraderie (I know I`ve spelt it wrong)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually, you haven't!

I would normally get flamed for pointing out incorrect spelling. Will the same happen for pointing out CORRECT spelling! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

I wouldn't join any club that would have ME as member!

carguy_
01-23-2004, 01:23 AM
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F19_Orheim
01-23-2004, 01:26 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LeadSpitter_:
I just dont like the drama all squadrons seem to have, this guys warps every single time etc, I hate this guy stuff, you know what he said lets get him back.

But it is great to fly with many of the good squads on HL go on comms, theres so many good ones its tuff to make a choice and rather fly with them all and it seems like your a part of thier squad without the xo demands. You have to be on this time for practice you have to play in our server only etc, you cant go into FR servers becuase these 3 dont like those settings. Those certain XOs who think they are gods gift to the world you have to obey orders "513diaper" certified asshats

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Well Lead, there are so many different kinds of squadrons out there, one should choose one that suits you. I agree with a lot of what have been said about the pros in here, but for me the most benefitting is that you get to know, meet and talk to guys with the same interest: Flightsims and aviation. That does not mean that you are bound to talk just about these topics: Beware, you might get real friends http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Sure, there are many "strict" squadrons where you must follow a strict set of rules, salute your "superior officers", HAVE to show up at training and such. For me that sounds more like a role playing game.

Then there are squadrons (more in my liking) where you just hang out, play when it suits you, relax and talk about everything and nothing. For those of us that DO have other things to do in life, such as a busy private life or a demanding job, these squadron suits us better. Whatever squadron you choose to join, just choose one in your liking and I promise you that you wont regret it. It is great fun and very rewarding.

PS: oh and I don't call myself Co, Squadron Leader or whatever. I just wanted to make a website with a purpose, and ended up with a squadron http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif No ranks in our little collection of flight sim freaks

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BM357_Raven
01-23-2004, 01:54 AM
Yeah. I understand a lot of people's point of view here. I guess there's something to be said about the politics bit and how this can disrupt the flow of having fun.

I'm not much for politics. Cant stand them. Although, by default I get the chance to deal with them sometimes. However, I think I also do a fair job of buffering the others from whatever gets flung as much as possible..

Some squads are very regimented. And for that matter, some people are very regimented or have certain expectations about how things should or should not be run. Do these two types go hand in hand? I have no idea. To me it's bad for business to make things boring or complicated.

In ours, it's a 'pick your own level of participation' thing in our group.

And for me, it's less about the 'squad' and more about the people. There has to be a good click of personalities. People need to have similar modus operandi (wo, did I use that correctly :S). And friendships and comradery all play the main parts.

As CO I think of my job is that of a tour guide. Not dictator.

I have had a number of guys who got too caught up in some 'way it was supposed to be' or who were kind of negative and griped a lot about this or that. Those guys dont really stick around long though.

But right now there's not a personality that I would trade in the group we have. And personalities and mutual respect make all the difference; gotta be friends I think. You gotta click.

I think that is what my post is about. But good feedback and candid expressions of peoples' points of view. Thanks all!

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Spinne_3.-JG51
01-23-2004, 02:18 AM
Our squad does not indulge in any sort of regimentation. However, we do have riules because otherwise, there'd be far too much chaos. The idea of having fixed meeting times is that it removes the redundency of having to keep members informed of changing meeting times. In the event that a large majority of the squad is unable to attend the meeting, the other members are free to fly, either as a group, or as individuals. The idea is that rules take a great deal of grunt work off the shoulders of the C.O. The C.O. no longer has to find out why member xyz was unable to attend the last few meetings. If member xyz wants to remain as part of the squad, he has to email the C.O. informing him that he intends to be present in the future. Reasons like this one are why our squad has rules and seems 'regimented'.

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BM357_Swede
01-23-2004, 02:30 AM
This is an important topic on which I have some strong feelings. But the hour is late so for now I'll just ditto Raven by encouraging the un-attached to give more consideration to joining a squad/outfit, whatever. Don't be afraid to shop around. There are enough groups that it's unlikely you won't find one that suits you. Most squads encourage it anyway. Also, if you've never used comms before, IMO you're missing out on an immersion shot-in-the-arm. The dimension added by comms makes for a whole new experience and it's just plain fun and novel being able to chit-chat with like minded guys (wish more gals) from different parts of the planet. What ever colors you fly under if you're thinking of trying the squad thing for the first time PM me. I'm no Veteran but can probably give you a headstart.
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RedDeth
01-23-2004, 02:46 AM
I always thought the original reason for squads was to compete. at least that was the reason for squads in Janes World War Two Fighters. Online competitions are the ultimate in flying excitement online. and not for those that sweat profusely when nervous!

there are currently several online tournaments running for FB. and thats a great reason to be in a squad since you cant compete as a loner.

as a bonus competition squads really dont care about politics , or about serious military rules. you fly to win. not to salute or talk about he said she said.

i cant say much about for fun squads. ive never been in one. to me there is no greater fun than competing online. its the best there is.

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Dolemite-
01-23-2004, 03:29 AM
I think I could take on every squad in HL all at the same time, by my self.

Any takers?

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WUAF_Badsight
01-23-2004, 04:14 AM
being in a squad requires you work as a team member


you learn new things being in a squad


games like Forgotten Battles can take on higher levels of gameplay when you are working within a squad


squads that allow bad behaviour from their members usually have a poor leader


personally i enjoy the banter & experience of my squad-mates

being a lone wolf now would be a backwards step IMO

F19_Orheim
01-23-2004, 05:29 AM
Bad behaviour should be banned...



Oh yeah. Changed my avatar... Read "Tintin and the Black Gold yesterday and I thought. "Hey, that dr Muller looks EXACTLY as me" So i join my fellow Squadron member Haddock and choose a Tintin avatar
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SeaFireLIV
01-23-2004, 05:41 AM
So you look like that! LOL.

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VMF513_Viper
01-23-2004, 05:49 AM
S! all,

I agree with Raven's post whole heartedly. As for some of the other postings here, I have had the pleasure to fly with some of the best as well as the not so best. The not so best do learn the values of friendship and some do not. Its the way of having friends online.

Leadspitter, I have had the ultimate pleasure of knowing you for some time. You were in the 513 for a while and did bring your ideas forth. I for one am grateful that you put in your ideas to the 513. You were one of the ones solely responsible for helping me out.You were one of the ones that helped me in getting the squadron going with our website. I thank you for that my friend. See it is folks like Leadspitter and many of you that give this game its flavor. Lead you and I also had and still have our differences. i also am grateful for that because you have your opinions and Ideas. You have contributed greatly to this game by building your skins and such. I am (As well as others)attempting to dothe same. I salute you and the others here who have made flight simming what it is today.

Squadrons do have their downfalls, and that is politics. Some squadrons Like the 513 and others have or have had this go on. Squadrons are meant to come together and have one common goal. I am proud to know many of you and aquaint myself with everyone else here. yes we may have our Whining times on these forums, but it is all for the better. There is some good and some bad times, but it is mainly good times. Oleg and Ubi have made a wonderful simulation for us to enjoy. Thats is why these forums are here.

I am proud to know that I can escape real life and come on here and keep real life balanced.

If people have opinions and hatred for someone online that is their privilage, but we are all in this together to contribute and enjoy ourselves. We may not be all that perfect, but me for one am darn proud to know many of you. It is things like this game that proves that we are compassionate about what we do as well as compassionate about one another.

I salute you all

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BaldieJr
01-23-2004, 09:30 AM
I'm with Lead on this.

Squads make 'play' too serious.

Also, when I first began getting noticed as a regular member of the community, I was contacted by several squads and/or people starting squads. Thier offers were just plain wierd, and it put me off the whole idea.

Some of you guys are just too damned queer about playing games online. The 007 stuff makes you look like a friken nut-job.

No thanks. I'll play only with normal people, and refuse to make them into anything more than non-existant remote entities with similar interests.

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Eagle_361st
01-23-2004, 10:08 AM
I have to agree with Raven that being apart of online squads can be a great thing. I have been apart of three great Squads, one that I started. For me it's a way to experience things the way my Grandfather did during his time in WWII. But the problem with some squads is that there is no definition between immersion, reality and fun. I have always tried to promote to my guys that our first goal is to have fun, and the rest will come with it. But we do have rules as well, becuase without some rules things can get crazy and very quick. Being apart of a squad is not for everyone, and that is fine, that is why I never push on anyone to join. I would rather they seek us out and want to join than to feel that they are being pressured to join. And I feel that is why I have 25 guys who I would not trade for anything, fly when they want, what settings they want and love being a part of the 361st. It's the different personalities that make the experience so enjoyable, not your settings(that's why we fly them all), your rules or how stringent you are. Fun should always be the first thought, because if it isn't fun, then why do it? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Maple_Tiger
01-23-2004, 10:31 AM
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I'm with Lead on this.

Squads make 'play' too serious.

Also, when I first began getting noticed as a regular member of the community, I was contacted by several squads and/or people starting squads. Thier offers were just plain wierd, and it put me off the whole idea.

Some of you guys are just too damned queer about playing games online. The 007 stuff makes you look like a friken nut-job.

No thanks. I'll play only with normal people, and refuse to make them into anything more than non-existant remote entities with similar interests.

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Oh umm Baldie, Eagle is one of the most Normal people in the 361st. I cant realy comment on my self because im already a crazy nut-job. Im very happy that i joined the 361st.

nutt3r
01-23-2004, 10:39 AM
my squadron the hells gazelles just fly for fun we try not to take things to seriously its a great laugh and i wouldn't change it for a thing.great bunch of guys who are great to fly with http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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J30Vader
01-23-2004, 11:05 AM
There is one big advantage to not being in a squad.

You don't have to listen to the whining when those who fly P-47s, or 109/190s will not come down and get into a turn fight with Yaks and La 7s.

You don't have to listen too complaints about using external views. Which is pretty cheeky when it is their own server setting.

I just needed to vent..

TacticalSkirmsh
01-23-2004, 11:43 AM
First off I generally keep to myself and family. Never been much interested in social activities. Certain sports and certainly video gaming cater to this solitary lifestyle (so why did I have those kids again ? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif)

Many games (strategy, sports, FPS, etc) allow equally for both the individual and team gaming. I believe this game is better suited to a team approach.

Firstly, it's ironic (to me anyway) that some of the folks here would argue on any other day about realism, and yet would not encourage virtual pilots to seek squadrons. After all, war was fought by countries where pilots flew in squadrons to carryout missions.

My recent decision in joining a squad came when I realized that despite that everyone had to pick a team online (HyperLobby), no one really cared to work together, and certainly know one cared to adhere to the objectives of the server.

Certainly, the few that did fly together stood head 'n shoulders above the rest of the pack flying solo.

Yes, you can make kills. A typical situation is the smarter pilot staying out of the furball, waiting for his lonely prey to emerge separated from the others to bounce. Fun I suppose.

However, add voice communication, a real sense of team to the equation, and the game takes on a new level of realism and just plain fun!

Outside of the game, it is just a real joy to meet and talk to other gamers around the world who share your interest.

If one didn't want to join an "official" squad, certainly teaming up with a partner online could add an enhanced (more realistic) experience then always flying solo.

Regards

WUAF_Badsight
01-23-2004, 11:57 AM
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not having squadmates as freinds is a waste of time

not being in a squad like that means your missing out

FB is more in-depth & more fun when done with squad-play
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rangooon
01-23-2004, 03:15 PM
badsight wrote:
"not having squadmates as freinds is a waste of time"
"not being in a squad like that means your missing out"
"FB is more in-depth & more fun when done with squad-play"

verrlly interstink! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

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Zentaurus
01-23-2004, 03:37 PM
I joined a squad for curiosity and was surprised to get a bunch of new friends !!

We are a european squad (british,swedish, belgian,austrian,german,french), small but...

I love it to fly with my friends...and chat with them on TS, and its a safe place to develop skills....and fool around...do airraces, aerobatics...bomber shootouts....exchange help and information...get to know how people in other parts of the world live...
FB would not at all be a game of such continued interest for me without the people making it alive in a way that bots never can...

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TBA_Erax
01-23-2004, 03:45 PM
I don't think joining a squad makes things too serious - there are many flavours of squad with differing levels of rules and types of gameplay. Just check them out before you join and ask if you can fly a few times with them first to see if you like it.

It has certainly helped the longevity of the game for me (much to the disatisfaction of my wife http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif)

Hmmm ... obviously I need to work on my avatar

XyZspineZyX
01-23-2004, 03:54 PM
I've flown as a member of squads, as CO of squads, and as lone wolf.

I agree that, provided you are in the company of like-minded pilots, who share your idea of having fun, being in a squad is THE BEST. Teaming up for kills is every bit as exciting and gratifying as getting them 100% on your own skill and merit. I still remember a day LONG ago, in another sim, where a large group of our squaddies flew a BoB style mission (since we were from literally all over the world, getting a lot of us online at one time was rare) and managed to, in one single sortie, take out 11 enemy over the Channel (some of them among the premier pilots that sim had to offer) and lose NONE of our own; we all RTB'd *together*. That was SWEET; all the training and the communication really paid off.

That being said, the politics of it can be a challenge. I've been kicked OUT of a squad once for "insubordination", and one time I had to show a squad member the door because his individual behavior was giving our squad a bad name in online servers.

By and large, I didn't have too many personality issues, but it was always something to deal with. My biggest problem was getting people to volunteer to help out with all the unglamorous, behind the scenes stuff: mission reporting, arranging training, recruiting, liaison with other squads, even just coming up with ideas for the squad. Some guys would pitch in, others just wanted to show up and fly and log off.

It's a mixed bag, but I'd say, a group increases your enjoyment. If you're a fun, arcade guy, find a fun/arcade squad. If you're a serious simhead, find a squad participating in the online wars. If you do find the right mix of guys, you will get twice the enjoyment.

BM357_OYS
01-23-2004, 03:59 PM
I don't think squads make things too serious. Our squad has an extremely fun time and since I've been a memeber, I've learned more piloting than I ever could have on my own, and when you're a better pilot, you have even more fun.

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