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epsilon97
09-10-2004, 09:16 AM
Hello everyone,

What is the best spitfire available in Il-2? Additionally, how does it compare to the other planes in Il-2? What tactics do you use when flying the spitfire? What are its shortcomings?

Thanks,
A newbie desperately trying to learn this game.

epsilon97
09-10-2004, 09:16 AM
Hello everyone,

What is the best spitfire available in Il-2? Additionally, how does it compare to the other planes in Il-2? What tactics do you use when flying the spitfire? What are its shortcomings?

Thanks,
A newbie desperately trying to learn this game.

robban75
09-10-2004, 11:54 AM
The Spitfire MkIXc is capable of fighting any other fighter in the game on at least equal terms. It can outclimb all other fighters except for the Bf 109K-4, it turns just as well as all the other turnfighters like the La-7, Yak-3, Bf 109G-2. At alt it is more than a match for the Ta 152H. The Spitfire IXc is very easy to manouver, the elevators are very responsive even at high speeds although they cannot match the Fw 190 and P-51 in this regard. Rollrate is quite sluggish, especially when compared to the Yak-3, Fw 190, La-7, P-63 and so on. Nevertheless, the Spitfire is still very manouverable, I have no problem conducting loops at an entry speed of 250km/h at 1500m. This is an effective manouver against a Fw 190, as it cannot follow the Spit. It wont work against an La-7 or Zero, but probably against a Yak fighter, much because the Yak has a much more noticable torque effect modelled. The Spitfire IXc has one big advantage over all other fighters though, it wont overheat, and therefore it is safe to go full power during an entire engagement. Beware of the Fw 190's speed, especially the D-9's, it is fast enough to escape if you allow it to build separation during the engagement.

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Resident_Jock
09-10-2004, 12:44 PM
I prefer the Mk. IXe. It's literally just a "c" model but with 2x .50 cal instead of 4x .30 cal. The .50's are MUCH more effective than the .30's, even with only two of them. They make good backups for when your ubercannons go winchester on you. Performance, as far as I know, is unaffected.

Remember to choose the clipped wing model if available, most dogfights take place at an altitude too low to fully take advantage of the long wing's abilities. If the server tends to have alot of dogfights right on the deck you might want to think about the "L.F" version.

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epsilon97
09-10-2004, 12:48 PM
Thank you for your responses. They were great!!

JG14_Josf
09-10-2004, 01:32 PM
Resident_Jock,

That is the best sig I have very seen.

The contrast in focus suggests ominous danger to a vulnerable FW190!

OOOOH please excuse the off topic post.

Resident_Jock
09-10-2004, 01:44 PM
Heh, thank you. I actually grabbed the original from the hi-res screens thread and touched it up slightly. It was already a fantastic image- kudos to the guy who made it!

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VW-IceFire
09-10-2004, 03:15 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Resident_Jock:
I prefer the Mk. IXe. It's literally just a "c" model but with 2x .50 cal instead of 4x .30 cal. The .50's are MUCH more effective than the .30's, even with only two of them. They make good backups for when your ubercannons go winchester on you. Performance, as far as I know, is unaffected.

Remember to choose the clipped wing model if available, most dogfights take place at an altitude too low to fully take advantage of the long wing's abilities. If the server tends to have alot of dogfights right on the deck you might want to think about the "L.F" version.

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Sorry...Spitfire police http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

LF doesn't mean clipped wings. All IX models in FB are LF IX type. LF refers to the engine (a Merlin 66) which was optimized for "low altitude". The real story is that the gear ratios were changed from the Merlin 61 (F IX) and that the supercharger's second stage kicks in at a lower altitude to ensure that the IX was faster than the FW190 at virtually all heights.

As for Spitfire tactics...you should not use your turn advantage except in the offensive attack. Dive in or engage your enemy from a superior angle and use the turn to get you solidly on their six for the couple of seconds you should need to dispatch the enemy. Take too long and many other opponents can use their better roll rate to escape. The Spitfires controls are good at high speeds but not superb and so overshooting can be a problem.

Also be sure to practice with your weaponry. The cannons run out fairly quickly (much quicker than on a FW190 or P-47).

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SlickStick
09-10-2004, 04:02 PM
VW-IceFire wrote: "LF doesn't mean clipped wings. All IX models in FB are LF IX type."

Um, don't we also have the IXe HF?!? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

I also prefer the IXe over the IXc for those schweeet .50s. The .303s are ok, but lack that punch once the cannons run out. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/smileys-gun2.gif

I prefer the clipped wing Spitfire over the regular because the increase in roll rate, to me, is a more important benefit. It really helps in slow turning dogfights.

One last thing about the Spitfire Mk IXs...if they were this good, damn, that Mk XIV is going to be one helluva plane in FB. (if we get it) http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

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VW-IceFire
09-10-2004, 04:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SlickStick:
VW-IceFire wrote: "LF doesn't mean clipped wings. All IX models in FB are LF IX type."

Um, don't we also have the IXe HF?!? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

I also prefer the IXe over the IXc for those schweeet .50s. The .303s are ok, but lack that punch once the cannons run out. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/smileys-gun2.gif

I prefer the clipped wing Spitfire over the regular because the increase in roll rate, to me, is a more important benefit. It really helps in slow turning dogfights.

One last thing about the Spitfire Mk IXs...if they were this good, damn, that Mk XIV is going to be one helluva plane in FB. (if we get it) http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

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Yes yes...the HF too. I mean aside from the HF (Merlin 70) they are all LF's.

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JG7_Rall
09-10-2004, 05:02 PM
The best spitfire? The one that's going into the ground http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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LStarosta
09-10-2004, 05:14 PM
Read my sig, it will allow you to attain Spitfire nirvana...

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berg417448
09-10-2004, 05:24 PM
This one fo course! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif
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LStarosta
09-10-2004, 05:26 PM
Not enough chrome, sorry.

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Arm_slinger
09-10-2004, 05:48 PM
The MK IX i would say, but the MkV is an absolute dream as well, its alot lighter in manoeuvers, not as easy to stall imo, fairly fast if each version is used at correct heights ( a HF MkV in low level stuff can just get above 400 km/h, while a LF MkV can get up to 500 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif)

Both are very easy aircraft to fly, although i think the MkV has the edge in regards to the above http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

To which i will fly in a little while http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Chuck_Older
09-10-2004, 05:53 PM
The Spit IX seems great in FB

In real life the Spit V ("Baby Spit") is loved by actual warbird pilots, but US pilots in the MTO called the Spit IX "The Big Hammer" for good reason

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VW-IceFire
09-10-2004, 06:03 PM
The consensus on Spitfire pilots is that there is no consensus.

Some thought the Mark V was the best harmonized in power to weight. Some thought the IX was the best version....some appreciated the abilities of the XIV despite its problems (high torque, heavy weight, mushed through manuvers more readily than the V or IX).

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SlickStick
09-10-2004, 06:25 PM
"...some appreciated the abilities of the XIV despite its problems (high torque, heavy weight, mushed through manuvers more readily than the V or IX)."

Very true, because even with the slightly diminished maneuverability compared to the Mk V or Mk IX, that extra speed and climb made it so you could go up and get those high-flyin' 109s and FWs and still be the most maneuverable plane up there. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-surprised.gif

The XIV would be the ultimate B and Z machine in FB. What with being able to pretty closely turn with LA7s, Kis and Spit IXs, yet high altitude performance to make the LW boys shudder just a tad. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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theknightsofni
09-10-2004, 07:20 PM
the spitfire with the most cowbell

Bull_dog_
09-10-2004, 08:12 PM
HF IX E...great armament, best high altitude performance of the bunch and just as good at low and medium altitude as the others.

The clipped versions of spit have better roll rates, but worse turning radius. I fly using energy tactics due to the great climb rate so I usually opt for full wingtips....the plane is really good. The spit does have a weakness or two and when I fly luftwaffe aircraft I have to be careful, but I seem to be successful against spits too...I don't go for this uber plane stuff but the spit is one tough adversary.

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Resident_Jock
09-11-2004, 02:32 AM
For the record, I never said the LF had clipped wings. I said clipped wings are good for low alt, as is the LF model.

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Friendly_flyer
09-11-2004, 05:16 AM
The Spitfire Mk.V with full wing is the best turner. If you (like me) prefer the T&B style flying, keeping down on the deck, the Mk. V LF is your bird. However, the 20mm Hispanos has very limited ammo. Also, the Mk.V is a 1941-model, and when flying against late war planes, you really feel you are flying an outdated bird.

In 1941, the Spitfire Mk.V was possibly the best fighter aircraft in existence.

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MEGILE
09-11-2004, 06:07 AM
Depends where the fight is, if its down low in the weeds, SpitfireIXe, and if its up high, Spitfire HF XIe http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
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BfHeFwMe
09-11-2004, 01:53 PM
V - 6 seconds
IXc - 11 seconds
IXe - 16 seconds, worth of hispanios, make mine sweet 16 please. Who needs .50's, but nice added bonus.

mynameisroland
09-11-2004, 02:07 PM
"In 1941, the Spitfire Mk.V was possibly the best fighter aircraft in existence."

You try telling that to the RAF pilots that were getting swatted by the FW190.

The whole reason behind the introduction of the Spit IX series was that the SpitV couldnt handle the 190. The RAF chiefs called off Rhubarbs for a while until the intro of newer planes like the Typhoon and IX

[This message was edited by mynameisroland on Sat September 11 2004 at 01:35 PM.]

WUAF_LtC_Ace
09-11-2004, 02:50 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VW-IceFire:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Resident_Jock:
I prefer the Mk. IXe. It's literally just a "c" model but with 2x .50 cal instead of 4x .30 cal. The .50's are MUCH more effective than the .30's, even with only two of them. They make good backups for when your ubercannons go winchester on you. Performance, as far as I know, is unaffected.

Remember to choose the clipped wing model if available, most dogfights take place at an altitude too low to fully take advantage of the long wing's abilities. If the server tends to have alot of dogfights right on the deck you might want to think about the "L.F" version.

http://thecasualty.homestead.com/files/resident_siggy.jpg <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Sorry...Spitfire police http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

LF doesn't mean clipped wings. All IX models in FB are LF IX type. LF refers to the engine (a Merlin 66) which was optimized for "low altitude". The real story is that the gear ratios were changed from the Merlin 61 (F IX) and that the supercharger's second stage kicks in at a lower altitude to ensure that the IX was faster than the FW190 at virtually all heights.
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The real story is that the gear ratios were changed from the Merlin 61 (F IX) and that the supercharger's second stage kicks ??????????
that supercharger's you talking about


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ArjenKuifje
09-11-2004, 04:10 PM
Oh well, but the Mk I is the best looking one...
As all of us are so thrilled with the graphics, looks do mean a lot, don't they?
(Do we even have a Mk I in FB?)