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nearmiss
06-02-2004, 04:15 PM
http://eu.playstation.com/iw_images//assets/images/previews/a/ace_combat_5/ace_combat_5_06_big.jpg

Click this line to see a bunch more (http://uk.playstation.com/news/newsStory.jhtml?storyId=105424_en_GB_NEWS&linktype=GRS)

So the bar is getting lower...limbo http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Oleg's BOB is gonna have some fierce competition

All the PS2 devs have got to do is let us have our joysticks. They need to let us have a few things like joysticks, trackIR, pedals and some of the other "for real stuff" and they'll knock a dent in the PC flight simming world.

I always felt the MSFT CFS stuff was headed for the X-BOX. I'd say it might be sooner than I thought.

You can get into PS2 for a lot less than a good gamer computer...a lot less.

http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/10.gif Anyway, Jet sims don't interest me that much. I also have my little hobby and the kids have theirs in front of the TV. I might have to buy my own TV. However, I might be able to justify the price of an HDTV or at least a Plasma. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif

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[This message was edited by nearmiss on Wed June 02 2004 at 03:27 PM.]

nearmiss
06-02-2004, 04:15 PM
http://eu.playstation.com/iw_images//assets/images/previews/a/ace_combat_5/ace_combat_5_06_big.jpg

Click this line to see a bunch more (http://uk.playstation.com/news/newsStory.jhtml?storyId=105424_en_GB_NEWS&linktype=GRS)

So the bar is getting lower...limbo http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

Oleg's BOB is gonna have some fierce competition

All the PS2 devs have got to do is let us have our joysticks. They need to let us have a few things like joysticks, trackIR, pedals and some of the other "for real stuff" and they'll knock a dent in the PC flight simming world.

I always felt the MSFT CFS stuff was headed for the X-BOX. I'd say it might be sooner than I thought.

You can get into PS2 for a lot less than a good gamer computer...a lot less.

http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/10.gif Anyway, Jet sims don't interest me that much. I also have my little hobby and the kids have theirs in front of the TV. I might have to buy my own TV. However, I might be able to justify the price of an HDTV or at least a Plasma. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/88.gif

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[This message was edited by nearmiss on Wed June 02 2004 at 03:27 PM.]

Agamemnon22
06-02-2004, 04:29 PM
Im pretty sure that particular one is not in-game. I would guess its from a cutscene or something. Look at that picture (and some other cool looking ones) and then look at the pictures taken from inside the cockpit. There's a drastic difference in quality. If I'm wrong and that is an in-game shot, I'd be really impressed. Getting graphics like that on a platform that's several generations old would really be something.

SeaFireLIV
06-02-2004, 04:38 PM
Why are people so easily taken out by super screenshots that actually don`t tell us anything? Last time I learned my lesson was when they kept putting Amiga screenshot graphics on the back of ZX Spectrum boxes and I kept wondering why the graphics never matched what it showed! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

It`s probably a pregenerated movie-shot. Even if it really is the ingame graphics (unlikely), it`s NEVER going to have the depth of a flight sim such as IL2/FB, is it now?

Compare Balder`s gate 1 & 2 for the PC and Balders Gate for the PS2. I`ve seen `em both, the PS2 version has wonderful graphics and rubbish gameplay, usually lasts about a week to a month if the kids don`t cheat their asses off, while the PC version took me on and off SIX MONTHS to complete!

The difference is in the substance, not the show.

LuftKuhMist
06-02-2004, 04:46 PM
They won't knock a dent in the PC flight simming world.

Reasons: 1) you don't buy a console to play flight sims usually. I have a PS2 and I don't even TRY to flightsim on it.

2) Keyboard, mouse. You can have on PS2, you can rest your keyboard on your knees if you wish, but this is default on a stable desk on a pc.

3) The audience is just not there. Flight simmers usually spit on gamers (which is not my case) and have no need for a PS2.

4) I'll tell you, strategy and sims are way better on PC anyway. Hi res screen and all, it's a must. On PS2 though there are pretty good RPGs, action games and shooters (even if in that field, I find again PC better)and the best driving game around.

Sims just aren't made for console if you ask me.

Then again I am not some kind of knowitall guru.


Seafire, both Baldur's Gates aren't even the same kind of game, one is a dungeon slasher, the other a pure RPG. I liked both, one takes 20 hours or so to pass, the other 6 months. To me again, it's just a question of suitability, there are pretty deep games on PS2, it's not a question of capability, PS2 can pull some impressive stuff and there will be the PSX in X years.

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VW-IceFire
06-02-2004, 04:48 PM
They look good but they could have easily been photoshopped and more to the point we already see that level of detail (and then some) from LOMAC and even Forgotten Battles. There are a few things there that are beyond what the FB engine does but the rest isn't that terribly impressive. We've seen it done before.

BoB will blow us away...thats what I think. Compaired to the paltry releases that we've seen from up and coming PS2 games.

Also consider that their maps are probably very small and limited in fasions that we aren't in FB and the PC simming world. PS2 doesn't have a whole heck of a lot of ram on it.

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nearmiss
06-02-2004, 06:20 PM
I'm not trying to poop on anyones brain here. This playstation2 thing looked interesting.

There is not telling what kind of television set they used, etc.

Regardless, it still lowers the bar and will make it tougher for PC game devs vs console game devs.

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crazyivan1970
06-02-2004, 07:16 PM
nice photoshops http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

PS2 doesn`t even have power to produce 1/10 of the quality of those shots.

Not attacking you nearmiss, by all means bud. Just amazed how gaming industry fools its customers by something they can`t pull off. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Flakwalker
06-02-2004, 09:06 PM
A-6 Intruder 2010?...

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Urist
06-02-2004, 09:43 PM
Anyone remember a series of games called Flight Unlimited?

kchickenlord
07-04-2004, 02:06 PM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gifAC5's story takes place in the near future - September, 2010, to be exact. The 108th Tactical Fighter Squadron has been decimated in its entirety after being sent to intercept an unidentified aircraft over the ocean that separates the superpowers of Osea and Yuktobania. As an elite pilot in a newly formed squadron, your task is to take to the skies and protect the nation of Osea. Once again, you'll have pick of a fleet of planes that would rival those of most small superpowers (over 50 licensed, playable craft are yours for the piloting) as you work your way through a huge, thrilling campaign. The single player game includes 30 varied missions, with objectives ranging from high altitude pursuits to air-to-ground combat. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/35.gif

Where do i start?
Jet sims by their nature are boring to most, this title like ALL other console titles are aimed at kids and casual gamers, consoles do games for people who want instant comabt, i dont see mastering all the systems of each plane being a possibility with a joypad, not to mention 50 planes.
This is going to be chase view arcade mush at best. Listed under genre is "shoot em up".
So everybody stop worrying, its a completely different type of game.
What worries me is that pcs are giving ground to consoles in most other areas of gaming, ultimately this could damage proper flight sims as developers quit the pc platforms.

Korolov
07-04-2004, 03:18 PM
I think they've done a good job at making the aircraft and landscapes look good, and nice job on the shading, HOWEVER, I can tell you that it won't all look like that. Notice how chunky the munitions and fuel tanks on that A-6 look. Compare it with these:

http://www.mechmodels.com/fbstuff/a10shot1.jpg

http://www.mechmodels.com/fbstuff/a10shot2.jpg

http://www.mechmodels.com/fbstuff/a10shot3.jpg

http://www.mechmodels.com/fbstuff/klv_sigp38shark1a.jpg

zjulik
07-04-2004, 03:50 PM
"...they are taken from the dev PS2 kit. It renders at higher resolution and most developers today release that kind of stills. Quite misguiding. However, AC04 looked excellent on a TV screen and this one will look even better."

Don`t drool but don`t look the other way either, I`d say.

http://www.eurogamer.net/article_discussion.php?article_id=55053

BombTaxi
07-04-2004, 04:12 PM
Having played Ace Combat on the PS2, I'm pretty unconvinced by that screenie. I've got an old, worn out, obsolete rig and IL2 still looks better than Ace Combat. And controlling it is almost impossible with the 'stick' on a PS2 pad... except that it has a cartoon FM, so you cant crash unless you try really hard. You can also carry 50+ air-to-air missiles, meaning that 20 kills a mission is average, and they all require next to no skill or effort (AI bombers do not carry out evasive maneuvers). All in all, its awful compared to even the worst PC flight sim you can name...it'll take more than pretty screenies to get me off PC!!!!

BinaryFalcon
07-04-2004, 05:57 PM
Ace Combat 5?

Rock!

AC04 was great, and I'd really been hoping they'd make a AC05, I'm glad to see they're finally doing it.

It's easily the best console "flightsim" ever made, and I enjoyed it quite a bit. Sure, it tends to the arcadish side of things, but the game design is so well done that it doesn't bother me. What it lacks in realism it more than makes up for in fun.

I think of it as much the same as the old Jane's USNF/ATF game. They were sort of sims - in that you flew the aircraft in the first person and did some basic systems management - and while not technically all that accurate with respect to the real world, they did pretty well capturing the relative performance of the aircraft and weapons with respect to each other. But most of all, it was just pure fun.

I'm willing to overlook arcade style "sims" when they're really well done and just a pleasing, fun experience all around, I think the Ace Combat series has done that very well. Now if I could just get it to work with my Cougar... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I'll definitely be preordering this one. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Thanks for the heads up.

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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Where do i start?
Jet sims by their nature are boring to most, this title like ALL other console titles are aimed at kids and casual gamers, <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't really consider myself to be a "casual" gamer, and I think the fact that I currently own no less than 10 gaming systems going back as far as the Intellivision/Atari 2600 days, plus my PC(s), would back that up. I also wouldn't classify myself as a "hardcore" gamer either, as I no longer spend 20 hours a week playing. In either case, AC05 certainly appeals to me. It fits in nicely between both casual and hardcore gamers. Basically it's the type of game that just about anyone can pick up and enjoy.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>consoles do games for people who want instant comabt, i dont see mastering all the systems of each plane being a possibility with a joypad, not to mention 50 planes.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Here I agree. However, that's not really the point of this game. If it's anything like AC04, you'll start out with something rather basic (like an F-4), and acquire access to better aircraft and weapons as you progress. The main difference in aircraft is how they handle, how much damage they can take, and how much and what kind of ordnace they can carry.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>This is going to be chase view arcade mush at best. Listed under genre is "shoot em up".<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

AC04 actually had multiple view options. Chase, no cockpit with HUD, or 3D cockpit view. The 3D cockpits obviously weren't clickable or anything, and they were fairly basic, but they were there, and an option if you wanted to fly that way. That certainly places it beyond the "Shoot 'em up" genre. It's more fair to call it "flight sim light".

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
So everybody stop worrying, its a completely different type of game.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, it is, but why would anyone worry in the first place? It's a fun game, it's simlike in execution without being excessively stupid or frustratingly hard. Namco put a lot of work into making Ace Combat 4 fit and play extremely well on a console, and I've little reason to think it won't be the same for AC05.

Don't knock it until you've tried it. It's likely to be a great game. It's no IL-2 of course, but what else is? As you said, it's a different kind of game, and ultimately, because it's well made and a lot of fun, what's not to like about it?

Surprisingly, a lot of what makes IL-2 fun is what makes Ace Combat so fun. There's not an excessive amount of systems management, and it basically comes down to pure dogfighting. Again, it's not super accurate with the physics, but it works very nicely on a relative scale.

In any case, it's one of those games where I'm content to pull out my guy card and say, "Sometimes it's fun to just fly low, fast and blow stuff up!" http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

[This message was edited by BinaryFalcon on Sun July 04 2004 at 05:48 PM.]

TheJoyStick
07-04-2004, 06:03 PM
Looks ugly, IMHO...


Kinda like those old windows 98 sims. They had semi-decent graphics for their time, but the gameplay was utter cr@p. I wouldn't be surprised if the game flopped.

Mispunt
07-05-2004, 09:20 AM
It's arcade games that sell, not hardcore flightsims. It knows perfectly well what it wants to be. Besides is already the fifth installment. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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Monson74
07-06-2004, 02:14 AM
One of the things I love about FB is that the in-game gfx is better than the box cover. IMO the PC owns the consoles in terms of sound, gfx, control & overall quality.

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Montgomery Python
07-06-2004, 02:32 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LuftKuhMist:
4) I'll tell you, strategy and sims are way better on PC anyway. Hi res screen and all, it's a must. On PS2 though there are pretty good RPGs, action games and shooters (even if in that field, I find again PC better)and the best driving game around. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'd say NR2003 & mods is the best *racing* game around, and that's definitely not a PS2 game :P. No doubting the Gran Turismo series is considerable fun. The PS2 owns for fighting games & adventures, though, and I'd rather play Grand Theft Auto on the console. It's an arcade in a box, which is a good thing, but it's never going to be a platform for hardcore sims or anything with real depth.

WOLFMondo
07-06-2004, 09:10 AM
Its a console game, there for sitting on your couch, getting a quick gaming fix and maybe knocking back a cold beer with a freind or two.

Like allot of console games it might be a hell of allot of fun but hardly very immersive or in depth (unless there a Final Fantasy style game)...but good fun.

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