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SkyChimp
05-06-2004, 07:50 PM
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SkyChimp
05-06-2004, 07:50 PM
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TaZ_Attack
05-06-2004, 11:56 PM
Hey Chimpy...kewl post!

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KIMURA
05-07-2004, 12:09 AM
Cotcha, Sky. you've "stolen" your sig from Mr.Hasegawa, better said from one of his kits. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/34.gif

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and how's about that one, aboar USS Randolph? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif

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Kimura

[This message was edited by KIMURA on Fri May 07 2004 at 03:24 AM.]

HangerQueen
05-07-2004, 03:28 AM
Funky. I knew the Americans made copies of the V1 (they called it "Loon") but I never knew they had their own guided glide bombs. But will it be in the game?

"Do you not know? Have you not heard? The Lord is the everlasting God, the Creator of the ends of the earth. He will not grow tired or weary, and his understanding no one can fathom." Isaiah 40:28

KIMURA
05-07-2004, 04:19 AM
here some stuff to read

http://www.chandelle-jah.com/articles/bat.html

http://museum.nist.gov/panels/batmissile/images/batfinished_B.jpg

Kimura

Gibbage1
05-07-2004, 12:44 PM
It seems a common misconception that the Germans were the only pioneers of weapons http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Nobody else was close too a self-guided bomb. They were developing one, but the radar sets they had and the electronics were nowere NEAR the US's.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by HangerQueen:
Funky. I knew the Americans made copies of the V1 (they called it "Loon") but I never knew they had their own guided glide bombs. But will it be in the game?

"Do you not know? Have you not heard? The Lord is the everlasting God, the Creator of the ends of the earth. He will not grow tired or weary, and his understanding no one can fathom." Isaiah 40:28<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

My post's are my asumptions only, and in no way linked to fact. I am not an official 1C, Ubi, or Russian Red Rocket spokesman.

"Most P-39's were sent to the Russians - so I guess that was an American secret weapon against our Russian allies."

Stan Wood, P-38 pilot who also flew the P-39.

KIMURA
05-07-2004, 02:04 PM
The difference was, Gibbage, the Germans sunk ships with them. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

USS Savannah was hit and damaged by a Fritz X in 1943 off Salerno.


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[This message was edited by KIMURA on Fri May 07 2004 at 01:12 PM.]

necrobaron
05-07-2004, 02:14 PM
Didn't a Bat sink a Japanese ship during operational testing towards the end of the war?

"Not all who wander are lost."

KIMURA
05-07-2004, 02:28 PM
http://www.chandelle-jah.com/articles/bat.html

Kimura

Fliger747
05-07-2004, 02:30 PM
The "Planes of Fame" museum located in Valle, Az has a "Bat" on display, painted in high visibility yellow. The acompanying information indicated sucessfull use against several smaller (all that was left) ships towards the end of the war.

NegativeGee
05-07-2004, 02:31 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by KIMURA:
The difference was, Gibbage, the Germans sunk ships with them. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
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Remarkable photo there!

The Italian BB Roma was another high profile kill for the Fritz X system.

http://www.regiamarina.net/others/roma/images/roma2.jpg

More at:

http://www.regiamarina.net/others/roma/roma_us.htm

"As weaponry, both were good, but in far different ways from each other. In a nutshell, I describe it this way: if the FW 190 was a sabre, the 109 was a florett, or foil, like that used in the precision art of fencing." - Gunther Rall

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Look Noobie, we already told you, we don't have the Patch!

Gibbage1
05-07-2004, 03:07 PM
The differece was, KIRMA, the Bat was SELF GUIDED or "smart". The Fritz X was guided by radio. And yes, the US got kills.

BTW. US also had radio guided bombs we used with great success against ships and bridges. Fritz X was nothing new.

In April 1942, the USAAF's Materiel Command (became part of ATSC (Air Technical Service Command) in 1944) began the development of the Azon family of guided bombs. The initial variant, designated VB-1, was based on a 450 kg (1000 lb) bomb (initially the M44, but later models apparently switched to the standard AN-M65), which was modified with a new tail unit. The latter consisted of a gyroscopic unit to provent the bomb from rolling, a flare for optical tracking, an octagonal shroud with control surfaces, and a radio-command receiver. When a VB-1 was dropped, the bombardier could track it through his bombsight and use a joystick-type control to send corrective commands to the bomb. The Azon guidance system allowed only lateral course corrections, but errors in range could not be corrected (hence the name Azon = "Azimuth Only").

The Azon development phase ended in late 1943, and the VB-1 was subsequently ordered into mass production. The second Azon variant was the heavier VB-2, which was based on a 900 kg (2000 lb) bomb, but that version was apparently not produced in very large numbers. The first VB-1/2 bombs were sent to Europe in February 1944, and a total of 15000 Azons were produced until November 1944.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by KIMURA:
The difference was, Gibbage, the Germans sunk ships with them. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

USS Savannah was hit and damaged by a Fritz X in 1943 off Salerno.


[This message was edited by KIMURA on Fri May 07 2004 at 01:12 PM.]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

My post's are my asumptions only, and in no way linked to fact. I am not an official 1C, Ubi, or Russian Red Rocket spokesman.

"Most P-39's were sent to the Russians - so I guess that was an American secret weapon against our Russian allies."

Stan Wood, P-38 pilot who also flew the P-39.

Gibbage1
05-07-2004, 03:11 PM
So did the US Bat. And it was autonomous.

Balikpapan, on 28 April, 3 of the 3 Bats launched hit targets, sinking a freighter and a picket boat and destroying a large oil storage facility ashore. These actions essentially eliminated the worthwhile shipping targets remaining in the theatre, and subsequent antishipping and antiradar missions relied on small bombs (100- to 250-lb) and turret-mounted .50-cal (12.7-mm) machine guns rather than the advanced missiles.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by KIMURA:
The difference was, Gibbage, the Germans sunk ships with them. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

USS Savannah was hit and damaged by a Fritz X in 1943 off Salerno.

[This message was edited by KIMURA on Fri May 07 2004 at 01:12 PM.]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

My post's are my asumptions only, and in no way linked to fact. I am not an official 1C, Ubi, or Russian Red Rocket spokesman.

"Most P-39's were sent to the Russians - so I guess that was an American secret weapon against our Russian allies."

Stan Wood, P-38 pilot who also flew the P-39.

KIMURA
05-07-2004, 03:23 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gibbage1:
The differece was, KIRMA, the Bat was SELF GUIDED or "smart". The Fritz X was guided by radio. And yes, the US got kills.

BTW. US also had radio guided bombs we used with great success against ships and bridges. Fritz X was nothing new.

In April 1942, the USAAF's Materiel Command (became part of ATSC (Air Technical Service Command) in 1944) began the development of the Azon family of guided bombs. The initial variant, designated VB-1, was based on a 450 kg (1000 lb) bomb (initially the M44, but later models apparently switched to the standard AN-M65), which was modified with a new tail unit. The latter consisted of a gyroscopic unit to provent the bomb from rolling, a flare for optical tracking, an octagonal shroud with control surfaces, and a radio-command receiver. When a VB-1 was dropped, the bombardier could track it through his bombsight and use a joystick-type control to send corrective commands to the bomb. The Azon guidance system allowed only lateral course corrections, but errors in range could not be corrected (hence the name Azon = "Azimuth Only").

The Azon development phase ended in late 1943, and the VB-1 was subsequently ordered into mass production. The second Azon variant was the heavier VB-2, which was based on a 900 kg (2000 lb) bomb, but that version was apparently not produced in very large numbers. The first VB-1/2 bombs were sent to Europe in February 1944, and a total of 15000 Azons were produced until November 1944.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by KIMURA:
The difference was, Gibbage, the Germans sunk ships with them. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

USS Savannah was hit and damaged by a Fritz X in 1943 off Salerno.


[This message was edited by KIMURA on Fri May 07 2004 at 01:12 PM.]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

My post's are my asumptions only, and in no way linked to fact. I am not an official 1C, Ubi, or Russian Red Rocket spokesman.

"Most P-39's were sent to the Russians - so I guess that was an American secret weapon against our Russian allies."

Stan Wood, P-38 pilot who also flew the P-39.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>



The Bat got no kills, Gib, especailly no armoured targets as Savannah and Roma were. And the Fritz X was put into a little bit earlier than Bat.

Kimura

Gibbage1
05-07-2004, 03:55 PM
Read my 2nd post. Its a quote FROM THE SAME WEB PAGE YOU POSTED about the Bat. Did you not read your own sources? Lol.

My post's are my asumptions only, and in no way linked to fact. I am not an official 1C, Ubi, or Russian Red Rocket spokesman.

"Most P-39's were sent to the Russians - so I guess that was an American secret weapon against our Russian allies."

Stan Wood, P-38 pilot who also flew the P-39.

[This message was edited by Gibbage1 on Fri May 07 2004 at 03:35 PM.]

SkyChimp
05-07-2004, 04:16 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by KIMURA:

The Bat got no kills, Gib, especailly no armoured targets as Savannah and Roma were. And the Fritz X was put into a little bit earlier than Bat.

Kimura
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's incorrect, Kimura. Even the link you provided states it got kills.

And like it or not, the Bat was a true fire and forget weapon that sought out its own target. No one else had anything like it.

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Gibbage1
05-07-2004, 06:19 PM
SkyChimp. I think I found the source of Kirma's confusion. He is reading from the book "How the Germans won the war". In that book, it states that the Bat was just propaganda to boost moral of a loosing nation. But even that failed since someone was told the Bat project was a secret, so the propaganda was never released. The bat was no more then a wooden mockup flown by remote controle scale models (since apperantly we lost all our real aircraft over Germany).

There is an interesting note inside the book cover. It says "Dedicated to my true friend and partner Issy" and the author signed with just "HBFW". I wonder what that means?

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SkyChimp:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by KIMURA:

The Bat got no kills, Gib, especailly no armoured targets as Savannah and Roma were. And the Fritz X was put into a little bit earlier than Bat.

Kimura
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That's incorrect, Kimura. Even the link you provided states it got kills.

And like it or not, the Bat was a true fire and forget weapon that sought out its own target. No one else had anything like it.

_Regards,_
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My post's are my asumptions only, and in no way linked to fact. I am not an official 1C, Ubi, or Russian Red Rocket spokesman.

"Most P-39's were sent to the Russians - so I guess that was an American secret weapon against our Russian allies."

Stan Wood, P-38 pilot who also flew the P-39.

SkyChimp
05-07-2004, 07:34 PM
Sorry Gib, but I've known Kimura for years. He's not German, IIRC he's Swiss. And he's always struck me as unusually unbiased. If he's ever wrong, it's undoubtedly an honest mistake. And you'll find he is a fantastic resource on the Pacific war.

Regards,
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pourshot
05-07-2004, 07:51 PM
I'am sure the USA also had TV guided glide bombs, I will have a look around for a sorce.

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pourshot
05-07-2004, 08:12 PM
This is a interesting bomb.

TDR attack drone (http://www.geocities.com/bobellis_dapm/tdr.htm)

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Gibbage1
05-07-2004, 08:15 PM
I know. But I was just making a joke http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif More aimed twards former members of this forum then the current ones. So far Kiruma has been nothing but good from what I have read. I hope he did not take offense to my poking.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SkyChimp:
Sorry Gib, but I've known Kimura for years. He's not German, IIRC he's Swiss. And he's always struck me as unusually unbiased. If he's ever wrong, it's undoubtedly an honest mistake. And you'll find he is a fantastic resource on the Pacific war.

_Regards,_
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My post's are my asumptions only, and in no way linked to fact. I am not an official 1C, Ubi, or Russian Red Rocket spokesman.

"Most P-39's were sent to the Russians - so I guess that was an American secret weapon against our Russian allies."

Stan Wood, P-38 pilot who also flew the P-39.

Gibbage1
05-07-2004, 08:22 PM
Yes. I watched a program on US guided weapons and the TDR-1 was one of them, along with the Azon, and Bat. Very advanced stuff. Just think of how touted the Preditor drone is today, and its roots extend all the way back to 1936! This was a Preditor drone in WWII! They also had remote controled B-17's that also used TV guidance.

BTW. Does anyone know the Fritz X hit-2-miss ratio? The Bat had an 80% hit ratio with favorable weather and targets. The Fritz X would need favorable weather and targets also.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by pourshot:
This is a interesting bomb.

http://www.geocities.com/bobellis_dapm/tdr.htm

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Ride It Like Ya Stole It<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

My post's are my asumptions only, and in no way linked to fact. I am not an official 1C, Ubi, or Russian Red Rocket spokesman.

"Most P-39's were sent to the Russians - so I guess that was an American secret weapon against our Russian allies."

Stan Wood, P-38 pilot who also flew the P-39.

SkyChimp
05-07-2004, 08:30 PM
They did have TV guided bombs. The US had all sorts of neat stuff noone ever hears about (always overshadowed by German gadgets) - including an air-to-air missle with radar seeker warhead and proximity fuse.

The VB-1 Azon bomb was a 1000lb bomb with a radio controlled tail unit.

The GB-1 was a 2000lb stand-off, self stabilizing glibe bomb used operationally against targets in Cologne.

The GB-4 was similar to the GB-1 with radio controlled flight surfaces and TV camera in the nose. The TV unit had a transmission range of 15 miles. It was used operationally.

The GB-8 was a GB-4 without the TV. Not used operationally.

The DISNEY rocket bomb was a submarine pen destroyer. Weighing 4,500lbs it had a rocket motor that ignited at 5,000 feet which propelled it straight down at 2,400 feet per second. It could penetrate 20 feet of reinforced concrete. It was used operationally by the 92nd, 305th and 306th Bomb Groups.

Here is some other neat US stuff noone ever heard of:

http://www.designation-systems.net/dusrm/app1/vb.html

http://www.designation-systems.net/dusrm/app1/gb.html

http://www.designation-systems.net/dusrm/app1/jb.html

In fact, just peruse some of the stuff the US had on the drawing board here:
http://www.designation-systems.net/dusrm/app1/index.html

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pourshot
05-07-2004, 08:46 PM
Cool links chimp thnx

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Gibbage1
05-07-2004, 10:25 PM
Lets not forget about the MAJOR advancement of VT fuse shells for anti-aircraft guns! The first use of VT fuse shells was against 2 betty bombers. 3 shells were fired, 2 betty bombers were shot down. US had some outstanding advances in weaponry, but those advances are always forgotten for lesser German counterparts. I myself think a self-guided bomb is much more advanced then the Fritz X, but all people talk about is the Fritz! We had out own version of the Fritz at the same time, but nobody talks about the Azon. I did not even know about the VT proxy fuse shell till recently, but EVERYONE knows about the unguided V1 buzz bomb. The VT fuse shells shot down up to 80% of the incomming buzz bombs in England once they were used!

My post's are my asumptions only, and in no way linked to fact. I am not an official 1C, Ubi, or Russian Red Rocket spokesman.

"Most P-39's were sent to the Russians - so I guess that was an American secret weapon against our Russian allies."

Stan Wood, P-38 pilot who also flew the P-39.

Ruy Horta
05-08-2004, 03:16 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gibbage1:
BTW. Does anyone know the Fritz X hit-2-miss ratio? The Bat had an 80% hit ratio with favorable weather and targets. The Fritz X would need favorable weather and targets also.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The Fritz X and Bat are not of the same generation, the former being operational by mid. '43, the latter two years later, with accelerated wartime development.

The operational envelope of the Fritz-X was far more restricted, not being a true glide bomb, but a guided bomb.

Since it was a practice to train with Bats on Icebergs, its 80% hit rate doesn't sound too far fetched, but it doesn't sound very impressive either. At least depending on the size of the ICEBERG!

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I don't have any figures ready at hand, but its doubtful that X-1 numbers will even approach 80%, they do include a sunken Battleship though - 1943.

Like Kimura said, an early and unmistakable success, as long as it was a surprise.

The Bat being autonomous was of course a superior system, but having read (online) that Navy patrol bombers often carried a backup dumb bomb load does not warrant the believe in a **wartime** rate of 80%.

Nice weapon to have non-the-less.

Guess that it will create room for other more deserving demands though.

Ironic to see such "nice" interest in the Bat and even Fritz X now when we are looking at PF, and so much aversion back when it was just Fritz X and Hs 293s for IL2/FB/AEP. Granted, without the proper carrier a/c its a mute point.

Talking of carrier a/c, wonder if we'll see Privateers?

Ruy Horta

SkyChimp
05-08-2004, 06:49 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by rhorta:

Since it was a practice to train with Bats on Icebergs, its 80% hit rate doesn't sound too far fetched, but it doesn't sound very impressive either. At least depending on the size of the ICEBERG!
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

A closer read is in order. Kimura's article doesn't say an 80% hit on icebergs.



<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
Ironic to see such "nice" interest in the Bat and even Fritz X now when we are looking at PF, and so much aversion back when it was just Fritz X and Hs 293s for IL2/FB/AEP. Granted, without the proper carrier a/c its a mute point.

Ruy Horta<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't remember anyone objecting to the Fritz when it was just FB. In fact, I don't remember anyone asking for it.

Regards,
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Ruy Horta
05-08-2004, 11:17 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SkyChimp:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by rhorta:

Since it was a practice to train with Bats on Icebergs, its 80% hit rate doesn't sound too far fetched, but it doesn't sound very impressive either. At least depending on the size of the ICEBERG!
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

A closer read is in order. Kimura's article doesn't say an 80% hit on icebergs.



<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
Ironic to see such "nice" interest in the Bat and even Fritz X now when we are looking at PF, and so much aversion back when it was just Fritz X and Hs 293s for IL2/FB/AEP. Granted, without the proper carrier a/c its a mute point.

Ruy Horta<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't remember anyone objecting to the Fritz when it was just FB. In fact, I don't remember anyone asking for it.

_Regards,_
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1. I didn't read that from Kimura's article, but on the NASM page. But I do admit (without agenda) that I assumed the 80% figure was a total for the weapon's system, as it was described as FINAL ratio. The system was used between 1945 and 1953. Also they did say that much of the training was done with icebergs, since I lack any detailed material on the Bat glide bomb I assumed this to be mainly post war.

Also I did read on that same NASM (?) that the USN PB's carried a single Bat and a regular bomb load as backup because of the lack of reliability. Many Bats were unreliable since their plywood wings had deformed.

This does not sound like an 80% success rate (many modern systems have lower rates) on a target that is trying to evade.

But if you want to nail me on this, yes Skychimp I am **ASSUMING** that 80% isn't the wartime hit ratio.

2. I mentioned guided bombs in the past, but I won't hold it against you if you haven''t read all my posts. OTOH, during IL2 I strongly believed in the Eastern Front concept, so I thought it out of place then, but I have certainly mentioned it at later development.

Must have been at the time of German bomber discussions, but what does it matter.

I'd welcome the Bat in PF, but behind a very long line of more deserving items.

The problem with German guided weapons is that we lack the carrier a/c, so its a mute point.

Time to start planning on that flyable Privateer SkyChimp, else you'll have another mute point here.

Ruy Horta

Ruy Horta
05-08-2004, 11:28 AM
Let me add something, before this becomes a mudslinging fest.

First the ASM-N-2 BAT Glide Bomb appears to have been a really great weapon's system for its time, the only autonomous weapon of its kind to real significant production. If the war had lasted longer it could have been as impressive against shipping as the homing torpedo was against U-boots, or proximity fuses against aircraft.

OTOH, I think its wrong to take that 80% at face value.

Why?

Look at more modern systems, Korean era, Viet-Nam etc, few to reach an 80% ratio against evading targets in combat situations, hence I have my doubts if that number applies to a first generation autonomous weapon.

BTW...the reliability issue I didn't find on the NASM page, but somewhere else based on ASM-N-2 search on Google.

But amazing for its time, certainly.

Ruy Horta

arcadeace
05-08-2004, 11:29 AM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif I enjoyed the thread for a while. I'm still glad you posted it Chimp.

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Ruy Horta
05-08-2004, 11:45 AM
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arcadeace
05-08-2004, 11:51 AM
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SkyChimp
05-08-2004, 01:56 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by rhorta:

Time to start planning on that flyable Privateer SkyChimp, else you'll have another mute point here.

Ruy Horta<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

There you go assuming again. I posted this as an interesting read. Nowhere did I state PF should have the Privateer or this weapon.

You're on a roll today.

Regards,
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Ruy Horta
05-08-2004, 02:11 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SkyChimp:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by rhorta:

Time to start planning on that flyable Privateer SkyChimp, else you'll have another mute point here.

Ruy Horta<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

There you go assuming again. I posted this as an interesting read. Nowhere did I state PF should have the Privateer or this weapon.

You're on a roll today.

_Regards,_
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I'm glad I could be of service to you, otoh it would be nice to find how effective the system actually was now that we have reached this point. Units expended, targets hit and sunk during its wartime career. Hopefully someone can provide the data.

Enjoying those NAN issues a lot though, happy with the link you provided.

Sincerely your's,

Ruy Horta

SkyChimp
05-08-2004, 02:17 PM
Kimura's link provides a good idea as to what was sunk with the Bat. Having gone into service in April '45, there wasn't a lot of opportunity for it.

Regards,
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Ruy Horta
05-12-2004, 08:50 AM
Just saw some excellent footage of an Azon strike on a bridge in Burma, looked bloody effective (no jamming).

I'd love to see the Azon implemented in PF, carried by B-24s.

Ruy Horta