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Lord Ingues
06-18-2004, 10:21 PM
Hello folks,

I just got into flight sims about a few weeks ago and picked up a Saitek X45 HOTAS and IL-2 Sturmovik (the original not the Forgotten Battles expansion). I also recently ordered the Track IR 3 Pro devince - looks freakin' amazing! I haven't played flight sims in about 8 years so I'm still drooling over the quantum-leap in graphics/realism that Sturmovik has to offer.

Just a few quick questions:

1. I read that the original IL2 Sturmovik game does not have direct support for the TrackIR device? Can it still be used with it though? Perhaps the Mouse Emulation mode?

2. If not, can the missions from the original IL2 Sturmovik be played using Forgotten Battles with its native TrackIR support? Maybe the mission files can be imported into Forgotten Batttles?

I really want to dive in to the original game and get good with it before "graduating" on to Forgotten Battles or the Aces expansion, but not being able to use the Track IR with it would be torture as it looks just too damn cool! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Also, can anyone recommend some other sims that are of comparable quality to IL2? I heard good things about LOMAC and saw some videos and it looked incredible as well.

Anyways thanks for any help, I'm really excited about jumping into this new genre of games!

Lord Ingues (former Day Of Defeat/ Red Orchestra freak)

Lord Ingues
06-18-2004, 10:21 PM
Hello folks,

I just got into flight sims about a few weeks ago and picked up a Saitek X45 HOTAS and IL-2 Sturmovik (the original not the Forgotten Battles expansion). I also recently ordered the Track IR 3 Pro devince - looks freakin' amazing! I haven't played flight sims in about 8 years so I'm still drooling over the quantum-leap in graphics/realism that Sturmovik has to offer.

Just a few quick questions:

1. I read that the original IL2 Sturmovik game does not have direct support for the TrackIR device? Can it still be used with it though? Perhaps the Mouse Emulation mode?

2. If not, can the missions from the original IL2 Sturmovik be played using Forgotten Battles with its native TrackIR support? Maybe the mission files can be imported into Forgotten Batttles?

I really want to dive in to the original game and get good with it before "graduating" on to Forgotten Battles or the Aces expansion, but not being able to use the Track IR with it would be torture as it looks just too damn cool! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Also, can anyone recommend some other sims that are of comparable quality to IL2? I heard good things about LOMAC and saw some videos and it looked incredible as well.

Anyways thanks for any help, I'm really excited about jumping into this new genre of games!

Lord Ingues (former Day Of Defeat/ Red Orchestra freak)

LStarosta
06-18-2004, 10:23 PM
I dunno about trackIR, but I don't see why you would want to play the original IL2, when Forgotten Battles and it's addon is basically all of IL2 and a LOT more...

Bearcat99
06-18-2004, 10:56 PM
Do yourself a favor and spend the money and get The FB Aces Gold pack..... dont be a cheap bastige...... dont be frugal... dont be conservative...... buy the sim and then start working it.. you wont be sorry.

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Tully__
06-18-2004, 11:02 PM
1. Yes, TIR works with Sturmovik in emulation mode.

2. Yes, Sturmovik missions (mostly) work fine in FB. The exceptions are a couple of missions designed for early Sturmovik patch versions for aircraft that later were changed so that you can only start the engine on the runway. If the mission requires you to start the engine anywhere else, it wont in FB or late patch versions of Sturmovik.

As for "graduating" to FB, stall characteristics (the biggest chanllenge IMHO) are actually less severe in FB. In terms of flight skill, my personal opinion is that Sturmovik is a harder sim to fly than FB, though with complex engine management on, FB has a higher pilot workload.

For other sims, nothing comes close in ww2 ere sims in flight model terms. For jets, LOMAC has the best reputation but still seems to have a few issues with the control interface (though patches are helping a lot). Drop by the LOMAC forums right next door for more info http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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73GIAP_Milan
06-19-2004, 06:04 AM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif Maybe it's good that you want to start out on the Original Il2 Sturmovik...if you can fly all planes in that game on full realism settings, you can pilot all planes in il2/FB for sure..since the flight characteristics in FB are a bit more friendly....

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Chuck_Older
06-19-2004, 07:31 AM
LordIngues-

I can't see any advantages, really, in your purchase of the original Il*2, unfortunately. It is a fine bit of programming, but there are a few things to consider regarding it, such as:

*it's not a more 'basic' game, as in it not will train you for the 'harder' Il*2:Forgotten Battles. It will not be like spending time in the Minors before getting called up to the Major League.

*Support for Il*2:FB will of course be ending in the not horribly distant future, because of other simulations in development by 1C:Maddox Games. This is not to say that Il*2:FB is useless because it's obsolete, in fact it's very much alive and well, but it is a fact that Il*2 is even older

*There are features of Il*2:FB that Il*2 doesn't have, and the differences will not be apparent to you, not having played both, when you come to these forums and ask questions. You will be receiving FB oriented responses to Il*2 questions, or read info that doesn't apply to Il*2, or get no repsonse at all, because we just don't know, we don't, as a rule, usually play Il*2

*It will be comfusing to have to sift through info that is about aircraft that you don't have, or to read about how the latest patch has changed this or that, or where is this on the onlinemt map, or about that place on the Ardennes map, etc.



Since all these other things were purchased by you, I think I can safely assume that buying the Gold Pack is a monetary possibilty for you. I recommend strongly that you purchase the Il*2:Forgotten Battles Gold Pack. You will be "on the same page" as the overwhelming majority of members here, and your experience with flight sims will only benefit from it, and you will find, I think, that you will have an easier time overall with the resources available to the Il*2:FB community if you are playing FB instead of the original Il*2.

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Lord Ingues
06-19-2004, 08:00 AM
Awesome, thanks for all the great advice everyone! Sounds like I'll have to get FB expansion pack then - been itching to see the Me 262 in action anyways! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Also another quickie: could anyone recommend a good set of rudder foot pedals, maybe in the $100 to $200 range? I see that CH makes some nice ones. The yaw control on the X45 controller is adequate but a bit too touchy in my opinion. Plus doesn't have the immersion factor of some real foot pedals.

I'll be running out to pick up the FB Gold Pack today then, sounds like poor ol' vanilla IL2 getting a little long in the tooth heh heh

Hope to see you all online sometime,

!Salute

Lord Ingues

Tully__
06-19-2004, 10:11 AM
CH are the popular choice, with Simped being the primary competitors in the same quality range. For better pedals you have to hunt around for speciality manufacturers @ astronomical prices or make your own.

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Bearcat99
06-19-2004, 11:35 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Lord Ingues:
Awesome, thanks for all the great advice everyone! Sounds like I'll have to get FB expansion pack then - been itching to see the Me 262 in action anyways! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Also another quickie: could anyone recommend a good set of rudder foot pedals, maybe in the $100 to $200 range? I see that CH makes some nice ones. The yaw control on the X45 controller is adequate but a bit too touchy in my opinion. Plus doesn't have the immersion factor of some real foot pedals.

I'll be running out to pick up the FB Gold Pack today then, sounds like poor ol' vanilla IL2 getting a little long in the tooth heh heh

Hope to see you all online sometime,
!Salute
Lord Ingues<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I use the CH pedals... they are great. I hear the simpeds are better quality wise but they are also more pricey. I have had my CH pedals for almost 2 years now and I use them every day with no problems thusfar.

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Lord Ingues
06-19-2004, 08:37 PM
Cool thanks again guys, I went and picked up the FB Gold pack as was recommended ... gonna look into those CH pedals too http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Lord Ingues

ausmondo
06-19-2004, 08:59 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Lord Ingues:
Cool thanks again guys, I went and picked up the FB Gold pack as was recommended ... gonna look into those CH pedals too http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Lord Ingues<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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missiveus
06-19-2004, 09:24 PM
Another vote for CH Products Pro Rudder Pedals. I've had mine since the USB version was released, never had a problem even though they get beat up daily. For around 100 $US they can't be beat. Simped, a German manufacturer, makes a quality product at a higher price. Here's their link:
http://home.t-online.de/home/d-hofmann/homeeng.htm

Also, the Track IR3 is amazing. Just set mine up a few days ago. It's changed the way I fly and fight, making cockpit flying possible. Much more realistic.

STENKA_69.GIAP
06-20-2004, 12:41 AM
CH Pro pedals - great investment - the little wires inside sometimes break but you just take them apart, solder it up and the work again like new.

The other advantage that I think no-one mentionned about getting the latest AEP version is the on-line play - while a few people play IL2 online - most are on the latest version.

Online play, with and against real humans is very different - so once you are comfortable in your cockpit try online

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Lord Ingues
06-20-2004, 08:16 AM
Thanks for the good tips, missiveus and Stenka. I priced a pair of CH pedals around $107 or so at Bust Buy; probably be picking up a pair of them in a week or so (just in time for my Track IR to arrive *evil laugh*

Had a great time last night trying to get The Hunchback back down on the deck after my first couple ackward flights, took me 4 attempts and managed to ding up the rotor real good too! Oh well, they say any landing you can walk away from is a good one, right?? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I went and had a look at those Simped pedals as well, missiveus, and couldn't really make much sense of their site or find any pricing either lol Oh well, time to brush up on my Deutsch then I suppose http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Oh and last but not least ausmondo - thanks its good to be here http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Now if you'll excuse I must go clean my Kar98! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif