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Arm_slinger
01-22-2004, 09:00 AM
Look at these lovely hunnies i found over at netwings http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_redface.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Absolutely amazing work

http://www.netwings.org/dcforum/DCForumID43/718.html

Arm_slinger
01-22-2004, 09:00 AM
Look at these lovely hunnies i found over at netwings http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_redface.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Absolutely amazing work

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BaldieJr
01-22-2004, 09:03 AM
Excellent modelling.

The cool thing about the spitfire is that it can't possibly get any uglier. Maybe with phillis diller at the stick, but thats not likely to happen.

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nutt3r
01-22-2004, 09:06 AM
there beutiful http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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FW190fan
01-22-2004, 09:06 AM
IMO, a flyable Spitfire and a flyable Bf110 are the two most important planes coming up.

Now if we could just get a big map of the kanalfront I would be very, very happy http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

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Arm_slinger
01-22-2004, 09:09 AM
Baldie, everytime you say that you make me twitch through disbelief http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

All we need now is to get the low down on what is happening with them and the stage they are at

biggs222
01-22-2004, 09:28 AM
its a shme...this is Slavas old model..remember way back in the old il2center.com days?...well it loos liek its finally done...and it looks better then gibs....it has every possible mkIX combo and it even has slipper tanks and bombs.....even has the mmkXVI......seriously if u compair the two models (gib vs Slava) ull see that this one is more accurate looking.....but unfortunately its too late...gibs is in and thats the one thats goin in.....excellent modeling all for nothing...but damn it looks great

NegativeGee
01-22-2004, 09:29 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Arm_slinger:
Baldie, everytime you say that you make me twitch through disbelief http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

All we need now is to get the low down on what is happening with them and the stage they are at<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think he enjoys doing it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Arm_slinger
01-22-2004, 09:30 AM
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_redface.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif


cancel the add on!!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif re-do it put them beauties in

biggs222
01-22-2004, 09:40 AM
Slinger..my thoughts exactly...i want these instead!!!!!!.....OLEG THESE ARE TEH SPITS U WANT...NO CORRECTING REQUIRED HERE!!!

Huxley_S
01-22-2004, 09:43 AM
The Spitfire is pure sex with a propeller on... except for those clipped-wing versions.. what's that all about eh?

Arm_slinger
01-22-2004, 09:46 AM
More agility http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif, means it could roll faster, fly faster, turn better (i think) althoug it reduced the clime rate and ceiling slightly

US380thBG-Tug-
01-22-2004, 09:51 AM
Biggs, I'm sure you feel like you're just calling it like you see it. However, I found your remarks both here, and particularly at netwings, more than a little disrespectful to Gibbage. It may be true that the "early bird gets the worm", but the modelers are working under very strict constraints, the most notable of which is time. Perhaps the other models are more technically accurate, I dunno. But it's not so much that Gib's work is early. Rather, that it's both of high quality and on time.

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biggs222
01-22-2004, 09:58 AM
well tug i dont mean to be disrespectful to gib he spent his time on the spit and completed it rather quickly and i thank him for doing so, but it is apparent that the models differ in quality, and since the mkIX wil not be added on till after the expansion is released i think it is fair to bring gibs model under scrutiny.
i and im sure teh rest of teh comuntiy wil be happy with whatever we get, but as far as the models go i find that "nyme's" is a more accurate portrial of the spit mkIXc and mkIXe....i have nothing against gib, hell i tried helping him out while he was making his.....i just call it like i see it.

Arm_slinger
01-22-2004, 10:05 AM
I have to admit the cannon barrels look better ont he above spits and the overal finsish are nicer imo, but Gibs work is still amazing. I dont know now which spits i would prefer, we have the MarkVb which is beautifully done. Perhaps we could use nymes mark 9 as to take some pressure off of Gib?

Im not criticising Gib in the slightest as i am in no position to do so as i cant model at all. Looking forward to you Spit and P-38's a great deal http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

biggs222
01-22-2004, 10:13 AM
same with me slinger....its the little things that makes this spit better....gib shouldnt be upset at all by this critique. his mkVb and P38 are marvelous.....its just that this one is a better make to the real thing.
but maybe ill be eatign my words because the mkIX was delayed a bit because it needed some "corrections" so maybe Gibs spit will look fine for the patch afterall. we'll just have to wait for an offical update from the man himself

Arm_slinger
01-22-2004, 10:22 AM
yeah i have mentioned that also about waiting to see how Gib updates the Mk 9.

I cant remember gib Mk9 too well, has anyone got any pic they could put up here?

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biggs222
01-22-2004, 10:25 AM
heres gibs latest update on netwings
http://www.netwings.org/dcforum/DCForumID43/650.html

Erbriac
01-22-2004, 10:26 AM
Er...there's no question which Spits looks better and more real. The nyme's ones. But if Gib could have spent with his Spits the same amount of time like Slava and now Nyme, I am really sure his would look the same. But it were us who pressed on him, who wanted him to model the Spits and finish them to this first expansion pack. The real difference is between one month's work and one year's(?), not between skills of those 2 modellers. I know it's not possible but it would be great if both modeller's planes were present at some time in our beloved sim.

DONB3397
01-22-2004, 10:28 AM
If these are not for the Add-on, then they must be for BoB. Are these from 1C?

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Arm_slinger
01-22-2004, 10:30 AM
Gibs is amazing as well, i cant notice any difference on the model between the two artists work. To comement on the skin finish is unfair i feel as Gib has used some sort of lighting effect on it

Something in me still lfavours nymes though

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Vmax1968
01-22-2004, 10:32 AM
I would have to say Gibbs Spit looks just as good http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

biggs222
01-22-2004, 10:35 AM
yeah erbriac, its not a question of individual skill here....if anyone thinks thats what im talking about is completely wrong, im too am sure if gib was given more time hed be able to make it look more like Slava or Nyme(possibly the same person)...
Slava was the modelers name back in il2center.com and i have old pics of his spitmkIX and it looks exactly like the one we see today, only finished

trumper
01-22-2004, 10:36 AM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif My preciousssssssssssssssss,i loves my beautiful preciousssss,come to master my beautiful Spitfire http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif apologies to Gollum

WooHooToYou
01-22-2004, 10:39 AM
Gorgeous!!!!!

I want those planes in the game so much it hurts.

Can we delay the add-on to get then in?

PLEASE!!!!!!

269GA-Veltro
01-22-2004, 10:40 AM
My God.....

Fantastic birds....absolutely great!!!
But...they are for FB?

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Arm_slinger
01-22-2004, 10:51 AM
These positve replies must say something 1C, go on put them in the add-on patch you know you want to, go on do it, just for us http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


Seriously though people if we keep going like this we may get lucky http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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MiloMorai
01-22-2004, 10:51 AM
Yes great lookin Spits. Veltro I feel for you because of the lack of 'flyable' Italian a/c.



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Gibbage1
01-22-2004, 11:52 AM
Let me first say this. Biggs22, shut up.

Let me contenue to say that my Spit IX is done and accepted by Oleg. I have had no prior knolege of this guys work at all. In the 4 months that I have been working on the Vb and IX series, posting pics, and accepting feedback, NOBODY has said they were also doing the IX. This sort of thing is why the forum was created. To make sure people dont work on the same project. I have been working very close with Oleg, and not even he knew about this guy.

I would also like to say yes, his model is very good. Outstanding work. But does it meep IL2's specifications? Thats the question. The polycount is questionable. In IL2 we have a limit of 3000 for fighters, and I was pressing 3200 on the Spit with Oleg's permission. I doubt he could get more detail in for less.

Also, gettign an aircraft to this level is only 1/4th the modeling process. There is still the very taxing job of DM, LOD and shadow model. Plus materials, cutting the aircraft up into peaces, and the naming convention that must be fallowed. Saying that a textured LOD_0 is 1/4 of the process is even generous. So this guy may have a LOT more time to invest in the Spit if it were to be accepted in IL2.

But like I said, my Spit is done. Oleg has accepted it. I suggested to the artist to A: Make a Seafire out of them, B: Make them for BOB, or C: Contenie with his XVI since I did not do a bubble top version. So far the artist has said nothing, and that makes the post questionable at best. Who knows what this is, but lets not jump too conclusions here.

Gib

boohaa
01-22-2004, 12:55 PM
I dont get it...yes the nose cone on Nyme is more round but thats where more polys come in.They look the same to me.Now with some side by side comparisons to a real Spit then i can see it being easier to judge.

Anyway,Gib has sent his off to oleg and thats that.This nyme guy doesnt even answer back....whats up with that....he probably has double the poly and none of the other stuff Gib mentioned.But its great work their Nyme so keep it up.

VW-IceFire
01-22-2004, 12:56 PM
I can't believe the controversy this has created. Gibbage requested, worked on, and FINISHED, two major Spitfire versions including wing types and armament options. That is VERY respectable work and more importantly it was done in a short period of time and submitted. Gibbage has quite a bit of experience submitting models for this game and we have him to thank for such beauties as the Spitfire, the P-38, the P-63, the P-80 and a whole host of other aircraft. Excellent quality, excellent workmanship, and excellent productivity.

Nobody should be questioning that at all...I hope they aren't.

This other guy we haven't heard from before and he's just sort of emerged onto the scene. I HOPE that he can take the models that he has done and modify them into other Spitfire versions. Provided that they fufill requirements there are plenty of non V, IX, XIV Spitfire's and having more options available to Spitfire pilots is great. The differences are generally somewhat minor (like between the various G-6's, G-10, G-14) but well worth it if the resources are already there.

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noshens
01-22-2004, 01:09 PM
Did Gibbage do Supermarine Spitfire Mk.IXE/XVIE (1945, clipped wing, bubbletop canopy) too?

TX-Zen
01-22-2004, 01:14 PM
I object to the manner in which Biggs seems to be slamming Gib for his work. Extremely rude in my opinion, even if it was not intentional it still comes across poorly not just in one post but in most of them.

A man works on a project under a deadline. He completes it on time and it looks great. He does that in part so that we can get the plane in the first place....and what does he get? Someone complaining that his work is somehow subpar and should be 'scrutinized'


These kinds of comments are the ugliest part of this game...some people never appreciate the work that others do and think it's their right to criticize and belittle anyone and anything they choose to.



Personally, I think an apology to Gib would be the proper thing to do at this point.

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blabla0001
01-22-2004, 01:26 PM
Fievel is already working on a MKXIV with bubble top.

Hammerd is doing the skinning for that bird.

WooHooToYou
01-22-2004, 01:28 PM
I'm sure something can be worked out.

Having two great modellers like gibbage AND nyme doing aircraft can only be a good thing.

MiloMorai
01-22-2004, 01:42 PM
Has nyme said his Spifire models were done for Il-2/FB? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Seems some are getting their knickers all in a knot over something that could be someone's 3D modelling exercise.



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Korolov
01-22-2004, 01:56 PM
Gee, you Spitfire people are a noisy bunch.

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Arm_slinger
01-22-2004, 02:01 PM
Ok then thats all sorted out http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif, very fair points mention Gib things i failed to pick up onmost of them

Nice to know whats happening now anyway http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

So i have P63, P38 and two glorious Spitfires to play with soon http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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carguy_
01-22-2004, 02:04 PM
Ahh,no plane is prettier than the Spit.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_redface.gif

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blabla0001
01-22-2004, 02:10 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Korolov:
Gee, you Spitfire people are a noisy bunch.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Gee, thanks for the generalization.

Afreaka
01-22-2004, 02:17 PM
A truely intimidating chunk of flying metal. Is anyone hoping for a delay? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

Korolov
01-22-2004, 02:19 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Cappadocian_317:
Gee, thanks for the generalization.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

And when we get the spitfire, this place is going to turn into hell I bet.

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carguy_
01-22-2004, 02:23 PM
Um,how did you enable the old forum smilie???

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blabla0001
01-22-2004, 02:31 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Korolov:
And when we get the spitfire, this place is going to turn into hell I bet.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Why is that?

reload2000
01-22-2004, 02:55 PM
WOW. Them are some nice Spitfire's. So let me get this straight. Both Gib and Nyme some how did the same model?

If Im correct then I'd hate for it to come down to this but im sure Oleg will have to just go for the model which is more accurate and basically just looks better than the others. This sucks. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

What a mess http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

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Huxley_S
01-22-2004, 02:59 PM
There's no doubt those Spitfire models are a labour of love...

reload2000
01-22-2004, 03:03 PM
Looking at them again, it does look like they were done with blood, sweat and elbow grease.

This really does suck. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

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Oso2323
01-22-2004, 03:17 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Provided that they fufill requirements there are plenty of non V, IX, XIV Spitfire's and having more options available to Spitfire pilots is great. The differences are generally somewhat minor (like between the various G-6's, G-10, G-14) but well worth it if the resources are already there.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I agree. The problem is that there were quite a few variations within the different marks. I think that if we wanted to seriously include the Spitfire, we'd need all of it's major varients & modifications (a la bf109). For my money, this would include:

Mk I & II (which would probably interfere with Oleg's BoB plans.)
Mk vb - we'll be getting Gib's great model!
Mk Vc - tropical with Vokes filter (and maybe
an Aboukir)
Mk VIII - with broad chord rudder
1942 Mk IX
1943 Mk IXb (aka LF IX - with std rudder and
large filter)
1943-44 Mk IXb/XVI (aka Gib's model)
1944 Mk IXe/XVI (aka Gib's model)
Mk XIV Std Canopy
Mk XIV bubble Canopy (aka the Fievel model)


There are other intersesting marks of course, (& seafires and PR varients), but IMHO these would form the basic "fighter set." For me it's more important to get the models that were actually used in quantity, rather than the "uber-variations."

Nvertheless, it sounds like this whole thing's a hoax anyway. But at least we still have Gib's great models to look forward to.

Gibbage1
01-22-2004, 03:22 PM
Just a note for everyone. The Spitfire pics that were posted on Netwings were a hoax. After a little bit of investigation, the guy posted Slava's work. Even a glance at the topic should of given us a clue. Anyways, its locked on Netwings and should die soon.

P.S. Biggs22 is no longer welcome on the Netwings IL2 Design and Development forum http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

reload2000
01-22-2004, 03:24 PM
Hmmm...Then what game were those models made for? Im getting it! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Why did you ban Biggs by the way?

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Bobsqueek
01-22-2004, 03:25 PM
Anyway, they looked too high poly (IMO, im no expert)

lets just put this one down to experience

dont jump to conclusions

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p1ngu666
01-22-2004, 03:27 PM
a hoax, damn i wish i could hoax that well http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
there both great models, but nyme or whatever is a better looker, but i finks its higher poly.
gib turned out the work, and its good so respect is due. hope we get a full spitfire family http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Capt_Haddock
01-22-2004, 03:29 PM
Ouch. It was just a question of time... I knew this would happen one day or another.

Such a nice model. Very clean modeling and texturing. It shows hom much effort has gone behind. And all those versions!...
But it's late. Gibbage's Spit deserves to be in the game after meeting all the deadlines. And at least we know for sure that Gib's has all the LODs and damage models.

My only suggestion would be to put it another game. It'll be a shame not to fly it in some way or another. Target for Tonight?

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p1ngu666
01-22-2004, 03:33 PM
erk just thought, if we got static head like normal, blown canopy will be useless http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif
better to have straight and a small speed advantage.

Capt_Haddock
01-22-2004, 03:33 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gibbage1:
Just a note for everyone. The Spitfire pics that were posted on Netwings were a hoax. After a little bit of investigation, the guy posted Slava's work. Even a glance at the topic should of given us a clue. Anyways, its locked on Netwings and should die soon.

P.S. Biggs22 is no longer welcome on the Netwings IL2 Design and Development forum http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Blimey. A Hoax!?? (Just posted my reply at the same time)

If Gibbs22 is the same Gibbs I met once at the Birmingham Flightsim Show, I'm afraid you are making a miskate. He is a really friendly and helpful guy. I'm sure it's just a misunderstanding.

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Huxley_S
01-22-2004, 03:35 PM
I don't understand.

reload2000
01-22-2004, 03:42 PM
No offence, but I think it was pretty gay for you to ban Biggs22 for basically giving you a half a$$ critique Gib.

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blabla0001
01-22-2004, 03:48 PM
It's not the same Biggs Capt_Haddock, besides I think Gib is joking.

The http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif is a big hint.

reload2000
01-22-2004, 03:51 PM
Oh ok.

I thought i was gonna have to take the Gibster out back for a few minutes again. haha

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Capt_Haddock
01-22-2004, 03:53 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Cappadocian_317:
The http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif is a big hint.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

My mistake then http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Gibbage1
01-22-2004, 03:59 PM
I did not ban him. And there is a differance between Biggs and Biggs22. Biggs22 is just an azz, so he is no longer welcome.

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Why did you ban Biggs by the way?

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Korolov
01-22-2004, 04:05 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Cappadocian_317:
Why is that?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

For the same reason as the P-51 was. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif *hint hint*

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Arm_slinger
01-22-2004, 04:10 PM
A HOAX!?!?!?!?!? bloody hell that was a good one http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

My apologies for the flak you took Gib.

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blabla0001
01-22-2004, 04:20 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Korolov:
For the same reason as the P-51 was. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif *hint hint*<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I am sure people are going to complain about it.

As soon as the wannabie Axis pilots get their behinds kicked online the whine posts will show up in no time.

biggs222
01-22-2004, 04:26 PM
i think its funny that ud think of Banning someone from a public forum because they had an opinion about something.
i never personally attacked any individual on either forums. i only stated opinion.
the only reason why i even give a darn about this is that i spent time trying to help a modeler. this modeler happened to be the famous "gibbage". he has made several accurate models and has gained the respect of many ppl on both forums. but mind u this does not make him perfect. so since i knew quite a bit about spits and since gib actually asked for some help, i thought id lend a hand with giving him accurate detailed pics of the spit.
i never wanted to step on anyones toes, i only thought it would be fair if i gave him suggestions on what he could do to fix some of the SMALL errors with his model and sometimes he would agree with me. but gib started taking offense to my suggestions..and that was the end of that short friendship. so now if i say anything short of 100% praise about his spit i get shat on by gib, who now apparently thinks im just out to get him...oh well.
Btw If Nyme and Slava are the same person that would make his model older then gibs and therfore it would mean that he stole his spot, Technically speaking of course. but that is niether here nor there.
So as for Nyme, top notch spit man, shame u were just a few weeks too late. and as for Gib, Still cant wait to fly both ur mkV and eventually the mkIX in the patch.

biggs222
01-22-2004, 04:37 PM
i just read the stuf at netwings, very confusing. the pics are apparently a hoax?

i would have posted this on netwings but the thread is locked.

Gibbage1
01-22-2004, 05:27 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by biggs222:
i think its funny that ud think of Banning someone from a public forum because they had an opinion about something.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

First, I did not ban you. 2nd, its not your "openion" that made you unwelcome, but how you express your openion. When you THOUGHT something was wrong with the Spitfire, not only did you post about it in 2 threads (a reply to my post, and a new thread on the "flaw" you picked out) but you also would PM me and E-mail me. You only needed to reply and point it out, but you had too do all the other stuff.

Also, when you express your "openion", you would FORCE it on me. Not only by expressing it in 2 threads, 1 PM and 1 E-mail, by the tone in whitch it was written like "The spinner is wrong, you must make it shorter" or "The canopy is wrong, there was no oval cutout. You must remove it".

Then there is your lack of knolege of the aircraft. On 4 ocasions you pointed out "errors" that were not errors at all!

#1, Canopy punchout you said must be removed on the IX. Wrong. They were on all malcum hood canopy's.

#2, Front armor on the Vb was "old version" and must be changed. Wrong. Most Vb's sent too Russia were of the old canopy style, not the newer ones like on the IX.

I cant remember some of your other errors, but I think one was about the exaust headers being wrong, and I proved it was not. The other was the spinner and prop arangements.

And then I post pics of Jeronimo's cockpit and you started jumping all over ME about what I must change when its Jeronimo's work. I got fed up of all this BS and called you out, and then you give me this "About time you went off" BS. Well ya! You push ANYONE long enough, they will go off.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
i never personally attacked any individual on either forums. i only stated opinion.
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The way you put it comes off as a direct attack.

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the only reason why i even give a darn about this is that i spent time trying to help a modeler. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

No, You spent time forcing your openion on a modeler. Remember, its not an openion when you force it. Its then a commandment and I dont take kindly to those.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
this modeler happened to be the famous "gibbage". he has made several accurate models and has gained the respect of many ppl on both forums. but mind u this does not make him perfect. so since i knew quite a bit about spits and since gib actually asked for some help, i thought id lend a hand with giving him accurate detailed pics of the spit.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I thought you knew about Spits, but I was clearly wrong. Your just a fanatic that has a vision of what he wants in his head. When my model did not fit your vision, you gave me all sorts of grief too change it.

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Btw If Nyme and Slava are the same person that would make his model older then gibs and therfore it would mean that he stole his spot, Technically speaking of course. but that is niether here nor there.
So as for Nyme, top notch spit man, shame u were just a few weeks too late. and as for Gib, Still cant wait to fly both ur mkV and eventually the mkIX in the patch.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Slava has dissappeared for almost a year now dude. I asked many times and TRIED AND TRIED to contact him. I tried though Oleg and Oleg got no response back from him. Oleg and the comunity cant wait forever for things to get done!! The P-38 was on resurve by someone who vanished. I took it and compleated it. The P-63 was resurved by the same guy who did the P-47, but he also vanished. I took it and compleated it. Same for the Spit!!! If I did not take charge of these project, NOBODY WOULD BE ABLE TO FLY THEM COME FEB!!! What do you think of that?

Also, I highly highly doubt Slava is Nyme. Why would he come back with a new handle and not post a word of what happened to him? Also take a look at the name of the thread. It was all a hoax. Its that simple. Im sorry if your idea of a perfect Spitfire matches Slava's model more then my model, but deal with it. Slava is gone, and I had to pick up the peaces, just like damn near every other project I am doing like the Do-335. I have said my peace. Im done with you Biggs22. I really hope you dont darken the development forum with your presence again.

Nobody is perfect, but at least you will be flying something that looks damn close too a Spit Vb in Feb.

P.S. Biggs22 keeps bugging people in the MS Development Forum to "re-do" the Spit IX thats already in the game to fit his vision. Just thought you guys may find that interesting.

Gib

nixon-fiend.
01-22-2004, 05:44 PM
#If i had a hammer..#

..I'd stick some feathers on it, call it a "hatchet" and force you guys to bury it.

But I don't know what went down between you two, so i'm not qualified to comment.. they'll always be two sides.. Maybe you should do this privately - Neither of you needs to prove anything here..

Consider, Gibbage has modelled a wonderful spitfire, we can all agree on that.. So yeah, we have a mk.IX.

WE HAVE A MK.IX.

Gibbage1
01-22-2004, 05:54 PM
I agree. We should take this privatly and I am sorry to drag everyone though this.

I posted what I did to show people WHY I dont want him in the IL2 Dev forum at Netwings. Without an explination, it sounds like I am being mean, and that would support his "I gave you help, and you ban me, your mean" BS. I said what I said for a reason, and I gave everyone the reason. Sorry to drag my dirty laundry into this forum.

blabla0001
01-22-2004, 05:59 PM
I am glad Gib picked up the pieces and finished the Spitfires and the P-38.

Slava and Biggs (The one Captain Haddock met) where working on various Spits and then Slava vanished and Biggs had to drop his project for personal real life reasons.

It looked like the whole Spit thing was dead in the water, then only one still working on one was Fievel with his MKXIV but had to stop for a while because he had some issues with his PC + he had no idea how to build a pit.

Luckely all pieces are falling into place now and I am very greatful to all modellers who worked and still working on the 3rd party planes in this game.

EPP-Gibbs
01-22-2004, 06:02 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FW190fan:
IMO, a flyable Spitfire and a flyable Bf110 are the two most important planes coming up.

Now if we could just get a big map of the kanalfront I would be very, very happy http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

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Absolutely agree with you.

If I had all the money I'd spent on drink..I'd spend it on drink!

Oso2323
01-22-2004, 06:02 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
#2, Front armor on the Vb was "old version" and must be changed. Wrong. Most Vb's sent too Russia were of the old canopy style, not the newer ones like on the IX.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Question for you, Gib. This is something that I've suspected for a while. Are we primarily getting those versions of the Spitfire that were sent on lend-lease programs to Russia? I'm thinking of the pointy-tail Mk IX here.

We appreciate your work, man.
Cheers.

Edit: On 2nd thought, that's kind of a loaded question, isn't it?

[This message was edited by Oso2323 on Thu January 22 2004 at 05:14 PM.]

chris455
01-22-2004, 06:15 PM
Baldie wrote:
"The cool thing about the spitfire is that it can't possibly get any uglier. Maybe with phillis diller at the stick, but thats not likely to happen."

Words just fail me on this one.

Gibbage1
01-22-2004, 06:16 PM
Well Oleg said my priorities were the Spits in lend/lease for Russia. So thats what I did. That was the Spit Vb. I did both the clipped and non-clipped version for that.

After that was done, I noticed the IX was very close too the Vb, and I even had a real IX locally for referances. So I decided to modify the Vb into the IX. I made the IX LF in C and E wings. Both have clipped and non-clipped options. I hope this answered your question.

biggs222
01-22-2004, 06:22 PM
oh christ gib not this "ur model" crap again. I didnt design the spitfire. I wasnt around in the '40s silly, and neither were u. but i have, and have given you, photograpic and written evidence to support my "fanatic" views on what the mkIX should look like.
You just hate to be wrong so when someone points out a mistake u flip out pretty much saying "what?, how dare u defy me, i am gibbage modeling god" (slight exaduration). and u write nonsense about me which I find to be a personal attack, while we are at it, to answer ur "answers"
1) No u are wrong the punchout is not on any of the mkIXs in any of the documentation i have and i have many many books.
2) the old front armor went along with the old spinner (smaller) and metal props. your Vb had the later spinner(bigger) and wooden props(wide chord) and therefore need the later internal armor.
and gib if i was to personally attack u i would say somethign like, ur an a$$clown that is blinded by his over inflated ego.
and now I am done.

P.S. yes i mentioned that the MS mkIXe is wrong. thank God you got the 50cals in the right place at least.

Arm_slinger
01-22-2004, 06:38 PM
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Gibbage1
01-22-2004, 06:42 PM
Like I said, im done with you. If you wanna take this up privatly and stop dirtying up the forums, feel free. Gibbage@gibbageart.com or gibbage@lycos.com. Now stop this nonesense and lets get back on the subject.

Lol. Azzclown. Such a wild emagination.

Arm_slinger
01-22-2004, 07:30 PM
So then Gibster what needs sorting out on your Mk9 then? All i read is that there are a few inaccuracies with it (or is that too risky a word to use at the moment?)

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pourshot
01-22-2004, 08:54 PM
So while we are on the subject of the spitfire has anyone seen the updated pics of the cockpit after the gunsite was raised?

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SlickStick
01-22-2004, 10:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Korolov:
Gee, you Spitfire people are a noisy bunch.

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Hehe, I didn't find that a generalization. I thought it was a very astute observation.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Gibbage, from the bottom of my Spit-lovin' heart, thanks for picking up the ball and running with it. I remember Slava's models from a looong time ago on IL2 center. I think before even FB came out.

The bottom line though is Gib did the job, did it well and his models are going to help ensure this game gets a nice boost.

And anybody who doesn't like that beatiful FW-challenging clipped-wing version:

BLASPHEMY, I SAY, UNALDULTERATED BLASPHEMY!!!!!http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

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Gibbage1
01-22-2004, 10:47 PM
I remember seeing one in Olegs dev update. Check there.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by pourshot:
So while we are on the subject of the spitfire has anyone seen the updated pics of the cockpit after the gunsite was raised?

http://members.optusnet.com.au/~andycarroll68/mybaby.jpeg.JPG
Ride It Like Ya Stole It<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

biggs222
01-22-2004, 11:05 PM
yeah theres a pit update there but unfortunately it only shows the insturament pannel and not the gunsight.

pourshot
01-22-2004, 11:15 PM
Thanks for the reply Gibbage but no joy in dev updates.I'am sure it was fixed but still I would love to see how it will look.

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Gibbage1
01-22-2004, 11:21 PM
To be honest, I have seen about as much as you of the cockpit. Jeronimo and I worked in two differant time zones and comunication was difficult at best so he kept contact with Oleg. I dont have anything that was not posted. But I had assurance that the gunsight was raised once I was shown that it was incorrect and asked Jeronimo to change it.

Gib

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by pourshot:
Thanks for the reply Gibbage but no joy in dev updates.I'am sure it was fixed but still I would love to see how it will look.

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pourshot
01-22-2004, 11:39 PM
Thanks anyway Gibb.

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Oso2323
01-22-2004, 11:44 PM
[QUOTE]Baldie wrote:
"The cool thing about the spitfire is that it can't possibly get any uglier. Maybe with phillis diller at the stick, but thats not likely to happen."QUOTE]

Well it looks like the Spitfire's are real. Check out Netwings.

As it's late, I can't get the idea of a Phyillis Diller pilot skin and RAF speech-pack out of my twisted little brain.
"Tally-Ho! *cackle,cackle,cackle!*"

I should sleep.

Capt_Haddock
01-23-2004, 03:58 AM
Just to clarify the whole thing. Nyme's model is not a Hoax:
http://www.netwings.org/dcforum/DCForumID43/724.html

Everything is there: LOD's, Damage models, name convention, material setup... (maybe missing shadow models?)

http://212.80.76.22/0078/img/LODs.jpg

It's just unfortunate we have waited for so long for any Spitfire and now we have two excellent models of the same mark in just a couple of months.

I hope Nyme's Spit could be modified in any of the earlier marks. That would be most welcome http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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WooHooToYou
01-23-2004, 04:30 AM
What happened here?

Has nyme secretly been working on this for some time and didn't tell anyone, because he wanted to surprise us all?

But while he was doing this gibbage stepped up to model the spitfire, as it looked like the plane was not going to make it into the game otherwise?

It would be nice if nyme could give us more of an explanation.

269GA-Veltro
01-23-2004, 04:46 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MiloMorai:
Yes great lookin Spits. Veltro I feel for you because of the lack of 'flyable' Italian a/c.



Long live the Horse Clans.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thank you my friend.

As you know i love Spitfire...really a fantastic british birds....absolutely wonderfull.

Is clear, we need more Spitfires model in FB (first of all, for me, Mark I/II) too much important..for a lot of us, i mean.
Spitfire is the real forgotten plane in FB.

Gib, i'm sure of this, you know what Oleg think about Mark I,II: we'll never have these two model for FB? I know we'll have BoB...but...Emil vs Mark I,II we'll be great also in FB.

P.S.: Macchi is very near to be completed!!! With MC 202 and Gib Mark V..we could have our Battle for Malta.

Best Regards.

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Erbriac
01-23-2004, 04:50 AM
He already did. He was working in secrecy because he only tried to model his first plane. But the result is marvelous.

A few months back we were afraid there won't be a single spit in FB and suddenly there's a chance we will have all the marks!!! A pure nirvana http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Arm_slinger
01-23-2004, 08:08 AM
Hang on folks, things arent as bad as they seem

The project is perfectly legitimate

http://www.netwings.org/cgi-bin/dcforum/dcboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=724&forum=DCForumID43&omm=0

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Cajun76
01-23-2004, 08:19 AM
Hollywood pays millions for scripts like this. And Baldie is right (no offense to the modelers) the Spit has a weak chin. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

Good hunting,
Cajun76

Arm_slinger
01-23-2004, 10:31 AM
LOL Cajun

Hopefully nyme wil stick with the spit ( i hope he does as the results are mind blowing) and created other versions http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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CHDT
01-23-2004, 12:12 PM
At first, sorry for having begun another topic on the same subject, I haven't noticed this one http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

About these SPits, so Gibbage did the Mk1 and the MkV variants. So why not simply use Nyme's Spit for the Mark IX, because honestly this one simply looks perfect, the complex shapes of the "nine" are just totally correct, with enouhg polys even in the critical areas! So for the Mk.IX, if I would have to choose, I would choose this one.

Cheers,

blabla0001
01-23-2004, 12:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by CHDT:
At first, sorry for having begun another topic on the same subject, I haven't noticed this one http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

About these SPits, so Gibbage did the Mk1 and the MkV variants. So why not simply use Nyme's Spit for the Mark IX, because honestly this one simply looks perfect, the complex shapes of the "nine" are just totally correct, with enouhg polys even in the critical areas! So for the Mk.IX, if I would have to choose, I would choose this one.

Cheers,<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Gib did the MKV and IX, Fievel is doing the MKXIV bubble top.

So if this guy want's to he can do the MKI, II, VIII, IX with bubble top and the XIV with the "regular" spitfire top.

CHDT
01-23-2004, 12:52 PM
Frankly, I hope nobody will take it personal, but this new Spit is simply perfect, one of the best models ever with the Typhoon and the Veltro. To say the truth, I would really like to fly this one. If it's not possible as a Mk.IX, as a Mk.VIII (some of them still had the more elegant rounded tail): with this solution, there would be only the retracting tail wheel and the modified front air intake with a few more minor details to do. PLEASE a MK.VIII.

It would be a SHAME to put this beauty to the dustbin... or to CFS3 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Cheers,

CHDT
01-23-2004, 12:53 PM
Yep, the IX with the bubbletop would be too a great idea! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Cheers,

Arm_slinger
01-23-2004, 01:18 PM
I just want spitfires lol, the Mk VIII would be a good one to have along with a Mk1/II and a Griffon powered Spit http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

so many choices !!!!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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blabla0001
01-23-2004, 01:27 PM
If you want a power Spit then you want the MK22.

4x20mm Hispano's baby!!

And if I look at the firepower of the Hurricane MKIIc I wouldn't mind having the MK22. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/icon_twisted.gif

biggs222
01-23-2004, 01:56 PM
yeah the mkVIII idea is great, and nyme already has the mkXVI done.

as for the mk22 yeah that would be awesome, remember "Biggs'" mk22 shame he had to drop it for personal reasons, it really looked sweet

DONB3397
01-23-2004, 02:24 PM
I just checked in, read both threads (NW and here). I'm not much interested in the turf battles. Gib is a proven modeler with the PBY, P-38 and MkVb already in the inventory. Now, based on the Netwings thread, it appears that another modeler has the skillset to add Spitfire variants and other a/c.

It may seem that Oleg (and FB simmers) have an "embarrassment of riches." That is, more than needed in one small area...not enough in others. But I doubt it.

Like others here, I like Spitfires and can barely wait to get one (or more) in this best-of-breed WWII sim. I'm fairly sure we're going to get several variants (in future versions and patchs, as we have most of the 109, 190 and now P-51 and P-47 variants). Think about it; it's not possible to do the BoB, or the Med, or Western European theaters without them. If you were part of 1C management, what would you do?

By this time next year, these threads will be dedicated to debates over performance inaccuracies, gunsight positioning, engine sound and landing speed...of the Spitfires we'll be flying.

Winning isn't everything;
It's the only thing!
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biggs222
01-23-2004, 03:14 PM
"By this time next year, these threads will be dedicated to debates over performance inaccuracies, gunsight positioning, engine sound and landing speed...of the Spitfires we'll be flying."

hahaha DONB3397, now lets not get ahead of ourselves here, we'll cross that bridge when we get there. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

MrFenna
01-23-2004, 03:15 PM
These new models are stunning, I hope we can get them into FB, even if they're modified to a different MK. Gibbage did get here first, however, and fair is fair.

Hopefully Nyme will continue modelling for FB.

Just hope someone will model a Mossie. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Arm_slinger
01-23-2004, 04:44 PM
Nyme if you see this post could you please PM me please http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif, we the Target for Tonight team wish to get in contact with you http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

The same will be done over at Netwings by the means of Azirahple, Sundog and a couple of others

Many thanks

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DONB3397
01-23-2004, 05:24 PM
I notice that Spitfires are not mentioned in the Add-on promotional blurb at the Ubi.com website. Does that mean anything?

Arm_slinger
01-23-2004, 05:34 PM
Just favourtism on their behalf

The Spit Mark 5 by Gibster is in the add-on

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Oso2323
01-23-2004, 06:16 PM
I think we have to get over this thought that Gib's Mk ix represents every mk ix out there - it doesn't! It's a great model of a late production (late 43) model. There were quite a few earlier versions that should be modelled. (i.e. right now we don't have the main 1942-43 variants - the mk ixa and ixb with the round rudder). I think it's essential that we get these (especially since he's already built one!)

(P.S. you wouldn't say that a bf109G-6as represents the 109G-6 series, would you?)

biggs222
01-24-2004, 12:50 AM
yes Oso i too think Nyme should send in his "early" mkIXb (merlin66) it has not been done by gib, gib did the late "mkIXb" (pointed rudder) also nymes mkXVI sould be included...the more the spits the merrier!!!!!

Arm_slinger
01-24-2004, 06:13 AM
Thats all very well, but what would be the difference? I'm betting they have the same performance, not that i wouldnt mind seening an early Mk9, or even a Mk 8 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Oso2323
01-24-2004, 09:07 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Arm_slinger:
Thats all very well, but what would be the difference? I'm betting they have the same performance, not that i wouldnt mind seening an early Mk9, or even a Mk 8 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Actually, they wouldn't have the same performance (depending on the variant.) The Brits weren't great at designating all things; hence the MK ix series had 3 different engines, 3 different wing types, two arnament types, 2 canopy types and two filter types.

An "early" Mk ix would probably mean the Mk ixa, otherwise known as the F.ixc. It was slightly inferior to the FW190 between 15-22,000 ft. I believe it had the Merlin 61 or 63. (I think - I'm doing this by memory).

But it's visually identical cousin rectified this with the introduction of the Merlin 66. This was the Mk ixb, otherwise known as the LF.ixc. Many models had a bigger intake (compared to the Mk V). Late models (i.e. Gib's machine) had the pointed rudder.

I'd like to see models of both these early versions. And even if performance was identical - well, we have a normal tail/wooden tail bf109 G-6's in the game, don't we? The Spit mk ix was as signifigant an aircraft.

Actually, the main reason why I'm all for it is that the round rudder versions were by far the most numerous. None, and I do mean None, of the aces flew the pointy rudder ixb. 95% of the ix's that I've seen have the round rudder. It's just kind of wierd not to have one.

Also, your beloved Mk VIII was powered by the same Merlin 60-series engine as the mk ix. Performance was very similar.

I think we need a mk VIII as well - especially as we have those pacific maps to fly over.

MiloMorai
01-24-2004, 09:55 AM
Oso, were not the letters in the designation there to denote the what guns were fitted in the wings?

ie.
E &gt; 4 cannons or 2 cannon + 2 mgs



Long live the Horse Clans.

Oso2323
01-24-2004, 11:09 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MiloMorai:
Oso, were not the letters in the designation there to denote the what guns were fitted in the wings?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It gets tricky. The mk ix's were unofficially called ixa and ixb depending on the engine (Merlin 61-63 or Merlin 66).

Officially the F/LF designation was used to identify the engine, and then the armament would be either "c" (universal wing) or "e" (2 20mm and 2 50 cal). So you'd get F ixc, LF ixc or LF ixe. (There wasn't a F ixe)

I believe that on the Mk V, the a,b,&c designations referred to the wing type (the C was a universal wing capable of mounting 8, 303's, 2 20mm + 4 303's, or 4 20mm). The 4 20mm option wasn't used in wartime. Pilots thought that it made to airplane too heavy, and that 2 20mm was perfectly adequate. (Unlike the luftwaffe, Spit pilots didn't have to knock down a B-17!)

Cheers.

[This message was edited by Oso2323 on Sat January 24 2004 at 10:20 AM.]

biggs222
01-24-2004, 12:16 PM
the mkIX and mkVIII were nearly the same as far as performace goes, both had the same top speed, because they both had the same engine(s) merlin61,63,66,70 producing a speed of 410mph at differing alts depending on the engine type. the mkVIII weighed a bit more, about 5800lbs empty, about 200 more then the mkIX.
correct me if im wrong but werent teh mkVIII's used mostly in the pacific/Burma?

Oso2323
01-24-2004, 12:19 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by biggs222:
correct me if im wrong but werent teh mkVIII's used mostly in the pacific/Burma?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

And the Med. Quite a few were sent there.

HellToupee
01-24-2004, 01:06 PM
australia used the most of em, so im guessin the aussies are hangin out for one.

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hotspace
01-24-2004, 01:16 PM
Cool http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

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Arm_slinger
01-24-2004, 05:18 PM
Gah why couldnt supermarine keep the mark numbers simple http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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MiloMorai
01-24-2004, 06:01 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Oso2323:
It gets tricky. The mk ix's were unofficially called ixa and ixb depending on the engine (Merlin 61-63 or Merlin 66).

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I never saw any reference to ixa and ixb in the Spifire bible.(Spitfire:The History)

The A wing was the all lmg wing while the B wing was 2 cannon + 4 lmg.

The Merlin 61, 63 and 63A were regular engines. The 66 was a LF engine and the 70 was the HF engine.

That gives the IX F a 61, 63 engine, the IX LF a 66 engine and the IX HF a 70 engine.



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Oso2323
01-24-2004, 06:45 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MiloMorai:
I never saw any reference to ixa and ixb in the Spifire bible.(Spitfire:The History)
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I got that from Alfred Price's "Late Marque Spitfire Aces." I also tried to find out how many Spit ix's were built with the broad chord rudder using "Spitfire:The History." It didn't have it.

biggs222
01-24-2004, 07:31 PM
no milo...Oso is correct. spit pilots used that title for the spit LFIXs because it came into use before a name could offically been given to the new engine...quote from Alan Deere,

"I was now all set to renew aquaintances with the formidable Focke-Wulfs, but this time I was better equipped. THe Biggan Hill squadrons (611 and 341 Sqns) were using the Spitfire IXBs (actually officially known as LF IXCs, and fitted with the Merlin 66 engine - squadron pilots referred to this mark as the 'MK IXB', and christened the F IXC the 'MK IXA', the latter being powered by a Merlin 61, 63 or 63A engine,Ed.), a mark of Spitfire markedly superior in performace to the Fw 190A below 27,000 ft. Unlike the Spitfire IXA,with which all other Spitfire IX wings in teh Group were equipped, the IXB's supercharger came in at a lower altitude and the aircraft attained its best performance at 21,000 ft, or at roughly the same altitude as the Fw 190. At this hight it was approximately 30 mph faster, was better in the climb and vastly more manuverable. As an all around fighter the Spitfire IXB was supreme, and undoutedly the best mark of Spitfire produced, despite later and more powerful versions. The callsign allocated to me as wing leader was "Brutus".

this quote is from the book Spitfire, Flying Legend. page 78

yes Oso is right.

biggs222
01-24-2004, 07:36 PM
yeah i too have the Spitfire:History and late marque Spitfire aces 1942-45.
if u dont have it i strongly recomend Spitfie, Flying Legend, by Osprey Aviation, great personal accounts and high quality color photos of reconstructed spits of several variants, as well as historical ohpots...lots of eye candy!!!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

biggs222
01-24-2004, 09:44 PM
bump
oh boy ..happy days, nyme says hes plannign on doing other spits, at least two more, early mkIX possibly mkVIII and mkXVIe....that should cover just about anythign the LW can throw at the RAF..hahaha next few months should be interesting.

MrFenna
01-25-2004, 04:07 AM
Any chance Nyme could do a Mossie ?

Such an amazing plane