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XyZspineZyX
08-27-2003, 09:22 PM
just noticed today... try shooting the Vertical stab off.. or just simply fly against it... TB-3 starts to move sideways...

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XyZspineZyX
08-27-2003, 09:22 PM
just noticed today... try shooting the Vertical stab off.. or just simply fly against it... TB-3 starts to move sideways...

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08-27-2003, 09:25 PM
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XyZspineZyX
08-29-2003, 01:13 AM
TB-3 can take Huge amounts of 20mm ammo, fired all my 20mm ammo from FWA-5 on one, and there was 109G with 30mm cannon shooting it too, we were not able to down it with weapons, engines started to make thick black smoke, so pilot just exrtinguished the fire and happy it again did go, no damage on engines http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif we really did shoot it from below at the leght of fuselage, from nose to tail, from wing tip the other, front attacks, gunners did go silent, only one still had strengt to shoot at us.

Im amazed how much damage that plane can take.

and im amazed how much damage engines from every bomber can take from 6 oc firing position.

XyZspineZyX
08-29-2003, 01:28 AM
That's odd.

I pretty much single handedly downed 5 or 6 of them (did all the significant damage, and was credited for the kills) in a row on a DF server last weekend.

Most of the didn't come apart immediately of course, but they were ripped up enough to crash within a minute or two of my attacks.

IL-2s work great for taking them down, especially if you load rockets. The P47 runs a close second.

IIRC, I got one kill with a P39, 3 with an IL-2, and 2 with a P47, all within the span of about 10 minutes.

It's a tough bird to kill immediately, but it's extremely underpowered and not hard to rip up enough so that it has too much drag to fly.

Message Edited on 08/29/0312:31AM by BinaryFalcon

XyZspineZyX
08-29-2003, 02:21 AM
p47 shreds em

the A8 with mk108 pods literally blows it apart

so does a 9K http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

any 109 with a mk108 can take it out in a couple of shots as will 9T and lagg 3 IT

its trickier in a A4 or A5 but not too hard, the A4 is particualrly adept at dodging at soaking up fire



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XyZspineZyX
08-29-2003, 02:40 AM
I know that the me262 shreds them to pieces. Thing is that you have to be a very sure aim to get the tb3 in one pass. By the time you get around to doing a second pass, you've lost so much energy.

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XyZspineZyX
08-29-2003, 03:23 AM
1.) P47 and IL-2 are not supposed to fight TB-3
2.) 109K, Me262 are wrong aera

Fight with 109E and 109F ... thats the challenge and this is what more likely really happened.

XyZspineZyX
08-29-2003, 03:57 AM
They are tough to bring down, but after many hours of practice I am finally getting better aim for the PK.

At first I tried to practice offline, but found that even with Ace AI they all bail out fairly quickly, so you don't get much practice.

Also note that this is one plane where it is very easy to think you haven't taken him out yet when in reality he is so messed up that he cannot bomb nor RTB, and will crash eventually. It is sooo sloooow that it takes it awhile to plow into the ground when his controls are damaged.

XyZspineZyX
08-30-2003, 04:00 AM
weasel75 wrote:
- 1.) P47 and IL-2 are not supposed to fight TB-3
- 2.) 109K, Me262 are wrong aera
-
- Fight with 109E and 109F ... thats the challenge and
- this is what more likely really happened.
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So you are saying that there were no tb3's around when the me262 was operational and flying?


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XyZspineZyX
08-30-2003, 10:21 AM
The other day myself in a FW 190 A-5 and another guy in a D-9 went after a TB-3. We killed the entire crew and shot off several controls. All engines were trailing smoke. I alone landed 300 hits on the TB-3. The ohter guy wasn't worse but had less weapons, so I guess together we got 500 hits of 7.92, 13 and 20mm. Still, the plane refused to crash until about five minutes later. We needed about fifteen minutes to bring it down.

On the other hand, once I (again FW 190 A5) went against it in a steep diving attack and shot off the wing in one pass. I needed about five 20mm hits and 2 seconds time.

I like this damage model.

Cpt.LoneRanger
08-30-2003, 10:31 AM
Damage is a lot better after the patch.

However, it largely depends on where you hit the TB3. If you go for the eninges and the inner wing section, you'll score a kill easily.

If you attack from behind and shoot at the main fuselage, there's not much more the bullets can hit, than the crew and and - if you're lucky - some cables.

If you're in a spray-plane like early Hurri, P40 and P47, try to attack from the fron or below. Aiming at the engines, you'll set them aflame easily.

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XyZspineZyX
08-30-2003, 12:49 PM
There's a way to wreck TB-3s very badly in something like a Hurri 1, with one pass. Someone alluded to it when they said the engines can take a huge amount of damage from the 6 o'clock - is that enough of a clue? /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif



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XyZspineZyX
08-30-2003, 01:56 PM
Joachim_vMayern wrote:
- So you are saying that there were no tb3's around
- when the me262 was operational and flying?

Nope, just said what fight was more likely to happen.

And if people use the Me-262 or latest FW then they miss what a though beast the TB-3 can *really* be [/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif ]
Offline you can fight in an "Emil"/"Friedrich" against single TB-3 since AI keeps flying in a straight line, but online its harder (depending on enemy's action).

XyZspineZyX
08-30-2003, 04:32 PM
If you're a decent shot, hit 'em at the base of their wings with good-sized bursts and they turn into a pinwheel. Any attack from 6 o'clock against a TB-3 is just wasting your ammo, unless you manage to tag them right down the length of a wing, in which case you might shear it off. Those things have so much surface area that simply putting holes in them, or even removing entire panel sections, isn't going to bring them down. Eventually maybe, yeah, but by then someone else will have finished them off and you'll end up with no kill, no points, and no ammo.

XyZspineZyX
08-30-2003, 05:05 PM
weasel75 wrote:
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- Joachim_vMayern wrote:
-- So you are saying that there were no tb3's around
-- when the me262 was operational and flying?
-
- Nope, just said what fight was more likely to
- happen.
-
- And if people use the Me-262 or latest FW then they
- miss what a though beast the TB-3 can *really* be
- [/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-wink.gif ]
- Offline you can fight in an "Emil"/"Friedrich"
- against single TB-3 since AI keeps flying in a
- straight line, but online its harder (depending on
- enemy's action).
-
-

I have fought against that thing using the F and G series 109. It's a biatch to shoot down! Thing that makes it really easy is if you can shoot the pilot then you get all the gunners bailing out.



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XyZspineZyX
08-30-2003, 06:17 PM
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So you are saying that there were no tb3's around when the me262 was operational and flying?

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Actually LW Me 262 pilot were extreme lucky that there was never enough TB3s to rip their b** apart...

XyZspineZyX
08-30-2003, 06:33 PM
How do I get it to fly sideways?

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XyZspineZyX
08-31-2003, 09:27 PM
I find that fire-extinguisher silly.. you can use it unlimited times, so you never loose engines in TB-3.. or very rarely.. its next to impossible to down it with Emils and F2/F4s.. now the fuselage may be tough, but it is quite ridiculous, than you can fire-extinguisher your engines over and over again, and they still run 100% ok.. or make it 110% /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif I mean if this is the way it was, then how come Finns were even able to down them in Winter war with lowsy .303s with Fokkers /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Hell, if fire-extinguishers where that good, im surprised that TB3 was the only bomber that had them /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif Basicly only way to down it with early war LW-planes is to kill the pilot.. or shoot the controls until the bomber pilot gives up and ejects, when he can't manouver /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif Flak is more worse opponent to a TB-3, than Fighters imo. Then give us fire-extinguishers to Heinkels too /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

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Bearcat101
08-31-2003, 10:22 PM
Vipez- wrote:
- I find that fire-extinguisher silly.. you can use it
- unlimited times, so you never loose engines in
- TB-3.. or very rarely.. its next to impossible to
- down it with Emils and F2/F4s.. now the fuselage may
- be tough, but it is quite ridiculous, than you can
- fire-extinguisher your engines over and over again,
- and they still run 100% ok.. or make it 110% /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif I mean if this is the way it
- was, then how come Finns were even able to down them
- in Winter war with lowsy .303s with Fokkers /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Actaully, I was practicing my level bombing with the TB3 on a server last night. I kept getting harrassed by a K4, and on one pass he managed to ignite all 4 of my engines. I tried using the extinguishers, but that only work on 1 of the 4 (the other 3 werent engine fires, maybe ignited fuel outside of the engine). Luckly, I remembered the scene in Memphis Belle where they dive to extinguish the fires. Low and behold, IT WORKED! So now I was running on 4 very damaged engines. Later on in the flight (about 10 minutes) my number 2 broke down, then my number 1. I checked the fuel read out and they had sufficient fuel, but they quit on my due to mechanical failures.
Conclusion: Damaged engines will shut down on you.

PS: My left wing was blown off moments from the base due to flak.

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-Never share a foxhole with anyone braver than you are.
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-If your attack is going really well, it's an ambush.
-No plan survives the first contact intact.
-All 5 second grenade fuses burn down in 3 seconds." Excerpt from Murphy's Laws

XyZspineZyX
09-01-2003, 12:12 AM
The fire extinguishers cannot be used unlimited times.
After a number of uses they cease to function.

- Vipez- wrote:
-- I find that fire-extinguisher silly.. you can use it
-- unlimited times, so you never loose engines in


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XyZspineZyX
09-01-2003, 12:47 AM
Was credited with three of them while flying a Bf 109 E7B in the Experten Campaign a few weeks ago. Like someone else has mentioned, go for the inner engines and wing and from below to avoid those gunners field of fire. Be careful when you break away from your firing pass. Stay below and behind, those nose and dorsal gunners are sure to hit your 109's oil cooler, if you break away over the TB3.

XyZspineZyX
09-01-2003, 12:51 AM
Vipez- wrote:
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- Hell, if fire-extinguishers where that good, im
- surprised that TB3 was the only bomber that had them /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif Basicly only way to
- down it with early war LW-planes is to kill the
- pilot.. or shoot the controls until the bomber pilot
- gives up and ejects, when he can't manouver /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif Flak is more worse opponent to
- a TB-3, than Fighters imo. Then give us
- fire-extinguishers to Heinkels too /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif
-

Nearly all US bombers has fire extinquishers. The extinqushers on the B-29 were powerful enough to stop a magnesium fire on the first ignition.

As for all of the people compaining about bringing down a TB-3 by unloading tonns of ammo into it, tell me, what is there in that aircraft to hit besides cloth and spider webs? The aircraft was entirely of steel tube and fabric construction. Basicaly, the only thing in there that is damageable are the crew, and the engines. That's it. Anywhere else you hit is meaningless, because there is simply nothing there.

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XyZspineZyX
09-01-2003, 01:19 AM
i am not sure of the problem, i can regularly kill a tb3 in one pass in an A4 and i am a rotten shot.

I usually come up very fast from below get a snap shot invert (for better vis) and take another shot from slightly above flip right side and get a laast shot in befoer passingunder and away to teh left before extending and going again if necessary. All teh while using the A4 good roll rate to jink away from defensive fire.

No idea if thats the best attack profile it just worked so i stuck with it

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XyZspineZyX
09-01-2003, 03:36 AM
HarryVoyager wrote:
-The aircraft was entirely of
- steel tube and fabric construction.


Not true...

The skin of the TB3 was corrigated steel I do believe.

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