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frag_bravo
02-10-2004, 06:52 PM
where would you be.Would this horrific conflict come and find you.Or would you be caught in the mist of it?

frag_bravo
02-10-2004, 06:52 PM
where would you be.Would this horrific conflict come and find you.Or would you be caught in the mist of it?

Chuck_Older
02-10-2004, 06:57 PM
do you mean "midst"?

I would have done as countless others here had done, and volunteered for military service on Dec 8 '41, so if I were not killed already, I would be in uniform, of course. Air Corps if they'd take me, but it was a very tough program even back them.

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frag_bravo
02-10-2004, 07:02 PM
I heard it was really tough to get into the air corps.I would have been in the in the infantry.Even tougher outfit.sleeping outside,being shelled.Night patrols.Pilots on the American and German side had it pretty easy from what I read,

Chuck_Older
02-10-2004, 07:10 PM
Not at all, most Germans were sleeping under canvas on the French coast at one point, rain or shine, and depending on where you were stationed, some US pilots were issued helmets had to dig slit trenches, and had no buildings except shacks made of packing crates, like in North Africa. I am sure some pilots had an easy time of it if they were US and stationed at certain places in England, but it was far from a picnic.

Pilots did have some priveledges to be sure, but they had a rough time of it, too.

Some pilots in the AVG also serviced their own planes at one point! And the ground crew rarely had a hangar to work in.

Certainly no harder than the grunts, though, who were much less priveledged.

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BaneTheEvilOne
02-10-2004, 07:13 PM
Close to the fancy equipment, flying one, impruving gunery if lucky until 1943.

Bearcat99
02-10-2004, 09:03 PM
I would have been in my daddy's scrotum...... well half of me anyway...... the other half would have been in mom's 7 yr old ovaries.. Then again... the sperm cells kinda come and die all along so I gues I was just potentially in my daddy's scrotum......

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WUAF_Badsight
02-10-2004, 09:18 PM
yea ... umm ... what Bearcat99 said .... i guess .....

ElfunkoI
02-10-2004, 10:16 PM
Going for the AAC. And from the figgin FAA Regulations, Current Charts of US, and semi-knoweldge of airspace what they did back then would be like butter.

From what I've read, the AAC went from thurough training, really hard to complete, to a mass "manufacturing" plant. Things got easier cause they needed more pilots. And if I got my choice I'd be stationed in the south pacific cause I love the beach (and surf and women).

Oblt.Emann
02-10-2004, 11:18 PM
Dead. I'm so incompetent I would probably get killed in flight training.

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Copperhead310th
02-10-2004, 11:35 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bearcat99:
I would have been in my daddy's scrotum...... well half of me anyway...... the other half would have been in mom's 7 yr old ovaries.. Then again... the sperm cells kinda come and die all along so I gues I was just potentially in my daddy's scrotum......

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Eagle_361st
02-11-2004, 12:15 AM
8 Dec 1941, I would have rushed into the local USAAF recruiter office and signed up like many others did. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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DeerHunterUK
02-11-2004, 05:29 AM
Probably flying in my Hurribus (still waiting for the Spitfire add-on) over the Channel getting my backside shot up by some German rookie in his over modelled G2. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

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JorBR
02-11-2004, 06:58 AM
More than 10 thousand km away from the fight; my country had a expeditionary force in Italy but I´m tall and the military would discharged me from military service (as they did in early 90s).

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Rajvosa
02-11-2004, 07:03 AM
1943? Let's see... I'd probably be fighting Germans in the hills around Sarajevo. Or be dead by that time.

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musickna
02-11-2004, 07:04 AM
In 1943 I wouldn't be doing too much, as my mum was a 13-year-old girl living just south of London and thankful that the Blitz was over, and my dad was a 13-year-old boy sailing in a convoy escorted by H.M.S Warspite from South Africa to England.

MatuDa_
02-11-2004, 07:06 AM
Invading russia, freeing stalingrad on the way and then getting it on with chinese women after the invasion.

Could have gone the other way too.. jap women.

Slater_51st
02-11-2004, 08:12 AM
Well, probably attempting to get a flying job with USAAF, maybe, but not likely, Navy of Marines. I'm the right age, pretty good shape, great vision, hehe. It'd sad, I'm 19, and I read about kids younger then me in combat. Freakish eh? I guess I'll have to be happy driving a Mustang rather then flying one http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

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Bogun
02-11-2004, 08:19 AM
Fighting fascist invaders every step of the way from Brest to Stalingrad and then back from Stalingrad to Berlin! Defending the Mother Russia, just like my Grand Dads did.

Regards,

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- Walter Wolfrum

SpinSpinSugar
02-11-2004, 08:40 AM
Well, assuming I was the right age and with the correct aptitude to join the RAF, by 1943 I'd already have (potentially) been in the war for almost four years, maybe surviving the Battle of France, the Battle of Britain, maybe Malta and numerous offensive sweeps over Northern France.

Then again, given my natural aptitude at Forgotten Battles, I'd probably have driven my Hurricane straight into the back of a Heinkel, whilst getting overexcited at my first engagement over the French countryside, and died back in 1939.

Cheers, SSS

horseback
02-11-2004, 08:51 AM
Since this is clearly an invitation to fantasize, I'd be at the O-Club at Debden, *****ing about the imminent arrival of the P-47, replacing my beloved Spit MK Vb. By my third pint, I'd be doing a riff on how ugly Olive Drab is compared to Ocean Grey and Dark Green, and how it sticks out like a sore thumb no matter where you put it.

Then I'd buy McKinnon a beer and get him to play "I'll Be Seeing You" on the piano and muss up Gentile's hair when I catch him getting misty. This would lead to a general wrestling match and free for all until Klatanoff showed up and ordered us all back to our quarters to sleep it off so we'll be ready for the 'big show' the next morning.

Cheers

horseback

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DuxCorvan
02-11-2004, 09:08 AM
Being Spanish, just five posibilities:

- If still in Spain, half-starving in a country devastated by a civil war and ruled by a fascist dictator. Maybe imprisoned or awaiting execution for this very same reason.

- If in WW2, and not exiled, surely a Blue Division volunteer soldier fighting and dying for the Nazis against the Russians, just to avoid starving in a country devastated, etc.

- If exiled, fighting in Russia against Nazis or helping the French Resistance -almost Spanish resistance if you seriously look into the numbers of Spanish Republicans in the French Resistance ranks.

- If exiled and captured by the Nazis, dying in the holocaust camp of Mathausen -the end of thousands of exiled Spaniards before the indiference of dictator Franco and all inwar powers, Axis or Allied.

- Given my fighting abilities, I would probably be DEAD already after seven years of war. And you'd be also probably all dead by now. Have you, boasting machos, even thought of that posibility? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

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HarryVoyager
02-11-2004, 09:10 AM
Chances are, I'd be running radar stuck in a base just above the last one that you could actually reach by jeep. And, chances are, I wouldn't get any pictures of it either, because my camera would be in the row boat that sank in the lagoon.

Either that, or I'd be in the hospital, because when my unit was shipping out to the front, someone dropped a portable generator on my foot and nailed it to the ground.

Harry Voyager

SUPERAEREO
02-11-2004, 09:20 AM
Dead?

In a shallow grave? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

After fighting for or against Mussolini/the Germans/the Partisans? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

Under allied bombardments? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Or, given the choice, somewhere nice, civilised and neutral like Sweden or Uruguay, drinking the local drink and learning the local lingo with the help of a pretty girl... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

But I am sure others have more heroic ambitions... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif

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christopher65
02-11-2004, 09:23 AM
Sad to say most of us would be dead after after nearly FOUR years of fighting.By December 8th we on the other side of the atlantic had been at war for 2 and a 1/2 years!!!!!

huggy87
02-11-2004, 09:32 AM
Hmmm, with 900 hours in fighters, 7 years in the military, and 28 years old, I would qualify to be a squadron commander by WW2 standards. Not some lowly JO like today. Of course, if flying in real life was as hard as this game I would have never made it through training.

@whomever said the fliers had it easy compared to the groundpounders. Actually, statistically the USAAC had a much higher casualty rate than frontline infantry. Yeah, they had a warm bed and meal every night but it was hard to dodge bullets in a B-24.

christopher65
02-11-2004, 11:04 AM
Surely the worst place to be would be in a tank!Didnt matter when or where it would be terrifying.Noisy as hell,smelly and cluastraphobic!!Dont fancy being in a Sherman breaking through a hedge to be confronted by a Tiger 1E AT 300 yards!!! All my gears would be reverse!At least flyers got a good view and there is something spiritual about flying-ok having a bogey on your 6 wouldnt be good!
Having had conversations with my grandfather(who was a flying instructer in Canada,then saw action in Europe late 44,early 45) I know that he gained a great deal from flying.He was not so keen on the negative side of things and lost many friends and pupils he taught.
Sorry for rabbiting on but sometimes a question on this forum can set you to thinking. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

ASH_HOUSE_WARES
02-11-2004, 12:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by frag_bravo:
where would you be. Would this horrific conflict come and find you. Or would you be caught in the mist of it?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>WOW! This really is the *General Discussion* room... Jezzzzz! One thing for sure around here.. Talk is Cheap!

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[This message was edited by ASH_HOUSE_WARES on Wed February 11 2004 at 11:55 AM.]

mortoma
02-11-2004, 12:30 PM
If in the U.S., I'd be trying to join the Army Air Corps. Also would be thinking that once we finally trounced the Germans, we should just keep going and invade Russia!! They were supposed to be our allies, but look how quickly they changed right away after the war was over. They showed a lot loyalty to thier allys, huh? Patton was also know to feel we should have kept going eastward. He was one tough and smart General.

Fornixx
02-11-2004, 12:37 PM
Well as a swede I'd probably work like most people, the only difference from today being no coffe, expensive meat, no gas and a uniform and Mauser rifle in the bedroom.

Or maybee I would have joined a volontary unit helping our finnish friends defend their country against the Soviet Union on the karelian istmus.

Just a guess....

BP_caocao
02-11-2004, 12:42 PM
I'd like to be in a PBY or something but I'd likely be
either in a tin can (destroyer) with uncle Don. or in N. Africa in the Army with Uncle G.

Xnomad
02-11-2004, 12:52 PM
Being half British and half German, one half of me would be occupying continental Europe and the other half would be trying to get that half out. So I guess I'd be standing in the middle of the English Channel waiting for June 6th 1944.

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Indianer.
02-11-2004, 12:53 PM
I would be a soldier fighting for one of the foreign legions of the SS on the Eastern front. I doubt i would have bothered with the Luftwaffe, because as a rule, you didnt have the opportunity to round up civillians and shoot them.



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horseback
02-11-2004, 01:11 PM
Changed my mind. I'd be finishing up law school so I could prosecute guys like Indianer for war crimes after the war.

cheers

horseback

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Zen--
02-11-2004, 04:19 PM
I would be sitting in the cupola of my panther tank, eyes squinting through the heat and dust as I surveyed the battlefield at Kursk.

Or sitting in the TC's hatch of a T34/76 on the same battlefield, looking back at that panther tank through my binoculars.

Or be teaching recruits how to fight in an M4 Sherman back in the States, mumbling something about a big 'invasion' next year and wondering if I'd ever get my chance to fight.


Pretty much any place where a tank is or was about to set foot on the battlefield would be my choice http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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p1ngu666
02-11-2004, 05:22 PM
know why u a 190 driver http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
erm i dunno where id be, skiving, special ops makin fancy gizmos http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif or fighting somewhere http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

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RedDeth
02-11-2004, 05:27 PM
i think i would be in the navy. visit far off lands with exotic chicks and eatin like a king. navy got ice cream!! second choice far worse- bomber crew. dangerous stuff but you get to sleep in england and play with the brit broads at night.

my first choice would be fighter pilot but i wear contacts so i doubt id become a pilot with glasses back then.

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horseback
02-11-2004, 05:41 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RedDeth:
i think i would be in the navy. visit far off lands with exotic chicks and eatin like a king. navy got ice cream!! second choice far worse- bomber crew. dangerous stuff but you get to sleep in england and play with the brit broads at night.

my first choice would be fighter pilot but i wear contacts so i doubt id become a pilot with glasses back then.

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Red,

Have you ever had powdered sour cream on your baked potatoes, or given serious thought to having your DD torpedoed, bombed or strafed?

My uncles (4 of them) all served in the Pacific during the war, and the family joke was that they each left with a rubber in their wallet, and after 4 years, they each came back with new wallets and the same rubbers. According to them, the only sailers who got ice cream with any regularity served on Battleships or carriers, and every one else got beans.

My own experience in Frigates thirty years later was only slightly different - I didn't buy a new wallet.

Cheers

horseback

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OberstWileyII
02-11-2004, 08:00 PM
In 1943, I WAS hooked up to my Mommy's breast....

Now, older and wiser, I think I'd like to have been a USAAC(later the USAAF) P40 pilot, ex-AVG(FlyingTiger), fairly successful in the air conflict in the Solomons and New Guinea theater of operations, posted back to a liason position with Lockheed or Boeing Aircraft manufacturing plants, where I would give stimulating and morale enhancing pointers on Joystick maneuvering to Many "Rosie-the-riveters"...those "Vargas" girls who manned the assembly lines while their men were off fighting the war...!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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hotspace
02-11-2004, 08:23 PM
Killing German's in my Spit IX http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Gato-Loco
02-11-2004, 08:41 PM
Making a fortune selling whiskey and pantyhoses in the black market! LOL!

Vladimir_No2
02-11-2004, 09:22 PM
I would have to say commanding the British or Japanese navy. I would not have to worry about overmodeling or cheating, just about not spilling my tea during the battle.

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Aztek_Eagle
02-11-2004, 09:45 PM
I WOULD GETTING INTO A ZERO LOADED WIHT A 500 KG BOMB AS A VOLUNTER KAMIKAZE IN IT IS MISSION AGAINST THE US CARRIER FORCE
(ALL FOR GETTING TO FLY AST LEST FOR FEW SECONDS ONE OF THOSE MACHINES)

Menthol_moose
02-11-2004, 10:10 PM
Too tall to fit in a cockpit (6'4), couldnt fit properly in a mig 15. Dont know if the russians made them any smaller than others.

Dont know where Id like to be in a war, but definately NOT in a U-boat.

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SwingerSpecial
02-11-2004, 10:37 PM
At the Karelian front, building fortifications, wondering how long is this quiet trench warfare going to last, and hoping that the Germans can recover from Stalingrad and keep going... for as long as it takes to force the soviets to a separate peace treaty.

OberstWileyII
02-12-2004, 12:24 AM
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Tully__
02-12-2004, 01:15 AM
Leaving aside that I wan't born 'til well after the war, I'd likely be a technical seargent on a rear base somewhere, or in civvy street. No planes for me, eyesight sux http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif, possibly enough that I wouldn't have been accepted for service at all. Theatre would most likely be pacific or middle easy if I was in a combat theatre (Aussie http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif)

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BlackHawkLeader
02-12-2004, 01:41 AM
Fighting the Enemy along a mountainouse trail in tropical Malaria ridden Jungle.
Fighting an enemy that chose to die fighting rather than retreat or give up their position.
Fighting an enemy whos country was not a signatory to the Geneva convention in regards to prisoners of war.

This is not a glorified view of War, or some wish full notion of where I would like to be.
This was the reality of the NEW Guinea Campaign in the South West Pacific for the AIF
(Australian Infantry Force)
This would most likely be where I would have ended up as a young male of that Australian generation.
A Link to the First Victoria Cross awarded for Valor South West Pacific Region.
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christopher65
02-12-2004, 08:55 AM
Think the best place to be would be the Moon or some other foriegn body many miles from the madness of Earth.To say that you could have been this or that in the war is irrelivant today and to some seems like a total waste of time.Just be glad that none of us were there to witness the horror and death that went on for 6 years for some of us.

AKtje-12
02-12-2004, 09:03 AM
I would be dead if i was in the Dutch army, or i fleed to england and was a english soldier http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

DuxCorvan
02-12-2004, 09:21 AM
I insist:

Even being a "neutral" country, for most Spanish soldiers WW2 began on 1936, and went on in their hosting countries after exile or voluntary enlistment. SEVEN years of war by 1943, in the WORST scenarios available (East Front, Resistance, concentration camps...). And still TWO years of war to come, and even after, decades of exile, persecution or forced agreement.

Hard to bear, isn't it? I thank God not to have been neither a witness nor a part of that era.

J_Flyer
02-12-2004, 09:25 AM
Ehh.. I'm only 14 but im in the air cadets (UK)
so i should think i would be in the adcc (air defence cadet corps.) Probabaly putting gun ammo belts for machine guns in aircrafts or running messages. The kind of things those people did. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

The propellor is just a big fan to keep the pilot cool.. when it stops you can see the pilot start sweating!

Waldo.Pepper
02-12-2004, 11:23 AM
I would be an itch in my Daddy's pants. My Dad did serve in the Air Force 1942-1945 so I may have followed in his footsteps. Impossible to say.

One13
02-12-2004, 01:03 PM
If I was the same age as my father I would be at school waiting for next year to turn 18 and join the RAF. He started his pilot training but the war ended before he had finished.
A similar thing happened to his father, he was on a train to the front when the armistice was annouced.

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Cossack_UA
02-12-2004, 01:22 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bogun:
Fighting fascist invaders every step of the way from Brest to Stalingrad and then back from Stalingrad to Berlin! Defending the Mother Russia, just like my Grand Dads did.

Regards,

_AKA_Bogun_
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"The best fighters I met in combat were the American P-51 Mustang and Russian Yak-9U. Both of those types obviously exceeded all Bf109 variants in performance, including the 'K'. The Mustang was unmatched in altitude performance, while the Yak-9U was champion in rate of climb and maneuverability."

- Walter Wolfrum
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Fighting fascists off my beloved Ukraine would be my call of duty tool http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif

Cossack_UA
02-12-2004, 01:23 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Cossack_UA:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bogun:
Fighting fascist invaders every step of the way from Brest to Stalingrad and then back from Stalingrad to Berlin! Defending the Mother Russia, just like my Grand Dads did.

Regards,

_AKA_Bogun_
http://www.akawardogs.com/

http://img5.photobucket.com/albums/v22/Bogun/Sevastopol.jpg

"The best fighters I met in combat were the American P-51 Mustang and Russian Yak-9U. Both of those types obviously exceeded all Bf109 variants in performance, including the 'K'. The Mustang was unmatched in altitude performance, while the Yak-9U was champion in rate of climb and maneuverability."

- Walter Wolfrum
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Fighting fascists off my beloved Ukraine would be my call of duty tool http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I ment too not tool http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif

Indianer.
02-12-2004, 01:45 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by horseback:
Changed my mind. I'd be finishing up law school so I could prosecute guys like Indianer for war crimes after the war.

cheers

horseback

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You would have to catch me first horseback. I'd probably be living in some south American country without extradidtion treaties, writing my memoirs, feeling all proud and nostalgic. No doubt i would die a very happy man; my grave being a place of pilgrimage for neo-Nazis.


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PS If you were lucky enough to catch me, I would have probably been sentanced to death by hanging. Then after all the fuss had died down i would be released from prison after serving a token sentence of 3yrs or so.


damn...I bet you feel so cheated http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I wouldnt waste the money on law school. Just go back to your job as school janitor.


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ASH_HOUSE_WARES
02-12-2004, 06:31 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Indianer.:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by horseback:
Changed my mind. I'd be finishing up law school so I could prosecute guys like Indianer for war crimes after the war.

cheers

horseback

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You would have to catch me first horseback. I'd probably be living in some south American country without extradidtion treaties, writing my memoirs, feeling all proud and nostalgic. No doubt i would die a very happy man; my grave being a place of pilgrimage for neo-Nazis.


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PS If you were lucky enough to catch me, I would have probably been sentanced to death by hanging. Then after all the fuss had died down i would be released from prison after serving a token sentence of 3yrs or so.


damn...I bet you feel so cheated http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I wouldnt waste the money on law school. Just go back to your job as school janitor.


"Wer auf die preussische Fahne schwort, hat nichts mehr, was ihm selber gehort"<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Yup.. talk is cheap! This GENERAL DISCUSSION forum just does not cover all the bases here.. We need a PRIMITIVE SCREWHEAD FORUM for stuff like this!

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crazyivan1970
02-12-2004, 06:36 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bogun:
Fighting fascist invaders every step of the way from Brest to Stalingrad and then back from Stalingrad to Berlin! Defending the Mother Russia, just like my Grand Dads did.

Regards,

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Right behind you on the one Bogan. Just like our grand dads... may they rest in peace http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

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Bearcat99
02-12-2004, 06:49 PM
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Bearcat99
02-12-2004, 06:49 PM
oooops

Indianer.
02-13-2004, 12:39 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by ASH_HOUSE_WARES:
Yup.. talk is cheap! This GENERAL DISCUSSION forum just does not cover all the bases here.. We need a PRIMITIVE SCREWHEAD FORUM for stuff like this![QUOTE]



Hi ASH.


What would also be nice is a forum for those posters that love to fly the flag of political correctness and dont have the intelect to recognise sarcasm when they see it.


Read closely again. if you dont get it, ask your dad. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

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jeroen_R90S
02-13-2004, 09:27 AM
Allright, my €0.02 on this fantasy-thread...

If I'd had the age I'm now, I'd probably be a drafted soldier in the Dutch army... IF I'd managed to survive the first days of may 1940 (invasion of the Netherlands), I'd be living more or less a normal life for some time and either spend the rest of my time doing that, or more likely, being called (=forced!) upon the Arbeitseinsatz, building the Atlantikwall or assembling some lousy Messerschmitt 109 in a continiously bombed factory hoping it would fall apart with pilot and all due to my bad workmanship.

No fancy I'll-shoot-down-12-Bf-109s-in-my-Fokker D.XXI or I'll-wave-to-the-friendly-German-patrol-boat-and sail-to-England stuff.

I would have to have joined the airforce pre-war, and I haven't done that in these days so I wouldn't have done it either if I'd lived in those days.

Jeroen

ASH_HOUSE_WARES
02-13-2004, 10:10 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Indianer.:
Hi ASH.
What would also be nice is a forum for those posters that love to fly the flag of political correctness and dont have the intelect to recognise sarcasm when they see it.
Read closely again. if you dont get it, ask your dad.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I read it, nothing sarcastic about it.. As for my dad, he is out of town, so I just ask your MOM when she comes over later after putting you to bed

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ViktorViktor
02-13-2004, 10:23 AM
Well, I'd be doing what my idol, John Wayne was doing back in '43. Let's see now, what was Duke Wayne up to back then ? Oh yes, now I remember - he was 'on location' making a film in Mexico for the duration of the war. Never mind, he was a man's man and grew to be quite a 'hawk' later in life (well after he became ineligible to serve). On second thought, I'd rather have been hanging around with Pappy Boyington and the Black Sheep squadron in the Pacific.

ASH_HOUSE_WARES
02-13-2004, 10:36 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ViktorViktor:
Well, I'd be doing what my idol, John Wayne was doing back in '43. Let's see now, what was Duke Wayne up to back then ? Oh yes, now I remember - he was 'on location' making a film in Mexico for the duration of the war. Never mind, he was a man's man and grew to be quite a 'hawk' later in life (well after he became ineligible to serve). On second thought, I'd rather have been hanging around with Pappy Boyington and the Black Sheep squadron in the Pacific.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>holloywood hero.. Jimmy Stewart

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horseback
02-13-2004, 11:28 AM
As a matter of record- John Wayne in 1943 would have been in his thirties, and he had a bad knee from his college football days at USC (before they had all those helmets and pads, you rugby chauvinists!), which is the reason for his distinctive walk.

The armed services wouldn't take him, period. They still don't take people who've had knee surgery, even in these times of advanced surgical techniques. He did what he could, even if it was on location for Republic Pictures, and it probably had a more postive effect than if he HAD made it into a combat unit.

Military service isn't the only barometer of manhood, patriotism or contribution to the war effort.

Cheers

horseback

"Here's your new Mustangs, boys. You can learn to fly'em on the way to the target. Cheers!" -LTCOL Don Blakeslee, 4th FG CO, February 27th, 1944

ASH_HOUSE_WARES
02-13-2004, 11:34 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by horseback:
As a matter of record- John Wayne in 1943 would have been in his thirties, and he had a bad knee from his college football days at USC (before they had all those helmets and pads, you rugby chauvinists!), which is the reason for his distinctive walk.

The armed services wouldn't take him, period. They still don't take people who've had knee surgery, even in these times of advanced surgical techniques. He did what he could, even if it was on location for Republic Pictures, and it probably had a more postive effect than if he HAD made it into a combat unit.

Military service isn't the only barometer of manhood, patriotism or contribution to the war effort.

Cheers

horseback<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>GROOVY! Didnt know that about the Duke's knee! Thanks for the info! And I agree.. he did all that he could and then some.. As for the contribution.. it might not be the only barometer.. but it is the highest.. Im sure Clinton would dissagree though! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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Indianer.
02-13-2004, 01:05 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ASH_HOUSE_WARES:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Indianer.:
Hi ASH.
What would also be nice is a forum for those posters that love to fly the flag of political correctness and dont have the intelect to recognise sarcasm when they see it.
Read closely again. if you dont get it, ask your dad


I read it, nothing sarcastic about it.. As for my dad, he is out of town, so I just ask your MOM when she comes over later after putting you to bed .<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Oh, your dads out of town is he? More like he left when he realised his "son" was also his little brother. You didn't mention your mum. Mind you, it is Friday, she's usually "works" late at the weekend doesn't she?

Nevermind m8 it could be worse...you could be an american!



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CRSutton
02-13-2004, 01:21 PM
Me and my 4F *** would be back in the States, selling black market sugar and gas, while teaching all the lonely ladies how to drive a rivet-"If you know what I mean." http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

ViktorViktor
02-13-2004, 01:39 PM
Hi Horseback -
According to the John Wayne article at www.straightdope.com, (http://www.straightdope.com,) Wayne was eventually reclassifed from deferred status up to 1A (eligible). Wayne's Hollywood studio then proceeded to negotiate this back to deferred status. So Wayne seems to have had a choice, but opted to stay in the film business.

But to be fair, the article also points out that Wayne's career wasn't established at that point, and that joining the military ranks would have probably ended it for good. So he had alot to lose by reporting for military service.

ASH_HOUSE_WARES
02-13-2004, 01:43 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Indianer.:
Oh, your dads out of town is he? More like he left when he realised his "son" was also his little brother. You didn't mention your mum. Mind you, it is Friday, she's usually "works" late at the weekend doesn't she?

Nevermind m8 it could be worse...you could be an american!
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>LOL! Well now.. thanks for the trip down memory lane.. I feel like Im in 5th grade again! Next thing you know you will be saying things like "I know you are but what am I?".. Like to stick around and play with you some more.. but it looks like your getting a little upset.. So, Ill let you go.. Take care!

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horseback
02-13-2004, 06:50 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ViktorViktor:
Hi Horseback -
According to the John Wayne article at http://www.straightdope.com, Wayne was eventually reclassifed from deferred status up to 1A (eligible). Wayne's Hollywood studio then proceeded to negotiate this back to deferred status. So Wayne seems to have had a choice, but opted to stay in the film business.

But to be fair, the article also points out that Wayne's career wasn't established at that point, and that joining the military ranks would have probably ended it for good. So he had alot to lose by reporting for military service.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Viktor-

Generally speaking, I tend to take any web source of information with a healthy grain of salt-particularly when I can't get the link to work, or have any way to confirm their information. My personal rule of thumb is that people who have to tell you that they're telling the truth require a lot more than their own say so to be credible.

If your leg is bad enough that you can't play college football any more, then chances are that the Draft Board won't touch you, particularly if you're a married man in your thirties. As I pointed out, Wayne had that gimp in his stride to his dying day, and it was not an affectation, or he wouldn't have had it in the epic stinker "Ghengis Khan."

It seems more likely that Republic tried to stop Wayne, whose signature role as the Ringo Kid in "Stagecoach" before the war had already made him an up and comer, from trying to obtain a 1-A reclassification, and the usual retelling and mistelling of the story ended in the version you got at a website with an interest in slamming the usual icons.

My own experience in this area is twofold; I was draft age during the Vietnam era (I went Navy, but EVERYONE knew the rules and exemptions inside out back then, and they were tighter than in WWII, where there were plenty of volunteers), and one of my younger brothers, whose intelligence scores were surprisingly high (to me at least) was turned away from the Navy in 1979/80 because he'd had minor knee surgery a couple of years before. 1979-1981 were the peak "hemmorhage of talent" years for the US military before the Reagan buildup, and the Navy was desperate for for bright young men (enough so that I was offered a reenlistment bonus totaling more than my total previous six years' salaries in Navy service in '81).

If John Wayne had really been able to get reclassified 1-A in the war years, my little brother would have just retired from the Navy a few years ago, and still be giving me hell for getting out when I did.

Cheers

horseback

"Here's your new Mustangs, boys. You can learn to fly'em on the way to the target. Cheers!" -LTCOL Don Blakeslee, 4th FG CO, February 27th, 1944

BfHeFwMe
02-13-2004, 06:59 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by frag_bravo:
I heard it was really tough to get into the air corps.I would have been in the in the infantry.Even tougher outfit.sleeping outside,being shelled.Night patrols.Pilots on the American and German side had it pretty easy from what I read,<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's simply not true, the USAAF had far higher casualty rates, and you had a much higher chance of being a POW flying over Europe. The fact is you were far safer in the Infantry.

ViktorViktor
02-14-2004, 11:45 AM
Hi Horseback -
I'll take your word about how tough it was to get into the military during the Vietnam War era, but it wasn't the same situation in 1943. As they say, where there's a will, there's a way, and I believe that a fellow like Wayne who did his own movie stunts could have gotten into the military if he really wanted to. I know of several people who got into the military in WWII, although technically they shouldn't have been accepted.

I don't blame Wayne for not joining the military. But I think it's wrong for people like him go public with their political views. It's directly misleading because people looked at him as hero, which he wasn't. Wayne, after all, made a living merely pretending to be a hero. On the other hand, there were fellows like Donald Blakeslee made a living BEING A HERO. These 2 guys were worlds apart when it comes to life achievements, but which one of the 2 do you think people admired the most ? Most people don't even know who Horseback Leader was and that's a shame. But we all remember John Wayne and many people mistook him for the real thing.

By the way, didn't Blakeslee doctor his own flight logs so that he wouldn't have to be sent back home after flying so many combat missions over Europe? Like I said, it's not a guy like Wayne people should have looked up to, it was a guy like Blakeslee. Hope we can agree on that.

Indianer.
02-14-2004, 01:28 PM
ASH.



lol, funny stuff, I enjoyed that. No hard feelings m8.

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ASH_HOUSE_WARES
02-14-2004, 01:36 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Indianer.:
ASH.

lol, funny stuff, I enjoyed that. No hard feelings m8.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Thanks! 5th grade was a fun time for sure! As for hard feelings.. None here either! In that I would have to care first! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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PBNA-Boosher
02-14-2004, 01:56 PM
I woudn't be born yet, nor would my parents, however, If I was alive at that time, and fighting age, I'd have signed up with the US Navy and flown my heart out in any plane they gave me!

maverick7614
02-14-2004, 09:41 PM
id probably fly with the heros of the mighty eighth,IF i had a choice that is. Even if i did wind up flin for them, id be shot down and become some German officers *****. LOL. just kiddin, id never make a good pilot. Id have to be a ground poundin doughboy on the frontline!

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