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XyZspineZyX
09-17-2003, 07:24 PM
S!

I would really like to know how everyone feels about the patch 1.11. I would like to have this poll run for about two weeks and then i d give you a little statistic about the results. Why ? Well, its supposed to be the "final" version, so it might be interesting to the developers and to us to know what their customers think. Maybe its also the last chance to initiate further development of the FMs and so forth.

Please dont flame, whine or argue in this thread, just give a number from 1 to 6, 1 is good, 6 is bad. If you really have to, you can give a very short explanation of your vote.

1= Excellent ! Couldnt be happier. I love it.

2= Its good, i am fairly content, some minor nuisances

3= Neutral, i neither really like or dislike it, its ok.

4= Its not satisfying, too many things i dont like or consider bugs, but i can live with it.

5= Its not good, i feel bad about it and it really spoils my fun playing FB. I consider going back to older versions.

6= Its a piece of crap, i hate it, i am considering stopping to play FB if its not getting better, i am looking for alternatives.


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( i will not vote here personally as i am the starter of this thread and want to keep as neutral as possible.)

XyZspineZyX
09-17-2003, 07:24 PM
S!

I would really like to know how everyone feels about the patch 1.11. I would like to have this poll run for about two weeks and then i d give you a little statistic about the results. Why ? Well, its supposed to be the "final" version, so it might be interesting to the developers and to us to know what their customers think. Maybe its also the last chance to initiate further development of the FMs and so forth.

Please dont flame, whine or argue in this thread, just give a number from 1 to 6, 1 is good, 6 is bad. If you really have to, you can give a very short explanation of your vote.

1= Excellent ! Couldnt be happier. I love it.

2= Its good, i am fairly content, some minor nuisances

3= Neutral, i neither really like or dislike it, its ok.

4= Its not satisfying, too many things i dont like or consider bugs, but i can live with it.

5= Its not good, i feel bad about it and it really spoils my fun playing FB. I consider going back to older versions.

6= Its a piece of crap, i hate it, i am considering stopping to play FB if its not getting better, i am looking for alternatives.


II/JG54_Zent
( i will not vote here personally as i am the starter of this thread and want to keep as neutral as possible.)

XyZspineZyX
09-17-2003, 07:27 PM
2

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XyZspineZyX
09-17-2003, 07:29 PM
2

I do miss the guns DM from 1.0 straight out of the box and back then it seemed a hair slower in how dogfights felt.

Would like to see a few planes redone (P39 down, P47 up, FW190 roll rate reduced) but this is why I give it a 2.

Still the best thing on the market and still plenty of fun to fly.

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XyZspineZyX
09-17-2003, 07:30 PM
2

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XyZspineZyX
09-17-2003, 07:31 PM
It would of been nice to have some planes to go with it/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-17-2003, 07:32 PM
Put me down for a "4".

Sorry the FMs of many of the a/c don't seem to match the historical record. Takes some of the fun away for me. But, I'm still flyin'. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

XyZspineZyX
09-17-2003, 07:33 PM
5

The P-47 still bleeds too much E, is too slow on the deck, and the D-27 hasn't been touched w/r/t roll, and of course the glass jaw engine, n/m that it was one of the toughest ever built. *And* the lack of manual wastegate control, lack of function turbo or temp gauges, and the crappy bogus MG spread.

The 109s have been neutered of their historic climb rates. Radiator drag is a bit excessive.

LaGGs don't overheat.

La's turn several seconds too quickly.

The larger e-bleed and heat of the 190 vs the La's never (and still doesn't) make any sense.

The 190's view is screwed.



That's all I can think of at the moment. I'm certain there's more too.

ZG77_Nagual
09-17-2003, 07:37 PM
2

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XyZspineZyX
09-17-2003, 07:40 PM
2 for me too!

XyZspineZyX
09-17-2003, 07:42 PM
2

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09-17-2003, 07:43 PM
2

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XyZspineZyX
09-17-2003, 07:43 PM
2

XyZspineZyX
09-17-2003, 07:59 PM
5

XyZspineZyX
09-17-2003, 08:06 PM
3 - its progress at least, even if slow progress.

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XyZspineZyX
09-17-2003, 08:13 PM
2

LaGG-3 v41 don't overheat.



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XyZspineZyX
09-17-2003, 08:14 PM
2

XyZspineZyX
09-17-2003, 08:18 PM
2

I think that a 2 is pretty darn good at this point, considering the nature of this program. There are a couple of things that I wish were different, but the bottom line is that we now have a very good game, with thhe bare minimum amount of bugginess.

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09-17-2003, 08:19 PM
5.99

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XyZspineZyX
09-17-2003, 08:38 PM
1.1b was better FM-wise even with all its obvious bugs and sound problems. The 109 series was not slaughtered back then.

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Please fix (in order of importance): LaGG-3 durability, P-39 climb, MG151/20 ammo count in 109's, downgrade Rata a bit, fix G6 weight, give Emil's automation 200rpm more (now it keeps rpm's at 2300rpm with 110% throttle while 2500rpm is safe), downgrade 190 roll, change B-239 speedometer to metric system. More to follow, perhaps.

XyZspineZyX
09-17-2003, 08:48 PM
4

XyZspineZyX
09-17-2003, 08:50 PM
2.

XyZspineZyX
09-17-2003, 08:54 PM
1

XyZspineZyX
09-17-2003, 08:55 PM
2

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XyZspineZyX
09-17-2003, 09:00 PM
2
I really want to give it a 1 but with the sound cutting in and out the way it does I just can't.

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XyZspineZyX
09-17-2003, 09:00 PM
4



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XyZspineZyX
09-17-2003, 09:04 PM
1
overall - for the best sim out there

2 for IL2 FB - maybe some small changes here and there - but only because we are greedy people

XyZspineZyX
09-17-2003, 09:07 PM
4


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XyZspineZyX
09-17-2003, 09:07 PM
5 !!

XyZspineZyX
09-17-2003, 09:08 PM
5
Disappearing AI planes spoils realism.
Sound still bad.
Unable to keep up with rest of flight in offline campaigns.

XyZspineZyX
09-17-2003, 09:33 PM
4

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XyZspineZyX
09-17-2003, 09:38 PM
2 - sound is still bad.



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XyZspineZyX
09-17-2003, 09:44 PM
Good: Some bugs fixed.
Bad: Most bugs not fixed.
Worse: New bugs added.

At this rate it will be 2006 before even the obvious bugs are patched, not to mention the little stuff. Of course, its more likely they will just stop supporting FB...

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XyZspineZyX
09-17-2003, 09:53 PM
4

I don't really care about the FM, if some plane rolls 1 degree/sec too slow, or if some other plane is 10 km/h too slow. I fly 100% offline, so I do care about the problems in offline campaigns, like kills not counted, pilots that are not in my unit showing up as my wingmen and not being able to quit a mission (which leads to a corrupted career that I can't continue).

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XyZspineZyX
09-17-2003, 09:55 PM
~S!

2, its a process and improving bit by bit.



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XyZspineZyX
09-17-2003, 10:02 PM
S!

1 because it's the best flight sim out there (LO-MAC will be the best when it arrives, HOPEFULLY)

2 because the bugs are all not getting fixed.(AND i'm greedy for a better flight sim)

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09-17-2003, 10:03 PM
2

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XyZspineZyX
09-17-2003, 10:03 PM
2.4.. Offline play is still lacking, unfortunately.

XyZspineZyX
09-17-2003, 10:10 PM
2

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XyZspineZyX
09-17-2003, 10:11 PM
3. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

XyZspineZyX
09-17-2003, 10:11 PM
2

Favours VVS far to much

XyZspineZyX
09-17-2003, 10:17 PM
I'd say between 3 and 4, mostly due to sounds bugs that the
FB 1.0 never had, I still don't understand why they tried to fix something that was not broke to begin with. I had no problem with the original FB sound. Plus they neutered the late 109s a little too much and the 262 still goes fast but doesn't retain energy very well, like it should.


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XyZspineZyX
09-17-2003, 10:28 PM
I wote for 6

XyZspineZyX
09-17-2003, 10:53 PM
I'll give it a nice big number 2.

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XyZspineZyX
09-17-2003, 11:08 PM
Question just for kicks - everyone who voted 2 or 1, what plane(s) do you fly?

XyZspineZyX
09-17-2003, 11:10 PM
rgr that DDT

5.99 flying da K4

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XyZspineZyX
09-17-2003, 11:17 PM
2

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XyZspineZyX
09-17-2003, 11:22 PM
5

The 109 series is slaughtered /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

XyZspineZyX
09-17-2003, 11:22 PM
2

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XyZspineZyX
09-17-2003, 11:28 PM
4 to put it shifted tword the negative side. Guns are erratic at best, some of the weapons and damage effects are lame and really went backwards like unkillable exposed gunners. I still can't get fighter bombers to attack certain targets, they dump their bombs than attack the ground threats with guns?

Why they always try rebuilding the complete game and not just tweaking whats already there is beyond me. Once again new game that needs tweaking sorely.

XyZspineZyX
09-17-2003, 11:31 PM
Still have sound problems, unfortunately. Other than that, quite content to wait for the next.

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XyZspineZyX
09-17-2003, 11:36 PM
BlitzPig_DDT wrote:
- Question just for kicks - everyone who voted 2 or 1,
- what plane(s) do you fly?

Mainly early 109s, and 190s. In online dogfight servers with fully open aircraft choices I usually fly La-5FN/7s or Yak-3s, 'cause I'm not a good enough pilot to get anywhere with energy fighters like the late Luftwaffe aircraft.

fluke39
09-17-2003, 11:38 PM
2

... and i fly the LaGG3 series 4 and bf109G -6 - i prefer the lag as i like turn fighting more than BnZ - i'm too bad a shot to BnZ properly

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XyZspineZyX
09-17-2003, 11:40 PM
4-5

There are still obvious things to fix, keyword: 109, some parts of patch are good though.

XyZspineZyX
09-17-2003, 11:43 PM
2

Reason for not giving 1 ? Well - I don't want Oleg to get too confident http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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Fly VVS planes in squad
109s for fun (they're awesome)

Fly mainly early years

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XyZspineZyX
09-17-2003, 11:43 PM
5 (but i only fly 109s)

After it was refeuled i climbed in.With many manipulations the mechcanics started the turbines.I followed their actions with the greatest of interest.The first one started quite easily.the second caught fire.In no time the whole engine was on fire.Luckily as a fighter pilot i was used to getting quickly out of the cockpit.The fire was quickly put out.The second plane caused no trouble - Adolf Galland (first time in a ME262)

XyZspineZyX
09-17-2003, 11:46 PM
4 - Hurricane is broken and 109's just aren't right.



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XyZspineZyX
09-17-2003, 11:55 PM
4

Oleg and his team ignored Wastels research about the FM of the 109s.
Additionally he insists, that the cockpit of the 190 is correct, which has been proved wrong by Cirx /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif (again /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif ).

If he would have corrected both issues, I would vote 2-3 /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif . For a "2" he should have tuned the whole FM once again: Some performances are totally off. E.g. the initial climbrate of the La7 is way too high with 30m/s (and the turntime at 1000m is too optimistical, too /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif ), as it is for all other Lavochkins. The I16 climbs with 24,5 m/s /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif , which is nearly as high as the historical climbrate of the K4 /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif .

The program of Youss shows the shortcomings of the FM very well !


The DM needs some work, too.
The IL4 and its series absorb way too much <=20mm ammunition In my opinion the difference between the Hispano, the ShVAK and the MG151/20 is too strong: The Hispano and the ShVAK should have better ballistical performance, but the MG151/20 should cause more structural damage to its target, because of the Minengeschosse !

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XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 12:06 AM
2
Fix the FW 190 cockpit
ME performance
Rifle calibre MG's



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XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 12:12 AM
2 (rather respectable I say), If no `dynamic` campaign would have been a 4!

AI still needs a little more work in Formation flying. No escape from enemy areas possibly. And no Spitfire.

Still the best sim ever bar none!


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XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 12:18 AM
4 Here!

I actually uninstalled the game and reinstalled. Now I only have the 1.1b. I liked that one better than 1.11. The P-47 sucks in 1.11.

XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 12:21 AM
2 for me! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Lovin it! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 12:49 AM
I WAS starting to like the Emil.

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XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 12:50 AM
BlitzPig_DDT wrote:
- Question just for kicks - everyone who voted 2 or 1,
- what plane(s) do you fly?


I'd vote 2 myself but only because there are still sound issues. They are greatly improved from previously though.

To answer your question DDT, I usually fly Luftwaffe aircraft but tend to avoid the late war ones. Occasionally I'll try the Soviet aircraft because they're there. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif



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XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 03:41 AM
FIVE - 5

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09-18-2003, 03:50 AM
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XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 04:25 AM
those thingys on the front of the plane, the things the go flash when you pull the trigger. Are they suppose to do something on the 109s and the P-47? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 04:25 AM
2

XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 04:41 AM
8.

It is not a patch at all. It is more like a virus.


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XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 04:56 AM
no...I am not content...a 4 or 5...109's changed for the worse...dirty windshields...190 view is wrong...all LW "historical" faults modeled...VVS faults are forgotten about..Stalin would be proud.

XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 04:59 AM
a difinitive 2.5/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif



Message Edited on 09/17/0309:00PM by tenmmike

XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 05:04 AM
1.7 /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 05:38 AM
5

XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 05:42 AM
2. Its good, i am fairly content

XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 05:51 AM
2 for the Russians!

4 for the Germans!!!!

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XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 06:34 AM
Don't know.

I've downloaded the patch but I haven't installed it yet./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif



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XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 06:37 AM
5 for the Germans

XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 06:45 AM
3

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09-18-2003, 06:46 AM
2

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XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 07:05 AM
Well I loved it when I first got it, and would have given it a 1.
Patch 1.1b I had no problems with and all was still a 1.

Patch 1.11 makes it more of a 3 though. I never had any bugs that I noticed in the earlier patches. I was getting to like the BF-109.

1.11 I hate to add to the list but it's bad. I normally fly russians but online I like to keep things balanced. I wind up many times with no other option, but the BF-109. I have yet to make a single air to air kill or even stay alive in one.
It doesn't turn, it doesn't climb, and I find people coming in fast on my 6.
It's too the point that when online I'll take any other aircraft then any of the BF-109 series. Be it even a Stuka.

XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 07:25 AM
4 (FOUR)

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109s have been nerfed down beyond believe in total discrepancy towards real life data.

Early VVS planes like I16, LaGG still have arcade DM, CEM

Still there is no alternative to IL2 (yet - otherwise it would been a 6)

XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 07:35 AM
4

XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 07:48 AM
5

Bf109 FMs

P39 Climb rate.

Muted sound on stall-buffet.

A USAAF pilot on escort duty over Germany described his job as hours and hours of boredom interrupted by moments of sheer terror
Well... it's just the same for us DRIVING INSTRUCTORS !!!

XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 07:49 AM
5

XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 07:56 AM
5

greetings, Franz

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XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 07:57 AM
4

XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 08:01 AM
2

XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 08:09 AM
2

Dubious sound in places

R_R

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XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 08:15 AM
4 due to sound issues


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XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 08:25 AM
4 - 5

XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 08:38 AM
2

Sound is better but still buggy.

FMs are cool besides the P39UFO.

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XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 08:52 AM
2

XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 09:12 AM
5!!!!
I don't mind if the sound would still be as it is, but it's not possible to fly a 109 against any Red Fighter.
The 109 becomes the worst plane in FB but still is the standard fighter of OKL. So it's not ok for me to see people choosing 1 to 3 here.
I'm not that kind of player that would be called "whiner", but in that case it's not possible for me to say "I can life with that".
Hopefully there would be a change in the FM/DM again to bring the OKL and VVS Pilots back to more equally planes.


Patre

XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 09:19 AM
5

XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 09:26 AM
1

& for the guy who asked what type of planes "high-graders" fly - whichever takes my fancy.

I am a more casual, broad-background simmer who enjoys full real sometimes, arcade-ish sometimes, FS2004 sometimes. Everything in moderation (apart from CFS3).

Although casual simmers make up the majority of the market, its easy to forget that when reading some of the egos, aggresive attitudes, hype, eccentricity, stubborness & general BS that is published on this board.

I appreciate that many are deeply passionate about aviation & the way it is portrayed in IL2-FB. But please try to stay mature & polite.

Top marks for the best flight-sim ever from the quieter majority.

XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 09:33 AM
2.

I like the patch. It cured nearly all the major bugs that I'd noticed (killer head-on shots from AI etc), but it seems to have introduced a few odd things whith it. The Fw 190s now roll far too quickly at high speed and the MW50 equipped Bf 109s seem to overheat faster than they should. I still get stutter on sounds and have to turn off wingman radio chatter. Otherwise very good indeed.

Regards,

RocketDog.

XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 09:45 AM
5

XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 09:51 AM
4

No inovations with online play. Things like FbDaemon and newView should be in here imo.

Offline campaign is weak.

Some Fms just dont make sense when you're reading the object viewer.

Uberbig muzzle flashes.

But the single missions are awesome.

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XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 10:26 AM
I'm not satisfied (4).

I got some big sounds issues with 1.11 that replaced the sound fading. Overall I think the sound gestion is very poor in FB. I wish the sound of Il2 had been retained unchanged.

Not really bugs but I'm tired of the FMs going all over the place all the time. One a plane looks more or less realistic, and it changes completely over the next patch to be totally ^‚¬®uber or porked. Then it's replaced in other patches.

I'm very satisfied in the patch regarding the net code. I don't know if it's a coincidence or not, but online playing has been very smooth since 1.11.

Oh and I hate the disappearing AI. I really really hate it.

And by the way I usually fly the D9, My rating has nothing to do with the "quality" of the plane I am flying.

Nic

Message Edited on 09/18/0311:41AM by nicolas10

XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 10:43 AM
Boy - this is hard. I give it a 4. Why? Because:
even though the sound is fixed and I think the flight models are better, -

1) I still can't play online (freeze),

2) the friendly AI still fly at MAX power in offline campaigns and I end up far behind,

3) the Mixture don't work for most P-40s and all P-39s,

4) the P-47 RPM does not reach combat setting,

5) the AI disappear when they land (so much for immersion at end of mission) and

6) The in cockpit visbility sucks in a 109 and in Yaks (too dark) when using no icons (worse than real life - another frustration). I played WWII fighter and EAW with no icons and no padlock and loved it.



If I could play online I would give it a 3 or higher.

XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 10:49 AM
My personally opinion: 1

XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 10:52 AM
Just a note...

Everyone's system is different and I understand it is very hard to write a program that works perfectly on everyone's system.

I have no sound issues with FB
I have no online issues with FB

In fact tha only issue I have is the way the BF-109 was changed from 1.1b to 1.11 I'm learning slowly to adapt to that.

I really love this game all in all. I personnaly haven't played anything better.

I think a lot of bugs have more to do with people's systems than the software. Maybe not the actual hardware, but the way it's setup.

Heck even Microsoft can't make an operating system thats not jammed full of bugs, and works right on everyone's system. We all know how much money, and how many programmers they have.

XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 11:17 AM
I'll give a 2 but I have one thing that really really really bugs me and big time, Even sent a letter to Oleg about this :

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Oleg, I been flying the IL2 since I bought IL2 in January 2002, I bought FB. Our squad has 1 group of pilots who fly the IL2 exclusively. I am the Captain of that group.

Been building series like Leningrad, Moscow, Black Sea, Caucasus, Stalingrad, Kursk and so on. We're a group of people who love the IL2. But since FB, you have changed the damage model of all the planes, and the IL2 have become so easy to be damaged, thus becoming un-flyable. Interestingly, from the pressur of Stuka pilots, since 1.1b and 1.1 (I know this should have not leaked from Ubi) , the Stuka have become immensly difficult to damage, and in reverse the IL2 is now like a piece of cardboard. My main concern is when we loose surface controls, especially elevators and ailerons. My question is, was the plane that fragile ?

When we read reports from FW190's pilots emptying half of their ammo to down a single IL2's back in WWII, where is the sturdiness of the IL2 ? I wonder if the pressure from Luftwaffe pilots in forums have stressed you to make the IL2 so weak now, because those same pilots can't down an IL2, either offline or online. I have to return to the easiness of loosing surface control, I been wondering since FB, why would these cables get so easy to break, rendering useless the abitity to fly the plane anymore.

For example, yesterday night, I'm hosting missions as usual online, I been hosting since the first day of IL2, I have now a nice connection where it is lag free, even with 16 players. One of the clients was JV44_Boelcke, a regular player flying LW who loves to come in play online with us. The same guy was flying a BF109E, nice pilot and all, and at one point, we met... I was in external, he did a deflection shot and touched my right wing and aileron. From his point of view, he saw two 20mm hit on the wing only.... And then I see the message, elevator control damage .

May I ask why being hit on the wings bring my elevators to loose total control ? This is an example of many frustrating events happening in a IL2. Few days before, a Stuka gunner - 2x7.9 mm (MG 81Z) actually cut my wing off, I was turning, and he literally cut my right wing. There was no other planes, and this happened when I was following that Stuka. I was hosting mission, so AI for me don't lag. Another mission, Brewster, with their 12.7mm machine gun did the same on a single pass on my IL2.

Oleg, this is getting frustrating, the IL2 was a "flying tank" according to history book. I do not question when the plane is full of holes from multi-hit, therefore the plane is more difficult to fly. But loosing surface controls constantly will eventually makes quit FB, quit making historical mission.

Another thing, the IL2 in FB 1.0 was a nice plane to fly. Interestingly now, I have this notion that possibly 30% of the full deflection of the elevators are gone, therefore the ability to defend ourself is reduced. Is it possible again that the flight model of the IL2 was "whine" by Luftwaffe pilots in forum, then you changed the numbers to accomodate them ?

To conclude Oleg, I try not you to never bother you with issues like this, but from my point of view, and other IL2 pilots encountered online, we're starting to loose faith in our beloved plane, where we learnt to fly it, learnt to love it. Unless the issue is that IL2 pilots are a minority, and all that counts is dogfight, and dogfight planes. Please give us back that "flying tank" it used to be. IL2 was the flagship plane of the game, and now it has become so weak that it will become forgotten for good, since there will be no more pilots flying it.

Thanks for reading

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Another thing that bothers me is this, since a while now, I noticed that with every patch, FM is changed for so many planes (VVS, Axis), sometimes one plane gains, the others loose, then it changes again and again... What I do not comprehend is this. Oleg and his crew has numbers.. datas of each planes, which are part of a large data base. Why on earth planes would changes so drastically since these numbers are on "papers". I'm sorry to say but Oleg and crew are loosing integrity by changing of planes everytime a group of people whine on a particular plane, then he makes adjustments. My point is, he has numbers, he should strictly use them, irrelevant of how many groups are whinning left and right...

You may say, the first part of my letter is actually this, whinning... but the DM of the IL2 is so stupid now, that I cant conceive the plane was so easy to loose surface control. The VVS produced 37,000 IL2 during the war, yes there was a lot of planes lost, a lot.. But if it was that bad, they would have went to another engineering bureau to find a replacement. The IL2 was the most important plane of the VVS to repulse German presence on Soviet soil...

One more thing, I have noticed since FB, that the numbers of human returning from a mission (I play a lot on HL, many of you knows me) has drop to ridicule numbers, I compare this to the IL2 days where over 50% of players made it back home.

I prefered and by far the damage model of IL2 1.2 to what we have now, although we have some nice features with the current dammage model, like when your wings has holes, it will modify the aerodynamic of the plane, this is is awesome. I say prefer the DM of IL2 by saying that back then, you had to "work" your opponent to bring him down, now I feel that its rather easy to bring an opponent down.


Eric - DR Hangar @ IL2 Hangar

XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 12:38 PM
Give it a solid 2. All nuisances minor in the overall scheme of things. This is by far the best game I've ever played. The continued involvement of Oleg and his team and their desire to make a great game even better is exceptional. Unfortunately, too many of us seem to get caught up in the minutia of what small details could be improved to the detriment of our overall enjoyment of a great sim. We shouldn't fail to appreciate what we have and the people who gave it to us.

XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 12:53 PM
5 german bf's poor

XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 01:02 PM
5
v1.1b is the one

XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 01:20 PM
3

Cannot complain about FMs..as I have never flown the real thing. Nor can it really be a complaint that a certain FM is 'no good' just because it doesn't suit you.

Other than that:

Sound is still intermittent.
Odd joystick control effects (waggling).
I have a perception that performance is slightly poorer graphics-wise.

Norris

XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 01:30 PM
5

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XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 01:30 PM
2.

The a/cs that are told to be undermodelled are not among my favourites, so I don't really appreciate the problem and the differences between FB versions.
My only little complains:
- 109s engine fragility makes manual prop pitch useless... but since auto works fine, that's really a minor one.
- AI is ok, but still - sometimes - performs weird actions.



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XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 01:40 PM
2.5

XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 01:49 PM
-> 5

FM Bf109?

XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 01:57 PM
of course 5

XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 01:59 PM
5

XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 02:01 PM
The 1.11 "Fianl" patch sucks

I m going looking for another Sim if 1.11 is about to stay forever.

I give it a fuc.... 6"!

XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 02:03 PM
Patre wrote:
- 5!!!!
- I don't mind if the sound would still be as it is,
- but it's not possible to fly a 109 against any Red
- Fighter.
- The 109 becomes the worst plane in FB but still is
- the standard fighter of OKL. So it's not ok for me
- to see people choosing 1 to 3 here.
- I'm not that kind of player that would be called
- "whiner", but in that case it's not possible for me
- to say "I can life with that".
- Hopefully there would be a change in the FM/DM again
- to bring the OKL and VVS Pilots back to more equally
- planes.
-
-
- Patre
-
-


Patre, you _can_ fight effectively using a 109, against all / most planes. There are tracks floating around on the net where you can see proof of that.

The real problem is the AI -- they can't make good use of an energy fighter like the 109. Most people not recognizing this do it because they don't fly LW. And that's fine with me.

I guess we'll see the "other side" join us in the whining when the P38 comes in an add-on.. I bet the Zero will become the most powerful fighter in the game, since it's so well suited for the AI "bag of tricks".

XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 02:03 PM
4.

109 FM and 190 cockpit, mostly.

XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 02:11 PM
5



@maxmars: "you is wrong!"

Message Edited on 09/18/0301:19PM by thomka

XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 02:17 PM
2

XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 02:18 PM
5-6

Thanks for the K4 rudder lol
Thanks for the additional bricks in 109er
Anf for this 'corrected' Emil. No need to affect the Stick anymore, cause it has no effect anyway. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 02:25 PM
I'm missing this point in the argenda:


7) we need a new patch 1.2 and the intention of the
developer to change old wrong things + bugs

XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 02:28 PM
Starfighter that is "6" u have to vote for "6" then.

XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 02:29 PM
@maxmars.


Maybe I'm wrong. I just could not belive that my teammates and I could not escape some i16 in a fast fall.

XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 02:33 PM
5
5
5
5
5
5

This patch 1.11 its a joke for all Luftwaffen Pilots

S!

Message Edited on 09/18/0303:41PM by Wittig

XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 02:43 PM
I'll choose 3.

Offline campaign is still lacking.

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XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 02:46 PM
Hi all,

2 for me too.

In general, a very good patch.

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XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 02:51 PM
Oh btw... I forgot two things that I think suck big time:

Auto prop pitch is totally unefficient for german planes, and you are forced to use manual pitch to get decent performance.

On the other hand you don't need to touch prop pitch at all on the VVS fighers even though they all have manual pitch control. Just keep it at 100 and let it go.

Also I find it doubtful that the most stable gun platform in the game is the LaGG3. Planes like Fw190 is a very unstable gun platform while it was supposed to be a good one.

Nic

XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 02:53 PM
4

XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 02:58 PM
Solid 2

If only they would open up more maps for single play QMB (although I know this has nothing to do with the patch). Hooray for Uberdemon's UQMG.



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XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 03:00 PM
3
-109 problems
-LaGG 3 overdone

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XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 03:04 PM
A solid 2.

MM

XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 03:07 PM
4= Its not satisfying, too many things i dont like or consider bugs, but i can live with it

Well more like

4= Its satisfying, but too many things i dont like or consider bugs, but i can live with it




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XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 03:27 PM
A 1 all the way. I haven't been this happy since I last played Aces over Europe four or five years ago /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

And I only play offline, if you must know /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 03:30 PM
4

final patch!!!???/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

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XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 03:52 PM
definatley 5!

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XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 03:53 PM
I guess I would say #2.
But that is because I am anticipating another patch that will address those nuisances.If that don't happen my opinion will change.

XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 04:03 PM
5

XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 04:14 PM
2

XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 04:18 PM
3====the sound the Me109 the netcode

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XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 04:18 PM
nicolas10 wrote:
- Auto prop pitch is totally unefficient for german
- planes, and you are forced to use manual pitch to
- get decent performance.
- On the other hand you don't need to touch prop pitch
- at all on the VVS fighers even though they all have
- manual pitch control. Just keep it at 100 and let it
- go.

How many more times do we have to read BS like this? There is a difference between Variable Pitch Props and Constant Speed Props. With 5000 posts under your belt you should be aware of this. Quit spreading disinformation.

Edited because I forgot to vote. I give it a 2.

I have no issues with stutters or sound and 109's work nicely for me. Have you eliminated the possibility of PEBCAK?

Only issue is that my IL2 campaign is too easy. I will probably edit config.ini to take care of that.

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XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 04:30 PM
a solid 5

XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 05:02 PM
straight 5 because of the totally crippled Bf109's !

(There was absolutely no reason to do so for Maddox...)

I consider using 1.1b again.

XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 05:41 PM
Im somwhere between 2 & 4 but im not nutral LOL

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XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 05:51 PM
I agree joques.
If you can't understand how prop pitch (or rpm governor) works, stop posting b**l s**t. It shows your lack of knowledge thou you got thousands of post.

Moreover, I constantly use my prop pitch(rpm governor) slider when I fly Soviet & US & British a/c.

I'm using two slider prop pitch, throttle. What's more important? Definitely prop pitch slider except when I fly Greman high-tech fighters.

Then why I use slider not just at 100 prop pitch? If you still need to ask, you got serious problem in CEM understanding. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

joques wrote:
-
- How many more times do we have to read BS like this?
- There is a difference between Variable Pitch Props
- and Constant Speed Props. With 5000 posts under your
- belt you should be aware of this. Quit spreading
- disinformation.

-------- This is nicolas10 wrote:
"Auto prop pitch is totally unefficient for german
planes, and you are forced to use manual pitch to
get decent performance.
On the other hand you don't need to touch prop pitch
at all on the VVS fighers even though they all have
manual pitch control. Just keep it at 100 and let it
go."


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XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 06:14 PM
5

XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 06:18 PM
I don't know what the post count has to do with anything.

Ok you may be right about the soviet planes I don't fly them much. When I do I use 100% pitch and it works good enough for me.

Either way the "Auto" pitch of german planes cripples the performance of the plane. So what is supposed to be a big advantage of german planes is not, since you have to play with prop pitch if you want decent performance. I wouldn't mind doing it, but I really dislike flying the plane unrealistically, and use prop pitch while I shouldn't.

Nic

XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 06:24 PM
verrry frustated 5

1.11 is a pice of crap, the weapon effectivity (VVS & LW) is a joke. (for example)

so i'm playing 1.1b! (i alsow fly VVS..[primary Mig3 and P40])


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XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 06:31 PM
4

Why I am unhappy!

1. Inability to control wingmen with more detail (e.g., split left, dive, etc.) which has been available in earlier flight sims.

2. Bandits engaging in very unrealistic flight maneuvers: e.g., repeated rolls when you are on their 6 (maybe in a Zero) and flat scissors. I have read Shaw (I have his book) and hundreds of accounts of WW 2 air battles and I don't remember any accounts of folks doing a flat scissor.

3. Red planes are insanely superior. I don't like to fly for either side with the historical inaccuracies (esp. the performance of the 109). Using UberDemon's program I have been switching sides using the same mission. I-16s versus 109 E-7Z. I die so quickly in the 109 it is not funny. In the I-16 (even with the Soviet forces set to average and rookie) versus all average for LW (to avoid the head on kill) it is something like 15 or 16 victories for the Soviets compared to 5 or 6 losses.

Example, the I -16 is easier to fly than in IL-2, I can't even get it to spin as it did in IL-2 (where the spin behavior was modeled correctly according to all accounts I have read) and it out climbs, out turns, and is faster than the 109.

I don't mind being at a disadvantage but I want to fly Soviet planes in 41 and 42 and have a lot of trouble staying alive and fly for the LW in 1944 and 45 and be greatly outnumbered and have trouble staying alive.

In my opinion the beta 1.08 (I think I have the version correct) was the best version of FB.

And before someone comments about learning how to fly, this isn't flying this is a game (or a sim).

While I think FB is superior in many ways to all other flight sims I think I am going to stop playing and ride my motorcycle (once Isabel blows by).

By the way, if anyone can give me a reference to the use of a flat scissor before "Fox 2" I would be most interested. Please note that I am not referring to a Thatch Weave.

So my opinion is that as good as FB could be, it is now very badly flawed. Of course there are also problems with the sound. Just my opinion!

XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 06:36 PM
GMichaelP wrote:

-I don't like to fly for either side with the historical inaccuracies


Well said.

XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 06:36 PM
hehehe...

If the WWII was like in FB you can write history so:

"At August the 1st the great Red Army marched in too Berlin and internated Adolf Hitler in the Reichskanzlei" /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 06:40 PM
Zentaurus wrote:
- S!
-
- I would really like to know how everyone feels about
- the patch 1.11. I would like to have this poll run
- for about two weeks and then i d give you a little
- statistic about the results. Why ? Well, its
- supposed to be the "final" version, so it might be
- interesting to the developers and to us to know what
- their customers think. Maybe its also the last
- chance to initiate further development of the FMs
- and so forth.
-
- Please dont flame, whine or argue in this thread,
- just give a number from 1 to 6, 1 is good, 6 is bad.
- If you really have to, you can give a very short
- explanation of your vote.
-
- 1= Excellent ! Couldnt be happier. I love it.
-
- 2= Its good, i am fairly content, some minor
- nuisances
-
- 3= Neutral, i neither really like or dislike it, its
- ok.
-
- 4= Its not satisfying, too many things i dont like
- or consider bugs, but i can live with it.
-
- 5= Its not good, i feel bad about it and it really
- spoils my fun playing FB. I consider going back to
- older versions.
-
- 6= Its a piece of crap, i hate it, i am considering
- stopping to play FB if its not getting better, i am
- looking for alternatives.
-
-
- II/JG54_Zent
- ( i will not vote here personally as i am the
- starter of this thread and want to keep as neutral
- as possible.)
-
-


Note = 5:
Too Red biased
Bfs are a joke.


schofei

XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 06:40 PM
2

XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 06:46 PM
3

ME109 climbrate, no hitsounds, muzzleflash too big, netcode

XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 06:55 PM
1

I think it's great.

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XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 06:59 PM
BlitzPig_DDT wrote:
- Question just for kicks - everyone who voted 2 or 1,
- what plane(s) do you fly?

I give it a 2.
I fly 109s. Mostly up to and including the G-6A/S. I don't fly the later 109s if I can help it (only if they're assigned in a mission). While I thought their performance was better in 1.1b, I don't know how accurate it was. I don't mind how they are now though. I seem to do OK in them.

XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 07:09 PM
5!!!!!!

Reasons:

1)
always only working on FM/DM and always you can read "now it's correct!" ... untill the next patch.
And the result of all?
In offline mode it is unplayable, because the FM's and first of all the AI is a totaly mess meanwhile, far away from historical correctness.


2) There is no work for the very important points "atmosphare" and "dynamic". And Oleg could do something with every patch!
Look at RedBaron or Falcon4! These points are one of the most important reasons for their success!

Only one point: why don't we have different (and better)music for every menu side meanwhile,
a better (de)briefing, a better kneeboard? Were are videos and sounds for hospital-time, decoration-videos, disciplinary measures, transfers, missing-reports, etc.?

Always only FM's and than always with basic mistakes! And in addition for the other important things Oleg has no creative phantasy!


We buy it because it is the most modern sim, but offline, be honest please, we play IL2/FB a few missions and than... ... ?

On this way it is enough for me!



Greats,
Motorsound

XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 07:26 PM
5

nothing to add /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 07:46 PM
PLEASE DONT ARGUE, FLAME OR WHINE IN THIS THREAD MR. TOOCOOL, EVERYBODY HAS THE RIGHT TO GIVE A SHORT EXPLANATION OF HIS VOTE WITHOUT BEING HARASSED !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

II/JG54_Zent, initiator of thread

TooCooL34 wrote:
- I agree joques.
- If you can't understand how prop pitch (or rpm
- governor) works, stop posting b**l s**t. It shows
- your lack of knowledge thou you got thousands of
- post.
-
- Moreover, I constantly use my prop pitch(rpm
- governor) slider when I fly Soviet & US & British
- a/c.
-
- I'm using two slider prop pitch, throttle. What's
- more important? Definitely prop pitch slider except
- when I fly Greman high-tech fighters.
-
- Then why I use slider not just at 100 prop pitch? If
- you still need to ask, you got serious problem in
- CEM understanding. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif
-
- joques wrote:
--
-- How many more times do we have to read BS like this?
-- There is a difference between Variable Pitch Props
-- and Constant Speed Props. With 5000 posts under your
-- belt you should be aware of this. Quit spreading
-- disinformation.
-
--------- This is nicolas10 wrote:
- "Auto prop pitch is totally unefficient for german
-
- planes, and you are forced to use manual pitch to
-
- get decent performance.
-
- On the other hand you don't need to touch prop
- pitch
-
- at all on the VVS fighers even though they all have
-
-
- manual pitch control. Just keep it at 100 and let
- it
-
- go."
-
-
-
-
- =======================================
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- GeForce4ti4200,
- MCP-T SoundStorm, Seagate Barracuda IV 7200rpm 60G
- HDD,
- Yes,I got TrackIR/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif , M$ SW Precision2(Bill, let
- sticks be made!)
-
- =815=Squadron in South Korea
- http://cafe.daum.net/il2sturmovik
-

XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 08:13 PM
4 --- Only because some things mechanical like overheat method and some guages need to change.

I will not argue FM's because I am not an AE expert.
I will not argue DM's because of too many reasons.

It would be very good to have 1C post tracks of optimal performance for reasons;
1) We can see the plane make speed, climb, dive and turn.
2) We can see how those are gotten.
3) We can see that those have been checked at all.
4) MOST IMPORTANT, just to end the compaining!

I see a vote of 4 means it needs changes while 1 to 3 means it can do without them.


Neal

XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 08:22 PM
5!

Now seriously, 1.1beta was close to perfect! There were very few complaints about it. Why on earth did you ruin it in 1.11?????????

XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 08:24 PM
2

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XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 08:37 PM
2
lou69

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XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 08:45 PM
3

XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 09:05 PM
Between 1 and 2. Its always been great for my machine..

Burt

XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 09:16 PM
2

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XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 09:42 PM
WWMaxGunz wrote:
- 4 --- Only because some things mechanical like
- overheat method and some guages need to change.


I assume this is, like a lot of the other posts, about the 109. I don't know why there are so many problems with this since I rarely overheat the 109. I don't find it any more prone to overheat than it was before.

XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 09:44 PM
3.5 Mostly happy, but there are a few thorns. Most of you already have an idea.

"Never pet a burning dog."

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XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 09:54 PM
It overheats like it did in IL-2, but it doesn't have the acceleration or climb like it did then... either its lost its climb performance or the La7 has to much or a combination of both.

It overheated fast in IL-2 but I don't know if its realistic, all I know is the flight performance of this plane changes erratically. Plus the La7's have been pushed the opposite way and can nearly keep up in a climb with the K4, its so close its scary but the K4 will outclimb it, but its so close ur motor burns to ashes quick.

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XyZspineZyX
09-18-2003, 09:54 PM
5.

If Oleg Maddox real said that the 109 real still climb to good C1 cheated us with all FM from il2 1.0 till now...

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XyZspineZyX
09-19-2003, 01:53 AM
I think the sim is wondeful, and if this was a vote for IL2FB, I'd give it a two (one if the 190view got fixed).

But this is a vote for the final patch, which gets a

5

I returned my machine to 1.1b. I am happy again!

S!
Cirx


PS.Why dont we get polls like this one at the IL2 site?
Only these silly little condacending polls updated what...twice a year?

XyZspineZyX
09-19-2003, 02:06 AM
Is anyone else dying of laughter yet? LMAO! /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

This poll show how useless and subjective voluntary polls are. I vote every patch should REQUIRE a poll before installing, who's with me /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif .


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XyZspineZyX
09-19-2003, 02:10 AM
2

47|FC
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XyZspineZyX
09-19-2003, 02:39 AM
Ill give it a

2

Because the patch was ok but the game it self is boring.

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XyZspineZyX
09-19-2003, 04:06 AM
I vote 2. I wish takeoff and landing were more a challenge. I feel it is way too forgiving on landing. Sound could be improved also. Otherwise Im happy

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XyZspineZyX
09-19-2003, 04:16 AM
LilHorse wrote:
-
- WWMaxGunz wrote:
-- 4 --- Only because some things mechanical like
-- overheat method and some guages need to change.
-
-
- I assume this is, like a lot of the other posts,
- about the 109. I don't know why there are so many
- problems with this since I rarely overheat the 109.
- I don't find it any more prone to overheat than it
- was before.

Sorry, no it is because of some planes not overheating at full power and rpms. I think that in manual control the 109's are easy to mismanage and make overheat. I don't know exactly why the 1941 LaGG is the way it is but at full speed it should overheat pretty quick if IL2:Sturmovik was anywhere near right.

People who can't get a plane to do as it should don't bother me. A bunch of people who get planes to do much better than they should does bother me.


Neal




Message Edited on 09/18/0311:20PM by WWMaxGunz

XyZspineZyX
09-19-2003, 04:42 AM
1.

Continue to get sound better - still would like to hear nothing outside of cockpit.

I look forward to the addon's, dedicated server, and patch.


Wonderful game - been playing since IL2 and it keeps bringing me so much enjoyment!!! (This game is quite a challenge!)

S!
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XyZspineZyX
09-19-2003, 05:29 AM
5

XyZspineZyX
09-19-2003, 07:16 AM
4

Can Do

XyZspineZyX
09-19-2003, 07:37 AM
3

I fly offline only and the formation spacing & AI collision problem is ruining the campaigns. I see a minimum of six wingmen/escorts die from stupid collisions for every 5 missions flown.

Escorts always fly wide open as fast as they can go all the time. If the mission is over 120km one way they'll run out of gas every time. (Early Stuka campaign, Bf-109 escorts.)

Enemy AI Will always find you. Even if you fly 100km off the flight plan

Interestingly Sound is Pretty well behaved for me in v1.11.

Cheers.........Smokin256

XyZspineZyX
09-19-2003, 09:05 AM
5.

Sound problems I didn't have before. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif
Cheers.

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XyZspineZyX
09-19-2003, 09:12 AM
2. No more no less

Foxmonter
Rosario, Argentina

XyZspineZyX
09-19-2003, 09:15 AM
5



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XyZspineZyX
09-19-2003, 09:19 AM
2.

I have the Hat.
All I need now is....
The other bit.

XyZspineZyX
09-19-2003, 11:06 AM
2

http://morrowind.host.sk/

XyZspineZyX
09-19-2003, 12:34 PM
5 Version 1.11 is a piece of crap - happily i have my 1.1b on the HDD

I dont like the arcade version 1.11, this is the same bunk as EAW- the realistic flight feeling from il2 is lost /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-sad.gif

Snoopy

XyZspineZyX
09-19-2003, 01:31 PM
1

Its the best WW2 combat sim, simple as that.

XyZspineZyX
09-19-2003, 01:42 PM
2

The single important thing that I find less satisfactory than before is the rapidity with which landed AI aircraft disappear from aerodromes.

XyZspineZyX
09-19-2003, 02:33 PM
2

Tailspin
Tailspin's Tales
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XyZspineZyX
09-19-2003, 03:03 PM
5

XyZspineZyX
09-19-2003, 03:06 PM
can anyone be arsed to take an average of these scores?

I know I can't.

2

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XyZspineZyX
09-19-2003, 03:14 PM
I would have to say 2

2

reality is, it is probably a 2.5. There are still some major issues, and again, how do you pork the 109 so badly?!!!!!


Kalo

XyZspineZyX
09-19-2003, 04:55 PM
2

Sound still has problems. I don't think I should be able to hear tanks shooting at each other 3000 m below me.

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XyZspineZyX
09-19-2003, 05:23 PM
bazzaah2 wrote:
- can anyone be arsed to take an average of these
- scores?
-
- I know I can't.
-


I had a few minutes to waste.

3.29 after 170 votes (not posts). Slightly worse than neutral.

All utterly meaningless of course.

Cheers!

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Message Edited on 09/19/0305:24PM by Dunkelgrun

XyZspineZyX
09-19-2003, 06:46 PM
3 for me...

I'm feeling a bit indifferent anymore...

I used to brag to my buddies bout how FM accuracy was such a major focus for this ground breaking sim, I just loved the attention to detail etc.

But now the FMs have been yanked around so much I don't know which version to believe anymore..

I miss the F4 in 1.1b but now I like the G2 in 1.1f...

I guess it's starting to feel more like a game to me , now...with all the patch to patch variations.

At the end of the day, it's still a blast to fly - but I probably prefer 1.1b flight models..

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XyZspineZyX
09-19-2003, 06:58 PM
For the patch (not the game)
4.
For me, sound deteriorated Il2-> FB and has deteriorated AGAIN with the patch. Major problems now. Looks fantastic, sounds like a dog.

XyZspineZyX
09-19-2003, 06:59 PM
4


As a pilot and mechanic it's impossible to take the complicated engine management seriously. FM's are ok, I guess. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif

XyZspineZyX
09-19-2003, 07:31 PM
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO - they cut the balls of from all 109s ...
P39 is a UFO now ... no energy loss at all ... HOLY CRAP!!

XyZspineZyX
09-19-2003, 08:52 PM
6, got fed up this. no mind of flying this any longer, because physics are different for both sides.
Bias:
weapons: german bullets lose speed really fast, compare to VVS 12,7 mg. really HUGE difference, accuracy of fire with russians, rrecoil of certain guns. can score hits easily over 500m distances with russian guns in dogfight.
DM: 109 is piese of *h*t, cant take damage at all. then some VVS planes takes huge amounts of hits almost no efect at all. oil leak doesnt matter, radiator hit on liguid cooled plane, no effect (except IL-2, but it lives LONG time after hit..) controls lost, FW loses Speed with single hit etc etc. P-47 can take dang GREAT amounts of hit and the pilot doenst even notice it.
Acceleration: well, VVS has upper hand here too
top speed: heheh
climb rates. we all know those, when we take in count the engine heatings http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
Engine oveheating: why does some certain planes even have radiator?
E Bleed: cant turn at all with 109/fw, loses great amounts of speed. i thouhgt it just wont turn as some other planes, but that stupid punishment when trying to turn ("it was E style fighter")
visibility from cockpits: FW versus La5FN for exaple.
same with cockpit glass quality. and armor protection. Yak3 has plexiglass behind pilots head, 20mm grenade cant penetrate it.

camoflage colors of russian side planes. impossible to spot against ground, while 109:s shine against ground.
different load outs and effects on FM: take FW A-5 wiht outer cannons removed, u get empty bombrack, which weights like 500 kg bomb, makes flying hard, then compare to lagg/yakk/i-16/I-153 with rockets in the wings, its more easily to fly those with rockets in WINGS....


someone would continue the list. sure there is some funny things on VVS side too. like la7 dive speeds. but one thing is most unfair in this community. LW side players and VVS playes keep posting much info about LW planes, and i mean the info which reduses LW plane capability, LW side too, can u imagine. ever seen that VVS side ppl posts somethign like my P-39 or Yak9T feels bit too good with this low engine power/weight rate. no, no flaws reported on VVS side planes by VVS side players. U are lousy losers Allied gamers.

used to play Lw side, and sometime at VVS side, it was freaking easy to score kills at VVS side,, if u only remember to turn ur head and keep ur listening flaps open, ur untouchable even in 1/4 situation, against jolly good pilots online.

this game went something i would shame if i would been programming. IL-2 was way more better sim, now this is too myuch biased. but sure its easy to understand that, biggest markets makes the rules.

so, salute all and was fun to play with u all. and sorry that my back was not strong enought to carry this load of burden, everyone has limits and mine came now.

LeLv28-Stafroty

XyZspineZyX
09-19-2003, 08:56 PM
4

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XyZspineZyX
09-19-2003, 09:10 PM
5 !!!!

CYA

XyZspineZyX
09-19-2003, 09:11 PM
4

Lachend hinauf,
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Jagdflieger Gl√ľck!
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XyZspineZyX
09-19-2003, 09:15 PM
5
oder 1.1b http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif



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XyZspineZyX
09-19-2003, 09:16 PM
---- 3 ----

- missing loadouts
- crappy sound enginge
- bad sounds (weapons,engines)
- sound DELAY (!!)
- missing bomb racks (graphics) for some planes: I-16

PS: R4M not working historically accurate

Message Edited on 09/19/0309:16PM by Ju87

XyZspineZyX
09-19-2003, 09:22 PM
http://members.shaw.ca/fennec/double.jpg

Even the most blatent graphic errors not fixed. Not shown, double head bug.

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XyZspineZyX
09-19-2003, 09:25 PM
4-5 /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-indifferent.gif
1.arcadeplanes like the LaGG-3/41, P-39, La-5/42,...
2.very strange DM on Me-109, Il-2, P-40 and some others
(allways bad hits from light weapons in engine, elevator or some other important controls)
3.AI behavior is a joke
(LOL, can't wait to see the B-17's flying cobramaneuvers like the bombers now can do/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif )
4.sounds
5.very strange FM on Me-109's since 1.11
6.1.1b works much smooter online
7.still very old bugs on some 3D-modells(P-39, Mig-3,Fw's,Me-109/G-6,...)
8.Il-2 Skin bug still not fixed

it's a very nice looking "balanced game" but never a sim.






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Message Edited on 09/19/0309:26PM by Freakbrother

XyZspineZyX
09-19-2003, 09:42 PM
5

Gruß

RogerHawk


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XyZspineZyX
09-19-2003, 10:02 PM
2

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XyZspineZyX
09-19-2003, 10:18 PM
3


Message Edited on 09/19/0311:20PM by Ventox

XyZspineZyX
09-19-2003, 10:25 PM
5... unfortunatly

Gruß

Chris Brendel
13/JG5

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Und weg!!

XyZspineZyX
09-19-2003, 10:28 PM
bazzaah2 wrote:
- can anyone be arsed to take an average of these
- scores?
-
- I know I can't.
-
- 2
-
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- src="http://www.endlager.net/fis/pix/banners/fis_b
- anner_07.gif">
-
-
- She turned me into a newt, but I got better.



bazzaah you better go to a doctor and ask for help.
You already voted your freeking "2" once.

Go and look in the middle on page number2.

XyZspineZyX
09-19-2003, 10:42 PM
5 is my voting

Gruß BR

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XyZspineZyX
09-19-2003, 10:47 PM
4...


Regards, Sven

XyZspineZyX
09-19-2003, 11:10 PM
S!

5.

XyZspineZyX
09-19-2003, 11:31 PM
4.5

XyZspineZyX
09-19-2003, 11:58 PM
2-

I am sure we have common and different wish lists. Sound was good out of the box. I like the P-39 now for formation flying, but many seem to think it is overmodelled.

At some point, it won't be of any interest for UBI Soft to spend more $$$$$ to patch the game.

I will continue to fly it as it but hope they contine fixing the bugs.



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XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 12:20 AM
5

FM, DM 109s

FM 190 still queen of stall

XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 12:35 AM
I've always defended IL2/FB against WarBirds fanatics,
but finally we've got "game balance" too.

6,setzen!

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XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 12:46 AM
<font face="Arial" size="8"color="orange">5+</font></p> /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-mad.gif



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XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 12:51 AM
lol pipgig.

Just felt sorry for Oleg so thought I'd get another vote in to bump the score up./i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Anyway your six was outside of stated score range!!



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XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 12:53 AM
between 3-4

Kommandeur III/JG53#Hammer

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XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 01:37 AM
5

XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 01:38 AM
Definatley 5!


Did i read the words simulation ? Thats a joke

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XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 01:41 AM
2

XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 01:49 AM
5.....


S!

XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 02:54 AM
2

It would be a 4 or 5 since I fly the 109's a lot .... but my sound was OK in the beginning. Then in 1.1b it was shot ... especially around any AA and the HE 111 gave me fits.

Now with 1.11 my sound is back to where it was ... all the stuff I liked about 1.1b is still there and since the 109 has been hosed I ended up flying other planes more often then before ... and thats kind of a bonus in a way.

But most of all because it's the best WWII sim currently out there and I'm painfully reminded of that any time I get stupid and try to fly CFS3 ... and not throw a beer bottle through my monitor!


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XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 07:35 AM
5.

Its turning into an arcade game. The sad thing is its deliberate, not bugs,,not mistakes,,deliberate.
Rata with a climb rate of K4.
K4 with a climb rate of an SE5.
LA's pulling 10G turns with holes in there wings you could put your head though.
P-39's with SU27 vectored thurst.
MG151 cannon fire's paint balls.
LaGG's made of concrete.
Skoda out accelerating 109's and 190's.
262 is just a joke.
MIG3's LMHO.(have to run from them in a D9,,yeah right)
"As real as it gets"?

XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 08:21 AM
5

Nothing more to say, except "we is right!" /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

Greetz



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XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 09:03 AM
4-5 BF109 tooooo bad, DM, VVS too strong unrealistic!!!

XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 09:07 AM
~S~ all...

a big fat 5 !!



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XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 10:54 AM
4.

SOUND ISSUES!!!!!! That's why 1.11 is crap! Still that extremely noisy artillery, and it's draining fps like hell. And it's just not good at all.
109s can't climb good enough, except G-2. MW-50 use without overheating impossible. An the other hand especially La(GG)s and P-39s climb way too good which neuters the 109's only advantage completely. It's slower on the deck and turns worse which is correct.
FWs controls were so bricky in 1.0, now they're uber. Interesting how they fix issues...
P-47D-27 roll is crap
P-40E speed is way too low
20mm guns are too weak
no Bf-110 *g*
no overheating in LaGG '41 or Hurricanes (except when flying <350 in LaGG or <200km/h in Hurri all the time)
P-39 rolls too good, and it's bricky elevator reminds me of the 1.0 FW, hardly stalls (just below 350km/h IAS).

But I see potential there... that'S why I don'T give it a 5 /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif .


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XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 11:54 AM
A big 5 for the "Simulation"

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XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 12:06 PM
5.

Think we need an option in the realism panel for "Balanced FM's", and "Realistic FM's".
And all will be Happy.

Wattl


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XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 12:27 PM
2

III/StG2_Pips,Kdt.

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Hoch √ľber Land und Meer,
Und wo sie erscheinen, da fliehen
Die Feinde vor ihnen her.
Sie lassen j√¬§h sich fallen
Vom Himmel tiefbodenw√¬§rts.
Sie schlagen die ehernen Krallen
Dem Gegner mitten ins Herz.

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XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 01:00 PM
6

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XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 01:15 PM
4
Bazi

XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 01:26 PM
I have to vote again & give a 4 I just seen that

LeLv28-Stafroty A great online pilot in IL2 has decided to stop flying because of this 1.11 hell patch.....
Thats a real shame he was one of the best 109 pilots I ever had the pleasure to fight


S^ LeLv28-Stafroty


Maybe he will come back one day if this bias FM DM is fixed





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XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 01:34 PM
As long as there is slow trim where I have to apply the RBJ shift to do bat-turns at will, I will never be satisfied.

The game is supposed to get better, not worse.

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XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 01:42 PM
4

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XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 02:31 PM
5

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XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 02:38 PM
5



Aber wozu diese Umfrage? IL2/FB ist doch schon l√¬§ngst tot dank C1.

XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 02:40 PM
5http://www.schildersmilies.de/schilder/nothatway.gif

XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 02:59 PM
4

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XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 03:07 PM
5...

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XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 03:32 PM
I gave it:...6! For beeing absolutely unbalanced...

Another 6 for the crappy KI...

Wuerger- und 110-Whiner

Message Edited on 09/20/0304:38PM by Rori

XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 03:48 PM
2

Best flightsim ever and getting better with every patch....


sin lan chon

XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 03:53 PM
4-5

rauf ran druff

XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 04:23 PM
5

oleg kann sich sein addon in den hintern schieben



Message Edited on 09/20/0303:24PM by Rotzkocher

XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 04:27 PM
6

XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 04:44 PM
4-5 the 109 suck too much(Emil,late war model),La too god,Lagg3 Fm, Ta152 will not be in free addon haha,net code,

luftwaffe pilot must wake up in their grave...

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XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 05:39 PM
- 1= Excellent ! Couldnt be happier. I love it.
-
- 2= Its good, i am fairly content, some minor
- nuisances
-
- 3= Neutral, i neither really like or dislike it, its
- ok.
-
- 4= Its not satisfying, too many things i dont like
- or consider bugs, but i can live with it.
-
- 5= Its not good, i feel bad about it and it really
- spoils my fun playing FB. I consider going back to
- older versions.
-
- 6= Its a piece of crap, i hate it, i am considering
- stopping to play FB if its not getting better, i am
- looking for alternatives.

Changed my mind. After some thought I am between 2 and 4. When I think about it I wouldn't really spend so many hours per week playing a game which I gave less that 50%.

Its good, I am fairly content, though there are too many bugs but i can live with it




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XyZspineZyX
09-20-2003, 06:11 PM
-- 5 --

When Il2 came out OM stated correct FMs by aeronautical-engineers...and so on.
Now every patch changes FMs (not a little, but the other way round). Clear evidence by experts is rejected.
A good idea and excellent product in the beginning is driven to death..

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