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China Flanker 1
08-09-2004, 10:39 AM
i think it will be german j8,russia i-16,usa p-11 or so,what do you think http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/icon_twisted.gif

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China Flanker 1
08-09-2004, 10:39 AM
i think it will be german j8,russia i-16,usa p-11 or so,what do you think http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/icon_twisted.gif

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diomedes33
08-09-2004, 10:53 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by China Flanker 1:
i think it will be german j8,russia i-16,usa p-11 or so,what do you think http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/icon_twisted.gif
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Every plane has its strengths and weaknesses. It all depends on what you are fighting. The j8a sucks compared to p-51d, p-11 sucks compared to a FW-190. However these planes should never meet on the battlefield.

The "worst" fighter has more to do with pilot skill than anything. Not that I'm the best pilot or anything. I can hold my own in fw-190 on just about any prop plane in il2. Put me in a Spitfire and I become cannon fodder. Its not the plane's fault, I just don't know how to fly it.

The P-11 and Tb-3 are the only planes that I feel are outclassed by the planes in its era, but they should be. IMO both planes were obsolete by 1940. However, this doesn't say that these planes were not effective. I've read that the pilots who flew the P-11 gave the Germans quite a fight.

Also
P-11 is a Polish fighter, manufactured and designed in Poland (I don't know this for sure, but I know it doesn't have any US influences).

J8A is a Swedish fighter that was imported from Great Britian (Gloster Gladiator).

Edit: forgot to finish my thought, to many things going on at once.

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LilHorse
08-09-2004, 11:05 AM
I think the Zoblomov i-12547865423548875123447599 is without a doubt the worst fighter in IL2-FB. It doesn't have guns. It doesn't even have wings. It's just dropped from a TB-3 and the pilot makes obscene gestures and hurls insults at the Germans in Russian. At least they made it an open cockpit for that, but that's not saying much. This was better than the MK.II version, however, which although armed with rotten vegetables had an enclosed cockpit that could not be opened. So the pilot merely plummeted to earth with a load of compost on board.

fordfan25
08-09-2004, 11:07 AM
anything that was not made in the USA. lol j/k http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

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08-09-2004, 11:11 AM
Everyone I fly..........or is it me?

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08-09-2004, 11:11 AM
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madsarmy
08-09-2004, 11:17 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by S 8:
Everyone I fly..........or is it me?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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JG46_Max
08-09-2004, 11:33 AM
hey how do i become member of the bad pilots association? i am not that bad (casually shoot down a plane) but generally yea i am pretty bad.

michapma
08-09-2004, 11:34 AM
I think that the FW-190 A-4 is the Wurst fighter.

I also think the I-16 is underrated as an effective aircraft for attacking the Bratwurst-Munching Wehrmacht (BMW).

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MPortus_
08-09-2004, 11:49 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>

J8A is a Finish fighter that was imported from Great Britian (Gloster Gladiator).


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ElektroFredrik
08-09-2004, 11:51 AM
The Me-321 transport glider is a very bad fighter.
It's underpowered (has to be towed up to altitude)
undergunned (four wimpy mg15 all pointing in
different directions and aimed by mentally
impaired hamsters http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif) Top speed is a little
quicker than a tired snail carrying shopping bags,
turn rate is a bit quicker than planet Jupiter
(which does 360 deg. in about 10 hours)
roll rate: see turn rate.
The range is directly proportional to the altitude
where the towing plane released you.

The only fighter that could possibly be worse
is a Ho-229 with one WW1 Lewis gun firing up and
left and cruise control stuck at 2000km/h
and the TV constantly playing whatever station's
showing Teletubbies and Spongebob Squarepants
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diomedes33
08-09-2004, 12:01 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by HxPrey:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>

J8A is a Finish fighter that was imported from Great Britian (Gloster Gladiator).


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Sweden http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/10.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

My mistake, I was flying it in the Finish campaign. So I thought it was Finish.

Owlsphone
08-09-2004, 12:13 PM
I don't know about you but whenever I encounter a J8A, I respect the heck outta that little plane. With the way it turns, it can take down anyone if you're not careful.

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BRASSTURTLE
08-09-2004, 12:31 PM
The one pasted to my six & filling me full of holes.

Doug_Thompson
08-09-2004, 12:51 PM
There's a Fiat biplane. That one gets my vote.

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theknightsofni
08-09-2004, 12:59 PM
personally I think the j8a rocks

i've had a few online kills with it! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif (mostly inexperienced ppl tho)

Hunde_3.JG51
08-09-2004, 01:01 PM
Originally posted by michapma:

I think that the FW-190 A-4 is the Wurst fighter.

I also think the I-16 is underrated as an effective aircraft for attacking the Bratwurst-Munching Wehrmacht (BMW).

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Whether your serious or not I don't know, I just had to laugh because this is when the FW-190A was supposed to be in its "glory days" and was considered to be the best fighter in the world (at least in the west). http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif.......http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/51.gif

Oh, and I think the Yak-1 (not the Yak-1B) is one of the worst fighters. It's slow, seems horrible at medium to high altitudes, and it's firepower isn't very good IMO. This is just my impression from flying allied planes during squad training stuff.

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ELEM
08-09-2004, 01:40 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by China Flanker 1:
i think it will be german j8,russia i-16,usa p-11 or so,what do you think http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/icon_twisted.gif

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What connection has the P-11 with the USA? or even the J8A with Germany? 1 out of 3....poor.

I wouldn't join any club that would have ME as member!

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Sarpedon688
08-09-2004, 05:38 PM
Mig 3ud. Under armed and goes up like a roman candle if it gets hit

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p1ngu666
08-09-2004, 05:45 PM
a 109 that isnt a emil.

i16 is a mighty little fighter
j8a is mighty
p11 isnt so mighty anymore http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

the polish bought down more german aircraft than the germans did to them.

which is actully amusingly bad

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WTE_Galway
08-09-2004, 05:54 PM
i have never managed a kill in the storch

Maj_Death
08-09-2004, 06:16 PM
P-11 without a doubt, it is neither fast nor agile. The P-11 is like a barrage balloon, only slower and less manueverable http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif.

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Willey
08-09-2004, 06:35 PM
Against contemporary adversaries the Bf-109G-6 is the worst. If you think you could find anything worse, try the G-6 again with R6 gunpods attached and then you'll have a really bad fighter plane. At least in FB http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/59.gif

Bull_dog_
08-09-2004, 07:29 PM
Speaking in terms of aircraft of similar vintage only in air to air engagements against other fighters:

It is so difficult to tell. Almost all planes have some advantage that if exploited, will lead to victory and there are a few that have almost no weaknesses...those get most of the press...but some of the weaknesses of various aircraft...

Some Migs....poor handling and easy to break up combined with weak DM and weak armament on some. I still like to fly them some.

109F-2 poor armament

Fw's- poor visability and turn radius/energy

P-38's poor compressibility, elevator modelling and energy zoom/dive...the L is way worse off against contemporary opponents than the J...at least the J can outrun 109G's and outclimb A5's

109G-6...mediocre at alot but not great at much w/out boost or mk108's...still climb good and can turn at slow speed

P-47D10/22...can't see much out of that pit and while excellent above 7000 meters...don't get caught at 6,999 meters. A great B&Z aircraft if only you could get a bead on your opponent...in WW view from high altitude, the plane rocks! If only it could dive like a jug

Spit MkV early model...this might raise some eyebrows, but it has small ammo load, can be outrun, outclimbed and generally out turned by vintage 109's and Fw's can match it and kill it if they fly right...although those hispanos are something to be feared.

A6M5...outclassed totally by all 1943 vintage aircraft in speed and most in climb

Yak1 is pretty weak too...all other Yaks though are good against contemporary opponents if flown at the correct altitude.

Hurricane's can be outflown by most contemporary enemies as well...pretty bad. The C version with Hispanos make head ons unpleasant for the enemy though.

I think my vote would be the A6M5 Zero with the P-38L & Mig and Hurricane close behind.

EPP_Gibbs
08-09-2004, 07:31 PM
The LaGG3 was supposed to be pretty grim, nicknamed the "Lakirovanny Garantisovanny Grob" by it's pilots...laquered guaranteed grave. It was resonably fast for it's day but had poor handling, poor climb, and poor acceleration.

It almost put Lavotchkin out of business until he was able to mate it with the Shvetsov M82 radial and turn it into the LA5 in the nick of time, by which time the two 'G's had left him.

I don't know about the FB version of the LaGG, haven't flown it much.

WTE_Galway
08-09-2004, 07:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Maj_Death:
P-11 without a doubt, it is neither fast nor agile. The P-11 is like a barrage balloon, only slower and less manueverable http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif.

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i used to fly the P11c a lot back when i was online

most people regarded it as annoying .. like a big blowfly that was relatively harmless but hard to swat

its main problem was not speed .. it climbs like buggery so you can always dive to get speed up (though the wheels come off at 480kmh) or agility but the fact that it is undergunned and has trouble damaging anything with reasonable armor

even then .. I got a few kills with it online .. including a p39 and a lagg

mortoma
08-09-2004, 07:58 PM
I think that new Yak-7A is a pretty crappy fighter. Although the 7B always has been too. Not like there's much difference really. But at least the 7B is five Kph faster and has slightly better guns.

Mackane1
08-09-2004, 08:06 PM
If given the choice, I would choose to shave my head and chew tin foil rather than fly that Russian rocket plane.

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Bull_dog_
08-09-2004, 09:26 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by EPP_Gibbs:
The LaGG3 was supposed to be pretty grim, nicknamed the "Lakirovanny Garantisovanny Grob" by it's pilots...laquered guaranteed grave. It was resonably fast for it's day but had poor handling, poor climb, and poor acceleration.

It almost put Lavotchkin out of business until he was able to mate it with the Shvetsov M82 radial and turn it into the LA5 in the nick of time, by which time the two 'G's had left him.

I don't know about the FB version of the LaGG, haven't flown it much.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


I've found the Lagg to be very competitive with contemporary fighters...specifically E and F model 109's...can even outclimb them at low altitude...I've not fought online Lagg vs. G-2 and I'm pretty sure a Lagg wouldn't catch a Fw but the VVS planes are typically generous in their flight modeling and Damage modeling as I understand them to be in real life... I rack up lots of kills with the 1941 & 42 Laggs and I don't fly the 43 lagg enough to have an opinion on the matter.

I was always under the impression that Rata's, Lagg's, early Yak's and Migs were death traps to their pilots...that is when and where many German super aces got their kills...it wasn't until the VVS got their second generation fighters, the La-5 and Yak-9 that they became even and those VVS aircraft had issues with thin air and were structurally weak in construction due to the wood that was used and the emphasis on agility and dogfighting... in game, they are very robust...maybe if energy/dive modelling were right Heavy fighters would gain an added advantage and the La's and Yaks would be further hindered by their light construction...just not so in game yet.

WUAF_Badsight
08-09-2004, 10:55 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mackane1:
If given the choice, I would choose to shave my head and chew tin foil rather than fly that Russian rocket plane.
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oh man , i hope you dont mean the P-11

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Lt.Davis
08-09-2004, 11:13 PM
The worst plane... i don't think FB have worst plane. Only have worst pilot... lol cause everytime i fly russian campaign, when i saw 109, i feel like flying 109, but sometime when i fly `109 i feel like fly russian plane. So u get what i mean right.

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VVS-Manuc
08-10-2004, 12:49 AM
worst fighters in FB:
Bf 109 E, F, G, K
FW 190 A, D
Ta 152

Rab03
08-10-2004, 01:23 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Sarpedon688:
Mig 3ud. Under armed and goes up like a roman candle if it gets hit<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif Way better than many. Like in every plane, try not to get hit http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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Matz0r
08-10-2004, 01:42 AM
It has to be the Bf110, slow, very poor roll rate, very large turn radius, bad acceleartion, underpowered and high compressability. Only thing that saves the 110 from being a complete victim is it's A2G capabilities and that you can hook up 2xMk108 in the nose http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

oh and p11 is actually quite good for it's time, it even scored a couple of 109 kills during invasion of poland. I wouldn't call the J8 or I16 bad either, these planes were build pre 1938 and they can be quite fearsome online... cr42/G50 oth...

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Simjock
08-10-2004, 01:42 AM
1941 JU-87...


...whats with those guns???? its like shooting spitwads!

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michapma
08-10-2004, 03:48 AM
Kyrule2, I maintain that the FW-190 A-4 is the Wurst fighter. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hunde_3.JG51:
Originally posted by michapma:

I think that the FW-190 A-4 is the Wurst fighter.

Whether your serious or not I don't know, I just had to laugh because this is when the FW-190A was supposed to be in its "glory days" and was considered to be the best fighter in the world (at least in the west). http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif.......http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/51.gif

Oh, and I think the Yak-1 (not the Yak-1B) is one of the worst fighters. It's slow, seems horrible at medium to high altitudes, and it's firepower isn't very good IMO. This is just my impression from flying allied planes during squad training stuff.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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Cippacometa
08-10-2004, 04:12 AM
Bf.110 is the worst fighter aircraft of the game.
Doesn't run.
Doesn't climb.
Doesn't turn.
Doesn't boom.
Quite fragile.
It just makes a big target, and actually the reargunner is the most dangerous thing of this aircraft when it's engaged in air combat.
Actually, Bf.110 didn't shine in figther role even in real life and despite of its variants bearing powerful nose armament.

Boandlgramer
08-10-2004, 04:17 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hunde_3.JG51:
Originally posted by michapma:

I think that the FW-190 A-4 is the Wurst fighter.

I also think the I-16 is underrated as an effective aircraft for attacking the Bratwurst-Munching Wehrmacht (BMW).

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Whether your serious or not I don't know..... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

no wonder in this forum.
many people here are posting just to provoke other people .
but also some posters think they are the master of jokes . http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif
so he is a typical poster here http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/34.gif

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Bremspropeller
08-10-2004, 05:31 AM
For those who don't understand german: "Wurst" means "Sausage".

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wOrst fighter:

1.) take the TB3 SBP and hand two I-16s with their wings shot off below it...drop them above the target...voil√

2.) take the same combo (but I-16s with their wings on) and let the pilots bail before dropping them...


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nicli
08-10-2004, 06:36 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hunde_3.JG51:
Whether your serious or not I don't know, I just had to laugh because this is when the FW-190A was supposed to be in its "glory days" and was considered to be the best fighter in the world (at least in the west). http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif.......http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/51.gif

Oh, and I think the Yak-1 (not the Yak-1B) is one of the worst fighters. It's slow, seems horrible at medium to high altitudes, and it's firepower isn't very good IMO. This is just my impression from flying allied planes during squad training stuff.
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Personnaly I found the Yak-1 competitive against fighters like the 109Es.

A yak I've got problems with lately has been the Yak-9D : while I really like the Yak-9T and the Yak-9M, with the D model, I can at best survive a dogfight with contemporary plane, and, in a lucky day, get a 109G6 that tried to turn with me at medium speed.

Hunde_3.JG51
08-10-2004, 06:43 AM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif, was tired when I read that so I missed the "Wurst" thing http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif. Like I said, I didn't know if you were kidding or not, at least now I know. Sometimes the spelling here is pretty bad so I wasn't sure.

Oh well, kind of humorous now that I understand. FW-190, the "sausage" fighter.

Nicli, like I said, my impression just came from flying alot of allied planes in training stuff. The Spitifre V, P-40, etc. felt very good but the Yak-1 (not Yak-1B), felt weak.

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China Flanker 1
08-10-2004, 07:03 AM
LOL http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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DeAbajo
08-10-2004, 07:36 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
Also
P-11 is a Polish fighter, manufactured and designed in Poland (I don't know this for sure, but I know it doesn't have any US influences).

J8A is a Swedish fighter that was imported from Great Britian (Gloster Gladiator).
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Yes, P-11 is Polish fighter, designed in Poland in 1933, so even if it has any US influence, it would be in the ackward situation fighting Bf-109...But they "gave" the Luftwaffe what they could...

Funny enough the last biplane that scored the shot in 1944!, was Avia B-534, the 1933 design too...

Zmir88IAP
08-10-2004, 07:40 AM
MiG and early Yaks against Bf109Fs...no advantage.

DeAbajo
08-10-2004, 07:59 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
I was always under the impression that Rata's, Lagg's, early Yak's and Migs were death traps to their pilots...that is when and where many German super aces got their kills...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The kills of GSA came not only from the superiority of the planes, that is discusable anyway, but from the way the Soviets used their fighters...all through the GPW, they were mainly used to cover and protect the ground troops (went into some really drastic threats of the pilots if they would failed), so usually if the combat took place, the GSA were in the great advantage of altitude, at least. Actually there were very few Russion "Hunter" squadrons, that were allowed of free hunting...

johann_thor
08-10-2004, 10:16 AM
zero

Hawgdog
08-10-2004, 01:22 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by p1ngu666:
i16 is a mighty little fighter
j8a is mighty
p11 isnt so mighty anymore http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

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Yup, I'll second that statement AND I know four others who we fly with that dont come here would support that.
The I-16 is vastly underrated killer. Just fly its strengths.
The P.11 is more worthless than anything in the game you see with any frequency. The other ****-planes you used to see just ain't around as much. i.e. the stuka

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TC_Stele
08-10-2004, 02:07 PM
I've come to actually like the P.11 in IL2. I joined a dogfighting server sometime ago that used it. No one was using it so I jumped in it. I noticed that a lot of the players in spits or 109s were having a hard time turning on me which I had to do as I didn't have speed. They were either passing me by too quickly or they couldnt keep up with my dive turn. Some of the more experienced players could catch on and finish me off w/out a problem.

Problem I had, though, was that I only had a brief moment to get an aim and fire and hope that the pebbles I was shooting did some damage. I'd probably agree that it wasn't the hotshot in RL but I was having a lot of fun with it online.

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08-10-2004, 02:19 PM
I AM. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif ooo, you were talking about aircraft......*sound of running feet, car door closing, wheels screaching away*

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crazyivan1970
08-10-2004, 03:26 PM
Should be who`s the worst pilot, not the worst fighter http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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08-10-2004, 03:48 PM
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P-11 without a doubt, it is neither fast nor agile. The P-11 is like a barrage balloon, only slower and less manueverable http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif.

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have you ever flown a P.11c? It outclasses the I-153! Its a fantastic little bird. Of all the early war fighters (I-153, J8A, The biplane fiat, etc) the P.11c is my favorite and the one I do best in.

Its a fantastic airplane. Know what it does? It rocks.

Worst fighter: I'd say the Hawk . . . . .

WTE_Galway
08-10-2004, 06:52 PM
must really agree about the p11

as i said earlier in this thread what it really lacks is any sort of reasonable guns .. its like an Emil without the cannon


when in trouble you can split S when only 150 metres off the ground and people regularly overshoot you and give you great firing solutions .. problem is you do not do any damage to them

VMF513_Sandman
08-10-2004, 07:41 PM
excepting for the field mod and 4x20mm model, the hurricane is junk. literal paintballs for guns. .303 round is worthless to take anything down except maybe for a lucky pk