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Alexander_Seil
07-19-2004, 08:15 PM
It seems that no matter what I try, the bombs just won't skip. That is, they skip the first time, skip a second time and then abruptly sink and explode. I'm not sure if it's the bombs I'm using, altitude (tried from about 10 to 80 meters) or speed (about 300km most of the time) or the plane (Cr42). They definitely don't skip anywhere as far as the one in the track provided with the game. Any suggestions?

Alexander_Seil
07-19-2004, 08:15 PM
It seems that no matter what I try, the bombs just won't skip. That is, they skip the first time, skip a second time and then abruptly sink and explode. I'm not sure if it's the bombs I'm using, altitude (tried from about 10 to 80 meters) or speed (about 300km most of the time) or the plane (Cr42). They definitely don't skip anywhere as far as the one in the track provided with the game. Any suggestions?

EmbarkChief
07-19-2004, 08:20 PM
Get more speed. The faster you go, the farther the bombs will skip. If I can help it, I don't skip bomb under 450kph.

Alexander_Seil
07-19-2004, 08:24 PM
Thanks for the tip. I suspected that could be an issue. What about bomb weight? I suppose 100kg ones don't skip as well as 50kg ones?

Hoarmurath
07-19-2004, 08:27 PM
The heavier the bombs, the farther they skip. Just remember that at same speed, heavier bombs retains much more energy...

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EmbarkChief
07-19-2004, 08:31 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Alexander_Seil:
Thanks for the tip. I suspected that could be an issue. What about bomb weight? I suppose 100kg ones don't skip as well as 50kg ones?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Don't know about the energy retention, may or may not be modelled. I always take the biggest bombs I can carry anyway... Who want's to make two passes on a ship? Not I!

Hoarmurath
07-19-2004, 08:38 PM
energy retention is modelled, i did many tests with bomb skipping, and observed that the heavier the bomb, the more skips it will do. Especially useful when you try to pass under a bridge you just skip bomb...

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Alexander_Seil
07-19-2004, 08:51 PM
Physics aren't my strong side http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Doesn't help my piloting skills any, as you can tell http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/351.gif

Zayets
07-20-2004, 01:03 AM
My question in regard with bomb skiping is what's the height of the bounce?I found myself 3 times that the bomb PASSED the ship.Was that German barge type, M boat whatever.Quite low profile , but it jumped over.3 times in a row! COuldn't believe it. Apparently hitboxes in IL2 are VERY ACCURATE!

Zayets out

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BS87
07-20-2004, 01:15 AM
The height of the bounce gets lower as it slows down, you can see it takes large skips at first, then it decreases, just like skipping stones in a pond. I learned very quickly in the P38 to skip bomb with the 500s/1000s at 450+kph, that way i can release far enough away to pull out in time. Always fun to see "Ship destroyed" then flipping forewards into the sea because you have no tail http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

MAsta_KFC
07-20-2004, 01:27 AM
From my skip-bombing tests, the lower the height and faster speed, the better chance of scoring kills. If you're brave enough 10-30m seems to be the best. Also, try to release the bomb so it's nearing the end of its skipping power ie as far as possible without it prematurely exploding. That way the bomb skims more than bounces and hit under the water line, causing more damage.

The best way to practice is to set up a FMB, stationary ship, start off about 2kaway, height about 3000m. When you see the ship 110% throttle plus any boost, just flip and vertical dive, then flip again at low altitude to run parallel to the water line. However, you might need to trim the plane quite a fair bit or the nose will keep going up annoyingly. You might also be pushing the structural limits of some craft. Keep on target, jink to avoid aAA, then when you feel the time is right, release then climb. The faster you are, the further you can release.

IMO the best skip-bombing craft has to be the Mustang, Jug or P-63. With 2 x 1000lb bombs you can take down almost any ship single handedly. For larger or tougher boats, like the Kirov or Marat you'll get better chance for success if you aim for the aft (sorry don't know proper nautical terms), although you might still get lucky midsection. The only ship you can't take down is the beast which is the Tirpitz. In that case, you're better off hitting the ship on the deck, so the AA guns don't tear you apart when you try to flee.

ash2life
07-20-2004, 01:27 AM
im doing thise skip bombing ( bouncebombing i call it) all the time to hit ships. like said it all depends on high speed and lowest altitude possible.
my best jump result was once 6 jumps of the bomb (SC500) with very high speed in a FW190. the distance gets closer from jump to jump. you can review those in a saved track and learn the behaviour. you only have to worry about the blast if you are too slow and get damaged or killed with the deadly bombs (=&lt;250kg)

VMF513_Sandman
07-20-2004, 06:09 AM
bomb weight does affect 'range'. to accurately skip bomb, u need to be 50 meters or under at high speed. at least 250 mph, but the more the better.
what i do is, i come in very fast and very low. throttles to the 'firewall', and when the bridge mast is gettin close to the top bar of my 38, i pickle and go pure verticle. bombs usually do 3-4 bounces and its bye bye ship. the lower u are without grabbin water, it seems the gunners have a harder time linin u up, but not always. u need to get in fast and haul azz just as fast. for torpedoes, just when i get 1 or 2 seconds into their gun range, i drop em and break hard right or left to get out of their range in a hurry. aim for the center and u'll nail em everytime. but dont get stupid and dip a wing into the drink before the fish get there or u wont sink the ship. it wont sink or take any damage if ur not either a: airborne, or b:landed in 1 piece. the bombs or torpedoes MUST HIT in order to damage or to sink them in that flight. if ur torpedoes do hit, but u got shot down before they got there, ur torpedoes just became a 'dud'. zero damage.

Zayets
07-20-2004, 06:18 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>IMO the best skip-bombing craft has to be the Mustang, Jug or P-63.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You obviously didn't try IAR-81c with a 250kg bomb.This plane is so small that jinking is barely needed.You can also try the Bf109G-14 with the same load.What is required is speed,this way is pretty hard for the AI to gain a lock on you.Smooth jinking and there you go.But you said P-63 is good,then what's wrong with the P-39?OK,P-40 is slow and P-38 is a big target,but I find P-39 on the same par with P-63.

Zayets out

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Willey
07-20-2004, 08:02 AM
After dropping the bomb, pull away to either side. This will keep you out of the blast. It's also possible to pull up a bit before dropping and throw the bomb farther. The bomb must be below 100m all the time, then it works.

VMF513_Sandman
07-21-2004, 06:13 AM
i havent checked with this latest patch yet, but in 2.01, the p-63's with the 3 fab bombs and zero delay in a dive bomb attack would sink a destroyer if they hit.
u could also do a side-slip: u dip 1 wing slightly and use full opposite rudder. what happens is, the plane drops alt like a brick, but appears to be coming straight...when it's actually slipping to the dipped wing. that might throw the gunners for a loop. that i havent tried yet. least the ai isnt smart enough to throw a few hundred cannon shells in the water in front of u to try to force u into a ghyser crash. they did that in rl.

MAsta_KFC
07-22-2004, 04:11 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Zayets:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>IMO the best skip-bombing craft has to be the Mustang, Jug or P-63.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You obviously didn't try IAR-81c with a 250kg bomb.This plane is so small that jinking is barely needed.You can also try the Bf109G-14 with the same load.What is required is speed,this way is pretty hard for the AI to gain a lock on you.Smooth jinking and there you go.But you said P-63 is good,then what's wrong with the P-39?OK,P-40 is slow and P-38 is a big target,but I find P-39 on the same par with P-63.

Zayets out

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You are right. I actually haven't tried most of the aircraft in Il2, since I'm a relative n00b. But I love the game... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif