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Dcom2
04-15-2004, 06:13 PM
Guys n Girls please help. Just re-installed IL2 after having got a bit bored with Loc On. I've installed the game and patched it to 1.22 and all is well....apart from the Joystick. I can't seem to configure the game to allow me to use the Joystick I have (Wingman Attack 2) properly. I have the logitch profiler installed and every control works in the game except the throttle.

Any ideas?

Dcom2
04-15-2004, 06:13 PM
Guys n Girls please help. Just re-installed IL2 after having got a bit bored with Loc On. I've installed the game and patched it to 1.22 and all is well....apart from the Joystick. I can't seem to configure the game to allow me to use the Joystick I have (Wingman Attack 2) properly. I have the logitch profiler installed and every control works in the game except the throttle.

Any ideas?

HexAngel
04-15-2004, 06:46 PM
The only help I can give is that you should post this over in the COMMUNITY FORUM. I have a logitech stich too. So far no problem. But I disabled the profiler in startup. In my opinion this software creates more problems than it solves. Otherwise there is no advise I could give..

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wright_7
04-15-2004, 07:36 PM
Go to Logitec website, download newest drivers.

GK.
04-15-2004, 07:38 PM
never buy a logitech

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Elite_Gizz
04-15-2004, 09:38 PM
amen to that GK.

i made that mistake many moons ago needless to say it stayed on my pc for no more than 1 day and back it went http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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Fennec_P
04-15-2004, 09:55 PM
I like the wingman itself. Its my favorite stick in terms of feel and ease of use. The X45 is big and akward by comparison.

But it breaks every 3 months http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif Unless you constantly badger tech support for replacement sticks, its not practical over the long term.

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sithgod66
04-15-2004, 10:09 PM
What do you guys recommend over Logitech?

Bansai Potato
04-16-2004, 02:06 AM
Theres nothing wrong with Logitech, until recently i used to use a Logitech Wingman Extreme and have been using one of those since the original IL2, for its price (24 from Dabs.com) its great value for money with everything you need 7 buttons, HAT, Throttle and twist rudder, but like HexAngel said do not use the profiler software, delete the profiler software and calibrate the joystick through control panel (gaming options) Then fly as normal. Next birthday if you have plenty of space on your desk get someone to buy you the X45 then get urself some pedals.

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NorrisMcWhirter
04-16-2004, 06:12 AM
Hi,

I had a Logitech Wingman 3D and it has lasted for 12 months. I had to take it apart the other day and stretch the spring a little but now the post that centres it has broken off. Araldite has sorted this but it's not quite the same as it used to be. In fact, it's a whole lot better with no spring in it but that is another story.

The stick wasn't actually that bad and the pots are OK which is the usual complaint.

I now have a MS Force Feedback 2 (had to pay a lot for it cos they are few and far between) and you certainly can tell the difference in precision and quality - as the old adage goes: you get what you pay for. This isn't always the case, though - the X45 is expensive but I didn't like it much; why they put the rudder control where it is I will never know.

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Bearcat99
04-16-2004, 06:28 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by NorrisMcWhirter:
Hi,

I had a Logitech Wingman 3D and it has lasted for 12 months. I had to take it apart the other day and stretch the spring a little but now the post that centres it has broken off. Araldite has sorted this but it's not quite the same as it used to be. In fact, it's a whole lot better with no spring in it but that is another story.

The stick wasn't actually that bad and the pots are OK which is the usual complaint.

I now have a MS Force Feedback 2 (had to pay a lot for it cos they are few and far between) and you certainly can tell the difference in precision and quality - as the old adage goes: you get what you pay for. This isn't always the case, though - the X45 is expensive but I didn't like it much; why they put the rudder control where it is I will never know.

Cheers,
Norris
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ahem.....
Hey Norris... go here (http://store.yahoo.com/saitekusa/recprod.html) and see if there are any reconditioned X45s. If so get one. Use the stick as a button bay and use the throttle quad for a throttle. Between the two sticks you can assign every command you can think of on those sticks and up your immersion factor to the nth degree. You can choose between using the rocker or the twist handle for rudder.... try it... if you see an X45 on sale buy it. They work great together... you will have the best of both worlds.. HOTAS and FFB.

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Tully__
04-16-2004, 07:39 AM
As for the throttle thing....


...have you tried going to the control assignment screen in the game and scrolling right to the bottom to the section under the "Hotas" heading and assigning throttle to the "Power" control?

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BpGemini
04-16-2004, 07:50 AM
Bottom line (to all you Logi haters): To own a Logitech you have to be smarter than the joystick!

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With a little maintenance my Logitech Freedom has lasted for a long time and is still going strong.


As far as the throttle is concerned you can also try to reconfigure it, see if it's being recognized in the profiler.

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Venom079
04-16-2004, 07:56 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by NorrisMcWhirter:
Hi,

I had a Logitech Wingman 3D and it has lasted for 12 months. I had to take it apart the other day and stretch the spring a little but now the post that centres it has broken off. Araldite has sorted this but it's not quite the same as it used to be. In fact, it's a whole lot better with no spring in it but that is another story.

The stick wasn't actually that bad and the pots are OK which is the usual complaint.

I now have a MS Force Feedback 2 (had to pay a lot for it cos they are few and far between) and you certainly can tell the difference in precision and quality - as the old adage goes: you get what you pay for. This isn't always the case, though - the X45 is expensive but I didn't like it much; why they put the rudder control where it is I will never know.

Cheers,
Norris
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Took the words right out of my mouth. Had the same scenario as norris, try and find you a MS FFB2 along with a throttle and you will NEVER look back. I couldn't believe the difference with the quality and response. Suffered for so long with the logicrap wingman, sorry but all bad experiences here...

Oh yeah, thnx to Bearcat cause he sold me on the MSFFB2 decision http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

good luck
Venom

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E_Temperament
04-16-2004, 08:39 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Fennec_P:
I like the wingman itself. Its my favorite stick in terms of feel and ease of use. The X45 is big and akward by comparison.

But it breaks every 3 months http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif Unless you constantly badger tech support for replacement sticks, its not practical over the long term.

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<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Been my experience with Logitech as well. Seems they have cheap trashy pots in them. I'm on my 3rd Wingman force3d after only 9 months since original purchase date, and the current one is going back just as soon as the replacement arrives at Harvey Norman. Logitech Tech Support told me they never have a problem, yeah right.

CRSutton
04-16-2004, 08:53 AM
I bought a Logitech wingman FF at the same time I purchased IL2. I just assumed that IL2 was hard as hell and that I was a lousy pilot. I never could fly the FW190. Turned out my stick was crap. I replaced it with a Saitek Evo about two weeks ago and have played more FB in the past two weeks than in the past year. It is just a crap stick. Replace it and you will see. My saitek was cheap. It is smooth and reliable. It is a twisty stick and I like that over pedals.

Venom079
04-16-2004, 09:02 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by E_Temperament:
I'm on my 3rd Wingman force3d after only 9 months since original purchase date.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

no comment http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif

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E_Temperament
04-16-2004, 09:04 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by CRSutton:
I bought a Logitech wingman FF at the same time I purchased IL2. I just assumed that IL2 was hard as hell and that I was a lousy pilot. I never could fly the FW190. Turned out my stick was crap. I replaced it with a Saitek Evo about two weeks ago and have played more FB in the past two weeks than in the past year. It is just a crap stick. Replace it and you will see. My saitek was cheap. It is smooth and reliable. It is a twisty stick and I like that over pedals.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Is the Saitek EVO a ffb stick and can you buy them in Australia, cause every Store I have looked in hasn't even heard of them.

BpGemini
04-16-2004, 09:20 AM
"Trashy Pots" = poor user maintenance

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BaldieJr
04-16-2004, 09:27 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BpGemini:
"Trashy Pots" = poor user maintenance

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Oh come on. How does a new stick with a trashy pot equate to poor user maintenance? That was my experience with logitech. Not surprising either. Have you seen the insides of those things? Craptasticly cheap pots.

Could they be any cheaper? I think not.

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E_Temperament
04-16-2004, 09:39 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BpGemini:
"Trashy Pots" = poor user maintenance

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What are you trying to say, that I'm supposed to pull it apart after 3 months and then what, no warranty? You talk like a Logitech Technician, Hahaha http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Venom079
04-16-2004, 09:46 AM
E_Temperament, boycott logicrap and your problems are solved http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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BpGemini
04-16-2004, 09:49 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BaldieJr:
Oh come on. How does a new stick with a trashy pot equate to poor user maintenance? That was my experience with logitech. Not surprising either. Have you seen the insides of those things? Craptasticly cheap pots.

Could they be any cheaper? I think not.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


It takes all of 5 minutes max to lube the pots. Once every couple of months and the Logi's run just fine. Then you get to enjoy the upsides to the Logi's. The main downside most people complain about is the pots. Maintain them and enjoy the perks. Just my 2c.

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E_Temperament
04-16-2004, 09:49 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Venom079:
E_Temperament, boycott logicrap and your problems are solved http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Yep http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
I can live with just having it replaced with a new one every three months. Maybe after a couple of years of replacement Logitech might work it out http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

E_Temperament
04-16-2004, 09:56 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BpGemini:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BaldieJr:
Oh come on. How does a new stick with a trashy pot equate to poor user maintenance? That was my experience with logitech. Not surprising either. Have you seen the insides of those things? Craptasticly cheap pots.

Could they be any cheaper? I think not.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


It takes all of 5 minutes max to lube the pots. Once every couple of months and the Logi's run just fine. Then you get to enjoy the upsides to the Logi's. The main downside most people complain about is the pots. Maintain them and enjoy the perks. Just my 2c.

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What are the Upsides and the Perks? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/10.gif

BpGemini
04-16-2004, 10:08 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by E_Temperament:
What are the Upsides and the Perks? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/10.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


http://www.logitech.com/lang/images/0/911.gif

On the Logi Freedom:
Most people love the feel and comfort (bigger deal than you might think)
10 buttons (18 commands on a shift)
Cordless
Sturdy design
User friendly software

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Tully__
04-16-2004, 10:24 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BpGemini:
"Trashy Pots" = poor user maintenance

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18 month old Saitek X45 = no user maintenance and still performing perfectly http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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BaldieJr
04-16-2004, 10:43 AM
The pots are sealed on my logitech stick.

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(, / ) /) /) , (, /
/---( _ // _(/ _ / __ ,""""]
+----/ ____)(_(_(/_(_(__(__(/____/__/ (__--------,' /---+
| / ( / ,' NR / |
|(_/ ..-""``"'-._ (_/ __,' 42 _/ |
+-.-"" "-..,____________/7,.--"" __]-----+

</pre>

Saburo_0
04-16-2004, 10:47 AM
Well, gotta just say that logitech needs to bring back their old cable Wingman Force-feedback stick.
http://www.joy-stick.net/images/wingforce.jpg

Bought back in my EAW days & still going strong!
Love this stick. Curently use it with CH pro pedals & an X-45 throttle which i just use for the buttons & rotaries.

TXTeenPilot
04-16-2004, 11:34 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by GK.:
never buy a logitech
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Never buy a Saitek.. a few months ago I bought one, trigger stopped working within a week.

However, I got two Logitech Wingman 3D Pros after Christmas... one's already having problems turning to the right... I'm returning it this weekend... the other one is working great.

My opinion, I think without the Sidewinder.. there's no truly reliable joystick on the market. I would say the only way to get quality is to up your budget to $100 for a CH Joystick or Yoke.

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BpGemini
04-16-2004, 11:56 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tully__:
18 month old Saitek X45 = no user maintenance and still performing perfectly http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Sure if you want a maintenance free crappy stick be my guest get an X45.

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resev
04-16-2004, 12:41 PM
Logitech is CRAP..........................and i'm on my third one. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/784.gif


I had two of these:

http://www.logitech.com/lang/images/0/104.gif


And now i have:

http://www.logitech.com/lang/images/0/2213.jpg



Seriously, of all the joysticks avaiable on the market, i either can't find them avaiable, of they are extremely uncomfortable, or, the coupe de grace, i can't afford them.
For these reasons, i've allways went with Logitech.
They require a lot of maintenance, but they give confort like no other stick.

I've been messing with my joystick a lot lately, "modding" the crap out of it.

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TXTeenPilot
04-16-2004, 09:14 PM
I have two of that second joystick you show (Wingman Extreme 3D Pro)...

Resev you mentioned it requires a lot of maintenance.. do you think my turning problem I mentioned above could be fixed with some cleaning - even though its only three months old?

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