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Mike8686
08-13-2004, 09:46 AM
Guys I have a two questions to ask. Thing is on the A9 I use dual mk108s always, and I'll often get even the toughest shots to connect and kill, however when I use only the Mgs on it I cant hit as much and cant KILL! Any advice? I'd also love to fly D9 more but I cant KILL anything with its Mgs, what should be different about your approach in FW190s when using the mgs instead of mks. Also, I like to fly my A9 around 6000m and attack when I see them below, I always have trouble finding foes tho, any advice?

Mike8686
08-13-2004, 09:46 AM
Guys I have a two questions to ask. Thing is on the A9 I use dual mk108s always, and I'll often get even the toughest shots to connect and kill, however when I use only the Mgs on it I cant hit as much and cant KILL! Any advice? I'd also love to fly D9 more but I cant KILL anything with its Mgs, what should be different about your approach in FW190s when using the mgs instead of mks. Also, I like to fly my A9 around 6000m and attack when I see them below, I always have trouble finding foes tho, any advice?

Mike8686
08-13-2004, 12:28 PM
no one has replied....I'm not sure I'm using this correctly but I think this is how it works, here goes nothin'

*BUMP*

OldMan____
08-13-2004, 01:00 PM
Just forget using tose guns from dead six... you must hit directly cockpit or engine with MG or wings or side fuselage with 20mm.

If brute force does not solve your problem... you are not using enough!

Mike8686
08-13-2004, 01:46 PM
So what do FW190D9 pilots do?

robban75
08-13-2004, 01:48 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mike8686:
So what do FW190D9 pilots do?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

They get frustrated, over and over again! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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Oberleutnant Oskar-Walter Romm thoughts on his aircraft.

"I found the Fw 190D-9 to be greatly superior to those of my opponents. During dogfights at altitudes of between about 10,000 and 24,000ft, usual when meeting the Russians, I found that I could pull the D-9 into a tight turn and still retain my speed advantage. In the descent the Dora-9 picked up speed much more rapidly than the A type; in the dive it could leave the Russian Yak-3 and Yak-9 fighters standing."

Taylortony
08-13-2004, 01:52 PM
out of interest have you adjusted the guns convergence at the bottom of the arming screen? if you haven't you may find you can't hit anything at the default settings

OldMan____
08-13-2004, 02:08 PM
Not at al.. my prefered setting is 500m indeed. I find much easier to hit this way than at 200 m

If brute force does not solve your problem... you are not using enough!

Atomic_Marten
08-13-2004, 02:27 PM
I have seen amazing post on how to use Fw in combat. But since I cannot find link to it, I'll post only what I remember from reading it (and using that in-game http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif).

I can suggest u 2 things... first is that when u see ur oppo try to track him from above (and that's the hard part), and keep him below u on distance little more than 1.00. When u succeed in that, u should be able to annihilate him http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif. Especially when flying on higher alt's (that should give u an opportunity to expedite more succesfull BnZ without crashing http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif.)

Second, set gun conv. on 500m. And yes, keep using that Mk108's. Just one hit with that 30mm projectile should seriously damage enemy fighter A/C and give you chance to finish him in second pass if u miss in first. And yes, I almost forget other rather important thing; use manual prop. pitch in combat. Helps a lot.

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KGr.HH-Sunburst
08-13-2004, 10:01 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by robban75:
They get frustrated, over and over again! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

got that right http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

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mortoma
08-13-2004, 10:36 PM
I can kill planes with the FWs Mgs. But it usually takes a high deflection shot to do much damage. Anything from the rear quarter doesn't do much damage in most cases. And deflection shooting is very hard in the 190s, given the poor forward view one has. So practice and experience is required to do well with MGs in a 190 or any sort. Rear quarter shooting may get you a kill if you empty most of your load into a sole plane. But be prepared to hose the sucker down for minutes on end. And of course a lot depends on the DM of the particular plane you are shooting. In short, try not to count on your MGs too much. Better than nothing when you're out of cannon shells though and the 190s do have a lot a MG ammo. Lasts a long time.

Hunde_3.JG51
08-13-2004, 11:49 PM
Atomic_Marten, you seemed to like my 190 tips when I posted them, so if you are referring to them here is link again:

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=23110283&m=493109104&r=402100304#402100304

Mike, as for the 190D it is superior to the 190A in performance and is easier to survive in as a result. The problem is getting kills, or should I say finishing kills. Too often in Dora I will wound an opponent to where he is disabled and someone will come along with MK-108 and blow the rest of him out of the sky. I am not a point ***** but this does get frustrating. To finish off someone with current D-9 armament takes too long, meaning to finish him off you often need to park on him and let him have it. While this is certainly fun, it means you have to slow down and make yourself vulnerable. Like I said before, the one-pass killing power of the A-9 is more than just a nice bonus, it is critical as it lets you hit hard and kill without wasting energy for second, third, or fourth passes.

As for gunnery tips, use lots of rudder corrections at last moment to swing nose around and increase spray or to make corrections. Set up quick mission after quick mission of multiple aircraft engagements, your side in the FW-190A-6 for example, and your opponents being Hurricane MkI's on ace AI. This will let you practice high speed gunnery as all of your attacks should be made at high speed which is much different than the type of gunnery used when trailing and tracking an opponent through tight turns. They both require skill and practice, but they are different.

As for spotting opponents, I find this to be one of the most difficult aspects for me. I think it may be my settings (1600x1200 2xAA, 2xAF). But I refuse to tone down my settings to spot planes easier. Try to fly with friendlies or wingmen, the more pairs of eyes, the better.

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Fw-190D-9
08-14-2004, 12:27 AM
In the Dora it is hard to get a kill, but usally the best advice is to be choosey on targets, make sure you have a hight advantage to them, and if you can goad them in to going a head on head fight then aim for the engine if it's a liquid cooled, usally you can knock that out of action in the first pass.

And I usally have my guns converge at 300 meters.

TheGozr
08-14-2004, 04:14 AM
Hunde_3.JG51
About changing your resolutionm to at list 1152X864 and go up in the AF ( anisotropic )
with a minimum of 4X/6X, you'll see the image will be better, sharper, much better far view distance.

There is no need to go so hight in the resolution when you can have a better image quality at a lower res. .. AND &gt;&gt;&gt;higher refresh rate &lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;

Your VGA card and your eyes will thank you.. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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Atomic_Marten
08-14-2004, 01:16 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hunde_3.JG51:
Atomic_Marten, you seemed to like my 190 tips when I posted them, so if you are referring to them here is link again:

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=23110283&m=493109104&r=402100304#402100304

Formerly Kyrule2
http://www.jg51.com/<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Without any other thoughts, I think it is VERY RARE to find so good tips/tricks/suggestions/other... about using any A/C in game (in this case Fw190) on this forum. You take that to whole another level and every other Fw190 flyer should read that (whether experienced or not).

Thx mate for posting that. It helped me a lot and I'm hoping that it would help others also.
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Hunde_3.JG51
08-14-2004, 01:28 PM
Thanks for the kind words atomic_marten, much appreciated. I'm glad you are finding them useful as well.

Gozr, thanks also, I will give it a try. The problem is I have a 21-inch monitor and I'm not sure how it will look at 1152X864, even with higher AA and AF. But I will certainly give it a try and thanks again for the tip.

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Korolov
08-14-2004, 01:45 PM
Am I the only one who likes the 13mm MG? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

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OldMan____
08-14-2004, 02:07 PM
I think yes. I only downwd very few planes with MG and that was on p51 weak engine.

If brute force does not solve your problem... you are not using enough!

TheGozr
08-14-2004, 03:05 PM
i use 21 and 22 inch as well http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
But don't go high in AA.. try http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Hunde_3.JG51
08-14-2004, 04:19 PM
Tried it out Gozr and now I have a dilemma http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif. You are absolutely right, I can't believe how much your settings increased plane visibility. However, the hit in game appearance is pretty severe IMO. Now I have to decide which is best.

Thanks again for giving me an option, I have been curious about this for a long time and your settings made it clear (literally). It is much appreciated.

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TheGozr
08-14-2004, 04:56 PM
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VW-IceFire
08-14-2004, 10:03 PM
Use firing sweeps against targets in the FW190D-9. Its tricky but aim for where the fighter will be and walk shots across it as it passes into the line of fire.

Either that or dead six shots. Its usually extremes of one or the other.

Tougher to achieve kills yes...but performance advantage is huge. I tend not to take MK108's on the A-9 anyways.

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