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Sturmvogel66
01-04-2004, 01:09 AM
I love that bird. I have been flying it lately offline, and I must say that I feel very immersed in the game when I fly this plane. You cannot just jam the throttle at a high power for a long time to just get to your target, you have to have good engine management, and the guages operate very realistically. I have not noticed the same thing on other planes instruments, but the VSI for instance (vertical speed indicator) and the Altimeter don't always match up. When you start a climb the VSI will still be coming up as the altimeter is already going up, so you could be reading -500 fpm, but you are really climbing at +500 fpm. Really cool, thanks Oleg!

Sturmvogel66
01-04-2004, 01:09 AM
I love that bird. I have been flying it lately offline, and I must say that I feel very immersed in the game when I fly this plane. You cannot just jam the throttle at a high power for a long time to just get to your target, you have to have good engine management, and the guages operate very realistically. I have not noticed the same thing on other planes instruments, but the VSI for instance (vertical speed indicator) and the Altimeter don't always match up. When you start a climb the VSI will still be coming up as the altimeter is already going up, so you could be reading -500 fpm, but you are really climbing at +500 fpm. Really cool, thanks Oleg!

pourshot
01-04-2004, 02:03 AM
yep it's alot of fun and when you get a kill in it you know you had to work for it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Sturmvogel66
01-04-2004, 02:11 AM
So true...who needs rewards...getting a kill and returning home in one piece is a big enough reward for me.

DeerHunterUK
01-04-2004, 05:41 AM
We had a P-40e pilot on our pre-41 DF server last week.He handled the aircraft so well he could even turnfight with the B239 with ease.We usually had to double up to bring him down, it was fantastic to watch.

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VMF513_Wolf
01-04-2004, 05:45 AM
the only bad thing is taht its 2 slow compared to late a/c....why did they stoped to makep40's after 1942 or they didnt?

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DeerHunterUK
01-04-2004, 05:51 AM
Curtiss continued building P-40s, the last production P-40 built was a P-40N which rolled off the production line on 30th November 1944.

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SeaFireLIV
01-04-2004, 06:10 AM
I`ve always liked the look of the P40, even before flightsims. But I got put off it in 1.11, cos it was so stally. Then i tried the P40e in 1.21 and it is indeed a joy to fly now. Also, like the earlier poster said, all the visual cues are there too. It`s certainly my favourite American plane.

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VMF513_Wolf
01-04-2004, 06:12 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DeerHunterUK:
Curtiss continued building P-40s, the last production P-40 built was a P-40N which rolled off the production line on 30th November 1944.

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cool...was it any good? I WANT IT IN FB!!!:P

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arcadeace
01-04-2004, 06:13 AM
I think its a good a/c for those just learning the sim. It's characteristics are easy enough for takoff/landing as well as learning how to maneuver and entering into dogfights. It takes a lot to get a kill, but understanding its limits is not too difficult.

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Osirisx9
01-04-2004, 07:00 AM
[ I have not noticed the same thing on other planes instruments, but the VSI for instance (vertical speed indicator) and the Altimeter don't always match up. When you start a climb the VSI will still be coming up as the altimeter is already going up, so you could be reading -500 fpm, but you are really climbing at +500 fpm. Really cool, thanks Oleg![/QUOTE]

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The VSI will never instantly match up with the altimeter when the aircraft is in transit from one specific altitude to another. The reason for this is because of the way the instrument is designed. It indicates the rate of climb or decent by measuring the rate of change in air presure. The altimeter indicates altitude by measuring air pressure and not the rate of change of air pressure therefore its indication is immediate. The VSI is designed to have a calibrated leak or inlet-outlet. This inlet-outlet lets air in or our out at a specific rate and will lag for a few seconds before it reads correctly. This is why durring primary intrument training, Instument flight instuctors make known that you should not chase the needle on a VSI. The VSI is meant to be a backup instrument that confirms a climb or decent and to achieve a specific rate of decent or climb. The proper way to do this is to Check your Altimeter and airspeed indicator first because they will give you an immediate indication of your transition in altitude. For instance, once you begin a climb you will notice that the altimeter is indicating that you are gaining altitude and if your power reamains constant your airspeed will start decreasing. By this time you will notice that the VSI will begin to indicate a climb. If you were in a decent the VSI will start to transition from a negetive reading to positive. When the VSI settles that is when it is indicating your actual rate of climb. It will be the opposite durring a decent. The rate is what is actually indicated on the instument. In short the VSI is working properly.

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Vipez-
01-04-2004, 07:15 AM
Imo P-40E is the best soviet plane for 1941 planes servers.. I'm still shocked how well P-40E handles at above 6000 meters with single stage supercharger http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif It's only disadvantage is the weak climb, but it more than hold it's own against F-4s and F-2s. In VEF it's clearly the most dangerous opponent.


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VMF513_Wolf
01-04-2004, 10:00 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Vipez-:
Imo P-40E is the best soviet plane for 1941 planes servers.. I'm still shocked how well P-40E handles at above 6000 meters with single stage supercharger http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif It's only disadvantage is the weak climb, but it more than hold it's own against F-4s and F-2s. In VEF it's clearly the most dangerous opponent.


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u can fly p40 in VEF already?? cool...I tryed to fly thouse I-18 and 24,they sux especialy I-18..how do u suppose to kill enemy with guns that was used as a tracer..lol but if they go p40's now I may start playing it again..

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mllaneza
01-04-2004, 10:45 AM
I've been seeing P-40s on dogfight servers lately. A few pilots have figured them out to the point where they can compete online with 'em. More power to those guys, taking a nominally less effective and winning because you know it well must be a real thrill.

Not that that helped the guy who tried to turnfight a Zero. Much. He did well and had a little help.

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Vipez-
01-04-2004, 12:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VMF513_Wolf:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Vipez-:
Imo P-40E is the best soviet plane for 1941 planes servers.. I'm still shocked how well P-40E handles at above 6000 meters with single stage supercharger http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif It's only disadvantage is the weak climb, but it more than hold it's own against F-4s and F-2s. In VEF it's clearly the most dangerous opponent.


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u can fly p40 in VEF already?? cool...I tryed to fly thouse I-18 and 24,they sux especialy I-18..how do u suppose to kill enemy with guns that was used as a tracer..lol but if they go p40's now I may start playing it again..

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Yes. its relatively rare (not as common as Lagg3s and Yaks) , but it certainly is there and it's presence can be felt.. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


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LeadSpitter_
01-04-2004, 12:54 PM
The speed of the p40e is off it should out run the early lagg3 by 30kmph at 1000m, right now the early lagg3 is faster because of 120 mix and the p40e and m should have 120-100 mix ability like the p40e field mod just like the p47 and p51 should have the ability to choose full rich down on the deck to improve power, the pilots manual even states this for the aircraft.

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1.JaVA_Razer
01-04-2004, 01:04 PM
Is it me or has the P40 got it's feul mixture dropped with last patch? I think it's automatic now?

LeadSpitter_
01-04-2004, 02:52 PM
yeah its auto only now with the exception of the p40e field mod which has 120-100 mix still

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Vipez-
01-04-2004, 03:27 PM
It may lack some 10-30 kmh of top speed, but apart from that, its modelled quite optimally.. it has very good perfomance at above 6000 m, and can do amazing loops in front of Bf109 F-4. Quite well with an engine with singlestage supercharger, don't you think?


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p1ngu666
01-04-2004, 03:37 PM
the p40 was DIRE at high alt cos of its alison engine, same as the p39/mustang etc
high alt modeling in fb is dodgy
heard they would dift along at 90mph or something indicated at a unspecicified alt

chunkylovepony
01-04-2004, 07:11 PM
Gotta love it though. It just "feels" like a WWII plane. (like I know what a WWII plane feels like http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif)

So what if its slow and it can't climb for crap... http://server5.uploadit.org/files2/050104-new1.JPG

ElAurens
01-04-2004, 09:54 PM
By far my favorite REAL fighter. It just looks right!! the aircraft in FB is pretty close to reality now, just a little off in top speed. What I find interesting about it is it's dual personality. As in real life, the P40 can out turn Bf109s, but cannot out turn the A6M5a Zero. So you must adjust your tactics for the quarry at hand. I always try to start out with an alt. advantage, no matter what I face with it,(common sense), but like few other aircraft it does give you the option of switching from BnZ to TnB if the need arises. It dives with great poise, but it will start sheddng parts about 760 or so kph. The guns are effective and easy to aim thanks to the steady platform. I find that the P40 is, by far, the easiest deflection shooter in the game for me.

I eagerly await the upcoming P40B and C. The planes of the Flying Tigers. If modeled correctly they should be as fast as what we have, but, have a much higher roll rate!
The official figures for the P40 through P40c are 135 degrees per second. We can only hope.

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Recon_609IAP
01-04-2004, 10:36 PM
p40 is my favorite, i've endured the dive bug, the so-so roll rate - finally it is what i imagined it to be http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

definitely my favorite 'early' bird - with the stang being my favorite late war bird.

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Maulkin
01-04-2004, 11:12 PM
I hated it when it first entered into the IL2 scene as it flew horribly. I have not touched it until a few weeks ago some buddies I fly with have been having alot of coop missions with P-40 and P-39's (which I also hated but have to come to love for the same reasons) and combined with my flying getting better from all the practise and the plane 'feels' real I have really come to respect these two aircraft.

One of the main gripes I had with this aircraft, as well as the P-39, Hurricane IIb, and Mustang were the red tracers. I just cant see them for some reason. It feels like I am not really firing so it would screw my aim up. But I am starting to get used to that too.

The only thing that has been puzzelling me is the location of the fuel gauge. I had trouble finding it on the Mustang until it was pointed out its over the left shoulder. But I cannot find the fuel gauge in the P-40 anywhere. Can anyone point it out to me? (BTW the gauge that has three indicators does not contain the fuel gauge. That is fuel pressure)

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ElAurens
01-05-2004, 04:55 AM
My copy of the P40 Flight Manual shows the fuel level indicator to be just left of the airspeed indicator. Left side of instrument panel, small gauge.

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michapma
01-05-2004, 07:51 AM
The P-40 is a legend. My earliest distinct memory of a WWII aircraft was reading a book about the Flying Tigers and building a P-40 model. I'm also very glad that it's characteristics have been corrected.

It's my favorite plane to land in, and one of my preferred planes overall. I've gotten a fair share of kills in it. I recently read that Eastern Front pilots preferred the P-39 for durability, which has me doing some reconsidering on its toughness. I always thought it was too fragile in FB.

I've often glanced over the cockpit gauges looking for a fuel indicator. Never found it to my recollection. I'll have to have a closer look. For now, here's more on what EL said:

http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~chapman/flightsims/images/p-40/poh_page18.jpg

http://people.ee.ethz.ch/~chapman/flightsims/images/p-40/poh_page19.jpg

IAF-JiNjI
01-05-2004, 11:38 AM
i like the p-40 but it dont have enough fire power ...

michapma
01-05-2004, 03:20 PM
Sure it does.

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michapma
01-05-2004, 03:33 PM
Found the fuel gauge. In all three models it's on the floor, just to the left of the right rudder pedal. Unfortunately it doesn't work. It and the fuel selector valve look just like in the diagram above, but neither is functional.

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Grapen
01-05-2004, 05:13 PM
It seems the center fuselage tank guage should be where the clock is in the left side of the instument panel.

The guage on the floor by the right rudder pedal should be there as its the right wingtank guage.

There should also be a guage for the leftwing tank on the cockpit floor at the left side of the pilots seat.

All this info was found by watching a P40 training film;'Ways of the Warhawk' found on this website:

http://www.zenoswarbirdvideos.com/main.html

Sturmvogel66
01-05-2004, 06:21 PM
Wow, I start one little thread out of my love for the plane, and the true P-40 fans come out of the dark S! to you guys. I too love this plane. In response to what Osiris posted on the first page. I know how a VSI is supposed to operate and what the characteristics are of it in real life, I am a pilot http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif. My point was that in IL-2, I only get a real feeling of the instruments when I am in the P-40. The other planes just don't seem to respon realistically.