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SeaFireLIV
02-29-2004, 08:11 AM
Ar 234. The world`s first Jet bomber. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif
First used in 20th July 1944 on a recon mission to determine allied strength after D-Day. For the rest of the war it flew with impunity over Britain and the Continent, photgraphing Allied positions, yielding excellent intelligence!

First bombing was in February 1945. Several four engine prototypes were also built (the original had 2).

I`m, waiting to hear that the LW had secret UFOs next! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

SeaFireLIV...

http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/SeaFireLIV/P47duck.jpg
Oh how they laffed....

[This message was edited by SeaFireLIV on Sun February 29 2004 at 09:26 AM.]

SeaFireLIV
02-29-2004, 08:11 AM
Ar 234. The world`s first Jet bomber. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif
First used in 20th July 1944 on a recon mission to determine allied strength after D-Day. For the rest of the war it flew with impunity over Britain and the Continent, photgraphing Allied positions, yielding excellent intelligence!

First bombing was in February 1945. Several four engine prototypes were also built (the original had 2).

I`m, waiting to hear that the LW had secret UFOs next! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

SeaFireLIV...

http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/SeaFireLIV/P47duck.jpg
Oh how they laffed....

[This message was edited by SeaFireLIV on Sun February 29 2004 at 09:26 AM.]

Platypus_1.JaVA
02-29-2004, 08:12 AM
They had plans for flying disks. But, towards the end of the war, they had alot of plans and sketches anyways.

1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge,
ye shall be judged: and with what
measure ye mete, it shall be measured
to you again.

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Franzen
02-29-2004, 08:18 AM
There are no secrets in FB http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Fritz http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

VW-IceFire
02-29-2004, 08:24 AM
Yeah...Arado 234 would be a fun thing to have...

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SUPERAEREO
02-29-2004, 08:39 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SeaFireLIV:
I`m, waiting to hear that the LW had secret UFOs next! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

SeaFireLIV...

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OF COURSE THEY HAD UFO's!!!

Just type "German UFO's" in Google or Yahoo and see what kind of stuff comes up:

http://www.karenlyster.com/german.html

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S!

SUPERAEREO
02-29-2004, 08:45 AM
Or, more seriously, visit http://www.luft46.com/ for info on German secret projects.

S!

Fillmore
02-29-2004, 09:22 AM
I don't recall it was used very much for bombing (though it was used), more for recon. Early versions just had landing skids if I rememebr correctly. Kinda like the Mosquito I guess, technically a bomber but used alot for recon.

Gershy
02-29-2004, 10:08 AM
http://www.luftwaffepics.com/lar2341.htm


The bridge at Remagen was destroyed by Ar234s.

Found some interesting stuff here on Ar234 and Ju287(very interesting design!):
http://www.faqs.org/docs/air/avar234.html

MandMs
02-29-2004, 10:19 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gershy:
http://www.luftwaffepics.com/lar2341.htm


The bridge at Remagen was destroyed by Ar234s.

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The weakened Ludendorff bridge finally collapsed from all the heavy traffic crossing. KG76 had no success. Four Ar234s were lost to a/c, one to a rookie USAAF pilot on his one and only mission. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif



I eat the red ones last.

FW190fan
02-29-2004, 10:23 AM
Hmmm... I see MiloMorai is still hanging around even though he has been banned from this forum http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

http://people.aero.und.edu/~choma/lrg0645.jpg

Fillmore
02-29-2004, 10:31 AM
Ya, the Arados missed the bridge. Been awhile since I saw that but there is video footage showing it.

SeaFireLIV
02-29-2004, 10:34 AM
really? Wish I could see that footage. i`ll look around.

FW190fan
02-29-2004, 10:51 AM
Actually, the collapse of the Remagen bridge is attributed to German airstrikes - albeit too late to matter.

It is impressive that they were able to take it out despite huge allied numerical superiority in the air however. (Not to mention AAA)

http://people.aero.und.edu/~choma/lrg0645.jpg

fiesetrix
02-29-2004, 11:12 AM
The AR234 was the SR-71 Blackbird of WWII. There is a fully restaurated AR234 at the NASM in Washington. Go here:
http://www.nasm.si.edu/research/aero/aircraft/ardrar2.htm

arcadeace
02-29-2004, 11:33 AM
"really? Wish I could see that footage. i`ll look around."

Get CFS3 and you'll be able to fly one. There's a great mission to save the bridge at Remagen too! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/ah_222_1073167658.jpg

robban75
02-29-2004, 11:39 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FW190fan:
Hmmm... I see MiloMorai is still hanging around even though he has been banned from this forum http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Milo's been banned? What for? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

http://members.chello.se/unni/D-9.JPG

When it comes to aircombat, I'd rather be lucky than good any day!

MandMs
02-29-2004, 11:46 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FW190fan:
Actually, the collapse of the Remagen bridge is attributed to German airstrikes - albeit too late to matter.

It is impressive that they were able to take it out despite huge allied numerical superiority in the air however. (Not to mention AAA)

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http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif What else would one expect to see from you.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

The bridge was damaged in the botched demolishing and previous Allied bomb attacks. LW bombs did sweet **** all.

"When WW-II started nobody would have guessed that this bridge would gain the importance that it did. On September 4, 1944, allied forces started to bomb all Rhine bridges in order to interrupt the connection of the German forces to the western front. Even the Ludendorff Bridge wasn't spared. During a raid of 33 bombers on October 9, 1944, it was damaged and erroneously reported as destroyed. Regular railroad and pedestrian traffic resumed on November 9, 1944. During a raid on December 29, 1944, four more bombs damaged the bridge again. More raids were flown during January and February of 1945. Every time the bridge could be repaired and used again. All these air raid were devastating for the little village Erpel. During the raids Erpel residents sought shelter against the daily raids in the railroad tunnel and an old gallery, then known as the "Dwarfs Hole", now known as "Mariengrotte".

In the first days of March 1945 the bridge was being equipped with planks just like in WW-I. Preparations were taken to be able to destroy the bridge in case of an enemy attack. As a precautionary measure the charges were only to be deployed when the enemy was less than 8 km away. The bridge in Cologne-Mülheim was destroyed accidentally because a bomb hit had set off the charges. This should not happen a second time.

On March 7, 1945, the Ludendorff-Bridge got into the spotlight of world history. American troops were heading for Remagen and the order to destroy the bridge was given. Two attempts to destroy the bridge were unsuccessful. The first time the explosives did not detonate. The second time the bridge was lifted a bit, but fell back into its bearings. The following events took place in quick sequence: American troops crossed the bridge around 4 pm and established their first bridge-head in Erpel. This day is known as the "Wonder of Remagen" in the history books.

The Ludendorff-Bridge helped American troops with their offensive on the right side of the river Rhine until March 17, 1945. Around 3pm on that day a loud bang could be heard, followed by the thunder and rumbling of twisting iron. This happened so quickly that almost nobody was able to get away. 7 people died in the ice-cold water, 18 are still missing, and 66 were injured (of which 3 died later on). That day marked the end of the bridge, only 29 years after its construction."

http://www.herrlichkeit-erpel.de/Luden05.jpg
The damage from the unsuccessful blasting is visible on the right pillar. Also, some of the beams in the middle section have no more connection to the bridge floor.



Obw, Huck(Magister__Ludi), Ise and Nick(LuftKuhMist, Luftcaca) are still posting though they are banned. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif



I eat the red ones last.

FW190fan
02-29-2004, 12:07 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MandMs:
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif What else would one expect to see from you.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

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Yep, different name but same old Milo.

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Obw, Huck(Magister__Ludi), Ise and Nick(LuftKuhMist, Luftcaca) are still posting though they are banned. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif
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I guess misery loves company.



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Captain_Avatar
02-29-2004, 01:14 PM
Anyone remember the movie "Bridge at Remagen"? I think it was a late 60's or early 70's film. Much better then the 1977 film "A Bridge too Far".