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BaldieJr
04-14-2004, 11:04 AM
I can fly without the sound of my engine.

Don't blame it on sound card dynamic range. The attenuation and stereo seperation are incorrect.

Please fix it. No more dll 'tweaks'. The sound engine is wrong.

<pre class="ip-ubbcode-code-pre">
______ _____
(, / ) /) /) , (, /
/---( _ // _(/ _ / __ ,""""]
+----/ ____)(_(_(/_(_(__(__(/____/__/ (__--------,' /---+
| / ( / ,' NR / |
|(_/ ..-""``"'-._ (_/ __,' 42 _/ |
+-.-"" "-..,____________/7,.--"" __]-----+

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BaldieJr
04-14-2004, 11:04 AM
I can fly without the sound of my engine.

Don't blame it on sound card dynamic range. The attenuation and stereo seperation are incorrect.

Please fix it. No more dll 'tweaks'. The sound engine is wrong.

<pre class="ip-ubbcode-code-pre">
______ _____
(, / ) /) /) , (, /
/---( _ // _(/ _ / __ ,""""]
+----/ ____)(_(_(/_(_(__(__(/____/__/ (__--------,' /---+
| / ( / ,' NR / |
|(_/ ..-""``"'-._ (_/ __,' 42 _/ |
+-.-"" "-..,____________/7,.--"" __]-----+

</pre>

BaldieJr
04-14-2004, 12:46 PM
Front to back ratio is wrong. There is far to much attenuation.

With very little effort, one can hear every plane in the game except ones own.

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______ _____
(, / ) /) /) , (, /
/---( _ // _(/ _ / __ ,""""]
+----/ ____)(_(_(/_(_(__(__(/____/__/ (__--------,' /---+
| / ( / ,' NR / |
|(_/ ..-""``"'-._ (_/ __,' 42 _/ |
+-.-"" "-..,____________/7,.--"" __]-----+

</pre>

04-14-2004, 01:28 PM
Email Oleg. Although I sympathize with you, kvetching in ORR won't solve anything.

The sound is just plain weird. Sometimes I can hear my wingman's flaps deploying more loudly than my own. You can even hear the wind whistling through bullet holes in nearby aircraft.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Олег Медокс / Oleg Maddox
Происходит это из-за того, что мы ввели новую проверку на железо против читеров. Проверяется разное железо, включая звуковые карты (что теоретически тоже могло бы быть использовано для обмана честных трудящихся. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Who cheats by hacking their sound card? Seriously. Sometimes I wonder why 1C spends what must be hundreds of hours, working on totally obscure code only to have it fail. Then they turn out a quick'n'dirty fix (the latest mg_snd.dll) which Ubi of course never bothered to distribute properly.

The sound engine in this sim has been changed in just about every patch, but for what? Original IL-2 sounded better. The so-called cheat proof version in AEP 2.00 wrecked online play. In the Sukhoi forums Oleg blamed it on "terrifically obsolete hardware".... maybe in in Russia Audigies and SB Lives are considered antiques? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

PlaneEater
04-14-2004, 06:03 PM
You know, my sound card is brand-freaking-new and it doesn't work any better.

It doesn't give me the harsh, bizzare, scraping echoy static artifacts I instantly got when I used 'hardware acceleration' with my 'old' Sb Audigy, but it sure as hell ain't much better.

clint-ruin
04-14-2004, 08:41 PM
I can't actually see anyone even mentioning what card they're using, let alone which driver or settings ?

FWIW I'm using an NForce2s onboard Soundstorm gear and sound in AEP is the best it has ever been - no distortion or weirdness at 32channel/44khz/full acceleration. No mystery noises or crackling or anything that used to happen in previous versions of FB.

http://users.bigpond.net.au/gwen/fb/leninkoba.jpg

HQ1
04-14-2004, 09:38 PM
what sound card do you use ?with my audigy2 i seldom hear the sound except my ac engine maked.

StevenCappu
04-14-2004, 09:45 PM
Another Sound"Basterd"32 maybe. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/1072.gif
This card just have 4 channal in the FB maybe,so all the bugs already fixed by Mr.Oleg will be appears on it.

LuckyBoy1
04-15-2004, 12:33 AM
It's an obscure cheat until someone appears directly overhead and 3000 meters above you like elfin majic! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

At least Oleg cares about the cheating issue and is at least trying to fix it. Give me... and more importantly 1C games a break!

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BaldieJr
04-15-2004, 07:43 AM
This isn't an obscure cheat. Its pretty ****ing simple to do.

Its shamefull. Downright shamefull.

Turn down acceleration by one notch (do away with the excessive echo in the game).
Set windows sound to use 4, 5, or 6 channels.
Tell FB you have multiple channels.
Disconnect all speakers and plug headphones into either your front speakers or your rear speakers, and chose a plane with proper engine placement (rear engine for front channels/ forward engine for rear channels).

The Front/back attenuation is just too damned high. You shouldn't have silence when facing away from an engine.

Also, bass frequencies are not directional. I don't understand why the bass drops out when you aren't looking at the noise producer.

The positional audio in this game is just abysmal.

<pre class="ip-ubbcode-code-pre">
______ _____
(, / ) /) /) , (, /
/---( _ // _(/ _ / __ ,""""]
+----/ ____)(_(_(/_(_(__(__(/____/__/ (__--------,' /---+
| / ( / ,' NR / |
|(_/ ..-""``"'-._ (_/ __,' 42 _/ |
+-.-"" "-..,____________/7,.--"" __]-----+

</pre>

04-15-2004, 04:08 PM
Oh I agree with you BaldieJr. The "sonar cheat" is very real and quite easy to pull off.

The cheat Oleg was talking about, I believe, was a time hack that involved physically modifying a sound card. It remains a purely theoretical exploit.

Rather than correcting the "terrifically obsoltely software", the developers blame the crap sound on workarounds needed to prevent theoretical hardware-based hacks. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/crazy.gif

Agamemnon22
04-15-2004, 06:21 PM
I agree that sound is the low point of this game. But I don't think there's anything to be done about it now, I'd rather Oleg and co. work on building a better sound engine for BoB than rewrite the FB one.

paradoxbox
04-15-2004, 06:47 PM
Agreed guys, the sound "cheats" are way too easy to pull off and in actuallity for some of us there's no way to avoid it. I can hear my wingmans flaps louder than my own sometimes, and I can ALWAYS hear if someone is coming in behind me or on a b&z attack. It's depressing http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif