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XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 06:04 PM
Copied from an article I read on a Drivers website:


CATALYST 3.8 Update!
Posted on Monday, October 06, 2003
at 5:12 PM by **G.I.BRO** - View Article Comments


I asked Terry if CATALYST 3.8 is still on track for Wednesday, since many people on the forums are quite anxious to see this CATALYST update. Here is what he said:
quote:

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"Yes we are 100% on track for Wednesday. As a matter of fact I can even tell you what time we expect to post.... 3 pm EST is when they should be live. Also we have talked to numerous web sites about the drivers and expect a few articles to come up at that time as well."
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So, only 2 more days till your able to get these yourself. Hopefully this will keep most of you satisfied until then!



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XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 06:04 PM
Copied from an article I read on a Drivers website:


CATALYST 3.8 Update!
Posted on Monday, October 06, 2003
at 5:12 PM by **G.I.BRO** - View Article Comments


I asked Terry if CATALYST 3.8 is still on track for Wednesday, since many people on the forums are quite anxious to see this CATALYST update. Here is what he said:
quote:

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"Yes we are 100% on track for Wednesday. As a matter of fact I can even tell you what time we expect to post.... 3 pm EST is when they should be live. Also we have talked to numerous web sites about the drivers and expect a few articles to come up at that time as well."
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So, only 2 more days till your able to get these yourself. Hopefully this will keep most of you satisfied until then!



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Lose Sight, Lose Fight
Chek6

Buzz_25th
10-06-2003, 06:08 PM
A lot of drivers for a card with no problems../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 06:09 PM
Sweet

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XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 06:18 PM
IT's for the 9800xt-supposed to support higher performance.



The poor guys running dets are having to switch back and forth to find the ones with the best IQ /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

rogo

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XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 06:21 PM
HaHa Buzz you're such a NAYSAYER.

I've been reading these forums for quite a time now, and I don't believe I have ever seen you say something truly positive without some jab or another. HAHA http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


Your post rings true to some extent, however.


I suppose I would rather keep having update releases rather than the alternative.


Regardless, to all those ATI souls like myself...just wanted to keep you advised.


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Buzz_25th
10-06-2003, 06:31 PM
You know that I have a 9800XT on the way then.

It's just fun jabbing the ATI dudes../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 06:36 PM
Did not know you had the XT enroute... congrats.

I do, however get your humor...as even though you are seldom positive, you're never biting.

Salute and have fun with your XT...keep us updated!


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XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 06:38 PM
Lol.

Detonator 45.23
44.03
41.09
40.00
30.82
29.42
23.11
21.20

These are only the OFFICIAL and CERTIFIED ones, not to mention the 5 or so beta's between each official and certified. Ugh. Dont even get me on the Det 50's thats supposed to "FIX" its DX9 problems. Enjoy updating your drivers twice a month?

Gib

Buzz_25th wrote:
- A lot of drivers for a card with no problems../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif
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No fancy quote or cool photo.... YET

XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 06:44 PM
ATI has a commitment to release roughly every 6 weeks a new WHQL driver set.... Nvidia seems to have a commitment to release crappy drivers then fix them then release them but rarely release WHQL sets....hmmmmmm wonder why
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XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 06:48 PM
There are still some problems with FB Perfect mode where it is ATI's job to fix them... crashes, weird texture errors (like on over-OCed cards, but exactly reproducable - no random errors)...

Buzz_25th
10-06-2003, 06:57 PM
Gib,

If you look at the time period. There are more ATI drivers coming out than nvidia. Leaked drivers really don't count.

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XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 07:08 PM
Buzz_25th wrote:
- A lot of drivers for a card with no problems../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Oh man! So you are disappointed every time nVidia releases a new driver? What is this?

Why is more driver support worse than less driver support? You aren´t force to download every new driver, The 3,4 works great still...



Message Edited on 10/06/0306:12PM by oeqvist

Buzz_25th
10-06-2003, 07:13 PM
oeqvist

Nvidia has absolutely nothing to do with my statement.

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XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 07:18 PM
Willey, maybe you've overclocked the card too much? (are you getting black and/or white dogs?) It plays fine in perfect mode on my box.

/m

p.s. try getting 3Dmark 2003 and running it, if the card is in trouble you'll see white and/or black dots on the girls face and on the chest of the guys in the lift on the spaceship.





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XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 07:19 PM
ATi has always had a slow driver release, till recently. Then Nvidia started doing its Det-a-week marathon and people went "Wow, Nvidia is working hard to fix stuff." and ATi later matched it with its Catalyst. Both video cards have good spots and bad spots. I was just saying Nvidia fans cant poke fun at ATi's aggressive driver releases since they are only trying to catch up with Nvidia's. And yes, I can count beta's since they are released by Nvidia. There were many instances were you could download beta's by Nvidia on Nvidia's web page. ATi does not need its customers to test its drivers for them http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif I was once the proud owner of the GeForce 3 and I beta tested many of its Det's. So far I have had a lot less problems with my new ATi Radeon 9500 then my old and proven GeForce 3 with games.

Besides, you forgot something in your reply rage. New drivers are not all about fixing old problems, but also about supporting new hardware and new games. Ever take that into consideration? No. I didnt think so. You were so eager to prove Nvidia is so superior that you missed the ovious.

Gib

Buzz_25th wrote:
- Gib,
-
- If you look at the time period. There are more ATI
- drivers coming out than nvidia. Leaked drivers
- really don't count.
-
-
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No fancy quote or cool photo.... YET

Buzz_25th
10-06-2003, 07:29 PM
Gib,

You need to lighten up. It was a simple jab at Rogo and oeqvist, because they keep saying the ATI cards have no problem.

Getting back to what you said though. There is always a list of fixes for present games in every ATI driver that comes out



btw.. You call what i've said on this thread a rage? You've had your nose on your drawing board to long. Come up for air. This is all in good fun. I wouldn't be getting another 9800 if I thought it was a bad card.

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XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 07:42 PM
ATI cards don't have problems they just need to be installed correctly (jab jab).

The 3.8s are ati's driver flagship release for HL2 and the XT series.

My brother just sold his 5900evga non U on ebay because of the crap drivers that nvidia has been putting out in the past 2 months.

rogo

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Buzz_25th
10-06-2003, 07:53 PM
Rogo,

Listen to this, and see if it makes sense. I had tried the 45.23 drivers before with poor results. Since then I moved up to DirecrX 9.0b. I had 9.0a before.

Yesterday just for laughs. I tried the 45.23 drivers again. I got my usual 1500 point loss in 3Dmark. I fired up the Black Death track, and tested it with no fsaa or af. The fps were only average, and it stuttered bad. Same old crap. I then tried it with 4xfsaa and 4xaf. Not sure why, but did it anyway. My fps increased by 50%, and the stutters were gone. I did this same test on other games with the same results. How is this possible? I kept testing back and forth with fsaa on and off with the same results. I'm baffled.

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Message Edited on 10/06/0311:55AM by Buzz_25th

XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 07:56 PM
Man, and I just downloaded the 3.7

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XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 08:04 PM
Well I thought your reply was half-cocked and low on relevent information like it was posted in rage. The same trates are in joking reply's. Sometimes its hard to tell the differance. Also, in my post, I really did not support eather or. I also never siad there was no list of fixes http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif I just was stating that typically new drivers are released to support new hardware or features, and they sneak the bug fixes in with them.

I used to support Voodoo till about the V3, then I realized its just a faster version of there original chip http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif They got lazy and did nothing to stay on top. Then I saw what strides Nvidia was making with its GeForce searies! What a revolution! Very good. Again, the GeForce FX is not much more then a pumped up GeForce 256. Now Nvidia is getting a little lazy like Voodoo was. Its sort of the "top dog gets fat off his own winnings" deal. Wait till the top dog gets to fat to fight back, and then take the throne. I think ATi is doing just that. There products are VERY nice. They took the Xbox 2 from Nvidia (BIG deal), have the GameCube, P4 chipset rights, very good drivers, and a damn fine product. I have seen the NV38, and its nothing big. Nor is the 9800TX. They are running neck and neck, but I dont like the cheating Nvidia does with benchmarks. So I though my support to ATi till Nvidia slims down a bit.

Thats my 2 cents.

Buzz_25th wrote:
- Gib,
-
- You need to lighten up. It was a simple jab at Rogo
- and oeqvist, because they keep saying the ATI cards
- have no problem.
-
-
- Getting back to what you said though. There is
- always a list of fixes for present games in every
- ATI driver that comes out
-
-
-
-
- btw.. You call what i've said on this thread a rage?
- You've had your nose on your drawing board to long.
- Come up for air. This is all in good fun. I wouldn't
- be getting another 9800 if I thought it was a bad
- card.
-

No fancy quote or cool photo.... YET

XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 08:13 PM
Buzz

that is bizzare but I've found that my 9800 runs about 3 fps faster with 4xAA on the black death than without /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

But I don't know how you could get a %50 increase over non aa and af setup!

The same thing is happening in a few published benchmarks over at anands (but this is with the 50s).

There is a discussion over at nvnews.net about it but no one has been able to explain how-the why over there is obvious.

What a brain knocker that one is-could you post the fraps txt logs buzz I'd like to see all the fps stats!?

thanks

rogo

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Buzz_25th
10-06-2003, 08:29 PM
I'll do it later today Rogo.

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XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 08:36 PM
Why did I change from Geforce 3 to Ati9700Pro?


For x4 anti-aliasing and a decent dogfight above Lenningrad with above 25fps. acheived with 'out of the box' drivers!

Any other driver update is a bonus for me !!

XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 09:56 PM
Buzz_25th wrote:
- oeqvist
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- Nvidia has absolutely nothing to do with my
- statement.

No but from your statement you thing driver upgrades are bad and thus they has to be it for nvidia cards too wouldn´t it?

And ATI is on a 3 week schedule so Buzz is right. ATI:s driver support team works faster than nVidias.

But honestly what is wrong with excessive driver support? You don´t need to download every new driver if you are on a 56 kb line as I am http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

 find this really strange really...

Buzz_25th
10-06-2003, 09:59 PM
Guess I need to use a smiley next time, so you get it.

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XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 10:01 PM
Buzz_25th wrote:
- Gib,
-
- You need to lighten up. It was a simple jab at Rogo
- and oeqvist, because they keep saying the ATI cards
- have no problem.
-
-
- Getting back to what you said though. There is
- always a list of fixes for present games in every
- ATI driver that comes out
-

Buzz, what are driver releases there for? What are game patches there for?

Fixing bugs!! Thus the more drivers the merrier...

You has to jab better than that Buzz but it can be quite hard considering the more powered punch ATI cards has these days /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 10:04 PM
It is hard to register voice inflections or facial expressions over text without the simple smily http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Buzz_25th wrote:
- Guess I need to use a smiley next time, so you get
- it.
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Buzz_25th
10-06-2003, 10:14 PM
Gib,

I like the more suble jab without the smileys though. If I was a comedian. I'd be the type with a stone face../i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

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XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 10:36 PM
Hey Buzz, I remember you saying you would sell me your card if I waited until you upgraded. Does this mean you will sell me your 5900? Just curious. I like ATI but I won't pass on a good deal.

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XyZspineZyX
10-06-2003, 10:39 PM
No one can not mean what they say-the freudian slip baby.

rogo

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XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 12:01 AM
Buzz, you called me a knucklehead in another post. LOL /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif You should sell me your old card just based on that.

By selling me your card you can feel good about yourself, knowing that you have helped the poor (ok, just me) enrich his life. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Btw, I am being serious, we talked about this in a past thread and I am interested if it is available. If not, thats cool. I won't post any more in this thread. Post here or PM me with your answer if possible.

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Buzz_25th
10-07-2003, 01:07 AM
Sorry bud, but I can't. Falcon has realized their mistake by using a 5900 in my system. I asked them about running the newer DirectX9 games, and they said the 5900 won't do a good job, and they stopped building systems with that card. I said "what about me". As soon as they get the 9800XT cards, they will send me one, but I have to give them back the 5900.

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XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 01:27 AM
No problem, thanks for the reply. Good luck with new card you lucky b@stard. Oh, nice support from Falcon btw, good stuff.

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Message Edited on 10/07/0312:28AM by kyrule2

XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 03:47 AM
Hmmmmm maybe this will fix my problem in windows with my card dropping to 16 color low res mode ......: A eformat is a last resort.

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XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 03:58 AM
Buzz_25th wrote:
- A lot of drivers for a card with no problems..
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Funny, the frequency of "Leaked" (yea right) Detonator drivers for Nvidias cards used to be one of the big positives for them, now that ATI keeps optimizing and fixing and releasing drivers frequently it's suddenly a bad thing?

Why do have to act like an idiot?

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Message Edited on 10/06/0307:00PM by TurboCrotch

Buzz_25th
10-07-2003, 05:09 AM
Hey crotch! Did you bother to read all the posts? It was a joke at Rogo. All explained already. Go play somewhere else. Your annoying.

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XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 06:14 AM
I keep downloading new Catalyst releases hoping one will include a "Theater mode video overlay on television doesn't look like complete crap" button..

So far nothing...

Having scan line checking on all displays would be nice as well.

XyZspineZyX
10-07-2003, 08:14 AM
Do I win a prize for causing Buzz to be wrong? I know it is not that difficult /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif but perhaps a pen, or maybe a Happy Meal? Maybe a T-shirt:



I MADE BUZZ LOOK LIKE A.....

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Message Edited on 10/07/0308:04AM by kyrule2