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RCJ99
06-21-2004, 08:42 PM
I read on gamespy or somewhere that PF will have an altitude cap of 30,000 feet. If this is true it will completely hamsting both the B-29 And the P-38.

RCJ99
06-21-2004, 08:42 PM
I read on gamespy or somewhere that PF will have an altitude cap of 30,000 feet. If this is true it will completely hamsting both the B-29 And the P-38.

james8325
06-21-2004, 09:25 PM
there isnt any cap for current aep, but when u get to around 50,000m the ground starts to turn dark and look like a globe. really weird, but can only get that effect with bi-1 and me-163, and with unlimited fuel. i doubt it will be any different in pf, cept for maybe looking better at higher altitude.

Droopsnoot
06-22-2004, 09:22 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RCJ99:
I read on gamespy or somewhere that PF will have an altitude cap of 30,000 feet. If this is true it will completely hamsting both the B-29 And the P-38.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

HOW will it "completely hamstring the B-29" ?????

RCJ99
06-22-2004, 06:54 PM
Over japan in daylight the B29's never went below 30,000 feet unless damaged. This is because they were above japanese 75mm AA fire
and many fighters had to struggle to reach them.

If the PF designers idea of B29 missions is five planes at 10,000 feet the game is going to stink

LEXX_Luthor
06-22-2004, 07:16 PM
Oleg once said atmos modding stops above 10km, but I notice I must keep decreasing mixture as I go above 10km, and performance and handling keeps dropping for all planes above 10km. So maybe Oleg was pulling our legs.

Droopsnoot
06-22-2004, 10:19 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RCJ99:
Over japan in daylight the B29's never went below 30,000 feet unless damaged. This is because they were above japanese 75mm AA fire
and many fighters had to struggle to reach them.

If the PF designers idea of B29 missions is five planes at 10,000 feet the game is going to stink<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That is not exactly correct, but I know where you got that impression.

I had at least 10 daylight missions and I was never over 25,000 feet and usually at 22,000... And I have a Purple Heart and scars from a flak wound to prove it.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

I was in the 20th Air Force. We first flew out of India and China in 1944 and relocated to Tinian, Mariannas in April of 1945.

When the 21st AF first went to the Mariannas they tried to bomb at very high altitude but the jet streams were too strong and the bombsights couldn't handle the high drift angles they encountered. Fot this reason the bombing altitudes were lowered to 20 to 25,000 depending on where you were in the bomber stream,

For the fire raids, LeMay brought us down to 5 to 7 or 8,000 feet, again depending on the position of your plane in the bomber stream.

At night we didn't bomb in formation., Each plane departed the IP with 1 minute separation from the one ahead of it, and all made individual runs. We did not use running lights, so could not see each other. The one minute separation often shrunk due to variations in watches and in IAS.

It was not boring.

The tactics and S.O.P.'s for the B29's were different from those the USAAF used in the ETO or those used by the British

[This message was edited by Droopsnoot on Wed June 23 2004 at 02:21 AM.]

VW-IceFire
06-22-2004, 10:25 PM
Right from the source. Always a pleasure to hear and get this sort of perspective.

The game engine works above 10,000 meters which if I did the calculation correctly something like 32,000 feet. So its pretty high. Past that Oleg said that some modeling isn't done....not like below that altitude. Even so, that hasn't proved to be a problem with B-17's in the ETO in Forgotten Battles so it shouldn't be a problem for the B-29's either.

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heywooood
06-22-2004, 10:53 PM
we are lucky to have the benefit of droopsnoots' experience, be sure. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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Fliger747
06-23-2004, 03:11 AM
Any of you guys ever hand fly an airplane in the upper atmosphere, above 30,000'? There is very little aerodynamic dampening, an aircraft becomes quite different in it's handling charcteristics at high altitude! Take even a stable, even docile aircraft at say the mid 20's and it gets much more "twitchy", requiring a much more deft hand. High altitude Air Combat Manuvering in straight wing, power and mach limited aircraft becomes a much more "gentile art", not rewarding attempts at overly tight turns etc, unless you are headed "downhill". Your manuver envelope becomes somewhat "small".