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Mike8686
09-06-2004, 06:55 AM
How do you guys suggest this bird be flown? What are the principles on flying me262. Whats it good at? Whats it bad at? Why do almost all servers ban it when it is well known that the 262 was used during WWII. Why do most servers allow that I185 or w/e that was barely used and not 262?

Mike8686
09-06-2004, 06:55 AM
How do you guys suggest this bird be flown? What are the principles on flying me262. Whats it good at? Whats it bad at? Why do almost all servers ban it when it is well known that the 262 was used during WWII. Why do most servers allow that I185 or w/e that was barely used and not 262?

bazzaah2
09-06-2004, 07:25 AM
they're mainly banned becuase of speed differentials, though I think they have a place, all the more since the 262 does have its vulnerabilities.

Just keep your speed up, never turn in combat and use your climb rate/speed to keep you out of trouble. Then get shot down as you come in to land.

The 262's fun when you get the speed up but I find it quite dull against prop fighters, but it is the ultimate hit and run plane in the game.

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Ki_Rin
09-06-2004, 10:12 AM
Exactly what bazzah said...never, ever df in a 262

stay at high speed, but dont overheat your engines...once you are cruising at 500+, this shouldnt be a problem anyhow....and wait until you see a sucker near the top of his climb, or in another vulnerable state, and swoop in, and blast him....one strike only, dont look back, exit area in the level or very shallow climb

Also, of course, be gentle with throttles....even at the most stressful times, remember to be GENTLE..too many ppl get excited and throttle up, or mor eoften, because they blackout, throttle down, too fast

Yes, it IS too bad the jets get a bum rap in most servers..the 262 was flying way before many of the props, or have seen more production or even combat than some of them, too

IMO, the La7, I185 and Ki84C are WAY more dangerous than the 262....they have great speed, great firepower, but above all they have manuverability and durability

I'd rather face a 262 than any of the above mentioned "uber" types anyday...anyone who, in an arcade server, is killed by a jet whilst in a prop deserves to die...with the 262s mild manuverability, and ability to light up with the slightest hit from even a 303 or 7.7, it takes SKILL to fly and get clean kills in it, not to mention actually RTB in one piece in one

Most of the ppl who whine about jets are those who have to fly prop superbirds, and they just cant stand to lose the edge in speed or firepower or both....they like having a type that basically outperforms most other types, and dont like that all the sudden, THEY are the ones that have to watch out instead of dictate the engagment....babies!

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Prof.Wizard
09-06-2004, 10:22 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by bazzaah2:
Then get shot down as you come in to land.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
LOL, how true!

In those few realistic servers I've seen it, it happens like this in case the home airfield is not secure. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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Dammerung
09-06-2004, 11:13 AM
Fly Fast, and when some baby Whines about OMFG UBER JET PLANE OLEG SHOULD REMOVE...

Vulch him on takeoff http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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JorBR
09-06-2004, 12:28 PM
Ki_Rin and bazzah explained it all.

I just might add that the 262 is not the best plane for very-agressive-virtual-fighter-pilots. You need lots of patience and brains, less stamina and more rational thinking. You have to work out every victory, the element of surprise is paramount on this bird, once your foe sees you coming (unless he is in a bomber) forget it, you shall try to find another one or go home to fight another day. Some may call it "Hartmann´s approach".

This is what the 262 is all about, if you fly it correctly you are pretty much untouchable. Good pilots in other "uber" planes we´ll bag a string of victories while you´ll get one or two, but sooner or latter they´ll make a mistake and fall while you´ll still be around there, picking victories one by one http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif .

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WUAF_Badsight
09-06-2004, 03:09 PM
i like totally turn fight with the 262

it can surprise the heck outta people

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JorBR
09-06-2004, 03:35 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WUAF_Badsight:
i like totally turn fight with the 262

it can surprise the heck outta people

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OldMan____
09-06-2004, 04:45 PM
Put landing flaps, gear down, trim maximum an TURN TURN TURn.. enemy will never think of searching an Me262 turning with him :P

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NorrisMcWhirter
09-07-2004, 01:07 AM
Hi,

Like the 190s...hit and run. No one is going to catch you unless you make a big mistake so utilise the height and speed advantage that you've been handed on a plate.

I always find it interesting that the 262 is banned; this plane existed, is not particularly uber (except for it's normal characteristics) and is extremely vunerable to stray fire.

It's enlightening to see what the plane which could have swung the air war in the LW's favour is actually capable of. I think that is what people don't like to consider.

Cheers,
Norris

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Korolov
09-07-2004, 01:14 AM
Even more interesting than the tactics the 262s use are the tactics you can use to bring one down.

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WTE_Galway
09-07-2004, 01:48 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by NorrisMcWhirter:
Hi,

I always find it interesting that the 262 is banned; this plane existed, is not particularly uber (except for it's normal characteristics) and is extremely vunerable to stray fire.

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but otherwise close to invincible if not flown buy a noob

i have yet to see anyone demand 262's so they can shoot AT them, people looking for 262 servers usually want to fly them so they can zoon and boom other poor suckers at ludicrously high speeds !!

it was also historically realistic that in the battle of the Somme people climbed out of trenches and got mown down by machines guns but I cant see that making a fun game either http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

OldMan____
09-07-2004, 05:59 AM
Not true. Not that difficult to shot down an Me262. Just pay attention when he come to you.. or your allies perform a fast turn into him and give a spay.. than turn. His weapons have short range and it is rather large. A single .50 bullet can bring it down. Also if you know where the me262 is.. you can most of time evade him.

I stil think that is the best german plane is banned.. we should ban P51 and Spit 9 as well. how would you feel with that? We can´t want to play on Me262.. but you guys always run to servers with 99% planes being spit9 and P51D.

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NorrisMcWhirter
09-07-2004, 06:18 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
i have yet to see anyone demand 262's so they can shoot AT them, people looking for 262 servers usually want to fly them so they can zoon and boom other poor suckers at ludicrously high speeds !!
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hi

Anyone flying LW BnZ's for the most part. Apart from early war scenarios, you don't have a whole lot of choice in the matter (speaking as a 190 jock)...

The 262 is the ultimate LW BnZ aircraft; contrary to popular belief, it's not actually that easy to hit a plane that is easily able to outmanouevre you once you are committed on an attack; an attack has to be carefully planned and executed.

We get quite a few people in our server complaining about how easy it is to get kills in the 262..then you find them asking you how to start the engines etc. On the 4th take off attempt, they get off the ground but wonder why they get shot down quite quickly or they light up the engines during combat.

So, I agree - if you're not a noob, you may be relatively untouchable but you could say that about a P47 with a height advantage on a 190.

Cheers,
Norris

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Biloxi72
09-07-2004, 07:15 AM
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I fly the 262 any chance i get online in either the Birds of Prey server or occasionally i think the f16 squad server has it. I simply fly the 262 like a 190 in terms of boom and zoom. I will turn fight but only until my speed drops to 400 then i break away and gain speed. Easiest targets are to me the p38 no offense lightning jocks http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif only because they cant turn as quick and they are big targets. The others are tougher if they know you close by. I tend to hang out at my AB since all allieds hang there shooting us on TO or landing. Either way they tend to focus on their vistim giving me a chance to whack them with the 4 cannons and zoom away.
I never put throttle above 80 that way i dont leave a smoke trail for them to find and i dont build up too much speed. I love this plane in that i can get regular kills but also have to be extra careful with my engines.