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BS87
01-20-2004, 08:39 PM
OK, so i'm having tons of fun flying & learning the 190A5, and sometimes i'm good in it, others just down right noobish. But still, its tons of fun, and i just fell , i dunno, "right" when i fly it. Well, today, i made the mistake of taking up the P47 D22 for giggle... Oh man, that thing doesnt climb so god, but one you get her diving, sheesh! i fell in love. My accuracy inst so good with the .50cal, but man they shred stuff! So now i'm torn between the jug and the Anton 5. Whats a guy to do?

Guess i'm flying BOTH from now on >8^D

BS87
01-20-2004, 08:39 PM
OK, so i'm having tons of fun flying & learning the 190A5, and sometimes i'm good in it, others just down right noobish. But still, its tons of fun, and i just fell , i dunno, "right" when i fly it. Well, today, i made the mistake of taking up the P47 D22 for giggle... Oh man, that thing doesnt climb so god, but one you get her diving, sheesh! i fell in love. My accuracy inst so good with the .50cal, but man they shred stuff! So now i'm torn between the jug and the Anton 5. Whats a guy to do?

Guess i'm flying BOTH from now on >8^D

FI-Aflak
01-20-2004, 08:47 PM
take the P-47. A good jug pilot gets more respect than a good Anton pilot anywhere.

And the jug is so ... so ... perfect!

I mean, wait until you get in a prolonger dogfigth with a Yak-3, make a few stupid mistakes (seeing as you are a new pilot), decide you've had enough and begin running for home, all the while with him blazing away.

You will see shells exploding on your wings, all over your fuselage, but you just-keep-going.

If you have a good teammate who will jump the bogey, you will make it back in one peice.


The first time that happend I was hooked. Nothing gets you back home like a jug.

BS87
01-20-2004, 09:22 PM
Yeah, earlier i played the "Fly home with half a tailplane sand a 3ft hole in the wing" game. It was fun, and i actually made it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

EldOVed
01-21-2004, 08:09 AM
Yea the jug or (flying rock) is great, just dont turn and dont fly under 3000m and you'll be ok.

TX-Zen
01-21-2004, 08:16 AM
BS87 is not a new pilot btw, he's quite good. Only alarming thing about him is his sudden infatuation with the Jug http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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JG26Red
01-21-2004, 08:47 AM
i for one have never liked the jug... i find it too cumbersom and ironically rather slow... climbs like a rock, when u do get alt and want to dive on somebody it feels like mush and barely moves, if low and slow your just a big juicy target, especailly for 30mm... .50s are nice and it is very durable, but not for me...

FW190 all the way

Rajvosa
01-21-2004, 08:53 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JG26Red:
i for one have never liked the jug... i find it too cumbersom and ironically rather slow... climbs like a rock, when u do get alt and want to dive on somebody it feels like mush and barely moves, if low and slow your just a big juicy target, especailly for 30mm... .50s are nice and it is very durable, but not for me...

FW190 all the way<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


My thoughts exactly! But it's probably my lack of skill. On the other hand, I've no wish to learn how to fly P-47 "properly". FW 190 is my plane of chice, until the Spit comes arround.



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Zayets
01-21-2004, 08:55 AM
Jug!Alll the way!Can't think on anything else http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Zayets out

michapma
01-21-2004, 09:12 AM
The Jug? Two words: ground POUNDING. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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DONB3397
01-21-2004, 09:19 AM
Best thing to do is put yourself into an FMB dogfight between the A5 and D22. Use FMB so you can vary starting altitudes and directions, AI or coop. Fly the jug once, then the A5 and so forth.

I love the D22 up high, bnz. But generally I want to get the target in one pass with all that firepower. In a dive, it's not likely that I can change directions real fast. If the A5 rolls out of the way and sets up for a turning fight, I know it's trouble. In real life, Don Blakeslee, of the 4th FG, took on a couple of 190s over France with this tactic. They beat him up pretty badly. James Goodson, diving, managed to chase them off, and Blakeslee barely got back to England in his smoking, oil coated jug. No question, the plane was tough.

Tactically, I think the P47 needs to stay high so it can dive to attack...or dive to run. If it has to climb or accelerate in combat you could be in a mess.

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carguy_
01-21-2004, 09:33 AM
I have never been shot down by a jug.
I`ll be shocked if you`ll beat any good Me109 pilot by most of the time you`ll be a very nice target.

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crazyivan1970
01-21-2004, 10:11 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by carguy_:
I have never been shot down by a jug.
I`ll be shocked if you`ll beat any good Me109 pilot by most of the time you`ll be a very nice target.

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That`s a pretty strong statement mate. Not like i don`t believe you..but in Full Diff settings most of the time whoever sees opponent first wins. BTW one pass from jug is good enough .. doesn`t matter how good you are or what plane you fly.. if you didn`t see it coming you as good as dead http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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LilHorse
01-21-2004, 10:28 AM
The Jug is one of the planes I wish I had time to get to be good in. Man, it dives fast! Where other planes would just fall apart it keeps going and you have plenty of control with it too. Since it's my favorite fighter of the war I wish I could get around to flying it. But I'm too busy with still trying to master the 109, which I probably never will http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif.

ShVAK
01-21-2004, 10:41 AM
Flown properly, the Jug is unbeatable, regardless of the opponent's skill or aircraft flown. However, in the next add-on, the P-38 should take away the P-47's service ceiling advantage and steal the title.

ajafoofoo
01-21-2004, 11:04 AM
Well, he's never played full real. That's why a jug has never got him.

He likes icons, no cockpit, and external view so he can watch enemies on his 6 from outside his plane and avoid fire by juking everytime he sees the enemy nose get deflection position.

And most "full real" servers seem to have externals on now because people want to fly that damn b17.

A real blow to gameplay for one stupid AI plane.

BS87
01-21-2004, 05:16 PM
Heh, its ok, i still fly the 190s alot. Now instead of 95% time flying the 190s, its 50/50 between them and the Jug.



ANd dont worry zen, i fly with german markings, so i'm not all evil yet &gt;8^D

Lucius_Esox
01-21-2004, 05:25 PM
ShVak,
Sorry m8 I dont agree with you!

tttiger
01-21-2004, 05:47 PM
Don Blakeslee (4th FG) said of the Jug: "It's a good thing it can dive because it sure as hell can't climb."

Robert S. Johnson (56th FG) liked the Jug better than the P-51 (and he always flew Razorbacks). He pointed out an interview a few years ago, it's like comparing the 109 and 190. One is fragile with an inline engine, the other very tough with a radial engine.

To paraphrase Johnson: The P-47 kicked the Luftwaffe's butt all through 1943.

Although most Jug units converted to P-51 by the end of the war, the 56th never did and they had the highest score and more aces of any FG in the ETO, including Gabreski.

The Jug Rules (if flown properly)!

As to the P-38, we'll just have to wait and see. Its major advantage (two engines for reliability during cross-ocean trips, which pilots in the PTO and MTO valued greatly) and disadvantage (absolutely useless cockpit heating, they called it "The Ice Wagon" in the ETO) won't make any difference in FB. I loved the P-38 in WarBirds (having all that firepower without convergance issues was awesome) but it is a very large airplane (and thus a big target) and that long thin vator is very vulnerable. Looking forward to it in FB.

ttt

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[This message was edited by tttiger on Wed January 21 2004 at 04:55 PM.]

JG27_Dacripler
01-21-2004, 05:53 PM
Argggg isn't it not fun to play a game and have so many choices?? Yum kind of like a kid in a candy store. Fly what ya want, whenever ya want.

p1ngu666
01-21-2004, 06:01 PM
i like to fly a ton of planes http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
hence i am experten in none, but i can fly all, badly http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Rajvosa
01-22-2004, 02:00 AM
Don't get overly excited about the P-38. There was a reason pilots just couldn't wait to replace it with P-47 and P-51. With its 16 m wingspan it rolls to slow. It doesn't turn very good either. So the only tactic left is to bounce, bounce and bounce. And how fun is that, honestly? This applies in part to P-47 as well. So I'm quite sure that there will be an endless whining once we get it and everyone realizes that P-38 is not such a hot rod everyone here seems to think.



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Tully__
01-22-2004, 03:58 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Rajvosa:
Don't get overly excited about the P-38. There was a reason pilots just couldn't wait to replace it with P-47 and P-51. With its 16 m wingspan it rolls to slow. It doesn't turn very good either. So the only tactic left is to bounce, bounce and bounce. And how fun is that, honestly? This applies in part to P-47 as well. So I'm quite sure that there will be an endless whining once we get it and everyone realizes that P-38 is not such a hot rod everyone here seems to think.



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By all accounts I've read, while slow to initiate a turn, once established in a turn the P-38 surprised a lot of enemy pilots. Though not a turn & burn plane by any means (let down in initial roll rate), it could turn tightly if required.

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Rajvosa
01-22-2004, 04:06 AM
I'm not saying it's worthless in combat, after all top US ace, Ira Bong scored 40 kills in P-38 (not sure if they were all made in a P-38). Anyway I think it will be rather sluggish and full of vices. The real P-38 definitely was very unforgiving fighter. Sort of a US-made Bf 109. It will take a lot of training to master it. Probably will be the most complex fighter in the game. Which is not a bad thing!



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arcadeace
01-22-2004, 04:10 AM
I believe most all **** Bong's kill were in the P-38. As he would testify, its the one a/c to go head-on with anyone. A very stable platform, and those 50s meant quick destruction.

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WUAF_Badsight
01-22-2004, 06:32 AM
its going to be awesome to finally get this bird in FB

am REALLY looking foward to seeing how its moddeled & setting up some coops with it

TX-Zen
01-22-2004, 08:16 AM
I am eagerly awaiting the P38, thats for sure. As for vices, heck planes without them aren't fun to fly.

Definately my favorite American plane of all time, I'm drooling over this as much as the TA152 believe it or not. Can't wait to do some skinning on it and see what she's got in game...if the CEM is modelled properly there ought to be a way to do out of sync throttling which supposedly in the hands of a skilled pilot could dramatically increase the turn rate.

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ShVAK
01-22-2004, 09:03 AM
To effectively turn the P-38, dual throttle inputs would be required - max power and pitch on the ouboard prop whilst minimizing these settings on the innner.

Like I said earlier, the P-47 is unbeatable if well flown. For those P-47 non-believers in the earlier posts - no other aircraft in this game even comes close to combatting the P-47 at an altitude of 11,000 metres or higher, a place where I generally cruise at. The trouble is that it takes a long time to get there!

The P-38 has a still higher service ceiling which will make it even more enticing as a high altitude fighter.

trumper
01-22-2004, 10:52 AM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif nothing like a nice pair of jugs http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif ohhhhhhh sorrryyyy ,wrong forum http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif