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LeadSpitter_
02-11-2004, 07:29 AM
The Aleutians Operations, 1942-1943 and the 11th airforce

Most americans and the rest of the world dont even know US soil was invaded by the japanese in the Aleutians as a stepping stone to attack the united states, it had some of the most fearsome fighting coming in second after the battle of midway.

The scenery is so amazing there all we need is a map, we have almost all the aircraft that fought there with the exception of the b24 and some others. Its also where the american p39 shotdown the first enemy aircraft of the war. A truely forgotten battle and its sad most people dont know about it.

http://www.worldwar2database.com/html/aleutians.htm

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LeadSpitter_
02-11-2004, 07:29 AM
The Aleutians Operations, 1942-1943 and the 11th airforce

Most americans and the rest of the world dont even know US soil was invaded by the japanese in the Aleutians as a stepping stone to attack the united states, it had some of the most fearsome fighting coming in second after the battle of midway.

The scenery is so amazing there all we need is a map, we have almost all the aircraft that fought there with the exception of the b24 and some others. Its also where the american p39 shotdown the first enemy aircraft of the war. A truely forgotten battle and its sad most people dont know about it.

http://www.worldwar2database.com/html/aleutians.htm

http://www.geocities.com/leadspittersig/LSIG.txt
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Willie__Wombat
02-11-2004, 07:36 AM
MOST people don't know where the Pacific Ocean is if you remember the 2000 National Geographic Survey US school children took.

WW

Zyzbot
02-11-2004, 07:42 AM
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Its also where the american p39 shotdown the first enemy aircraft of the war.

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I thought that the first American aircraft to shoot down an enemy plane did it at the time of the Peral Harbor attack. Or are you specifically referring to the P-39?

bazzaah2
02-11-2004, 07:56 AM
that IS a forgotten battle.

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Zen--
02-11-2004, 08:13 AM
My very first MOS in the army was 13E (cannon fire direction specialist) and our deployment area was none other than....that same frozen place in the Aleutians.

Extreme cold weather operations SUCK!!!

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Formerly TX-Zen

nicolas10
02-11-2004, 08:26 AM
I forgot which squadron of P40 was based there, but they had that huge tiger head in front that looked very good. Damn I can't find my book on the P40 to check out the squad. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

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Eagle_361st
02-11-2004, 09:00 AM
Actually I believe that the first kill of declared WWII was recorded by a P-35 on 8 Dec 1941. I will have to check it was in one of the latest Flight Journals.

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Chuck_Older
02-11-2004, 09:05 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Willie__Wombat:
MOST people don't know where the Pacific Ocean is if you remember the 2000 National Geographic Survey US school children took.

WW<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif The only thing that really proves is that most US schoolchildren that NG surveyed didn't know where the Pacific was in the year 2000, not that most people don't know where it is. Even somebody as dumb as me knows that if you ask the right people, you can always get the wrong answers.

PS
Attu and Kiska maps would be great

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SUPERAEREO
02-11-2004, 09:09 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by nicolas10:
I forgot which squadron of P40 was based there, but they had that huge tiger head in front that looked very good. Damn I can't find my book on the P40 to check out the squad. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

Nic
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Can't remember the squadron number either but they were known as the Aleutian Tigers and Chennault's son was with them (hence the tiger head on the planes).

S!

Zyzbot
02-11-2004, 09:20 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Eagle_361st:
Actually I believe that the first kill of declared WWII was recorded by a P-35 on 8 Dec 1941. I will have to check it was in one of the latest Flight Journals.

~<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

here is a link to the P-35 kill claim:

http://www.flightjournal.com/fj/articles/BetterToBeLucky/Aug_03.asp

AtomicRunt
02-11-2004, 09:57 AM
It was the "Aleutian Tigers"..11th-FS, 343rd-FG....
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Afreaka
02-11-2004, 10:30 AM
So forgotten, I forget.
Fire Balloons - Incendiary Devices Launched by Japan During World War II http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif
http://www.japan-101.com/history/fire_balloons_or_balloon_bombs.htm

Korolov
02-11-2004, 10:44 AM
Don't forget the P-38Es and Fs of the 54th squadron!

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JorBR
02-11-2004, 10:47 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Afreaka:
So forgotten, I forget.
Fire Balloons - Incendiary Devices Launched by Japan During World War II http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif
http://www.japan-101.com/history/fire_balloons_or_balloon_bombs.htm<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Extremely forgotten. Now, if I can remember right, the first almost intact Zero was captured by the US in the Aleutians.

May I suggest B-17s instead of B-24s? Tough job for the Zero anyway.

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DONB3397
02-11-2004, 10:47 AM
Discovery Wings ran an Aleutians WWII program yesterday and I found I have several others in my video library. The Japanese invaded and occupied one island close to the western end of the chain concurrently, as LS said, with the Battle of Midway. They weren't pushed off until a year later, I believe.

I think the U.S. launched regular B-24 bombing raids on northern Japan from a base in these islands.

Cold ten months of the year, I suspect it wasn't a great place to fight a war. The images I recall are a/c taking off and landing in a sea of mud and water during the summer months.

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flyingskid2
02-11-2004, 10:48 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif The only thing that really proves is that most US schoolchildren that NG surveyed didn't know where the Pacific was in the year 2000,<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Why, has it moved? I thought the pacific in the year 2000 was in the same place it has always been.

JV44Rall
02-11-2004, 10:49 AM
For those who have cable, Discovery Wings was running "Aleutian Eagles" on their Those Who Dare program. There's a short blurb at http://wings.discovery.com/schedule/episode.jsp?episode=10&cpi=76807&gid=11708&channel=WNG.

It was a very interesting program. According to Discovery Wings, the Aleutians was a hairy campaign. The USAAC lacked adequate resources and had mostly obselete planes. Nimitz was in charge and the USAAC felt it wasn't being utilized properly. Weather in the Aleutians is almost always bad and constantly changing. Fighters weren't very proficient with instrument-only flying and tucked in close to the bombers. The ceiling was often under 1000 feet. The B-24s and B-17s had to develop low level bombing attack methods.

There was a lot of good film clips of the islands and people involved and some very unusual footage taken over the shoulder of a nose gunner shooting up ground targets as a bomber passed over an enemy position.

I checked the Discovery Wings schedule and Aleutian Eagles is currently out of rotation. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif But it will probably run again sometime soon.

I recommend it to all.

LeadSpitter_
02-11-2004, 10:52 AM
yeah thats where I seen it jv44rall, I knew very little about the Aleutian Eagles before seeing it on discovery wings.

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Chuck_Older
02-11-2004, 10:53 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by flyingskid2:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chuck_Older:
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif The only thing that really proves is that most US schoolchildren that NG surveyed didn't know where the Pacific was in the year 2000,<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Why, has it moved? I thought the pacific in the year 2000 was in the same place it has always been.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

my joke response would be:

Nope, Zoning laws changed

my thoughtful reply would be:

Yep, ocean's in the same place, but schoolkids are supposed to learn eventually. All NG did was prove those kids hadn't learned that yet. My point was: if you pick the right people to poll, you can "prove" anything you like to prove.
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galingula
02-11-2004, 10:58 AM
The Thousand Mile War

By Brian Garfield, is an absolute gem.

isbn 0-553-20308-8

CHDT
02-11-2004, 11:12 AM
The Aleoutians, a very good idea, beautiful landscapes there:



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Cheers,

il_gufo
02-11-2004, 11:19 AM
Discovery Wings channel had a good show yesterday about the Aleutian campaign. What a miserable place to fly. More aircraft were lost to bad weather than combat. They flew P-40s, P-39s, and P-38s. The show said that that was the first theater the P-38 was operationally used in. Later in the war after Attu and Kiska were recaptured they had P-51s for the campaign against the Kurile Islands.

As far as bombers they had B-18s at first, then the B-24, B-17, B-25, B-26.

Good website here on the 11th AF:

http://www.geocities.com/tempelhof.geo/11af.html

jung0l
02-11-2004, 11:22 AM
Quote:Can't remember the squadron number either but they were known as the Aleutian Tigers and Chennault's son was with them (hence the tiger head on the planes).

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wow, i didn't know that; always liked that paint scheme and wondered if it was related somehow to AVG. Thanks


quote:MOST people don't know where the Pacific Ocean is if you remember the 2000 National Geographic Survey US school children took.:

hehehe.....always finding new ways to dis US, huh?

il_gufo
02-11-2004, 11:25 AM
Geez, fast forum. When I first started my reply there was no mention of the Aleutian Eagles show, but by the time I posted after fact checking and getting some real work done here at the office there are several posts already, making mine redundant. I love it.

p1ngu666
02-11-2004, 02:45 PM
i remmber hearing that most american (possibly college/school kids) when asked which country was america thought it was russia http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif (cos it was the biggest so hadto be america)
this was cold war era too i finks http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
now, some humble pie, where is this place? oh just found in text http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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Biggles62
02-11-2004, 03:17 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Eagle_361st:
Actually I believe that the first kill of declared WWII was recorded by a P-35 on 8 Dec 1941. I will have to check it was in one of the latest Flight Journals.

~S!
Eagle
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http://home.comcast.net/~smconlon/wsb/media/245357/site1003.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Over two years after the war started? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif

VW-IceFire
02-11-2004, 03:31 PM
Aces of the Pacific had the Aleutian islands campaign...although it certainly doesn't go very deep into the conflict (it did for a 1991 PC game). I always flew with one of the P-39 squadrons for that http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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DrDave242
02-11-2004, 03:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JorBR:
Extremely forgotten. Now, if I can remember right, the first almost intact Zero was captured by the US in the Aleutians.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Indeed it was. The pilot, Tadayoshi Koga, attempted a gear-down landing on the spongy tundra of an uninhabited island, resulting in a ground loop which broke his neck and likely killed him instantly. (Had he left the gear up, he probably would have survived.) The plane was found and recovered by US forces and its minor damage repaired. It was then tested thoroughly, and the results of those tests influenced, to a minor degree, the development of the F6F Hellcat.

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Captain_Avatar
02-11-2004, 04:25 PM
I thought the first fighter kill of the war was by a P-38 based out of Iceland in '41. Shot down a FW-200 I beleive.

XyZspineZyX
02-11-2004, 06:48 PM
Too bad we only get snow on a few maps.

Snow on the NW Kuban would geographicly represent the Bering Strait.



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Vladimir_No2
02-11-2004, 09:35 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by p1ngu666:
i remmber hearing that most american (possibly college/school kids) when asked which country was america thought it was russia http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif (cos it was the biggest so hadto be america)
this was cold war era too i finks http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
now, some humble pie, where is this place? oh just found in text http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I can't belive that. Or perhaps people are much more stupid than I thought. I wonder what percentage of people [in america] know what planet we live on and could tell the difference between earth and say mars?

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