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crazyivan1970
01-14-2004, 12:36 PM
Ok folks, i just got off the phone with Hunter and our brilliant tech confirmed: all neccessary tools that needed to battle speed hacks is available in conf.ini (IL2/FB) or confs.ini(dedicated server)

ClientRate settings with combination of Maxlag setting will battle windows speed hacks without problem. Unfortunately i can`t give out details of how all this thing works...but i can assure you it does work and i can guarantee a happy hack owner a nice computer lockup after he gets booted. And he will get booted.

Note to all host:

serverrate and clientrate should be equal to 1 in configuration files.
checkServerTimeSpeed=1
checkClientTimeSpeed=1

Those are maxlag settings i use:

[MaxLag]
farMaxLagTime=6.0
nearMaxLagTime=1.5
cheaterWarningDelay=3.0
cheaterWarningNum=2
and it works out just fine. Not too tough, but tough enough http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
It`s up to you hosts, you can use it or not, but i`v been using it for a while and it seem to keep bad guys away.
To happy hack users: Please step into my server and prove me otherwise http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

V!
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crazyivan1970
01-14-2004, 12:36 PM
Ok folks, i just got off the phone with Hunter and our brilliant tech confirmed: all neccessary tools that needed to battle speed hacks is available in conf.ini (IL2/FB) or confs.ini(dedicated server)

ClientRate settings with combination of Maxlag setting will battle windows speed hacks without problem. Unfortunately i can`t give out details of how all this thing works...but i can assure you it does work and i can guarantee a happy hack owner a nice computer lockup after he gets booted. And he will get booted.

Note to all host:

serverrate and clientrate should be equal to 1 in configuration files.
checkServerTimeSpeed=1
checkClientTimeSpeed=1

Those are maxlag settings i use:

[MaxLag]
farMaxLagTime=6.0
nearMaxLagTime=1.5
cheaterWarningDelay=3.0
cheaterWarningNum=2
and it works out just fine. Not too tough, but tough enough http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
It`s up to you hosts, you can use it or not, but i`v been using it for a while and it seem to keep bad guys away.
To happy hack users: Please step into my server and prove me otherwise http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

V!
Regards,

VFC*Crazyivan aka VFC*HOST

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Kozhedub: In combat potential, the Yak-3, La-7 and La-9 fighters were indisputably superior to the Bf-109s and Fw-190s. But, as they say, no matter how good the violin may be, much depends on the violinist. I always felt respect for an enemy pilot whose plane I failed to down.

Korolov
01-14-2004, 01:02 PM
For fear of lockups, who's going to want to join that server with the cheat?

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adlabs6
01-14-2004, 01:09 PM
I'm going to make an effor to be there tonight. I want to see how these settings handle my connection. See ya there!

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Udidtoo
01-14-2004, 01:10 PM
CrazyIvan, thumbs up to you. I can't even play on line except when we go to Phoenix to the wifes cousin' home but if I did, I would rather be shot down 100 times in a row clean than get my kills by a cheat.
Now it will be intresting to see how many of the crazed lemmings will read your post and how many will just keep heading for the cliff http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif


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SKULLS Virga
01-14-2004, 01:15 PM
Atta way Ivan. Thanks for the leg work. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

txmx
01-14-2004, 01:20 PM
Thanks for verifying it CrazyIvan and Hunter! F16_Dedicated has been running these settings for quite some time.

Cheers!

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BpGemini
01-14-2004, 01:21 PM
Good job Ivan/Hunter http://blitzpigs.com/forum/images/smiles/beerchug.gif

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Fennec_P
01-14-2004, 01:31 PM
Bump

This should be sticky.



Internal server error

crazyivan1970
01-14-2004, 01:35 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BpGemini:
Good job Ivan/Hunter http://blitzpigs.com/forum/images/smiles/beerchug.gif

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<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It`s more like Hunter/Ivan Gem, i am still a young grasshopper as he says http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

One more thing, FBD users who bypasses maxlag and clientspeed settings from ini file should be aware that their servers are open to cheats and the only thing they protected from is high ping.

V!
Regards,

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Kozhedub: In combat potential, the Yak-3, La-7 and La-9 fighters were indisputably superior to the Bf-109s and Fw-190s. But, as they say, no matter how good the violin may be, much depends on the violinist. I always felt respect for an enemy pilot whose plane I failed to down.

Recon_609IAP
01-14-2004, 02:12 PM
Good stuff - thanks Ivan

I have applied those setting on my machine...bring it on hackers! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

LOL

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PF_Coastie
01-14-2004, 02:17 PM
I have been testing this thing and I get kicked everytime with above settings. Still experimenting with it though.

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WooHooToYou
01-14-2004, 02:23 PM
It's a great solution IF the guy running the server has made the correct 'adjustments' to the conf.ini file.

I fear many will not.

[This message was edited by Tully__ on Thu January 15 2004 at 02:12 AM.]

1.JaVA_Hornet
01-14-2004, 02:27 PM
crazyivan / Hunter,

This is great we all have to fight against
cheaters.

This is a very great sim and we don`t have
to let it wraped by filthy men.

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BpGemini
01-14-2004, 02:34 PM
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LilHorse
01-14-2004, 02:44 PM
Burmp! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

C_FA
01-14-2004, 02:46 PM
Just to add a little info to this if anyone`s missed it.

After reading here and on the VOW and Netwing forums some squad mates and I duplicated this speedhack with a simple easily downloaded program.

The good news about is its very easy to find the (XXX player) in the logs.lst file on the dedicated server we are running.

e.g. socketConnection with xx.xx.xx.xx:21000 on channel 1 lost. Reason: Timeout .

Every time we ran the test and used the speedhack program after about 2 to 5 seconds X player was booted reason timeout .
-----( there`s a space between the last (t) in timeout and the (.)period.

On a normal timeout there wasn`t a space between.

10 out 10 times this worked and was loged.

Hope this helpes.

~S~

PF_Coastie
01-14-2004, 03:03 PM
Very good C_FA, My squad can confirm the same thing. This is good! Still testing to show the name of the person in cheat message if not booted immediately for timeout.

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Hunter82
01-14-2004, 03:09 PM
For those that still don't believe it that may read this.... I tested about 20 different programs and over time, starting during original IL2 days sent the link and programs to Oleg for all of us to test. Each one still results in a boot and 9X's out of 10 the users system locks up nicely due to a memory buffer overflowhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

And the best part really is totally unrelated to IL2 users of these programs can effectivly bank on early processor or memory retirement.... They play havoc on the items http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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crazyivan1970
01-14-2004, 03:10 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PF_Coastie:
Very good C_FA, My squad can confirm the same thing. This is good! Still testing to show the name of the person in cheat message if not booted immediately for timeout.

PF_Coastie

OFFICIAL ATI BETA TESTER<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Thanks for one more comfirmation guys.
Looks like Coastie is going to expose some bastiges too hehe.

V!
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Kozhedub: In combat potential, the Yak-3, La-7 and La-9 fighters were indisputably superior to the Bf-109s and Fw-190s. But, as they say, no matter how good the violin may be, much depends on the violinist. I always felt respect for an enemy pilot whose plane I failed to down.

crazyivan1970
01-14-2004, 03:14 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hunter82:
For those that still don't believe it that may read this.... I tested about 20 different programs and over time, starting during original IL2 days sent the link and programs to Oleg for all of us to test. Each one still results in a boot and 9X's out of 10 the users system locks up nicely due to a memory buffer overflowhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

And the best part really is totally unrelated to IL2 users of these programs can effectivly bank on early processor or memory retirement.... They play havoc on the items http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Da man has spoken, now surrender your little progges and ask for refund while it`s not too late http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

V!
Regards,

VFC*Crazyivan aka VFC*HOST

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Kozhedub: In combat potential, the Yak-3, La-7 and La-9 fighters were indisputably superior to the Bf-109s and Fw-190s. But, as they say, no matter how good the violin may be, much depends on the violinist. I always felt respect for an enemy pilot whose plane I failed to down.

BpGemini
01-14-2004, 03:45 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hunter82:
For those that still don't believe it that may read this.... I tested about 20 different programs and over time, starting during original IL2 days sent the link and programs to Oleg for all of us to test. Each one still results in a boot and 9X's out of 10 the users system locks up nicely due to a memory buffer overflowhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

And the best part really is totally unrelated to IL2 users of these programs can effectivly bank on early processor or memory retirement.... They play havoc on the items http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Da man has spoken, now surrender your little progges and ask for refund while it`s not too late http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


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Vengeanze
01-14-2004, 03:51 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
Ok folks, i just got off the phone with Hunter and...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

U got Hunts number? Hunt, u slüt!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

SKULLS Virga
01-14-2004, 04:39 PM
All your hack's are belong to us.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Hunter82
01-14-2004, 05:11 PM
Yep and I went out to lunch with Ivan just before Christmas..... I even bought http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

And yes I am a man***** http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Vengeanze:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
Ok folks, i just got off the phone with Hunter and...<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

U got Hunts number? Hunt, u slüt!! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gifhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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BpGemini
01-14-2004, 05:27 PM
Will someone sticky this thread already.

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Hunter82
01-14-2004, 06:31 PM
Speedgear 3.01 and the entire speedgear version releases have been tested and do not work on properly set up servers http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif The only revisions made to these programs were adressing stability issues when used...they do not however change the make up of the actual program and it's abilities.

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Wing_Walker
01-14-2004, 06:36 PM
Whatever happened to Oleg? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif Didn't Maddox:1C design the anti-cheat mechanism?

I'd like to hear a word from the master before I'll take this theory as gospel! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif

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Zen.Fighter
01-15-2004, 12:13 AM
I regret to inform you that I tested it on F16_Dedicated server and it worked excellent. I wasn't boot and I could use it forever.

Still I have not tested it in Greatergreen cause it's always so full http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif.

AFJ_Locust
01-15-2004, 01:44 AM
Thx Ivan.....

Mastiff updated our server to thoes settings.

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HansKnappstick
01-15-2004, 02:45 AM
Can the first post in this thread be edited so that we know which files are to be modified as described?

SpinSpinSugar
01-15-2004, 03:25 AM
Do the admins of GreaterGreen and UK_Dedicated ply these boards? Just wondering as that's where I generally go to get shot down. Not that anyone would need a speed hack to shoot me down but it would be nice to know.

Also, the very idea of any VOW users doing this is awful. Some folks take the online wars really seriously in terms of statistics and as VOW relies on individual hosts this sort of thing would require a lot of co-operation to overcome. Or am I missing something?

Cheers,

SSS

Hunter82
01-15-2004, 05:36 AM
Yes they do as far as I know http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SpinSpinSugar:
Do the admins of GreaterGreen and UK_Dedicated ply these boards? Just wondering as that's where I generally go to get shot down. Not that anyone would need a speed hack to shoot me down but it would be nice to know.

Also, the very idea of any VOW users doing this is awful. Some folks take the online wars really seriously in terms of statistics and as VOW relies on individual hosts this sort of thing would require a lot of co-operation to overcome. Or am I missing something?

Cheers,

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BpGemini
01-15-2004, 07:59 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Zen.Fighter:
I regret to inform you that I tested it on F16_Dedicated server and it worked excellent. I wasn't boot and I could use it forever.

Still I have not tested it in Greatergreen cause it's always so full http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Was the server set up to stop it?

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BTZ_Bonehead
01-15-2004, 08:43 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
One more thing, FBD users who bypasses maxlag and clientspeed settings from ini file should be aware that their servers are open to cheats and the only thing they protected from is high ping.

V!
Regards,<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Can you explain what you mean here please, how would a FBD user 'bypass' these settings, if they were using ping kick? Thanks

Bone

PriK
01-15-2004, 11:20 AM
Great work Hunter and CrazyIvan!

I think we'll be needing a sticky thread with a list of all outed cheaters names.

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crazyivan1970
01-15-2004, 11:41 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Zen.Fighter:
I regret to inform you that I tested it on F16_Dedicated server and it worked excellent. I wasn't boot and I could use it forever.

Still I have not tested it in Greatergreen cause it's always so full http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

They using all anticheats features now, try it again.

I run my server last night and spend more time looking for when and how and who got booted and i must say that number of autokicks tripled lol. I guess people were trying to prove me otherwise after this post.

V!
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Kozhedub: In combat potential, the Yak-3, La-7 and La-9 fighters were indisputably superior to the Bf-109s and Fw-190s. But, as they say, no matter how good the violin may be, much depends on the violinist. I always felt respect for an enemy pilot whose plane I failed to down.

crazyivan1970
01-15-2004, 11:44 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BTZ_Bonehead:

Can you explain what you mean here please, how would a FBD user 'bypass' these settings, if they were using ping kick? Thanks

Bone<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Bone, i am not that familiar with FBD setup, above statement is taken from what Hunter told me over the phone and since he has a great experiance with FBD i take his word for it. I guess it`s a one of the features that regulates security VIA FBD. I`ll ask him to explain this better.

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Kozhedub: In combat potential, the Yak-3, La-7 and La-9 fighters were indisputably superior to the Bf-109s and Fw-190s. But, as they say, no matter how good the violin may be, much depends on the violinist. I always felt respect for an enemy pilot whose plane I failed to down.

BTZ_Bonehead
01-15-2004, 11:54 AM
Thanks for that fella http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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Zen.Fighter
01-15-2004, 12:05 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by crazyivan1970:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Zen.Fighter:
I regret to inform you that I tested it on F16_Dedicated server and it worked excellent. I wasn't boot and I could use it forever.

Still I have not tested it in Greatergreen cause it's always so full http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


They using all anticheats features now, try it again.

I run my server last night and spend more time looking for when and how and who got booted and i must say that number of autokicks tripled lol. I guess people were trying to prove me otherwise after this post.

V!
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VFC*Crazyivan aka VFC*HOST
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I just tested it on Greatergreen and I could use it successfully. Damn...

I won't give further details (though it's easy to use it) but it kinda scares me that still is useable.

crazyivan1970
01-15-2004, 12:09 PM
greatergreen is not using it yet. They run FBD with high ping restriction.

V!
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Kozhedub: In combat potential, the Yak-3, La-7 and La-9 fighters were indisputably superior to the Bf-109s and Fw-190s. But, as they say, no matter how good the violin may be, much depends on the violinist. I always felt respect for an enemy pilot whose plane I failed to down.

ElAurens
01-15-2004, 12:34 PM
Thanks Ivan/Hunter.... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


My servers (when they are up) are all now configured this way.

Rangoon anyone?

Or perhaps the Burma Road?

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psycoderek
01-15-2004, 01:48 PM
http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif So there are "players?" who cheat are there. Why do this, it undervalues an exciting game and undervalues the ability of the cheat.
If they are not good enough to do battle honestly, they should play against themselves.
It seems you guys have cottened on to this and blasted the cheat. I hope his PC blows up.
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RxMan
01-15-2004, 01:55 PM
So, now it is admitted that there was/is a cheat for this game. After so much refusing to believe, and stateing it couldn't be done. I suspected as much but was unable to pin down what was happening so kept my mouth shut, Which I should probably do right now.

Hunter82
01-15-2004, 02:07 PM
FBD has a high ping limit kick. SOme servers just use that to regulate pings and do not use the auto kick feature on a tighter setting or disabled. I believe Sammy just uses FBD on Greater Green or a combo of low IL2 ini restraints and FBD. I'll send him a PM to this thread.

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01-15-2004, 02:26 PM
Reason being is the cheat was fixed in the original IL2. We/I take for granted hosts and users read the read me's included with each patch or occasionally read the manual that comes with the game http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RxMan:
So, now it is admitted that there was/is a cheat for this game. After so much refusing to believe, and stateing it couldn't be done. I suspected as much but was unable to pin down what was happening so kept my mouth shut, Which I should probably do right now.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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BTZ_Bonehead
01-15-2004, 02:28 PM
Well I altered the settings in the confs file as this thread said and I have turned ping kick off FBD Ill see what happens.

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crazyivan1970
01-15-2004, 04:11 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by RxMan:
So, now it is admitted that there was/is a cheat for this game. After so much refusing to believe, and stateing it couldn't be done. I suspected as much but was unable to pin down what was happening so kept my mouth shut, Which I should probably do right now.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

If you really think about it..even with windows speed hack and all other crap that is out there...still, FB is un-cracked and it`s a good thing. Even better thing is the fact that developer still care and provided all kinds of tools to battle unwanted losers. I consider this community very lucky, i can`t even name one that would have such an outstanding support in all areas. So many games with great potential failed due to cheating... deffinitely lucky http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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TgD-Sammie
01-15-2004, 08:31 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Zen.Fighter:

I just tested it on Greatergreen and I could use it successfully. Damn...

I won't give further details (though it's easy to use it) but it kinda scares me that still is useable.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
I have a private dedicated server on a different server in the data center, which I use for FB Daemon work and squad stuff. Stop by my forums and pop me a PM if you want to run some further testing with this, and I will set you up with the connection and password. I certainly would like to eliminate it as best as possible.

I did update some settings recently, but the game has been real stable lately on the server, and I don't think I have had a chance to restart it (it hasn't crashed) since my modifications to confs.ini.

Thanks,
Sammie

Lucius_Esox
01-15-2004, 11:32 PM
I'm no techie but I am intrigued by this. How exactly does this "cheat" help someone to shoot me down?? It's not that important because there are plenty that dont need it to do this to me but it would be interesting to see if some of my suspicions were correct. Also how long has this been around http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Wulf_123VEF
01-16-2004, 03:22 AM
The way it works is this... imagine you have 2 buttons on your joystick, one mapped to "speed up" the other to "slow down".
Ingame online you can speed up to catch an enemy (or run away). Or you can slow down in case you are already going too fast to get a good killshot,(sort of like putting on the handbrake when you get in close). Or for example you are in a turn fight and cant quite get round on your opponents 6, by speeding up you can get there easily.
The thing to remember is that it is RELATIVE speed increases/decreases, YOU speed up/slow down but all other aircraft stay at their correct speed.
The use of this has been prevalent especially amongst R*****n squads who seem to think winning at ANY cost is ok, and that fair play and honour is a sign of weakness. (There! I've said the R word!)

SKY_BOSS
01-16-2004, 05:55 AM
I can see it now. CFS2 all over again. Mods everywhere. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

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plumps_
01-16-2004, 06:15 AM
Ivan, some hours ago I was shot down on your server about 35 km away from the closest enemy base. Player XXX had performed some amazing booming & zooming in his Bf-109 that made my Yak-9U look very old. He had also managed to explode the Yak with a single short burst; Yaks will not often explode that fast. His remark after this was "wishes you God's speed".

The second time he shot me down I was surprised to see the message "XXX is RTB" after a very short time. According to my chatlog the player that had hit me above my remote base landed on his own base only 2:27 minutes afterwards. His average speed, including the landing, must have been clearly more than 700 km/h.
I tested this offline and found that I needed at least four minutes for that distance.

So there seems to be some evidence that he was using a speedcheat on your server even with the new settings. (?)
Unfortunately I don't have a track, but maybe further detail can be taken from the server log? (Exact position where I was shot down, position and time of XXX's landing). If you like I can give you more information.

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BADGER401
01-16-2004, 08:04 AM
I think anyone who does try to cheat should be taken out back, made to kneel and have a bullet fired in the base of the brain stem. Then we can all line up and piss on their body... Agreed?

Having said that the #401Cdn.BADGER hosted games have been updated with the conf.ini fix as well as Seabees and Tiggers

BADGER401
01-16-2004, 08:12 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by plumps_:
Ivan, some hours ago I was shot down on your server about 35 km away from the closest enemy base. Player XXX had performed some amazing booming & zooming in his Bf-109 that made my Yak-9U look very old. He had also managed to explode the Yak with a single short burst; Yaks will not often explode that fast. His remark after this was "wishes you God's speed".

The second time he shot me down I was surprised to see the message "XXX is RTB" after a very short time. According to my chatlog the player that had hit me above my remote base landed on his own base only 2:27 minutes afterwards. His average speed, including the landing, must have been clearly more than 700 km/h.
I tested this offline and found that I needed at least four minutes for that distance.

So there seems to be some evidence that he was using a speedcheat on your server even with the new settings. (?)
Unfortunately I don't have a track, but maybe further detail can be taken from the server log? (Exact position where I was shot down, position and time of XXX's landing). If you like I can give you more information.

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So Plumps who was it. Lets get him banned from Hyperlobby through Jiri..

crazyivan1970
01-16-2004, 08:52 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Wulf_123VEF:
The way it works is this... imagine you have 2 buttons on your joystick, one mapped to "speed up" the other to "slow down".
Ingame online you can speed up to catch an enemy (or run away). Or you can slow down in case you are already going too fast to get a good killshot,(sort of like putting on the handbrake when you get in close). Or for example you are in a turn fight and cant quite get round on your opponents 6, by speeding up you can get there easily.
The thing to remember is that it is RELATIVE speed increases/decreases, YOU speed up/slow down but all other aircraft stay at their correct speed.
The use of this has been prevalent especially amongst R*****n squads who seem to think winning at ANY cost is ok, and that fair play and honour is a sign of weakness. (There! I've said the R word!)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes, please, give me more info. Also, try to record a track next time. There is always a possibility that new speed hacks might be available, and that`s why 1.22 is being delayed. I cannot give any datails on mechanics of speed hack defence for known reasons.
Would you please start privat topic on this issue. Thanks!

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georgeo76
01-16-2004, 09:15 AM
I'm happy to hear about this cheating for two reasons

a. it's nice to know that these things can be discovered and corrected so quickly, also very cool that there are built in tools to help hosts deal w/ any problem

b. Heck I've been holding my own against cheaters, while playing honestly, that must mean that I'm pretty damn goodhttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif


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crazyivan1970
01-16-2004, 09:45 AM
Oh georgeo, thanks man http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif I do my best hehe http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

But all credits whould go to Hunter really, he was the one who tested mutliple hack proggies and communicated with Oleg on this issue. I am just a middle man http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Kozhedub: In combat potential, the Yak-3, La-7 and La-9 fighters were indisputably superior to the Bf-109s and Fw-190s. But, as they say, no matter how good the violin may be, much depends on the violinist. I always felt respect for an enemy pilot whose plane I failed to down.

Wulf_123VEF
01-16-2004, 11:29 AM
My understanding from those that have tested with the most severe settings is that the cheat still works. As long as you are subtle with its use and dont get too greedy it works no matter what server settings are. (I know nothing of theory of this stuff). So maybe you guys need to do a bit more testing using the actual programme....which I wont mention for obvious reasons, check it out with guys on Netwings forums they know all the technical stuff.

Lucius_Esox
01-16-2004, 11:56 AM
Bl**dy hell!! Thanks Wulf,
That is a MASSIVE cheat. Like someone said earlier I am suprised that I have been able "to hold my own" on occasions with these people. What is really annoying is I'm not sure who, when? Just made me realise how important a level playing field is! Have to say this is the first time I have heard "cheating" publicly acknowledged on this board. Before now the denials were believable! Wannabe politicians I s'pose.

How long has it been going on?
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crazyivan1970
01-16-2004, 12:44 PM
Tell ya what guys, step up and prove it to me. I saw, he said..they said ... not too convincing... hell, i`ll enable externals just to see it work. I wouldn`t post anything if it wasn`t tested. Hunter tested near 20 versions of speed hack and got booted with screen lockup. Come on, show me that it works.. PF guys confirmed too that autokick takes place.. Sounds like i am making stuff up. Tell ya what, externals will be on VFC*HOST tonight, even that it might p#$$ off my regulars, i wanna see someone cheat and get away with it...with my own eyes http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif prove it to me http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Kozhedub: In combat potential, the Yak-3, La-7 and La-9 fighters were indisputably superior to the Bf-109s and Fw-190s. But, as they say, no matter how good the violin may be, much depends on the violinist. I always felt respect for an enemy pilot whose plane I failed to down.

Wulf_123VEF
01-16-2004, 12:56 PM
Guess you better look for someone that has the cheat programme and knows how to use it. I have seen it used (tracks available on Netwings VEF forum), It worked well and no-one that used it cleverly got booted, I for one would be wary of saying ANYTHING was or was not 100% possible. I dont think anyone is being personal or casting aspersions on anyone.

crazyivan1970
01-16-2004, 02:12 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Wulf_123VEF:
Guess you better look for someone that has the cheat programme and knows how to use it. I have seen it used (tracks available on Netwings VEF forum), It worked well and no-one that used it cleverly got booted, I for one would be wary of saying ANYTHING was or was not 100% possible. I dont think anyone is being personal or casting aspersions on anyone.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Wulf mate, i`m not saying that hackers deffence is 100%, all i am saying that i am not convinced until i see someone doing it. After all it`s for our own benefit to prove me otherwise, you know what i mean? Maddox is not aware of all possible hacks that out there, he didn`t write OS and can`t predict everything. It`s up to us, wether we want a hack free game or not, and for him to implement our finds.
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Kozhedub: In combat potential, the Yak-3, La-7 and La-9 fighters were indisputably superior to the Bf-109s and Fw-190s. But, as they say, no matter how good the violin may be, much depends on the violinist. I always felt respect for an enemy pilot whose plane I failed to down.

Wulf_123VEF
01-16-2004, 02:17 PM
Neither was I, until I saw it with my own eyes.. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Again you need to get in touch with someone that knows the technical stuff and has used it succesfully. There are many at Netwings that know and have proven this thing works with tight settings...maybe you could go there when its up and running again.
No offence btw.... my whole reason for raising this in the first place at SimHQ was to get it in the open the more know about it the better we can deal with it.
S!

Hunter82
01-16-2004, 02:30 PM
Been playing around with it. As well as when it was brought up months ago on netwings and simhq. There is a threshold when the program becomes 'active'. In other words you can set up a hot key with a slight speed increase. This key is ineffective in game as they change is not enough to push the system faster. Once you exceed that threshold to where it can actually effect the game speed the auto kick feature will detect it.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Wulf_123VEF:
Neither was I, until I saw it with my own eyes.. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Again you need to get in touch with someone that knows the technical stuff and has used it succesfully. There are many at Netwings that know and have proven this thing works with tight settings...maybe you could go there when its up and running again.
No offence btw.... my whole reason for raising this in the first place at SimHQ was to get it in the open the more know about it the better we can deal with it.
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Hawgdog
01-16-2004, 02:33 PM
good work, running out of excuses not to play.

who'd wanna cheat at this game anyhow....how very lame

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crazyivan1970
01-16-2004, 02:43 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hunter82:
Been playing around with it. As well as when it was brought up months ago on netwings and simhq. There is a threshold when the program becomes 'active'. In other words you can set up a hot key with a slight speed increase. This key is ineffective in game as they change is not enough to push the system faster. Once you exceed that threshold to where it can actually effect the game speed the auto kick feature will detect it.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

In other words cheater thinks that he`s successfully using it, but he actually not, meaning game speed actually goes without a change. Once game speed changes, autokick occurs. Correctly if i am wrong

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Kozhedub: In combat potential, the Yak-3, La-7 and La-9 fighters were indisputably superior to the Bf-109s and Fw-190s. But, as they say, no matter how good the violin may be, much depends on the violinist. I always felt respect for an enemy pilot whose plane I failed to down.

Wulf_123VEF
01-16-2004, 02:56 PM
Ecellent.....sounds good guys... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

BTZ_Bonehead
01-16-2004, 03:28 PM
We ran a very popular CS server for a few years and we had all the problems that go with running a public dedicated server. The worst problem that spoils a game is cheating.

I was kind of hoping it wouldnt happen with FB, I thought it was played by more mature people.

One of the best ways to stop cheaters playing is by community policing. Our server has 3 regular admins on it and any problems with the server and players on it should be reported in our forums at B-F or in our IRC channel.

We use FBDaemon, as many of you know it is possible to have a banlist; a list of users IP addresses and usernames. Why dont all admins of dedicated servers get together and shar this information? That way the FBDaemon users will be able to share banlists and then it wont be long before the cheats and abusers wont be able to get a descent game online. There will be cases of changed IP addresses but many adsl users have fixed IP's.

Thougts?

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crazyivan1970
01-16-2004, 03:33 PM
It`s a good idea Bone...but extreamly delicate matter, untill we have a tools to know for sure what caused autokick... alot of feelings will be hurt. just my 02c on this touchy subjet http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Wulf_123VEF
01-16-2004, 03:56 PM
I only have 56k because of where I live, that means ocasionnaly I get kicked for "cheating", I think you really want to be 100% sure of so-called cheaters and ban-lists. The bottom line is that so many people communicate on forums that sooner or later people get to know who the cheaters are...I know that some colleagues and I are pretty sure of what squads happily cheat...we dont need to broadcast it, we just dont fly with them. Unfortunately this means that innocent members of that squad get painted with the same brush...sooner or later the members of the accused/suspected squad start asking questions and hopefully they either disband,boot the cheaters, or mend their ways. Thats the theory.....

plumps_
01-16-2004, 05:38 PM
Ivan, I created a new privat topic for you.

Not sure if and how notifications/invitations work in this forum.

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tascaso
01-16-2004, 05:51 PM
Well its a sad day indeed. I have just recently become involved in VEF 2 and my wonderful squad 123VEF...great bunch of lads. I am hesistant to return to VEF.

I have a question for Ivan...if I am hosting a mission in VEF and I have my config.ini setup as you recommend is there a possibility the hack will still work? What percentage of speed advantage can we expect? I have had a lot of fun with VEF2 but if cheating is going to be the rule then I do not want to invest anymore time. I will just fly and host coops with the squadron lads.

These folks that cheat have to much time on their hands and are capable of ruining this hobby! Shame on them. I hope this can be resolved and thanks for all your work...great server by the way!

Thank you!

123_Tony_123VEF

crazyivan1970
01-16-2004, 06:25 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by plumps_:
Ivan, I created a new privat topic for you.

Not sure if and how notifications/invitations work in this forum.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I got it , thanks

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Demon_BK
01-16-2004, 06:32 PM
~S all, i was wondering if this change in your config.ini file can be used for anyone hosting a game on HL. And if it should only be used by the host and not the pilot joining the game.

crazyivan1970
01-16-2004, 06:33 PM
Just host

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Kozhedub: In combat potential, the Yak-3, La-7 and La-9 fighters were indisputably superior to the Bf-109s and Fw-190s. But, as they say, no matter how good the violin may be, much depends on the violinist. I always felt respect for an enemy pilot whose plane I failed to down.

Eagles-Lair
01-16-2004, 08:30 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hunter82:
Been playing around with it. As well as when it was brought up months ago on netwings and simhq. There is a threshold when the program becomes 'active'. In other words you can set up a hot key with a slight speed increase. This key is ineffective in game as they change is not enough to push the system faster. Once you exceed that threshold to where it can actually effect the game speed the auto kick feature will detect it.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Wulf_123VEF:
Neither was I, until I saw it with my own eyes.. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

Again you need to get in touch with someone that knows the technical stuff and has used it succesfully. There are many at Netwings that know and have proven this thing works with tight settings...maybe you could go there when its up and running again.
No offence btw.... my whole reason for raising this in the first place at SimHQ was to get it in the open the more know about it the better we can deal with it.
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Hunter, Im sorry to say sir that I Told you back in March of 2003 about this hack and you refused to belive it then as you refuse to admit it now. It works and the counter measures that have been installed in the game are not enough to keep this speedhack from working in game. If the hack is used carfully in game it WILL give an edge to the person thats useing it.
Gentelmen, it WORKS!!!

Cess-Ro

Hunter82
01-16-2004, 08:44 PM
I've sent the link again to Oleg so they can test it also. Program does not work after threshold described earlier on my Intel or AMD systems. This is with incriments of 1-10-100. This is also one of the originals sent to Oleg during IL2 the current version being dated April 2003 but still same general program from prior revisions.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Eagles-Lair:
Hunter, Im sorry to say sir that I Told you back in March of 2003 about this hack and you refused to belive it then as you refuse to admit it now. It works and the counter measures that have been installed in the game are not enough to keep this speedhack from working in game. If the hack is used carfully in game it WILL give an edge to the person thats useing it.
Gentelmen, it WORKS!!!

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Eagles-Lair
01-16-2004, 09:42 PM
I understand you sending the link to Oleg. Its that this hack was tryed and proven to work but in my opinion it was brushed under the carpet so as to relieve the fears of Cheats. As I understand now their are a few Cheats that work in FB and that OM and crew are working to inpliment measures to elemenate them. I do understand why you wont admit that this one works tho.

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crazyivan1970
01-16-2004, 09:44 PM
"Gentelmen, it WORKS!!!"

Another statement based on what?... still waiting someone to approach me and show me how it`s done. Untill then... it does not work http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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Eagles-Lair
01-16-2004, 10:18 PM
Ivan it works...but then again ignorance is bliss http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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01-16-2004, 11:04 PM
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Kozhedub: In combat potential, the Yak-3, La-7 and La-9 fighters were indisputably superior to the Bf-109s and Fw-190s. But, as they say, no matter how good the violin may be, much depends on the violinist. I always felt respect for an enemy pilot whose plane I failed to down.

Eagles-Lair
01-17-2004, 01:59 AM
No offence intended sir. But dont ya think that with so many people saying that it will work, that their might be some credulence to the story? This hack has been tested by a lot of prominet people that flys the VEF and VOW online wars. And they have all come to the same conculsion as I when I tested it almost a year ago. Thing thats most important now is to get the PATCH out that will plug the hole that lets this hack work in IL2. The more people that are aware that something like this exsits, the better off the comunitty is as a hole.
Now granted their is going to be a lot of finger pointing at first but by and large the flight sim folk are a good bunch of peeps and they will not tolerate cheats amongst them for long. Im totaly sure that OM and crew are going to fix this hole in their game real fast and that will eleaveate the fears that are amongst us now. Their is a way to tell in the logs if somebody is useing the hack. Ill post more on that tommorow, but my eyes are burning and I got to get some sleep now...~S~

Cess-Ro

BTZ_Bonehead
01-17-2004, 03:28 AM
Regarding sharing a ban list, your probably right regarding cheaters. Foul mouthed racists and abusive people then thats different http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Back to cheating, its sometimes better to play the effects of a cheat down in public that way less people try it. Publicise it oo much and you will end up with loads of kiddies having a go.

You plug this cheat and someone will come up with another, Im thinking of passwording our server and only making it available to registered members of our forums. That way maybe we will just get the 'right' kind of people playing.

I once wrote a joke thread in our forums some where about cheaters, I decided that they do it because of their sexual Inadequacy, they have small 'wedding tackle' or they suffer from impotence so they spoil everyone elses fun by cheating. THe samller the 'tackle' the bigger the cheater. Just at hought http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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MOH_Ker
01-17-2004, 04:40 AM
Ivan/Hunter

Maybe your system overclocking is too tight and you get timeout for that reason, not the settings ?

Ask/catch DHex in HL to get a demo of this stuff. He seems to be the one who put that on the table and he should be able to show you how it works.

my two cts

KER

MOH_Ker
01-17-2004, 05:02 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Wulf_123VEF:
The way it works is this... imagine you have 2 buttons on your joystick, one mapped to "speed up" the other to "slow down".
Ingame online you can speed up to catch an enemy (or run away). Or you can slow down in case you are already going too fast to get a good killshot,(sort of like putting on the handbrake when you get in close). Or for example you are in a turn fight and cant quite get round on your opponents 6, by speeding up you can get there easily.
The thing to remember is that it is RELATIVE speed increases/decreases, YOU speed up/slow down but all other aircraft stay at their correct speed.
The use of this has been prevalent especially amongst R*****n squads who seem to think winning at ANY cost is ok, and that fair play and honour is a sign of weakness. (There! I've said the R word!)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

This one is not fair.
Back in CFS2, cheaters where from everywhere. Bad behavior has never been a mater of country or skin-hair color. Cheaters are liers and any team could be abused by them. Talking like that will discredit whatever you are saying about this problem.

Regards

KER

Demon_BK
01-17-2004, 06:37 AM
~S all. I have set my config.ini file to the proper parameters. I just run a regular server, not a dedicated. Is there a sure fire way to look into your log and find out the reason for a pilot being booted? Cause i know for sure that others in the room are goin to be thinkin that a cheat was running when that message comes across the screen, when in fact it may have been bad connection, etc.

I just want to know if there is a way to distinguish between the types of reasons for ejection from a game.

414th_BK_Demon

MOH_Ker
01-17-2004, 07:28 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Demon_BK:
~S all. I have set my config.ini file to the proper parameters. I just run a regular server, not a dedicated. Is there a sure fire way to look into your log and find out the reason for a pilot being booted? Cause i know for sure that others in the room are goin to be thinkin that a cheat was running when that message comes across the screen, when in fact it may have been bad connection, etc.

I just want to know if there is a way to distinguish between the types of reasons for ejection from a game.

414th_BK_Demon<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


Yes.
In host's console, timeouts are not recorded the same if it was due to "speedhack" use. In Chat log you will find :

(Example provided by ROSS_Youss in VOW forum)

Normal disconnect:
[21:19:36] socketConnection with 213.247.217.44:21000 on channel 5 lost. Reason: Timeout.

Cheater kicked:
[21:19:36] socketConnection with 213.247.217.44:21000 on channel 5 lost. Reason: Timeout .

There is a space just before the last dot when cheating is reccorded : Timeout-space-dot.

Note : it left 1% doubt that the player cheated or get an hardware issue.

S~
KER

Hunter82
01-17-2004, 09:08 AM
not to be nit picky but I find it pretty funny that the track posted displaying a use of a speed hack the user has view limiting disabled in track ir http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

IS there a time stamp you can provide on when the hack was enabled/disabled in the track and the hosts conf.ini settings for the track? Without that it's kind of muddy water to try and base a decision.

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crazyivan1970
01-17-2004, 09:26 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MOH_Ker:
Ivan/Hunter

Maybe your system overclocking is too tight and you get timeout for that reason, not the settings ?

Ask/catch DHex in HL to get a demo of this stuff. He seems to be the one who put that on the table and he should be able to show you how it works.

my two cts

KER<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Exellent! Is this one of MOH guys? If you see him, can you please ask him to contact me.
Much appriciated

V!
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Kozhedub: In combat potential, the Yak-3, La-7 and La-9 fighters were indisputably superior to the Bf-109s and Fw-190s. But, as they say, no matter how good the violin may be, much depends on the violinist. I always felt respect for an enemy pilot whose plane I failed to down.

Hunter82
01-17-2004, 09:41 AM
I thought that also and had run it on default settings with both systems.

Hey anything can work, I won't discount that. I'm basing everything off the program that was listed and I downloaded and tested. When Ro and I were talking about it earlier this year I had the same results. Basically what I see on my systems is if I set it @ anywhere from 1 through 100 by assinging multiple hot keys when it gets to a point stutter is exhibited. When that happens auto-kick feature kicks in. I joined and tried on multiple servers last night under a BS name and I won't name servers either so people won't know which it does and does not work on....what I found where.

Servers with alot of dial up or high ping users generally had more relaxed settings and the program could be used at light settings for a time UNTIL it was used for a length of time or a higher speed. Higher speed being defined as a setting lower than it's default.

On lower ping servers with tighter settings once the program exceeded the threshold where it became active to increase speed the auto kick feature booted.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by MOH_Ker:
Ivan/Hunter

Maybe your system overclocking is too tight and you get timeout for that reason, not the settings ?

Ask/catch DHex in HL to get a demo of this stuff. He seems to be the one who put that on the table and he should be able to show you how it works.

my two cts

KER<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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crazyivan1970
01-17-2004, 09:47 AM
Hope you stopped at the HOST B man http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif
Did ya...did ya?

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Kozhedub: In combat potential, the Yak-3, La-7 and La-9 fighters were indisputably superior to the Bf-109s and Fw-190s. But, as they say, no matter how good the violin may be, much depends on the violinist. I always felt respect for an enemy pilot whose plane I failed to down.

Eagles-Lair
01-17-2004, 11:13 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hunter82:
I thought that also and had run it on default settings with both systems.

Hey anything can work, I won't discount that. I'm basing everything off the program that was listed and I downloaded and tested. When Ro and I were talking about it earlier this year I had the same results. Basically what I see on my systems is if I set it @ anywhere from 1 through 100 by assinging multiple hot keys when it gets to a point stutter is exhibited. When that happens auto-kick feature kicks in. I joined and tried on multiple servers last night under a BS name and I won't name servers either so people won't know which it does and does not work on....what I found where.

Servers with alot of dial up or high ping users generally had more relaxed settings and the program could be used at light settings for a time UNTIL it was used for a length of time or a higher speed. Higher speed being defined as a setting lower than it's default.

On lower ping servers with tighter settings once the program exceeded the threshold where it became active to increase speed the auto kick feature booted.


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The trick for the user is to use the hack for just small amounts of time and at just the right time and they will never be kicked. Numoures People have put this thing thru the hoops this las5t week, and thats is what has been the general consenus of all that have tested it. All these test were done under the strictest lag settings their is. The one consoleing factor is that, as was posted earlier today you can tell who is useing the hack, but only after they timeout.
Netwings.org is back up and in the VEF forum their is a lot of information and about the testing that went on.
Thanks Hunter for reconizing that this very bad problem exists.

Cess-Ro

Crazy-F-pilot
01-17-2004, 05:57 PM
well i havent played the game but cheaters in all games are the worst players thats why if there were a program that help them on games they wouldnt cheat! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

AFJ_Skyghost
01-18-2004, 01:12 AM
yesterday I was ( trying ) flying on UK_Dedicated server with a friend, Gunner_UK.
I had a ping og 58ms and Gunner a ping of 26ms.
We were using Teamspeak and each time I said a something with more than 5 seconds I got booted.
My connection is an ADSL 1Mg/256 kbps.
The server was kicking people each 30 seconds lol, it was a kicking fever.
Can this be caused by an excessive tightness on the settings?
Thanks for the reply

Hunter82
01-18-2004, 06:10 AM
Yes or packet loss on the servers or clients end. Ping does not matter really it's packet loss that will get you kicked in seconds http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by AFJ_Skyghost:
yesterday I was ( trying ) flying on UK_Dedicated server with a friend, Gunner_UK.
I had a ping og 58ms and Gunner a ping of 26ms.
We were using Teamspeak and each time I said a something with more than 5 seconds I got booted.
My connection is an ADSL 1Mg/256 kbps.
The server was kicking people each 30 seconds lol, it was a kicking fever.
Can this be caused by an excessive tightness on the settings?
Thanks for the reply<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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BTZ_Bonehead
01-19-2004, 01:53 AM
Regardng UK-Dedicated, sor some reason the vulchkick settings in fbdaemon were set ridiculously high yestarday morning, http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I turned it back off. Everyone was getting kicked.

If your going to use team speak then I guess you will lag your connection and yes you will get kicked, but what else are we supposed to do?

It happens with all online games the few spoil ti for the many, which is why we are considering passwording our server and only making it available to members of our forums. At least that way we should be able to trust each other http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

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AFJ_Skyghost
01-19-2004, 09:12 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BTZ_Bonehead:
Regardng UK-Dedicated, sor some reason the vulchkick settings in fbdaemon were set ridiculously high yestarday morning, http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif I turned it back off. Everyone was getting kicked.

If your going to use team speak then I guess you will lag your connection and yes you will get kicked, but what else are we supposed to do?

It happens with all online games the few spoil ti for the many, which is why we are considering passwording our server and only making it available to members of our forums. At least that way we should be able to trust each other http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif

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Thanks for the reply
I reajusted my teamspeak bandwith use to 32k upload and 64 k download instead of the default unlimited and I'll try it again on UK_Dedicated.
Surely it was not just a problem of my connection cause we were seing people get booted every 30 seconds.
Anyhow, thank you for the reply and I ll test it again

=S=

BTZ_Bonehead
01-19-2004, 10:56 AM
We had a user or users on our server called \u0412\u0430\u043D\u044F
Whats that all about? You can find them in our stats page. Surely this must just be the server reading someones username wrongly?

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Ultimate_Gamer2
01-20-2004, 11:24 AM
No outwar links allowed.

[This message was edited by BlitzPig_Rock on Tue January 20 2004 at 11:03 AM.]

willfreund1
01-20-2004, 12:52 PM
solution

Create a third paprt program

in a way check for inter and extra polation. (i think il2's version is near lag, far lag, thogh it appears more for ping)
Set the checks so that CLient freezes are allowed, as in a no data timeout. the inter and extra should be very short timeout.This would cause planes jumping from one area to another above a certain limit you would be kicked/or warned.ALso like hunter i belive said do that thing with the ini so Jumpy packets, caused by packet timeings getting outwhack by a speedhack , another option. Still that problem of modem users getting disconnectedf with that one, but you guys seem to be testing in that area.



this is used in quake3 clones and counterstrike. Only problem FB seem to not check timeouts for a lost data couple seconds , just ping not computer.
Even with this , in order to be a loose constructionist, speedhacking will still be possible, if people put short milisecond bursts, it would bypass a timeout.
this would allow for 2-3 second burst, and my solution since it wouldnt represent lag it would allow them to do it for a while if you purposely lagged themself
Bones qoute.
We use FBDaemon, as many of you know it is possible to have a banlist; a list of users IP addresses and usernames. Why dont all admins of dedicated servers get together and shar this information? That way the FBDaemon users will be able to share banlists and then it wont be long before the cheats and abusers wont be able to get a descent game online. There will be cases of changed IP addresses but many adsl users have fixed IP's.
WE defintly need this, but we would need a admin , and a address to unban yourself.Most honest citizens make sure theres a description for the unv

Lets squash this bug.REmember to tell oleg patch team.REmember when oleg got pissed for someone not replaying to his russian patch email.
Oleg is just a programmer, theres many more on his team , this address is for them :P

Manos1
01-20-2004, 02:44 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by BTZ_Bonehead:
We had a user or users on our server called \u0412\u0430\u043D\u044F
Whats that all about? You can find them in our stats page. Surely this must just be the server reading someones username wrongly?
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Cyrilic or any non-west European alphabet.
This is how IL2FB treats the extended character set.
This is what happens if somebody writes his name using non latin characters.

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BTZ_Bonehead
01-21-2004, 01:29 AM
Ah OK thanks for that, we had a guy on from Russia the other night and his name looked pretty wierd in the game I guess it could have been him an dhis mates.

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Schmouddle_WT
01-21-2004, 11:22 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by willfreund1:
solution

Create a third paprt program

in a way check for inter and extra polation. (i think il2's version is near lag, far lag, thogh it appears more for ping)
Set the checks so that CLient freezes are allowed, as in a no data timeout. the inter and extra should be very short timeout.This would cause planes jumping from one area to another above a certain limit you would be kicked/or warned.ALso like hunter i belive said do that thing with the ini so Jumpy packets, caused by packet timeings getting outwhack by a speedhack , another option. Still that problem of modem users getting disconnectedf with that one, but you guys seem to be testing in that area.



this is used in quake3 clones and counterstrike. Only problem FB seem to not check timeouts for a lost data couple seconds , just ping not computer.
Even with this , in order to be a loose constructionist, speedhacking will still be possible, if people put short milisecond bursts, it would bypass a timeout.
this would allow for 2-3 second burst, and my solution since it wouldnt represent lag it would allow them to do it for a while if you purposely lagged themself
Bones qoute.
We use FBDaemon, as many of you know it is possible to have a banlist; a list of users IP addresses and usernames. Why dont all admins of dedicated servers get together and shar this information? That way the FBDaemon users will be able to share banlists and then it wont be long before the cheats and abusers wont be able to get a descent game online. There will be cases of changed IP addresses but many adsl users have fixed IP's.
WE defintly need this, but we would need a admin , and a address to unban yourself.Most honest citizens make sure theres a description for the unv

Lets squash this bug.REmember to tell oleg patch team.REmember when oleg got pissed for someone not replaying to his russian patch email.
Oleg is just a programmer, theres many more on his team , this address is for them :P<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Unfortunately I do not see the banlist to be a proper answer to stop spreading the cheating. If you ban a single IP, you never know how many plp are actualy behind (proxy stuff). My ISP has a single public IP and hundreds of users behind the proxy. If you ban the IP, we are all soaked and can throw FB into litter bin. Kinda using a shotgun to avoid bee sting.

S! to all contributing on revealing cheating issue.

propDrop999
01-22-2004, 06:51 PM
Excellent! The battle against yellow-bellied juvenille cheat brats is in full swing. I cannot applaud this endeavor more. Being an
absolute lover of this sim, playing online is always the highlight of my daily flying and as such, the less cheat and more talent that I
experience on line the better.

After I read this thread last night my mind would not stop pondering this issue so I decided to write this in hopes that it might help.
I'm sure there are many much more qualified to comment on this then myself, but I did come up with some ideas and have decided to present
the following two suggestions:

1. Though I don't fully understand the anti-cheat mechanism, I can only guess that lag time is one of the key clues in determining if a
player is using a speed hack or some such device to cheat. If so, and if also an average player's lag time is directly proportional to that player's ping, should not far and near and max lag counts be scaled by the players ping, and not just constant for all players. For example if:

Player A ping = 30 ms
Player B ping = 300 ms

a scaling function could be used to assign a unique near(or far) max lag to each player:

Player A nearMaxLagTime = 0.5 s farMaxLagTime = 2.0 s
Player B nearMaxLagTime = 2.5 s farMaxLagTime = 10.0 s

In this way these variable are fine tuned on a per player basis, hopefully creating a system that does not discriminate against people
with slow connections. Moreover, this puts a much tighter reign on those players with fast connections, who would be the most likely to
gain from a speed hack.

My values above are just guesses. I would think that an actual implementation of this would need a fair amount of statistical analysis of player ping an lag times to be scaled properly. Also,
this depends on my assumption that ping and average lag time are directly proportional.


2. In order to be as fair as possible and not boot honest players that coincidentally are having lag problems that match a cheater's lag
profile, would it make sense to simply lock the guns of an offending players aircraft until they are 5 km away from their opponents? This
could be accompanied with a public server message saying something like

&gt; Server: PlayerX's guns locked due to suspicious lag pattern

The player then must fly off until his guns unlock, and then is free to go back in and try again. If the pattern continues the player is
eventually booted. This gives honest players a chance to redeem themselves or plead their case and, most importantly, cheaters wouldn't be able to shoot anyone down.



There it is folks, hope I have not wasted your time, but if this does help out - groovy!


Here's to an on-line future, minus those yellow-bellied juvenille cheat brat scum!!!!!!!!!


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Yum_Yum
01-24-2004, 11:52 AM
hello http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

It is sad to read so much about cheating, cheats, or exploiters. I am not a technical person so I don't understand all the writings of Pings and Lags and times etc etc.

I would like to know what to look for when I am online, So can anyone tell me what a cheater looks like in a game or the criteria they should meet ?.

Thanks.

crazyivan1970
01-24-2004, 11:56 AM
To finalize all this... here are two examples of two different servers:

Mudmovers (Hunter82)

[NET]
speed=10000
serverChannels=25
localPort=21000
SkinDownload=0
difficulty=12580863
serverName=Mudmovers
serverDescription=Mudmovers
checkServerTimeSpeed=1
checkClientTimeSpeed=1
checkTimeSpeedDifferense=0.09
checkTimeSpeedInterval=5
socksHost=

[chat]
autoLogDetail=1

[MaxLag]
farMaxLagTime=5.0
nearMaxLagTime=2.0
cheaterWarningDelay=3.0
cheaterWarningNum=2


And another one

VFC*HOST mine

[NET]
speed=10000
serverChannels=22
localPort=21000
SkinDownload=0
difficulty=10483711
serverName=Crazyivan
serverDescription=Crazyivan
checkServerTimeSpeed=1
checkClientTimeSpeed=1
checkTimeSpeedDifferense=0.1
checkTimeSpeedInterval=10
socksHost=

[chat]
autoLogDetail=3

[MaxLag]
farMaxLagTime=4.0
nearMaxLagTime=1.0
cheaterWarningDelay=3.0
cheaterWarningNum=2

Which are almost identical give or take fiew. Given settings are still under testing.

maxping command can be added via console or simply add it at the end on server.cmd file, making it last line:

mission LOAD net/dogfight/ 1/DF.mis BEGIN
f gc.cmd

maxping 500 ms - for example.

Hope this will give you some idea.

V!
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Kozhedub: In combat potential, the Yak-3, La-7 and La-9 fighters were indisputably superior to the Bf-109s and Fw-190s. But, as they say, no matter how good the violin may be, much depends on the violinist. I always felt respect for an enemy pilot whose plane I failed to down.

LuckyBoy1
01-24-2004, 04:49 PM
I remember when I first posted on this problem and even sent an e-mail to UBISoft on it. The responses I got were not kind in the least from the forum. My claim of 700 KPH biplanes was flatly denied. At the time, I felt kinda ripped off because I knew what I was seeing and didn't understand the cheating issues and didn't want to learn how to cheat just to try to find a way to stop it. I whined like a baby to a long time online gameplayer and he gently informed me that most will deny it due to ignorance and the rest will deny it to slow the spred of the cheat until a fix could be made.

The UBISoft people actually had a rather high level person respond to me. He explained that to a certain point, they're restricted in what they could do by MicroSoft rules having to do with allowing other programs to run while running the game.

Now that the "cat is out of the bag" so to speak, the level of cheating has skyrocketed. I feel that even some otherwise honest players feel pressure to at least try to cheat just to level the playing field. As a result, I'm saying hats off to those who kept a lid on it as long as it lasted and no hard feelings. The time for crying and pointing fingers is over! We have a problem here. Let's get to work on solving it.

I've found through using IL-2 Manager that people on dial-up could play with some pretty tight restrictions without getting kicked even if their ping rates are up to 400. The thing that got them kicked was what I call "ping variance" and I may be using the term incorrectly. I now have discovered the conf.ini files and no longer need IL-2 robbing my limited system resources, even if it's just a tad. As long as the player had a steady ping rate, he didn't get kicked from a game I was hosting. In my opinion, if you attend to roto-rooting out the spyware with a combination of Spybot and Ad-Aware and close out of AOL instant messenger, MSN im, Yahoo im, etc. and shut off automatic updates before entering HyperLobby, you'd play with no problems even if you are on dial-up. If you are on dial-up, try to get a friend who has a better connection host the communications program. Also, it's not a good idea to host a game and coms at the same time regardless of your connection speed.

I truly believe that if people did these things, we could tighten up the settings even further to prevent even the slightest cheating. I'm going to talk to my squad (the 361st) about posting information on how to limit ping variance while playing the game. That way, those who are honest, but ignorant of their background program and spyware issues will fix their problems and the cheaters... well, I don't care if they go away mad, just so long as they go away.

I'd like someone to explain to me what all the values mean that we are changing in the conf.ini file. The explaination already given is inadequate to help me. If I make this number bigger or smaller or a negative number, does that tighten or loosten the settings? I want to experiment with tighter settings while playing with my squaddy's who are already aware of what it takes to limit ping variance. Then I could report back as to how tight you can set the conf.ini files without kicking honest players.

Never accuse someone of cheating if they get kicked. At the same time, don't be brow beat into lowering the settings. I think that if we do some constructive work here, the ignorant will learn and have a better overall gaming experience for their effort and the cheaters will go back to MicroSoft Combat Flight Simulator 3.0!

Anyone up to laying these few answers out for me so I can get going on this?

Luckyboy = Senior hydraulic landing gear designer for the P-11 & Contributing Editor to Complete Users magazine.

propDrop999
01-25-2004, 06:42 PM
I love this sim.

Did I say that I LOVE THIS SIM.

Oh, by the way: I am deeply obsessed with IL-2 Sturmovik: Forgotten
Battles!!!!!!!!!!!!

Unfortunately (or maybe rather fortunately!), I have the exact
opposite emotion towards those that cheat online: there you are,
strutting your stuff in a super turner (La,Zero or some such) when a
less nimble warbird gets behind you like glue and you can't shake him.
You can't even see him when you crane your neck all the way back
turning full flaps and rudder. Come on! Either I'm missing some
killer flying trick (after 2 years of flying IL-2/FB I think I know
most of them) or that other guy is cheating like a rat. Where do
these people come from and what has possesed them to act like juvenile
delinquents? How dare they even breath the name IL-2 let alone fly
it! "BE GONE!", I say and now I'm sure I'm not alone in saying it.

But we all know what the problem is. The fact that this thread is
placed along with all the other 'must read' threads indicates that
both Maddox Games and Ubisoft are being open on the issue, with the
aim solving the problem. I don't think more posts on this thread will
increase cheating any more than this thread may or may not have done
already.

My previous post had some suggestions, really just shots in the dark
trying to help if possible. I'm a bit of a techy type, and have done
a fair amount of work with real-time distributed programming. But
just tell me to shut-up if I'm doing more harm than good, I can take a
hint.

LuckyBoy1's post certainly sheds light on the issue. To second his
motion, it would be great to see server admins urging players to turn
off everything except the absolute essential when playing on line. A
statement in the mission summary to this effect, informing all players
that strong anti-cheat restrictions are in place and that they need to
shut everything down except for the essential tasks, would be highly
beneficial. As LuckyBoy1 has already said, this might be the key to
shutting out cheaters: the tigther the restrictions, the less chance
those rats have of finding holes large enough to crawl in.

The servers that do this will be the ones I, and I'm sure any other
self-respecting non-cheat pilots, will want to fly on.

Long live IL-2/FB/BoB! I applaud Maddox Games! I applaud all server hosts!
Without you, how would we fly online?

And, BTW, I absolutely love this sim!!!!!!!!!!!

shadow_afs
01-26-2004, 06:12 AM
ok guyz, i realise that u do want a verry good shield against fb hackers but u will never succeed if u do not SCRIPT A ENIGMA program to acualy ban an ip without blocking a proxi that some other people use so check for this program enigma and u'll see that i;m not wrong so...... untill than cya and have a nice flight, i know i will untill u fix this program..........
S! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif

crazyivan1970
01-26-2004, 08:57 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by shadow_afs:
ok guyz, i realise that u do want a verry good shield against fb hackers but u will never succeed if u do not SCRIPT A ENIGMA program to acualy ban an ip without blocking a proxi that some other people use so check for this program enigma and u'll see that i;m not wrong so...... untill than cya and have a nice flight, i know i will untill u fix this program..........
S! http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

As long as person being kicked from the server it doesn`t matter either it`s banned or not. There are plenty of ways to ban people, even from Hyperlobby .. permanently

http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/mockface.gif

V!
Regards,

VFC*Crazyivan aka VFC*HOST

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Kozhedub: In combat potential, the Yak-3, La-7 and La-9 fighters were indisputably superior to the Bf-109s and Fw-190s. But, as they say, no matter how good the violin may be, much depends on the violinist. I always felt respect for an enemy pilot whose plane I failed to down.

shadow_afs
01-26-2004, 02:19 PM
hey crazyivan, i have something to ask u something that is not related to il2 nor about cheating, can u give me an e-mail adress or tell me how can i see u or in ubi or somewhere ales... pls. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

shadow_afs
01-26-2004, 02:20 PM
my e-mail is shadow_afs@yahoo.com

crazyivan1970
01-26-2004, 03:21 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by shadow_afs:
hey crazyivan, i have something to ask u something that is not related to il2 nor about cheating, can u give me an e-mail adress or tell me how can i see u or in ubi or somewhere ales... pls. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Click on my name, it will take you to public profile. E-mail is in there http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/16x16_smiley-happy.gif

Also you can find me on Hyperlobby or MSN Messanger.

V!
Regards,

VFC*Crazyivan aka VFC*HOST

http://www.rmutt.netfirms.com/ivan-reaper.gif

Kozhedub: In combat potential, the Yak-3, La-7 and La-9 fighters were indisputably superior to the Bf-109s and Fw-190s. But, as they say, no matter how good the violin may be, much depends on the violinist. I always felt respect for an enemy pilot whose plane I failed to down.

VOL_Mountain
01-28-2004, 11:12 AM
Would someone please clarify the max ping command syntax ?

Mtn.

crazyivan1970
01-28-2004, 11:15 AM
maxping 500 ms

V!
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VFC*Crazyivan aka VFC*HOST

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Kozhedub: In combat potential, the Yak-3, La-7 and La-9 fighters were indisputably superior to the Bf-109s and Fw-190s. But, as they say, no matter how good the violin may be, much depends on the violinist. I always felt respect for an enemy pilot whose plane I failed to down.

VOL_Mountain
01-28-2004, 01:33 PM
Thanks !

Kriebelerelf
01-31-2004, 06:35 PM
NONE OF THIS HAS STOPPED PEOPLE FROM CHEATING!!!

Mmmm... Cookies!!!

crazyivan1970
02-01-2004, 06:35 AM
Got anything to back it up loud fellow? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/images/smiley/blink.gif

V!
Regards,

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VFC*Crazyivan aka VFC*HOST

http://www.rmutt.netfirms.com/ivan-reaper.gif

Kozhedub: In combat potential, the Yak-3, La-7 and La-9 fighters were indisputably superior to the Bf-109s and Fw-190s. But, as they say, no matter how good the violin may be, much depends on the violinist. I always felt respect for an enemy pilot whose plane I failed to down.

Way2Much.Reefer
02-01-2004, 02:40 PM
This damn cheating thing better get fixed pronto. I've invested so many hours into online FB it's almost embarrassing. I discovered a couple of days ago that it's more fun shooting down a moron AI pilot than it is getting shot down by a human CHEATER!! Listen up UBI...I hearby declare an online boycott. I can only speak for myself of course, but that's it, I'm not playing your effing awesome game online again until the cheating has stopped. Seriously, please do something.

propDrop999
02-01-2004, 04:57 PM
I'd like to testify to the effectiveness of the anti-cheat parameters.

I've been flying online almost everyday for the last 2 weeks. I have
noticed that most servers display the default anti-cheat settings:

checkTimeSpeed 17 sec 20%

when you connect. This seems to be quite effective. To this point I
have not experienced extreme cheaters on these servers. By that I
mean, UFO's that constantly knock you out of the sky.

I have, however, seen indications of possible tiny speed hacks. For
instance, being on someone's six and they jerk about or lag and appear
elsewhere. This may, in some cases, be legitimate network
difficulties, but it just seems a bit TOO coincidental at times. You
can't help but wonder why that guy lagged just after tracers screamed
past him? Hmmm ......

Even as such, these fellows can be brought down, and it does feel good
to do just that. You are, against the odds, defeating someone who is
very possibly cheating and making them eat dirt.

Personally I'd like to see those anti-cheat parameters get as tight
possible. How about:

checkTimeSpeed 5 sec 5%

Might get rid of them altogether! If this means that players have to
shut down everything else on their computers so that they don't get
kicked then so be it! They'll have a better game experience anyway.


To cheaters I have only this to say:

LEARN TO FLY! In the real war you wouldn't be able cheat. You'd just get DEAD.

CIVILDUDE1
02-06-2004, 09:36 PM
I think some @#@@!%$ sent me something. I don't cheat, but I think someone sent me something nasty! I can't log onto the Ubi Gameservice... keeps saying "UNABLE TO LOGON TO UBI"...with the little yellow exclamation point of death. What to do? Ubi doesn't help much with their suggestions, as they haven't worked so far. I have a newer system, 640mb ram, 1.2 amd duron, 32mb gef2 vid card, win98 and I can't figure it out. Does anyone have the antidote to whatever I was given to keep me off ubi???? please reply to : butchhusky@yahoo.com thank you very much guys.

BeerZZZ
04-14-2004, 02:07 AM
Why can't i boot a guy from a game on UBI if i am the host
Often times rude ir blatant cheaters show up and I can't BOOT them... I wrote UBI and they told me to use the &gt; then user, then get their actual user number etc etc...But after all the steps the Cheater is still there? The console accepts the command say &gt;user 1 KICK and there is no error line BUT nothing happens....

What am I doing wrong?
These people are ruining the game for myself and the people on my server