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F19_Ob
05-14-2004, 09:04 AM
Another Bf109 vs P39 onlinetrack uploaded. ( for 10 days or so )

As with all of my tracks I suggest that U first watch them with "my" headmovements enabled so U see what I saw. Then watch from outside to get the big picture. The fluidity and progress of the fight is best seen from outsideview, but the cockpitview ofcourse gives my perspective and explains my actions.
U can learn a lot about tactics and gunnery from trackwatching alone but I usually add some written explanation about the sortie.
PLZ see all advice as suggestions, bcause there are sometimes multiple solutions to tactical problems. And if U can PLZ excuse my feeble attempts of joking and grammatics.( I'm a swede U know)
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The track is available here and is about 1.23mb
http://medlem.spray.se/obthenoob/bf109%20vs%20p39%20winter.ntrk



Bf109 vs P39 Winter (from GreaterGreen)


The track begins with me rolling and diving after my wingman (olli72 in Brown 7 ) (I fly as Black 20 ).
He was speeding down to catch 2 planes ahead of us. I thought it was a bad idea, they were to far away and we had dots behind us......but he was already going so I went too, but I felt uncomfortable and took an extra look behind. Da*n! Enemy behind ! I yelled. (a p51)
I turned as hard I could ( at 700km/h), still he was gaining on me fast. I increased the turn, throttled back and descended to make it harder for him to aim. I guessed he couldnt stay with me and altered direction ,turning back and saw my wingman dash by, after my attacker.
Suddenly another enemy dove in between us, but olli was already turning away before I called out.The enemy didnt follow and went vertical. I fired some shots from distance ( apparantly hitting) and he evaded, now trailing fluids.
Olli72 reports he's right behind me. "Lets take him".
I dive down to increase my speed and to position myself below his tail. To be able to spot me the p51 must maneuver. I close in (throttle back) and fire at minimum range, seeing his propeller stop.( thats it) While I climb away I look back...only to see another enemy firing wildly on my wingmate , clipping his wing . (a p39 ) It was too late for warnings.
"Aahh!!! I'm hit!!...followed by untranslatable swearing.....bailing out".

I cursed too...."oh that bad, bad murderer" (no offence ment ). http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif I wasn't thinking at all, just concentrating on keeping the "murderer" in sight.
The P39 went up and into a loop, and I followed. He looped again I followed (still swearing ). And ofcourse I flipped on the top. (In an emergency U can loop once with a p39. Twice is suicide ). I thought to myself "oh my idiot", and turned my nose downward as fast as I could, in the last second, rolling on my way down, trying to find him.
I went for scissoring wich is the only sane tactic if u end up in a dogfight with a p39.
I was pulling hard and Checking my speed (250 km/h),trying to stay above that (plane shaking).
After a few turns the p39 finaly lagged outside, perhaps unwilling to sacrifice his energy?...I got an opportunity to fire, he rolled evasively ( ace trademark) ...down and up again...Firing....the p39 lost parts and was unable to pull out of his dive. Into the forrest he went. I myself barely clearing the treetops. Good fight! Quick look behind and heading for home.

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Back at base a big surprize awaited me. My wingman had survived ( a big hug and we shook hands). He was captured by two drunken soldiers, but managed to divert their attention by performing a humorous dance (he was once a student at the dancingacademy in berlin ). While the guards were laughing and singing along ,commenting eachothers highpitchvoices, olli grabed the opportunity and stole their tandembicycle and got away. How he made it to base befor me I'll never know.
He was later awarded the "muppetcross" for bravery and for "stealing" a vehicle in perfect condition from the enemy under difficult circumstances.
Its now undergoing comparisontests at GG's bicycle testfacility.

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Comment:

Sometimes it is very hard to force an enemy into "scissoring". When I try to start a scissor I am mostly on the defensive. I have found that after a vertical dive and roll I can start one by turning hard at the bottom of the dive and then in the other direction. (I have tried this several times on GG with good results , not always winning the battle though).
The P39 turns slightly better than the bf109 , but it is very difficult to alter directions fast in slow speeds. Even the experienced flips now and then.(Tip...view the scissoring from the p39's view on the track, from cockpit u dont realise how effective even small turns can be) In most cases a 109 cant catch a p39 turning in one direction only. ( it depends much on how the planes are positioned from start. In my opinion this decides the outcome of many engagements)

Although I won this battle and the one on the previous track, I must say that a 109 vs p39 battle can go either way. ( fly the p39 too ). Its not easy to fly slow and low with the 109 either below 250km/h. Both ac have their set of disadvantages and advantages.(very equal I think)


(Would be interesting with some comments on the scissoringpart)



Hope U enjoy it. Next set of tracks concentrates on use of clouds.


cheers

[This message was edited by ob_swe on Fri May 14 2004 at 08:13 AM.]

F19_Ob
05-14-2004, 09:04 AM
Another Bf109 vs P39 onlinetrack uploaded. ( for 10 days or so )

As with all of my tracks I suggest that U first watch them with "my" headmovements enabled so U see what I saw. Then watch from outside to get the big picture. The fluidity and progress of the fight is best seen from outsideview, but the cockpitview ofcourse gives my perspective and explains my actions.
U can learn a lot about tactics and gunnery from trackwatching alone but I usually add some written explanation about the sortie.
PLZ see all advice as suggestions, bcause there are sometimes multiple solutions to tactical problems. And if U can PLZ excuse my feeble attempts of joking and grammatics.( I'm a swede U know)
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The track is available here and is about 1.23mb
http://medlem.spray.se/obthenoob/bf109%20vs%20p39%20winter.ntrk



Bf109 vs P39 Winter (from GreaterGreen)


The track begins with me rolling and diving after my wingman (olli72 in Brown 7 ) (I fly as Black 20 ).
He was speeding down to catch 2 planes ahead of us. I thought it was a bad idea, they were to far away and we had dots behind us......but he was already going so I went too, but I felt uncomfortable and took an extra look behind. Da*n! Enemy behind ! I yelled. (a p51)
I turned as hard I could ( at 700km/h), still he was gaining on me fast. I increased the turn, throttled back and descended to make it harder for him to aim. I guessed he couldnt stay with me and altered direction ,turning back and saw my wingman dash by, after my attacker.
Suddenly another enemy dove in between us, but olli was already turning away before I called out.The enemy didnt follow and went vertical. I fired some shots from distance ( apparantly hitting) and he evaded, now trailing fluids.
Olli72 reports he's right behind me. "Lets take him".
I dive down to increase my speed and to position myself below his tail. To be able to spot me the p51 must maneuver. I close in (throttle back) and fire at minimum range, seeing his propeller stop.( thats it) While I climb away I look back...only to see another enemy firing wildly on my wingmate , clipping his wing . (a p39 ) It was too late for warnings.
"Aahh!!! I'm hit!!...followed by untranslatable swearing.....bailing out".

I cursed too...."oh that bad, bad murderer" (no offence ment ). http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif I wasn't thinking at all, just concentrating on keeping the "murderer" in sight.
The P39 went up and into a loop, and I followed. He looped again I followed (still swearing ). And ofcourse I flipped on the top. (In an emergency U can loop once with a p39. Twice is suicide ). I thought to myself "oh my idiot", and turned my nose downward as fast as I could, in the last second, rolling on my way down, trying to find him.
I went for scissoring wich is the only sane tactic if u end up in a dogfight with a p39.
I was pulling hard and Checking my speed (250 km/h),trying to stay above that (plane shaking).
After a few turns the p39 finaly lagged outside, perhaps unwilling to sacrifice his energy?...I got an opportunity to fire, he rolled evasively ( ace trademark) ...down and up again...Firing....the p39 lost parts and was unable to pull out of his dive. Into the forrest he went. I myself barely clearing the treetops. Good fight! Quick look behind and heading for home.

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Back at base a big surprize awaited me. My wingman had survived ( a big hug and we shook hands). He was captured by two drunken soldiers, but managed to divert their attention by performing a humorous dance (he was once a student at the dancingacademy in berlin ). While the guards were laughing and singing along ,commenting eachothers highpitchvoices, olli grabed the opportunity and stole their tandembicycle and got away. How he made it to base befor me I'll never know.
He was later awarded the "muppetcross" for bravery and for "stealing" a vehicle in perfect condition from the enemy under difficult circumstances.
Its now undergoing comparisontests at GG's bicycle testfacility.

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Comment:

Sometimes it is very hard to force an enemy into "scissoring". When I try to start a scissor I am mostly on the defensive. I have found that after a vertical dive and roll I can start one by turning hard at the bottom of the dive and then in the other direction. (I have tried this several times on GG with good results , not always winning the battle though).
The P39 turns slightly better than the bf109 , but it is very difficult to alter directions fast in slow speeds. Even the experienced flips now and then.(Tip...view the scissoring from the p39's view on the track, from cockpit u dont realise how effective even small turns can be) In most cases a 109 cant catch a p39 turning in one direction only. ( it depends much on how the planes are positioned from start. In my opinion this decides the outcome of many engagements)

Although I won this battle and the one on the previous track, I must say that a 109 vs p39 battle can go either way. ( fly the p39 too ). Its not easy to fly slow and low with the 109 either below 250km/h. Both ac have their set of disadvantages and advantages.(very equal I think)


(Would be interesting with some comments on the scissoringpart)



Hope U enjoy it. Next set of tracks concentrates on use of clouds.


cheers

[This message was edited by ob_swe on Fri May 14 2004 at 08:13 AM.]

jada002
05-14-2004, 09:58 AM
Thank you ob_swe, I always like to learn from the more experianced pilots, and these track files give me good indications on how to use a plane in the best way.

Liked the comments to, gives it more feel - kinda or perhaps its just me being a bit of a noob.

Lunix
05-14-2004, 03:25 PM
Phew at least it wasnt me getting it from ob the noob http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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F19_Ob
05-14-2004, 03:44 PM
Thank U jada002. Plz feedback if U get anything new out of it.

I myself got help the same way, watching and asking the more experienced ( saves time actually).

I mostly fly on GreaterGreenserver (down at moment ,waiting for dedicatedserver patch,in 2 weeks).
Like many other servers it has people from all over the world. There are many newcomers ( of different skills )The unexperienced get singled out very quickly and shot down, and they soon leave the server.(not too happy I'm sure ).
So some time ago I started to give some small tips to those who asked for hints, like watch it on take off, climb to 3000m, and dont use lights on landing, do combatlandings and have a lookaroundroutine and such. Some actually found it very helpful and I got the time .

So... my tracks show normal GreaterGreen situations and not special events to make me look good or anything like that.
I have also discussed with pilots of about similar skillevel and we all seem to agree on that we mess up badly quite often. Personally I was very glad to hear that http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

My own skill are in no way perfected and I look forward to all the new ideas I will have in the variated tactics field.

This is supposed to be fun U know http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

TooCooL34
05-14-2004, 03:53 PM
Why don't you buy a TrackIR? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

It would make you much better pilot in scissors. (and better looking ntrk.)

F19_Ob
05-14-2004, 04:12 PM
oh..hi there Lunix..hope all is well with U.

He he..... Actually we have met several times in engagements on GG but I mostly have escaped "U", hiding in clouds. Btw my next set of tracks are about the use of clouds in airbattle.

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If U by chance should find any tracks where u shoot me down or hit me, and have the time, plz consider notifying me in a private topic and I'll give u my e-mail so u can send it to me. (if u have time)

It would be really interesting to se it from someonelses perspective.

F19_Ob
05-14-2004, 04:21 PM
I would buy trackIR if I had the cash and the system for it. Im glad I have a comp at all, even if it is a crapy one.( I was a teacher U know = no cash)
My wife needs to go shoping now and then and my son needs toys...so I try to swear a lot and eat less........ http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/icon_twisted.gif

F19_Orheim
05-14-2004, 05:15 PM
ob_swe buddy.... then tell you wife to shop onehttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


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F19_Olli72
05-14-2004, 05:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by F19_Orheim:
ob_swe buddy.... then tell you wife to shop onehttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif


http://216.12.202.106/~f19vs/F19bannerA.jpg
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Tell her to get two while she's at it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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F19_Orheim
05-14-2004, 06:20 PM
CH rudders for me?


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TgD Thunderbolt56
05-14-2004, 06:28 PM
ob, start a Private topic and give me your email addy. If I pick up a new TIR3, I'll send you my TIR1.



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OldPepper
05-14-2004, 07:10 PM
I enjoyed your track. It's a tad bewildering how you can dive at the ground and look up-view for so long.

After viewing it, I reconfiged my controls for different hat-viewing from default.

The amount you need to lead a target was also interesting. You took a guys tailfin/rudder off with a spray and prey. Neat.

F19_Ob
05-15-2004, 03:00 AM
Thnx Orheim, Olli and Boltie for comforting me.

Boltie...U are spoiling me rotten http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
But really.....only a onlinetrack from U would be very appreciated.

I have unfortunatly lost (misplaced) a wonderful track where U get away from olli and me in your P39 (we in 109's). We used the tactic where one of us hangs on the foes tail and the other waits for the opportunity to attack from a favorable position. U were actually climbing in the dogfight and were able to get away into clouds after several minutes of fighting, no one got hit. We searched for u but couldnt find U again. That was some good flying.....hehe olli and I have a standard joke about those who get away or almost shot us down ..." It must have been Boltie" .

F19_Olli72
05-15-2004, 03:25 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by OldPepper:
After viewing it, I reconfiged my controls for different hat-viewing from default.
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I use essentially the same setup as Ob, it works very well.

P.S Ob stop showing only tracks where i get shot down, makes me look bad http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

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F19_Ob
05-15-2004, 03:57 AM
Thnx for viewing and commenting Oldpepper.

I have noticed too that I often watch in all kinds of directions but not the ground. I think I just have gotten used to maneuvering close to ground . I guess this comes with time.

Especially I try to go low in fights with p39's ( if I meet them low) bcause its much harder to recover from a flip in that ac and usually it needs a bit more hight to do it.
In most scissorlike fights I try to stay low if its possible, or I go up in one direction and down in the other, wich makes it harder to lead a shot at me.

In this particular scissor I wasn't so superactive but I stayed low on purpose because I estimated that my foe could lift his nose faster than I (more energy).
250km/h is very low but I've been down to 100 and below that on top of maneuvers many times to force an overshoot( work with flaps on and off). Sometimes when I dont have power enough to lift my nose effectively I swing the nose sideways with the rudder to draw the last bit of deflection.

In this latest track I was actually trying to lead more. Even if I,m normalgood at calculating deflection I still try to lead a bit more.
I have to be really warmed up to do well on deflectionshooting.
When I go this slow I'm almost always on the defensive......and in deep dodo if my opponent is equally good or better at slowspeedhandling. (but that is fun too)

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It would be great to hear how your new view configuration works when u have gotten used to it, and if it is an improvement or not.

F19_Ob
05-15-2004, 04:28 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Olli72:

P.S Ob stop showing only tracks where i get shot down, makes me look bad http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

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Sorry about that olli http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif I have searched through so many tracks and those were so good in the way that they show the maneuvers and tactics and headmovements I needed to show.
and I have also trouble finding battles that fit my "under 2mb limit". I also try to find typical battles, not extraordinary.

I have many tracks where "I" scr*w up badly..but I think the ones where I make mistakes and then try to correct them are more helpful.....I mean most of us already know the "screwup" situations and wants to know how to avoid or get out of them.

Btw Yesterday I found a track wich might be of interest to U. We both screw up initially (Bounced at 4000m) but manage to correct our faults and even get away with some kills each (ardennes map). I get one of my "silly" longdistance hits and U get one good inverted highangle deflectionkill.
Gk is on that track aswell.
I'll send it to U when Im finished with some trackwork.

Lunix
05-15-2004, 08:17 AM
Hi ob. I enjoyed watching your tracks and the commentary was excellent. If I recall correctly I think I have run away from you on a few occasions licking my wounds as well. Im a good enough pilot to know that when the advantage is not yours its time to escape.

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F19_Ob
05-16-2004, 01:25 PM
Thank you Lunix. I hope U and/or your squadmates and other old foxes out there share your opinions on the coming tracks and tactics.

Next I go Into the use of clouds in various situations and give some tips for hunting in and around them.

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Zentaurus
05-16-2004, 02:47 PM
Hi ob_swe,

watched your track, definitively impressive shooting, really great on which distances you actually hit something with the 30 mm, your leading is immaculate,

flyingwise i would say it was not faultless, would the P39 pilot been better he would have killed you, he had the advantages in his hand, especially his energy situation was much better then yours after the flip, he probably lost sight of you, so your defence was really good and your scissoring the right thing at the time, but if the P39 would have gone more up and used his E the situation would have been bad...probably i would not have scissored so flat but rather a bit more in the vertical, but well..its always easy said and hard to do it...

I appreciate your sharing, maybe we can have a bit of one on one in a few weeks when i return from my vacation..??

Yours,
II/JG54_Zent

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F19_Ob
05-16-2004, 04:36 PM
Thnx for watching and taking the time to give your view on this Zentaurus.

I have tried to work on the deflectionshootingpart and on all distances.

Some time ago I read about a Finnish Morane saulnier pilot who shot down a plane from 500m+ with 20mm(as he estimated it). Other Finnpilots in 109's also sometimes fired from "too" long distances and hit. Some German 110 pilots used to fire at bombers out of the bombergunners range and cause massive damage. So I thought ;why not try that.
I actually started trials at GG and and to my surprize I often scored hits. Soon I discovered a useful secondary effect of firing from those great distances. When the enemy saw my tracers they tried to evade (like the p51 in the track) when it got close, some paniked and did strange things....... so now I could position myself better and catch planes that before were out of reach.

Ofcourse I aim to hit from long ranges too, but I think the psychological effect is more valid reason to shoot. U cant stay sharp all the time and sometimes we just react on what the opponent do (without thinking). I have used this trick many times on climbing enemies out of reach, and U have to be really coolbrained(experienced) if u dont pay any attention when getting hit , or almost hit.

My flying is very uneven I must say. One day I fly to the absolute limit (I think http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif) and feel I can compete with the ones I consider very good. Other days I dont seem to be able to takeoff without faulting and have lost all situational awareness and miss easy shots and burn my engine.(this is how I'm gifted in life).

About the P39pilot in the track I want to say, he was "better" .I record most flights and he did well on others. I actually think he was good on this track too, but as U said, he probably lost sight of me or most certainly had difficulties in tracking me, when I was below him in the scissor. He could have extended in a high yoyo, but I have shot down extenders too. Yes he had the energy but he had to maneuver hard to spot me. I actually built my energy up by doing short turns only. and I know how much/hard I can pull lead above 300km/h without stalling.(I almost missed this time though) http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
But then..there is always variations...As German ace G√ľnther Rall once said about positioning in combat; " You dont always have the favor to choose your position. U are in, U have to see how U come out". (He knew)

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I have tried One on One combat with olli72 and I never liked it much. Axis against allied took too long time if u tried to use the correct tactic.
We flew with the same plane a few times to be as equal as possible, but I think olli was more equal than me because he shot me down all the time and made smilies and lollings.
I dont want to shot at the same ac as mine, exept when I fly quickcombat with wingmen, then I use to shoot them down after the mission, mostly for not following orders.
(sorry about that)

well anyway.....but why not come to GreaterGreen sometimes? (when its back up)I promise that u will have plenty of opportunities to airvent my plane, aswell as others.

again, thankU for commenting.

F19_Olli72
05-18-2004, 03:02 PM
A rather long track (made even longer cos Ob certainly took his time to get up) of a fight in the clouds on GG (109s vs La5). For once i stayed in the air longer than OB http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif Ill leave the comments for Ob since its more his domain, i just fly & shoot http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/93.gif (just hope the link works)
clouds.zip (http://olli.eokonline.com/clouds.zip)

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TgD Thunderbolt56
05-18-2004, 04:29 PM
It works http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Good to see some of the old names in action.

Soon



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F19_Ob
05-19-2004, 04:42 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Olli72:
A rather long track (made even longer cos Ob certainly took his time to get up) of a fight in the clouds on GG (109s vs La5). For once i stayed in the air longer than OB http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif Ill leave the comments for Ob since its more his domain, i just fly & shoot http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/93.gif (just hope the link works)
http://olli.eokonline.com/clouds.zip

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Thnx for your contribution olli http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif I really appreciate it because I know that U are pressed for time. (that's why I didnt ask U before ).


It is a long track so for new viewers I suggest that once the battle progresse into cloud to swith to the outsideview of the La5 with nr 77 on the fuselage. It belongs to Haukeye, a very good GG-flyer and a nice chap. From his view U easier understand and can follow the main course of the battle and how olli and I try to work as a team to find and track the enemy, who had the nerve to loiter over our airfield. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif Although the La5 cant see any icons over the enemyplanes and perhaps thinks its more than two enemies, the battle in the clouds still involves only 3 planes ( olli in Brown7 and me in Black 20 and Hauk in La5 nr77)

This track shows the typical problems of fights in clouds ,wich I will discuss more in detail and give tips in my coming post.

Ooh and U have the chance to see me mess up my landing in the middle of the fight too http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/icon_twisted.gif

TgD Thunderbolt56
05-19-2004, 06:44 AM
It was fun to watch the first time without using externals. I watched from Olli's pit and was wondering who that La pilot was. I wasn't surprised to see it was Hauk.

Olli needs TrackIR badly btw. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif



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F19_Olli72
05-19-2004, 06:54 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Thunderbolt56:
Olli needs TrackIR badly btw. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif
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http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif...... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif Funny thing really, now when i look at that track the switching of views kinda bugs me and its sort of irritating for the eyes. But while flying i have no problems using the hatswitch. Guess im used to it...

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F19_Ob
05-19-2004, 07:10 AM
Maybe someone who has TrackIr could post a track so we could see what it looks like?? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/icon_twisted.gif
I've read that its supposed to be smooth and that TrackIr owners are kind of happy (dancing on clouds) but I have actually never seen it in action......and would the TrackIr movement show up in a track on my computer?

Bucketrider
05-19-2004, 07:16 AM
check this track out for a demo on the TrackIR3:
http://www.kurita.sk/PRIVATE/webfiles/TIR2_track.zip
Ob-swe yours is a great track...great discussion. So many times watching your track, i was saying: "How'd he do that?!" I'm using your recording like a training film and a cinematic action sequence...
Great use of your snap views and SA on your part Ob...makes me think that getting a TrackIR (should arrive today...Hooray!) ain't gonna help me one bit. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-sad.gif
Thanks for sharing buddy! S~

how many more edits?

"...I wanted to meet interesting and stimulating people of an ancient culture, and kill them. I wanted to be the first kid on my block to get a confirmed kill." - Pvt. Joker, "Full-Metal Jacket"

F19_Ob
05-19-2004, 09:08 AM
Thank U Bucketrider.....for the track and the feedback. I,m really glad you found it useful.
Many hours went into searching for suitable tracks and to figure out how to make or edit them as short and informative and ofcourse as interesting(valid) as possible.

Hmm....I now understand why U "trackIr"fellows are so happy...this is amazing.