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Fenrir383
09-13-2004, 05:56 PM
hello, first post here. i do believe ill be needing a new joy stick. any suggestions? i have windows xp. also i just bought a dell with pentium4 and 512 memory. will i need a better 3D card, if so which one?
this game looks to cool to pass up.

Fenrir383
09-13-2004, 05:56 PM
hello, first post here. i do believe ill be needing a new joy stick. any suggestions? i have windows xp. also i just bought a dell with pentium4 and 512 memory. will i need a better 3D card, if so which one?
this game looks to cool to pass up.

Lateralus_14
09-13-2004, 06:03 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Fenrir383:
hello, first post here. i do believe ill be needing a new joy stick. any suggestions? i have windows xp. also i just bought a dell with pentium4 and 512 memory. will i need a better 3D card, if so which one?
this game looks to cool to pass up.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Depends on how much you're willing to spend.

If you just want a joystick, I'd recommend something like a Saitek Evo, which I think are around $40. If you want a HOTAS setup, the Saitek X45 is the cheapest one around and is generally good quality. Lots of people recommend that one.

Video cards, same deal. It all depends on how much you're willing to spend. I'd say the minimum for a decent card is around $100, going up to $400 or $500 for the highest end ones.

Dell most likely gave you a really poor video card, or none at all, and you're running onboard video. You should post more detailed specs.

Jason Bourne
09-13-2004, 06:04 PM
whatever you get, dont get a logitech stick, and for Stick, I would say get the best ATI around.

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Lateralus_14
09-13-2004, 06:18 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jason Bourne:
whatever you get, dont get a logitech stick, and for Stick, I would say get the best ATI around.

...there followed one of those moments in history, the sort when the entire earth seemed to stop its spin, hearts paused, and even the people who'd been screaming their loyalty to a man already dead would remember only silence.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I wouldn't recommend ignoring half of the potential market. Look at the different cards available from both NVIDIA and ATI, and decide which one gives you the best value based on your performance needs and your budget.

Fliger747
09-13-2004, 06:20 PM
Not the worlds expert on this, but a really important addtion to a serious control setup is Rudder Pedals! CH makes a pretty good USB set which can be integrated for use with most sticks. Having a seperate throttle is great as well. I curently have been using the Saitek X45 at home with CH pedals and it works well. I was not as fond of the squeeze rudder on the throttle that is used on that stick if pedals are not hooked up. Some find it OK. Others here use the combo of all CH controls, which though expensive has some setup advantages and are of good quality.

If you can find one (used) the Microsoft Force Feedback 2 is well regarded, though no longer made.

Good luck!

Bearcat99
09-13-2004, 07:27 PM
AS far as a decent stick goes..... I would highly recommend the X45 as the best bang for buck. You may not fully use it at first but yoy can grow into it as ypu get more familiar with the sim. It is highly programmable.... not too pricey cosidering what you get. Think of it this way... $80 now for a good stick or $39 twice for a not so good one.

As far as the graphics card.... go no lower than a 9600XT if Radeon... or an Nvidia 5900Ultra... if Nvidia. The newer cards are out... but the older ones (I cant believe Im saying the 9800pro is an older card...LOL) are still quite good.

Try here (http://www.pricewatch.com/) if you dont mind buying online. You might want to check this (http://store.yahoo.com/saitekusa/recprod.html) out too as far as an X45 goes. You might get lucky.

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VF-11 Vadger
09-13-2004, 07:55 PM
Yes you would be a fool not to purchase the X45 80 bucks from curcuit city go get one.

Go with the Nvidia 6800GT OC from bfgtech.com best card out there this very second.

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SKULLS_CoyMS
09-13-2004, 08:26 PM
personally I like the x45...and for a vid card...If your buying one,as of now the 6800GT is the only one that supports shaders 3.0....translation....if you want all the eye candy its all you got to choose from

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BSS_Vidar
09-13-2004, 10:53 PM
CH Products are the best flight controls for PC gaming. CH primarily makes controls for FAA certified flight sims. I have the Fighterstick, Pro thottle, and Pedals. Several other BSS have followed suit and are set up the same as me. The Control manager software makes assigning commands to ANY sim a snap. X36/45 software are notorious for being a real pain in the @$$ for the moderate user.

Video cards?
I initialy was a Ge-Force Fan, But now my new "Frankenstien" is sporting a Asus ATI Radeon 9800 Pro 256 MB, 256 bit video card. With my Athlon 2600+, over 1 G of Corsair 3200 PC RAM on an Asus AN7XE Delux MB that supports duel channel RAM. LOMAC fresh out of the box (No patches) never locked up on me with full real settings. Readeon has a new monster on the streets now... Naaaaaasty! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/11.gif

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Tully__
09-14-2004, 06:49 AM
For Joystick, my choices would be Saitek X-45 or CHProducts Flighstick Pro, Pro Throttle & Pro Pedals.

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Merlin (FZG_Immel)
09-14-2004, 07:25 AM
If you plan to play PF, I suggest you go on Nvidia. this is what is used by the dev team.-

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TgD Thunderbolt56
09-14-2004, 07:33 AM
Price is almost always an issue, but after years of simming and gaming I personally use the CH FlightStick Pro, pro throttle and pro pedals for my controllers and an MSI nx6800 Ultra video card.

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nearmiss
09-14-2004, 08:10 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Fenrir383:
hello, first post here. i do believe ill be needing a new joy stick. any suggestions? i have windows xp. also i just bought a dell with pentium4 and 512 memory. will i need a better 3D card, if so which one?
this game looks to cool to pass up.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

First...you need mo' ram memory, 512M at least.

The ATI Radeon 9800 PRO 128MB is $179 now at Fry's. Awesome card for right now.

I use MSFT FF2 stick. I'm not much to say on the joysticks, because I've been pretty happy with mine. I tried an X-45, but I never could adjust to the left hand paddle rudder.

So...I like a twist stick rudder

Oh...the X-52 stick is due out next month for about $130 and it is supposed to be a strong contender to the Cougar HOTAS. It may be the future... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif Jes' for me it has a twist stick rudder. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/53.gif

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stubby
09-14-2004, 09:27 AM
man, asking a question like that here? better get a spreadsheet to help you tabulate the results.

the best stick I've ever owned with excellent customer support is CH Combat Stick. It has no twisty rudder so consider that but I have the pedals to go with it. This really helped minimize carpal tunnel issues I was having. I currently use a mid range card - nvidia 5900XT. Excellent card. It gave me about 15 fps boost over the ATI 9700.

FI.Spitsfire
09-14-2004, 09:33 AM
I will be collecting my x45 in 2 hours... well under 1 and a half now http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
I'll tell you what I think about it for first impresions, I would be using it right now but there was no-one in to accept delivery today!
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9th_Spitin
09-14-2004, 09:36 AM
HI,

1st off on the stick, the Saitek X-45 is a good stick but the rudder rocker is hard to use, the new version that is coming out X-52 will have a twist rudder but the downside is you will have to wait for the release. Now for the Vid card I just installed a FX5900 thinking it would do what I wanted, after one night of flying I removed it, returned it and picked up a 6800GT. If your budget is tight then I would once again wait for the new Nvidia 6600GT that will retail for about $200. Read a review in our forums 6600GT review (http://www.flyingknights.lordsofwar.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=243#243)

It all comes down to how much you can or want to spend.

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Toranaga75
09-14-2004, 09:45 AM
I used to have a Logitech, Wingman something... back in the days of XvT, but I broke it and the Saitek I got after that one never really worked the way I wanted it... *needs a new one*

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BSS_Vidar
09-14-2004, 10:54 AM
My first two years of PC flying, I beat the heck out of everything I used, including the X36. I've been using CH now for over three years, and dem bad-boys are as hardy as can be. Very durable for strong adult hands.

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FI.Spitsfire
09-14-2004, 12:44 PM
First impressions on the x45 after 10mins playing... its gunna take some getting used to but its a very good stick! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif
The rockers gunna build up your little finger if your not used to one btw http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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BlackShrike
09-14-2004, 02:34 PM
ATI X800 XT PLATINUM just came out. its much better than the X800 PRO.

its almost double the 6800 ULTRA in many performance areas. new king of cards is the XT PLATINUM

VF-11 Vadger
09-14-2004, 03:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by 9th_Spitin:
HI,

1st off on the stick, the Saitek X-45 is a good stick but the rudder rocker is hard to use.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You got small girly hands?

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Reschke
09-15-2004, 12:29 PM
Guys that is all well and good but what about someone who doesn't have $400 + on a top of the line video card. Or $350 or so for the CH Products entire setup or $250 for a TM Cougar. Yes I know not all of us have said that but the majority of us have.

A good basic card is in the 9600 class from ATI and I think the 5200 class from nVidia. At least that has been my experience and reasonably priced.

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SKULLS_CoyMS
09-15-2004, 12:52 PM
I beleive that the X45 was mentioned several times...and its less than a sawbuck ($100) and the 6800gt can be found for a little over $250 on the net..and it supports all the eyecandy...when someone ask for a recomendation,and dosent mention price,you don't send them to the close out bin...your card choices will definatly run the game better than the onboard chip....they are in the range that I am currently using...but if ask what I would buy today...well thats another story

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9th_Spitin
09-15-2004, 01:00 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VF-11 Vadger:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by 9th_Spitin:
HI,

1st off on the stick, the Saitek X-45 is a good stick but the rudder rocker is hard to use.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

You got small girly hands?

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LOL, no, but if you do have small hands it will suck.

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9th_Spitin
09-15-2004, 02:11 PM
Looks like it is a screemer, but a heavy price of close to $600. Guess he with the most money is the fastest.
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Bearcat99
09-16-2004, 06:49 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by nearmiss:
First...you need mo' ram memory, 512M at least.

The ATI Radeon 9800 PRO 128MB is $179 now at Fry's. Awesome card for right now.

I use MSFT FF2 stick. I'm not much to say on the joysticks, because I've been pretty happy with mine. I tried an X-45, but I never could adjust to the left hand paddle rudder.
So...I like a twist stick rudder
Oh...the X-52 stick is due out next month for about $130 and it is supposed to be a strong contender to the Cougar HOTAS. It may be the future... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif Jes' for me it has a twist stick rudder. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/53.gif
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hey nearmiss... I use a X45 and a MSFFB2 in tandem. FB supports multiple sticks so the FFB stick is my main flight stick. The X45 throttle is my throttle and the X45 stick I use strictly as a button bay. My flaps are on the rudder rocker and my elevator and aileron trims are on the knobs. My prop pitch is the throttle slider of the MSFFB and my rudder trim is the twist handle of the MS stick (I use pedals). Very immersive and loads of fun. I just updated my profile. If you want to try it out it is on our squad site in my sig. Bear in mind that it is an X45.MSFFB/CHPedals profile.. if you dont have pedals then you can either put rour rudder on the twist handle and do without rudder trim or put your rudder on the rocker arm of the X45 and assign your flaps to another control of your choice.

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