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Taylortony
02-02-2004, 07:43 AM
I get a magazine in the uk called Aeroplane Monthly, the link is here http://www.aeroplanemonthly.com
Found 109 in previous issue
http://www.aeroplanemonthly.com/news/news_archive/IndianBF109E_02-09-02/indianBF109E.htm

Its a stunning magazine that deals with warbirds, I would also recommend flypast to you as well http://www.flypast.com/ both i think you can recieve states side.

But i digress, Aeroplane monthly has an article on a 109 dragged out of a Lake in Russia in December of this year and i have taken a couple of digital pictures for you "colonials" http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif to see what is still being brought to the surface. WOW..... Pics speak for themselves, sorry its a bit blurry but my scanner cant deal with the size, i have added close ups too

http://mysite.freeserve.com/IL2_Skins/109/Main_Page.jpg

http://mysite.freeserve.com/IL2_Skins/109/lifting.jpg

http://mysite.freeserve.com/IL2_Skins/109/pic_3.jpg

http://mysite.freeserve.com/IL2_Skins/109/engine.jpg

http://mysite.freeserve.com/IL2_Skins/109/pic_text.jpg

Taylortony
02-02-2004, 07:43 AM
I get a magazine in the uk called Aeroplane Monthly, the link is here http://www.aeroplanemonthly.com
Found 109 in previous issue
http://www.aeroplanemonthly.com/news/news_archive/IndianBF109E_02-09-02/indianBF109E.htm

Its a stunning magazine that deals with warbirds, I would also recommend flypast to you as well http://www.flypast.com/ both i think you can recieve states side.

But i digress, Aeroplane monthly has an article on a 109 dragged out of a Lake in Russia in December of this year and i have taken a couple of digital pictures for you "colonials" http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif to see what is still being brought to the surface. WOW..... Pics speak for themselves, sorry its a bit blurry but my scanner cant deal with the size, i have added close ups too

http://mysite.freeserve.com/IL2_Skins/109/Main_Page.jpg

http://mysite.freeserve.com/IL2_Skins/109/lifting.jpg

http://mysite.freeserve.com/IL2_Skins/109/pic_3.jpg

http://mysite.freeserve.com/IL2_Skins/109/engine.jpg

http://mysite.freeserve.com/IL2_Skins/109/pic_text.jpg

hotspace
02-02-2004, 07:47 AM
WOW..............I'll have to get that Mag tomorrow http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

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TgD Thunderbolt56
02-02-2004, 07:54 AM
Cool. Good stuff mate! Thx! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif



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SpinSpinSugar
02-02-2004, 08:00 AM
That's awesome. It looks in really good nick all things considered, I hope they do a good job on it's restoration. Thanks for the scans!

SSS

Taylortony
02-02-2004, 08:09 AM
there are some pics of parts of it here

www.aeroplanemonthly.com/news_frameset.htm (http://www.aeroplanemonthly.com/news_frameset.htm)

but also check that link at the top of the original picture post about the Indian one sitting in a school yard, they were going to scrap it...its now i believe in the UK... they also have a new warbird forum on the Aeroplane site

HansKnappstick
02-02-2004, 08:10 AM
Why does the yellow nose paint conserve best?

SpinSpinSugar
02-02-2004, 08:13 AM
Perhaps it's all preserved really well and besides the yellow nose, the chosen camoflage scheme was rusted metal and pond-weed.

SSS

Taylortony
02-02-2004, 08:16 AM
As the weight is at the front it may well have been buried on the lake bed protecting the Yellow paint.

HansKnappstick
02-02-2004, 08:19 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SpinSpinSugar:
Perhaps it's all preserved really well and besides the yellow nose, the chosen camoflage scheme was rusted metal and pond-weed.

SSS<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
...being no expert on AC camouflage, I allow myself to doubt the above statement http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif

But that could be a great camoflage pattern for a tank!

JR_Greenhorn
02-02-2004, 08:26 AM
Does it say anything about restoring the plane to flying condition, or just for a museum?
There aren't any restored, flying Bf 109s around, are there?

SpinSpinSugar
02-02-2004, 08:29 AM
I *think* there are no original (non-Buchon) Bf109s flying at present. There was one that crashed a couple of years back. It's amazing what they can do with restorations though, it really is. Looks like there's at least two complete new airframes in this thread and it's certainly a type that attracts a lot of interest. Here's hoping.

Cheers, SSS

Rajvosa
02-02-2004, 08:33 AM
This is just wonderful!

Yes, there already is a Bf 109E flying in the USA. Made in Germany, of course. There should be at least one other genuine 109 flying, owned by the Messerschmitt foundation. And I really hope that Black 6 will fly again!

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Taylortony
02-02-2004, 08:36 AM
Jim Pearce is well known in the uk for bringing Aircraft out of Russia, infact he is rebuilding a FW 189 Owl to flying condition see
http://www.aeroplanemonthly.com/fw189society/index.htm

He sells a lot of the Aircraft on to buyers be it either museums of private individuals that restore them back to flying or static condition, The New Static 110 in the Deutche museum was one of his, it was at one point going to be a flyer, There will probably be an update next month and if you want i will put that up to.

BerkshireHunt
02-02-2004, 08:42 AM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Rajvosa:
This is just wonderful!

Yes, there already is a Bf 109E flying in the USA. Made in Germany, of course.

The only airworthy Emil I know of was restored by one of the small British companies which specialise in that sort of thing. It was featured in Aeroplane magazine about three years ago when still in its primer finish. It was being restored for an American client in Chino.

Rajvosa
02-02-2004, 08:49 AM
Well, that's the one I'm referring to!

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noshens
02-02-2004, 08:51 AM
Who gets the money for it if it is sold, Russia or somebody else? Just intersted.

Taylortony
02-02-2004, 09:06 AM
I would say Jim Pearce will have paid for the recovery, any export taxes, licences or duties as well as for the plane, thing is who do you pay for something abandoned at the bottom of a lake, You could argue it still belongs to the Third Reich or Germany as it is now. That is the case with any American Aircraft dragged out of lakes in the States, although abroad is a different matter

SmokinTep
02-02-2004, 09:27 AM
Awesome

georgeo76
02-02-2004, 09:47 AM
kewl, she really held up on the bottom of that lake, kinda reminds me of Glacier Girl


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Chuck_Older
02-02-2004, 10:35 AM
It has been VERY tough to actually get aircraft out of the former Soviet Union in the past. Anyone remember the mag "Warbirds Worldwide"? They had an article amybe 5 years ago now, about a B-239 that was taken out of a lake in Russian Karelia. This a/c's condition was also incredible. The cold water apparently preserves these things well, not a lot of oxygen at those temepratures? Anyway, you could clearly read the a/c's number on the side of the plane. The Brewster was put on it's own landing gear, and stood on tires that hadn't burst or lost their air, while the machine guns (which looked like they'd been out in the rain for a month) were removed per instructions received from local authorities. If anyone can find that magazine (a Picture of a P-51D painted to look like Anderson's Old Crow is on the cover, going vertical) it is really worth the read, it's a story very similar to this.

In another issue, they had a Bf 109 that had been almost certainly been flown by Hans-Joachim Marseille in combat, recovered from somewhere in the former Soviet Union!

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masamainio
02-02-2004, 11:18 AM
Here is the link to the Brewster.

http://heninen.net/brewster/english.htm

Bearcat99
02-02-2004, 11:20 AM
Wow that is great!!! I saw what they did to Glacier Girl so if restorers canm do that this will be a cake walk. That is awesome!! I cant get over the yellow paint.

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SodBuster43
02-02-2004, 11:40 AM
Now...If we could only get Oleg to go diving for an intact Soviet Pe-8 and other missing cockpits we would have the references we need to complete all the aircraft in Forgotten Battles to fully restored flyable condition also http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-tongue.gif

AirBot
02-02-2004, 11:52 AM
Awesome! Another bit of history preserved.
Thanks for the scans.

FW190fan
02-02-2004, 12:01 PM
Dang look at that yellow cowl. Awesome.

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SeaFireLIV
02-02-2004, 12:51 PM
Quite amazing.
http://img12.photobucket.com/albums/v31/SeaFireLIV/littlelaff.jpg

horseback
02-02-2004, 01:07 PM
Whew, what a relief... saw the thread title and thought they'd found my former mother in law.

"Big pics and I mean BIG"-- I mean, what else could it have been, besides a sturgeon?

Cheers

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02-02-2004, 02:02 PM
I've red quite some time ago on a www.rambler.ru (http://www.rambler.ru) that they recovered Il-2 in a very good condition from the bottom of the lake in Estonia. With the plane they found a pilot and a gunner. From the documents found on them they were able to estabish their identities and inform their ralatives.

LeadSpitter_
02-02-2004, 04:56 PM
amazing post, its crazy how intact the emil is from hitting the water, I dont see any bullet strikes on the wings or fuselage,

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Vamandrac_Steam
02-02-2004, 05:27 PM
Lets hope those planes find good homes where they can be restored for all to enjoy.

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tfu_iain1
02-02-2004, 06:12 PM
surely the problem with restoring them is locating engines for them?

that was always the problem with black 6 - it spent most of its 'after-life' with engine troubles, and spares were a nightmare.

necrobaron
02-02-2004, 06:14 PM
Just incredible! I love these awesome warbird recovery stories. I guess this converted E-1 will be the most original Emil(and Bf-109,for that matter)in the world. We need to start draining lakes in Russia and see what other goodies they find. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-wink.gif

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Taylortony
02-02-2004, 06:27 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by tfu_iain1:
surely the problem with restoring them is locating engines for them?

that was always the problem with black 6 - it spent most of its 'after-life' with engine troubles, and spares were a nightmare.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I do believe they have found a cache of about 5 plus inhibited and crated DB601 engines in a Russian warehouse....... mind you with them being manufactured by slave labour they will need a damn good strip and inspection.

Kampfmeister
02-02-2004, 07:05 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by LeadSpitter_:
amazing post, its crazy how intact the emil is from hitting the water, I dont see any bullet strikes on the wings or fuselage,

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The article said he force landed his plane on the frozen lake. It didn't say why. Maybe he just had engine trouble. It seems to have had very little damage up to that point though. The ice then must have cracked and broken later on before they could get the plane off, and the plane sank into the lake. I wonder where it will eventually end up?

Future-
02-02-2004, 07:48 PM
Well, I'm glad they didn't find the pilot in it. That short mention about the frozen IL-2 is spooky enough. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

I'm glad another piece of aircraft history has been found.

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WUAF_Badsight
02-02-2004, 09:51 PM
WHHAAAAAA

i buy that mag too but seing as im in New Zealand im a month behind in releases
i get lasts months edition when you english guys get the current months released

whhhaaaaa i got a month too wait

(BTW the edition (september 2003) that had the LA review showed the ONLY flying LA in the world ..... a LA-9 ..... it was restored right here in Auckland NZ)

V_Flatspin
02-02-2004, 10:11 PM
I notice the canopy intact on one of those pics, wonder if they found the pilot in there as well.

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