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FAAdiogenes
08-21-2004, 01:47 AM
For those of us who don't play a lot online... and have played all those "other" Pacific Fighter sims... and know the battle of Midway like the back of their hand...

How about chucking in something a little different this time?

But, judging from the debates about just what exactly comprises the Pacific Ocean - this suggestion may be problematic.

It mainly involves the Philippine Sea (sigh, think of all the battles that name means we won't see!!!), Sunda Straights, Java Sea, Timor Sea, South China Sea and Arafura Sea...
(Though some argue these seas comprise regions called the Western & South West Pacific Ocean...)

Putting aside the one Japanese carrier task force foray into the Indian Ocean and the RN's "working up" operations around Sumatra and Burma...

A Force 63 campaign

This can't start at Palembang as the HMS Victorious, Illustrius, Indefatigable and Indomitable launched their aircraft south west of Sumatra (which puts them on the Indian Ocean side of the island). So much for operation Meridian.

But we could start with operation Iceberg. Mainly because it puts the British task force under direct US command - as Task Force 57, part of the US 5th Fleet.
This was at the time based at Manus Island at the time... part of the Caroline Islands... Pacific Ocean.

The four carriers carried few aircraft compared to the US ships.
29 Hellcats
73 Corsairs
40 Seafires
65 Avenger
9 Fireflys
2 Walrus
But the ships were designed to survive operations close to major land-based airbases in areas such as the Med and Baltic Sea.

And each carrier was different: the main reason for such a diverse range of aircraft type was the stowage limitations caused by different hangar heights!!!!

Campaign series:

1) Operations began on March 26, with an attack on Sakishima Gunto. Airfields, harbours and coastal shipping were hit.
In the ensuing days of combat, Indefatigable was hit by a kamikaze. It's Seafires were landing again within an hour.
"When a kamikaze hits a US carrier it means six months of repairs at Pearl. When a kamikaze hits a Limey carrier it's just a case of: Sweepers, man your brooms" - Indefatigable's US Liaison Officer.

2) Operation Iceborg Oolong. Attacks in the Formosa region against a chemical plant, harbours and two airfields.
About this time the fleet was targetted by several "Baku".

3) Sakishima Gunto. Formidable replaces the Illustrous. Covering and supplementing a naval bombardment by battleships in an attack on airfields. This split the British carriers from their heavy escorts. Three carriers are hit by Kamikazes and free-fall bombs. Delays in deck operations ranged between not-at-all to a couple of hours.

4) Operation Inmate. Small operation between Implacable and woolworths carrier Ruler, to bombard the Truk islands. This time, the carriers did not stray far from the heavier warships...

5) Attacks on Honshu by Formidable, Implacable and Victorious, supporting US & RN battleship bombardment

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FAAdiogenes
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FAAdiogenes
08-21-2004, 01:47 AM
For those of us who don't play a lot online... and have played all those "other" Pacific Fighter sims... and know the battle of Midway like the back of their hand...

How about chucking in something a little different this time?

But, judging from the debates about just what exactly comprises the Pacific Ocean - this suggestion may be problematic.

It mainly involves the Philippine Sea (sigh, think of all the battles that name means we won't see!!!), Sunda Straights, Java Sea, Timor Sea, South China Sea and Arafura Sea...
(Though some argue these seas comprise regions called the Western & South West Pacific Ocean...)

Putting aside the one Japanese carrier task force foray into the Indian Ocean and the RN's "working up" operations around Sumatra and Burma...

A Force 63 campaign

This can't start at Palembang as the HMS Victorious, Illustrius, Indefatigable and Indomitable launched their aircraft south west of Sumatra (which puts them on the Indian Ocean side of the island). So much for operation Meridian.

But we could start with operation Iceberg. Mainly because it puts the British task force under direct US command - as Task Force 57, part of the US 5th Fleet.
This was at the time based at Manus Island at the time... part of the Caroline Islands... Pacific Ocean.

The four carriers carried few aircraft compared to the US ships.
29 Hellcats
73 Corsairs
40 Seafires
65 Avenger
9 Fireflys
2 Walrus
But the ships were designed to survive operations close to major land-based airbases in areas such as the Med and Baltic Sea.

And each carrier was different: the main reason for such a diverse range of aircraft type was the stowage limitations caused by different hangar heights!!!!

Campaign series:

1) Operations began on March 26, with an attack on Sakishima Gunto. Airfields, harbours and coastal shipping were hit.
In the ensuing days of combat, Indefatigable was hit by a kamikaze. It's Seafires were landing again within an hour.
"When a kamikaze hits a US carrier it means six months of repairs at Pearl. When a kamikaze hits a Limey carrier it's just a case of: Sweepers, man your brooms" - Indefatigable's US Liaison Officer.

2) Operation Iceborg Oolong. Attacks in the Formosa region against a chemical plant, harbours and two airfields.
About this time the fleet was targetted by several "Baku".

3) Sakishima Gunto. Formidable replaces the Illustrous. Covering and supplementing a naval bombardment by battleships in an attack on airfields. This split the British carriers from their heavy escorts. Three carriers are hit by Kamikazes and free-fall bombs. Delays in deck operations ranged between not-at-all to a couple of hours.

4) Operation Inmate. Small operation between Implacable and woolworths carrier Ruler, to bombard the Truk islands. This time, the carriers did not stray far from the heavier warships...

5) Attacks on Honshu by Formidable, Implacable and Victorious, supporting US & RN battleship bombardment

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FAAdiogenes
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Zeke52c
08-21-2004, 06:22 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FAAdiogenes:
For those of us who don't play a lot online... and have played all those "other" Pacific Fighter sims... and know the battle of Midway like the back of their hand...

How about chucking in something a little different this time?

But, judging from the debates about just what exactly comprises the Pacific Ocean - this suggestion may be problematic.

It mainly involves the Philippine Sea (sigh, think of all the battles that name means we won't see!!!), Sunda Straights, Java Sea, Timor Sea, South China Sea and Arafura Sea...
(Though some argue these seas comprise regions called the Western & South West Pacific Ocean...)

Putting aside the one Japanese carrier task force foray into the Indian Ocean and the RN's "working up" operations around Sumatra and Burma...

A Force 63 campaign

This can't start at Palembang as the HMS Victorious, Illustrius, Indefatigable and Indomitable launched their aircraft south west of Sumatra (which puts them on the Indian Ocean side of the island). So much for operation Meridian.

But we could start with operation Iceberg. Mainly because it puts the British task force under direct US command - as Task Force 57, part of the US 5th Fleet.
This was at the time based at Manus Island at the time... part of the Caroline Islands... Pacific Ocean.

The four carriers carried few aircraft compared to the US ships.
29 Hellcats
73 Corsairs
40 Seafires
65 Avenger
9 Fireflys
2 Walrus
But the ships were designed to survive operations close to major land-based airbases in areas such as the Med and Baltic Sea.

And each carrier was different: the main reason for such a diverse range of aircraft type was the stowage limitations caused by different hangar heights!!!!

Campaign series:

1) Operations began on March 26, with an attack on Sakishima Gunto. Airfields, harbours and coastal shipping were hit.
In the ensuing days of combat, Indefatigable was hit by a kamikaze. It's Seafires were landing again within an hour.
"When a kamikaze hits a US carrier it means six months of repairs at Pearl. When a kamikaze hits a Limey carrier it's just a case of: Sweepers, man your brooms" - Indefatigable's US Liaison Officer.

2) Operation Iceborg Oolong. Attacks in the Formosa region against a chemical plant, harbours and two airfields.
About this time the fleet was targetted by several "Baku".

3) Sakishima Gunto. Formidable replaces the Illustrous. Covering and supplementing a naval bombardment by battleships in an attack on airfields. This split the British carriers from their heavy escorts. Three carriers are hit by Kamikazes and free-fall bombs. Delays in deck operations ranged between not-at-all to a couple of hours.

4) Operation Inmate. Small operation between Implacable and woolworths carrier Ruler, to bombard the Truk islands. This time, the carriers did not stray far from the heavier warships...

5) Attacks on Honshu by Formidable, Implacable and Victorious, supporting US & RN battleship bombardment

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FAAdiogenes
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Yeah! Without a doubt. Are you reading Ubisoft? This would make the game worth buying alone for us numerous non-American customers, it would even make up for a lack of Burma - just. If Ubisoft havn't got the references for these operations just ask us! The IJN raid on Ceylon saw more air combat than Pearl Harbour. The BPF strikes on Palembang oil refineries were momentous events, with heavy combat and losses on both sides. BPF Corsairs, Hellcats, Fireflies, Seafires and Avengers. There you are - somewhere to put the Seafire 111. The JAAF had Oscars, Tojos and Nicks defending. They used Dinahs to locate the BPF and one-way Sallys to attack it unsuccesfully.
BPF operated in Okinawa campaign, protecting flank towards Formosa. Plenty of Kamikazes too, they bounced off the armoured decks!
BPF off Japan too, final combat of WW2 against Zeros of the 302nd Kok. on 15th August, AFTER combat with USN Hellcats earlier. 4 Zeros for a Seafire and an Avenger which ditched.
Come on Ubisoft how about this one to show you really want to support Forgotten Battles?

RAC_Pips
08-21-2004, 05:06 PM
It would certainly be a varied campaign. And offer the opportunity to from RN decks - landing procedure being quite different to US carriers.

wavy navy
08-21-2004, 10:01 PM
I too would like to see Palembang included and Sakashima gunto. With that, I wouldn't mind if there was no Firefly, Walrus etc.

There was a Brit carrier in the Pacific as early as mid 1943. It was HMS Victorious operating under the name'USS Robin' in concert with USS Saratoga to support operations against New Georgia in the Solomons.After refit in the U.S ( including fitment of an ice cream making machine for the benefit of the yank aircrew who were to embark on her) and working up at Pearl and Espiritu Santo, Victorious embarked one USN fighter squadron (vf-5 I think) and carried three RN fighter squadrons, 882, 896 and 898.In short she was packed to the gunwales with f4f wildcats.All were in USN colours.
Victorious' Avenger squadron 832 went to Saratoga.
From what I can gather, Victorious and Sara were to cover the invasion force against the appearance of an IJN carrier fleet.

I have not found any records of engagements by the fighters, so presume it was mostly CAP duty.
Saratogas Avengers no doubt were involved in some strikes though.

Victorious went back to the states in August 43 and thence to the U.K

Anyone know more?

VW-IceFire
08-21-2004, 11:07 PM
According to our spies at Quakecon...a Seafire Mk III and a Avenger Mk III are part of the campaign list for the Fleet Air Arm.

http://home.cogeco.ca/~cczerneda/sigs/tmv-sig1.jpg
RAF No 92 Squadron
"Either fight or die"

Zeke52c
08-22-2004, 07:57 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
According to our spies at Quakecon...a Seafire Mk III and a Avenger Mk III are part of the campaign list for the Fleet Air Arm.

http://home.cogeco.ca/~cczerneda/sigs/tmv-sig1.jpg
RAF No 92 Squadron
"Either fight or die"<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Good news methinks. This game is starting to look really groundbreaking after all. That's another first!

VW-IceFire
08-22-2004, 08:01 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Zeke52c:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
According to our spies at Quakecon...a Seafire Mk III and a Avenger Mk III are part of the campaign list for the Fleet Air Arm.

http://home.cogeco.ca/~cczerneda/sigs/tmv-sig1.jpg
RAF No 92 Squadron
"Either fight or die"<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Good news methinks. This game is starting to look really groundbreaking after all. That's another first!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
So is the inclusion of RAF SEAC and RAAF operations with the Spitfire VIII (and presumably the Mark V as well).

http://home.cogeco.ca/~cczerneda/sigs/tmv-sig1.jpg
RAF No 92 Squadron
"Either fight or die"

Zeke52c
08-23-2004, 07:47 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Zeke52c:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
According to our spies at Quakecon...a Seafire Mk III and a Avenger Mk III are part of the campaign list for the Fleet Air Arm.

http://home.cogeco.ca/~cczerneda/sigs/tmv-sig1.jpg
RAF No 92 Squadron
"Either fight or die"<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Good news methinks. This game is starting to look really groundbreaking after all. That's another first!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
So is the inclusion of RAF SEAC and RAAF operations with the Spitfire VIII (and presumably the Mark V as well).

http://home.cogeco.ca/~cczerneda/sigs/tmv-sig1.jpg
RAF No 92 Squadron
"Either fight or die"<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

If this is actually true - yehaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!
If you non Brit/Commonwealth chaps out there don't know what SEAC is, it means S E Asia Command. Guess where Spit Vb's and V111's that flew for SEAC usually were? I'll give you a clue, it begins with B, but its not part of another term with a C and an I in it!!
If this is actually true and not a wind-up, I'll personally hunt down the guys responsible and give 'em all a big sloppy kiss for at last including our forgotten airforce! Plus FAA!