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XyZspineZyX
10-04-2003, 12:26 PM
That thread is dedicated to the hypothetical P53 /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

Nic

PS: yes the first models of Ta 152 A/B were ready to enter production by late 1943. With performance similar to the Dora a year before.

Nic

Message Edited on 10/04/0301:27PM by nicolas10

XyZspineZyX
10-04-2003, 12:26 PM
That thread is dedicated to the hypothetical P53 /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

Nic

PS: yes the first models of Ta 152 A/B were ready to enter production by late 1943. With performance similar to the Dora a year before.

Nic

Message Edited on 10/04/0301:27PM by nicolas10

XyZspineZyX
10-04-2003, 12:38 PM
As I posted in the P-53 thread, I wonder how the Ta 152C would perform with the projected Jumo 224 and Jumo 225, both in the 4000/5000hp range.


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XyZspineZyX
10-04-2003, 12:45 PM
Haett' er nich'n Hund gehabt haett' er'n Has' gehabt.
German proverb.

However, the Ta152 in '43 would have brought some troubles to the allies, but they would have reacted on it and developed their own aicrafts to be better against the Ta.
to be serious hypothetical.


Message Edited on 10/04/0311:47AM by DeBaer.534

XyZspineZyX
10-04-2003, 04:52 PM
robban75 wrote:
- As I posted in the P-53 thread, I wonder how the Ta
- 152C would perform with the projected Jumo 224 and
- Jumo 225, both in the 4000/5000hp range.
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-


Jumo could not even get the 222 to run properly and you expect these other 2 'box' diesel engines to power the Ta152Cs. Just to give an idea of the weight of these 2 engines, the Jumo 223 from which they came from weighed 2370kg(5200lb) and was to produced 2500hp.



Message Edited on 10/04/0312:22PM by roachclip

XyZspineZyX
10-04-2003, 06:18 PM
iam new here and too the game but i have never thought of the D9 or 152 as a good dogfighter, i would say i high alttitude intercepter, bomber killer etc.. just too heavy to be nimble and turn alot..

curious, you guys know alot, does the short nose 190 have more manuverability? which german plane would be the best dogfighter? like i said iam new.. lol

XyZspineZyX
10-04-2003, 06:31 PM
The short-nosed Fw 190s were effective at low altitudes, but their radial engines lost power at greater heights so they fared poorly against high-altitude aircraft like the P-47 and P-51.

The long-nosed, inline engined, 190D versions were much better at medium heights because of improved engine performance, but used the the same wing as the short-nosed Fws and so were still a bit lacking at high altitude.

The Ta 152 combined the good high-altitude engine performance of the D version with an extended wing to increase its high-altitude agility. The Ta 152 was potentially as good as anything fielded by the Allies, although only very small numbers were operational before the war ended. We don't have the Ta 152 in FB yet, but it's scheduled for release in an later add-on.

None of the Fws is exactly manouverable and will quickly lose a turn fight against almost any opponent, But all are well suited to "Boom and Zoom" tactics. In fact, by the war's end most fighter designs stressed speed at the expense of agility.

Regards,

RocketDog.

XyZspineZyX
10-04-2003, 07:04 PM
MGallun wrote:
- iam new here and too the game but i have never
- thought of the D9 or 152 as a good dogfighter, i
- would say i high alttitude intercepter, bomber
- killer etc.. just too heavy to be nimble and turn
- alot..
-
- curious, you guys know alot, does the short nose 190
- have more manuverability? which german plane would
- be the best dogfighter? like i said iam new.. lol

The early A series may have had better manoeuvrability overall, but the Ta 152 (H at least) was more manoeuvrable than the later A series (for instance it could EASILY turn tighter than the A8).

Nic