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huggy87
03-30-2004, 10:11 PM
Which gives you the best performance? It looked like directx to me. Can anyone explain the difference to me. Keep it simple, you are talking space-travel to a pig.

huggy87
03-30-2004, 10:11 PM
Which gives you the best performance? It looked like directx to me. Can anyone explain the difference to me. Keep it simple, you are talking space-travel to a pig.

JR_Greenhorn
03-30-2004, 10:16 PM
Well, I would think that pigs should master flying before they attempt space travel.



Sorry, I couldn't help myself.
I await your answer too.

RobertNighthawk
03-30-2004, 10:34 PM
Open GL works best for IL2 FB. Most people get better frame rates (thus smoother appearance without slideshow effect or stutter) than by using Dircet X.

Why?

It is just made that way. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif


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mortoma
03-31-2004, 10:13 AM
Personally I use DX, since OpenGL will cause more stutters in big maps like Leningrad/Finland, especially when I fly around heavy Flak and cities. OGL does give me slightly higher frames in "quiet" settings but I can't afford the slow downs around cities and enemy airbases. Also DX looks a little better on average quality settings. With OGL you can get so-called perfect settings to be available while in DX you can't, but that makes no difference to me since I can't set my settings even nearly that high anyway!! So it's DX all the way..........

73GIAP_Milan
03-31-2004, 10:35 AM
Has'nt the OpenGL or DirectX settings not something to do with your videocard type?

I KNOW that my GeForce2 GTS V7700 actually is an DIRECTX-card (Direct3D) but the DirectX mode on il2 gives me lesser FPS than OpenGL does...and that while my card even should not be able to run OpenGL at all as far as i have heard..
Same goes with a number of other games that SHOULD be run D3D mode on my pc, but refuse to, and are running very smooth in OpenGL mode now... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif


Can anyone give me some more insight in this too?? Like ppl that have used the older GF cards too?

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huggy87
03-31-2004, 11:56 AM
Thanks all.
I just installed a Radeon 9600 XT to replace my geforce 3 ti200. I am pretty dissapointed, I have not noticed much improvement in framrate. I must be doing something wrong.

TooCooL34
03-31-2004, 12:33 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Der_Tote_Baron:
Has'nt the OpenGL or DirectX settings not something to do with your videocard type?

I KNOW that my GeForce2 GTS V7700 actually is an DIRECTX-card (Direct3D) but the DirectX mode on il2 gives me lesser FPS than OpenGL does...and that while my card even should not be able to run OpenGL at all as far as i have heard..
Same goes with a number of other games that SHOULD be run D3D mode on my pc, but refuse to, and are running very smooth in OpenGL mode now... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Exactly opposite. Who told you that? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Heavy_Weather
03-31-2004, 12:59 PM
it seems like DirectX works well with ATI cards and OpenGL for Nvidia cards

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mortoma
03-31-2004, 01:15 PM
I have an Nvidia card but overall, as I posted earlier, DX is better for me since it doesn't slow down as much in high AAA/Flak activity on large maps. If I fly in OGL in Leningrad map, I get a slideshow if I fly near heavy flak and cites, regardless of the higher frames at other times. But in DX, I get fairly decent frames in the heavy flak and cities. In normal situations OGL has higher max and average frames, it just can't handle much activity on the Berlin and Leningrad maps. That may not be true for everybody. I have an an old TI-4600 ultra card.

SeaFireLIV
03-31-2004, 02:26 PM
I have a TI4200 128meg and decided to try DirectX today. Noticed that when aircraft start on the runway the smoke normally would cause some stutter, but with DX the stutter was gone. I also noticed that the exhaust smoke seemed less than in openGL.

I didn`t run the FPS meter, but the sim appeared improved. I`ll see what it`s like over heavy AA, etc ...

Edit: -and on 1024 the graphics seemed fine (although, I`m not so fussy about graphics as long as it looks good).

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VW-IceFire
03-31-2004, 03:20 PM
OpenGL is the native API used to do the FB engine...the DirectX version is essentially a wrapper around the graphics engine and should be a bit slower...but it was certainly well done and it works well.

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Wolfred
03-31-2004, 05:30 PM
GF fx5900 ultra, newest direct-x and opengl sucks after nvidia 56.64 drivers, but direct x settings 8xaa 8xaf 1600x1200, and the sim is very smooth compare to ogl that looks blurry, and is a slideshow, dx is the best for me, nvidia 4523 drivers is a degrade both for ogl and dx.

Raider_356th
03-31-2004, 05:49 PM
S! all

in my experience, FB laggs horribly on OpenGL, and im running a GeForce 3 Ti-200. I couldnt fly on OpenGL, got like half a frame every 10 seconds...had to switch to DirectX and it works great now, i get about 15fps or so... jus my 2 cents

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PF_Coastie
03-31-2004, 06:04 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by huggy87:
Thanks all.
I just installed a Radeon 9600 XT to replace my geforce 3 ti200. I am pretty dissapointed, I have not noticed much improvement in framrate. I must be doing something wrong.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Post your problem in the Community support forum with your Dxdiag. We will help you get sorted out there.

In the mean time, You can try the settings at my website. Link is in sig for FB and ATI settings.

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73GIAP_Milan
04-01-2004, 06:59 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>quote:
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Originally posted by Der_Tote_Baron:
Has'nt the OpenGL or DirectX settings not something to do with your videocard type?

I KNOW that my GeForce2 GTS V7700 actually is an DIRECTX-card (Direct3D) but the DirectX mode on il2 gives me lesser FPS than OpenGL does...and that while my card even should not be able to run OpenGL at all as far as i have heard..
Same goes with a number of other games that SHOULD be run D3D mode on my pc, but refuse to, and are running very smooth in OpenGL mode now...
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Exactly opposite. Who told you that?

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Full real but limited icon, minimap path and spdbar.
You can expect something, since I run the server myself. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

A friend of me, who knows alot more about pc hardware than i do http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif And this with the videocards has ever been so for me,...i had an older GeForce2MX and that one was D3D ONLY, in a game of HALFLIFE it refused to run in a normal way in OpenGL mode..and as i got my GF2GTS i presumed it was the same way here, so all my games that feature "switchable vidmodes" in this way are in D3D mode.. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

But still they seem to run all better than in OpenGL mode...really weird...

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lil_labbit
04-01-2004, 07:12 AM
OpenGL and DirectX are both software that sits between the game and your video driver.
OpenGL (Open Graphics Language) was used to optimize FB on. Meanwhile however OpenGL did not evolve much while DirectX (direct eXtentions) did, so with newer drivers (and newer videocards) DirectX probably does better now than a year ago. Only on OpenGL can you get the "perfect" setting with the water eye-candy etc in FB though. DirectX got a big boost a while back when ATI and nVidea went to war over fps (they both cheated BTW http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
And stutter when starting an engine due to dust under OpenGL ? I run 1024x768x32 on a geforce 2 Ti 32MB AGP4x 1.7Ghz 1024MB 266DDR under WinXP and never had that...

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Udidtoo
04-01-2004, 07:26 AM
Huggy, I just installed a 9800 pro last weekend.

Using my own trial and error I was getting very respectable frames.

After reading through PF Coastie and Hunters settings and making some key adjustments my frames went insane.

Coastie, Hunter, Stevie, Luckyboy..I don't know where you guys find the time and patients to work all those niggleing details out but us lazy bastages are sure glad you do!

Not sure how much performance difference in our cards but I bet they can help put a smile on your face.

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B16Enk
04-01-2004, 07:46 AM
I tested DirectX vs OGL with my 9800XT last night.

First time I ever got micro stutters!

Flying over the crimea map in QMB with one plane, with OGL it's as smooth as silk.

Only did it because I was trying to get 3D glasses working, and I failed at that too http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

lil_labbit
04-01-2004, 07:49 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by B16Enk:
I tested DirectX vs OGL with my 9800XT last night.

First time I ever got micro stutters!

Flying over the crimea map in QMB with one plane, with OGL it's as smooth as silk.

Only did it because I was trying to get 3D glasses working, and I failed at that too http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I tried 3d shutter glasses too - didn't work either http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif
But I heard that they dont work on ATI cards.

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B16Enk
04-01-2004, 09:25 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by lil_labbit:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by B16Enk:
I tested DirectX vs OGL with my 9800XT last night.

First time I ever got micro stutters!

Flying over the crimea map in QMB with one plane, with OGL it's as smooth as silk.

Only did it because I was trying to get 3D glasses working, and I failed at that too http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I tried 3d shutter glasses too - didn't work either http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif
But I heard that they dont work on ATI cards.

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Hi Labbit - the shutter glasses were great on my old Ti4200 though!
They work with MOHAA and H&D2 too, after a fashion.

WOLFMondo
04-01-2004, 10:05 AM
I used the settings here: http://www.angelfire.com/ultra/coastie0/IL2setup.html with my 9700pro and got it working in perfect with excellent FPS and FSAA X2 in openGL.

Using these settings over the default or tweaked IL2 setup gave suprisingly better results. Someone should really make this link a sticky (with PF coasties permission).

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AirBot
04-01-2004, 10:22 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Udidtoo:
After reading through PF Coastie and Hunters settings and making some key adjustments my frames went insane.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Link, please? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

SeaFireLIV
04-01-2004, 12:05 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by lil_labbit:

And stutter when starting an engine due to dust under OpenGL ? I run 1024x768x32 on a geforce 2 Ti 32MB AGP4x 1.7Ghz 1024MB 266DDR under WinXP and never had that...


Night is better than Day<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


It`s possible I`m being too sensitive, lil_labbit, your system`s almost identical to mine. But I noticed slight stutter whenever planes started up on the runway (8 or more onscreen). I`ve flown a few missions with it so far and in DirectX it just seems better. It must be the latest drivers helping like some have said, because previously DirectX used to be FAR worse than OpenGL...

Still testing...

Capt._Tenneal
04-01-2004, 12:47 PM
What I notice, though, running OpenGL in my system is not in-game, but what happens afterward. When I exit the game, I get slowdown and even freezes in my other programs. My browser, for example, will be fine the first 5 mins. then will just freeze. I also discovered, by accident, that Il-2 doesn't really "exit". The game closes and the taskbar is clear, but if I CTRL-ALT-DEL and call up the Task Manager, il2fb.exe is listed still running. Strange.

Udidtoo
04-01-2004, 02:15 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by AirBot:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Udidtoo:
After reading through PF Coastie and Hunters settings and making some key adjustments my frames went insane.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Link, please? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Mmmm lets see, Coastie's is on the 1st page of this thread. Hunters is at the top of the Community help. Aep settings Work in progress or something to that effect.

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RobertNighthawk
04-01-2004, 02:22 PM
Capt., I like your hanlde btw, http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif our beloved sim is a resource hog so make sure you close the program before trying to do other tasks or run other apps. You are probably already doing so, but close it in the task manager if it is not making a proper exit. Maybe one of our friends will have a better permanent solution. I have apps that quickly close hung applications but I dunno ? Maybe some of our learned noble friends can help us with some insight on this one.

S!