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SkyChimp
05-14-2004, 07:22 PM
http://www.il2sturmovik.com/forgotten_battles/devupdate/140504/carrier_action%20_9.jpg

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SkyChimp
05-14-2004, 07:22 PM
http://www.il2sturmovik.com/forgotten_battles/devupdate/140504/carrier_action%20_9.jpg

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olaleier
05-14-2004, 07:41 PM
Yup, they look good.

Had a hard time looking away from that skin though. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

And I assume there's still 5 empty casings for every bullet fired. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

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heywooood
05-14-2004, 07:43 PM
Agreed on the skin! Nice sunfade effect! Hellcat is 2nd only to the Corsair in my mind...as far as US PTO goes anyway.

Box-weasel
05-14-2004, 09:08 PM
STILL, way overdone http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/smileys-gun2.gif ,and no gunsmoke.
The plane does look nice though.

RAC_Pips
05-14-2004, 09:20 PM
Luv the plane. HATE the gun flash.

NegativeGee
05-14-2004, 11:14 PM
They look good in that shot, but are they actually redone?

"As weaponry, both were good, but in far different ways from each other. In a nutshell, I describe it this way: if the FW 190 was a sabre, the 109 was a florett, or foil, like that used in the precision art of fencing." - Gunther Rall

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fordfan25
05-14-2004, 11:18 PM
looks like thay been toned down a bit. any little bit will help

heywooood
05-14-2004, 11:20 PM
Neg-G
I have the same thought - but I didn't want to spoil the moment.

Which is all this image may be ... a still shot of a moment before or after the peak muzzle flash. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

fordfan25
05-14-2004, 11:24 PM
true http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

biggs222
05-14-2004, 11:29 PM
heywood thats what im thinking....next frame the flash will be like twice as long. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

WUAF_Badsight
05-15-2004, 01:32 AM
this is the 6 .50cal flash of the P-40 in AEP


http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/364/flashP-40v2.jpg

biggs222
05-15-2004, 02:38 AM
ok well the flash shape is different, thats for sure....actually it looks more like the flash that the Gladiator has in AEP right now, take a look for urself, they are smaller and more transparent.

NegativeGee
05-15-2004, 03:42 AM
I know heywooood, I hate to poop a party, but I always got the impression that the suggestion to do any work on muzzle flashes had been filed in the "bar" cabinet http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif

Still, you never know!

*cough*Luthier*cough*

"As weaponry, both were good, but in far different ways from each other. In a nutshell, I describe it this way: if the FW 190 was a sabre, the 109 was a florett, or foil, like that used in the precision art of fencing." - Gunther Rall

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CHDT
05-15-2004, 03:50 AM
Muzzleflashes look very correct.....


http://gallery.cybertarp.com/albums/userpics/16105/p39-3.jpg


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CHDT
05-15-2004, 03:51 AM
Btw, and the gunsmoke behind the aircraft?

yerpalal
05-15-2004, 05:40 AM
Well, since the flashes are an animated event, a single screen shot cannot be taken as definitive. It may show the flash at half size or so, so in this case, the proof is in the pudding.

In other words, when we see the event in real life.

But what we are seeing sure looks good.

CHDT
05-15-2004, 05:48 AM
"But what we are seeing sure looks good."


It's perhaps pretty, "good", but not accurate for "50" caliber by day.

Why not an option for the muzzleflashes: an "eye-candy" one for those who like flamethrowers and cartoonish rendering; a "realistic" one for those interested in aviation http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Cheers,

CHDT
05-15-2004, 05:51 AM
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stansdds
05-15-2004, 06:32 AM
Need less flash and more smoke!

VW-IceFire
05-15-2004, 06:53 AM
In the day time...shouldn't you really only be able to see the muzzle flash if you are looking towards (and "down") the barrel?

I agree...more smoke less flash. But as they said...its alot to change the current aircraft. So this is something we must demand for BoB and not PF specifically.

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KIMURA
05-15-2004, 08:06 AM
Firing guns looked way better in CFS 2, and alot more real than with FB/AEP.

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[This message was edited by KIMURA on Sat May 15 2004 at 07:15 AM.]

Arm_slinger
05-15-2004, 08:44 AM
That is very true, CFS2 gunnery affects are alot nicer. I can live with it though in FB

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PraetorHonoris
05-15-2004, 08:46 AM
A new hope... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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CHDT
05-15-2004, 10:55 AM
The CFS2 screeshot looks perfect about the gunnery!

I would like to see that in PF.

I cannot imagine why it's so hard to change the opacity of an effect?!?

Rudee37
05-15-2004, 11:36 AM
I want to Knight the persons responsible for those beautiful 3D models. Incredible eye to detail.

heywooood
05-15-2004, 11:49 AM
Neg-G -

You are a humorous fellow http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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necrobaron
05-15-2004, 12:48 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by stansdds:
Need less flash and more smoke!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think we need some more cow bell. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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KIMURA
05-15-2004, 01:25 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by necrobaron:
I think we need some more cow bell. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

[QUOTE]

Here's one more......pallimpallim http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Kimura

VF-2_John_Banks
05-15-2004, 01:41 PM
It can't be that hard to add the gun smoke to the planes, can it? I mean, it is pretty obvious that Oleg and Co. simply forgot an important feature about the guns in general..they smoke quite a bit and there is alot of WW2 color footage, where US planes are firing, while they rae have large trail of gun smoke behind them. Why do they leave such stuff out?

CHDT
05-15-2004, 03:11 PM
Btw, about muzzleflashes, no need to make extensive researches, just watch an episod of "Black Sheep" tv show, with always the same close view of the Corsair wing when firing: no godzilla flames! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

VF-2_John_Banks
05-15-2004, 03:49 PM
I would like to do that, but there is no way i can watch that here in Europe. They haven't been putting it on air since 1992 here in Germany. Are these episodes available on the net, so that you can order them?

DuxCorvan
05-15-2004, 04:23 PM
Gunfire looked a lot better in CFS2 and WW2 Fighters...

Man, I cannot look those muzzle flashes, I HATE THEM. They make the glorious models in FB/AEP look like a Playmate with a big red nose.

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Arm_slinger
05-15-2004, 04:48 PM
Think about it. Your travelling at 350 mph, you aint going to see hardly any flash if at all due to the airspeed

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necrobaron
05-15-2004, 05:03 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by KIMURA:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by necrobaron:
I think we need some more cow bell. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

[QUOTE]

Here's one more......pallimpallim http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Kimura<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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|CoB|_Spectre
05-16-2004, 06:13 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DuxCorvan:
Man, I cannot look those muzzle flashes, I HATE THEM. They make the glorious models in FB/AEP look like a Playmate with a big red nose.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif &lt;--The emoticon says it all...good one! Btw, does this Playmate have orange hair and big yellow shoes about 2 feet long?

Dash_C.
05-16-2004, 08:47 AM
At the moment muzzle flashes have not been changed. Take about 5 screens of FB planes shooting and at least one will have the same effect.

jtasker
05-16-2004, 08:28 PM
The problem with the muzzle flashes is always going to be the difference between what the human eye actually see's, and the photographic stop action of a shutter or low FPS video. And combind that with the forward speed of the planes and it makes a BIG difference.. Those CFS2 shots are very VERY close to reaity.. if the smoke stream was strobed instead of a long smoke plume.. it would be almost perfect

The severe speed of a muzzle flash can't be represented properly unless you're closer to 600 fps rather than 60. You end up with a solid object of light, rather than a strobed effect of an almost invisible flash..

The current muzzle flashes in FB aren't a very good attempt, but the PF shots shown so far at least look like Oleg and the boys are trying.. But they still seem to be hung up on large flash effects for some reason. Some of the limitations they cannot control.. hardware limits and refresh rates are beyond their direct influence.

Ruy Horta
05-17-2004, 11:02 PM
Reasons they retain their effect as is:

1. Part of customer base loves "BIG EFFECTS"

2. Because the IL2 dev. team once saw a famous piece of IL-2 footage where half the sky seems to be on fire as they strafe a ground target. They saw it - so it stays.

Problem is that those who whine are considered to be a minority and even a minority that is mistaken in their perception.

Helas, I might add - we are stuck with Star Wars gunnery effects.

Ruy Horta

heywooood
05-18-2004, 12:08 AM
personally - I LIKE the fuzzle mashes.

In fact - I'll be pessed if they are changed. yeah - you heard me... pessed.

Star Wars gunnery? says you. How did that USAAC song go?.." down we come, Whipping our FLAME from under - off with one, terrible roar"

Flame - not 'smoke' http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif case closed

yerpalal
05-18-2004, 07:03 AM
The first time I fired a hub mounted 108 I thought the nose of my Messerschmitt had exploded.

They are way overdone and I am sure 1C and UBI would not lose a single, solitary buyer of this sim if they were corrected.

Please, guys, do this thing for us.

Obi_Kwiet
05-18-2004, 08:49 AM
I invited a guy who loves big effects over and he didn't like them. I mean who would? They make you miss because you can't see, and it get realy laggy every time your fire, so you miss. You can just tell it's unrealistic.

EmbarkChief
05-18-2004, 10:43 AM
The smoke trails in the CFS2 screenshot was an effect added by a 3rd party (Nibbo) the game did not come that way out of the box.

Ruy Horta
05-23-2004, 04:49 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by heywooood:
personally - I LIKE the fuzzle mashes.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

In a P-40/47/51 the effects aren't too bad, but in a/c like the Bf 109 and Me 262 they are simply handicapping, since you are not even able to see anything while firing. Whereas you can adjust your fire flying a Spit or Hurri, you cannot do the same in the 109. Once pressing the tit, its blind firing.

If this would happen under night time conditions fine, but under day light conditions it is simply ridiculous.

FLAME closed

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Ruy Horta

Tater-SW-
05-23-2004, 09:11 AM
Yeah, the flashes are way overdone.

It's interesting, I shoot my .303 SMLE in broad daylight, I don't see a flash. Shoot my mauser 98k, no big flash. Shoot any of my buddy's mosin-nagant (Russian) rifles---HUGE muzzle flash in the bright New Mexico sunlight. Hmmm.

Think it might have to do with what weapons the devs have shot?

tater

fordfan25
05-23-2004, 12:30 PM
iv shot guns all my life. in plain day light you can not see any flashes from a fireing point if your being shot at well you can see a small flash "of course that may have been my life i saw flashing by" but as the sun starts to go down and things get darker thay will light up.a 357mag will look like a giant fire ball in your hand lol

ucanfly
05-23-2004, 01:09 PM
I agree the muzzle flashes in game are cartoonish and also a handicap. Oleg wanted it so thats what we have to live with. It's a shame, since it makes it feel silly when I am in a 262 or other heavily armed German plane and I am aiming at an ACE AI knowing it will maneuver wildly at the instant I press the trigger and I will not see his maneuver.

BTW you can see a muzzle flash in a 300 mag rifle (in daylight) from the side but is almost indistinguishable when you are firing.

DuxCorvan
05-24-2004, 09:31 AM
I hate to say this but...

muzzle flashes in BF1942 look way better... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_redface.gif

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LilHorse
05-24-2004, 02:30 PM
I don't see why this would be so hard to get rid of. Wouldn't it be easier to not render the flash or only have it rendered when the light conditions warrent it? Less code to have to crunch. I say bag the flashes and add smoke in daytime. The more realistic the better.

GT182
05-24-2004, 06:58 PM
Hmmmmm, maybe the "Dev Team" could get Nibbo model the muzzle flash and smoke for PF.

How about it Luthier? All you have to do is ask him.

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