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Hristo_
01-04-2004, 12:06 PM
Connected to a server, it was 1942, full realism. Reds were flying La-5, while blue stayed with Fw 190A-4s.

While being evenly matched at the beginning, tt ended up me alone vs 2 La-5 and 1 LaGG-3. I got one La-5. Other two ended up on my tail and it was a tough situation. Being chased by two better turners, one of which even faster than me, both in superior position.

So I dove as fast as I can and hoped for a miracle. And it happened. LaGG-3 lost its wings in the dive. Now it was only La-5, which I decided to drag over nearby friendly ack.

He didn't like the idea, so he typed â«Please fight, I will kick youâ» in text buffer. Yea, right, fight a better turner on my six. Can be done, but I just didn't wanna risk it. Istead, I proceeded to the ack, which got his engine. Of course, I was kicked of the server immediately.


Now I know about leaving the server I don't like, but this kinda annoyed me. TnB types, respect different flying. Not everyone flying 190 wants to fight your fight, not everyone is careless about their virtual life.

Now, I might start my own server and kick people out for turning too much http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif)

Hristo_
01-04-2004, 12:06 PM
Connected to a server, it was 1942, full realism. Reds were flying La-5, while blue stayed with Fw 190A-4s.

While being evenly matched at the beginning, tt ended up me alone vs 2 La-5 and 1 LaGG-3. I got one La-5. Other two ended up on my tail and it was a tough situation. Being chased by two better turners, one of which even faster than me, both in superior position.

So I dove as fast as I can and hoped for a miracle. And it happened. LaGG-3 lost its wings in the dive. Now it was only La-5, which I decided to drag over nearby friendly ack.

He didn't like the idea, so he typed â«Please fight, I will kick youâ» in text buffer. Yea, right, fight a better turner on my six. Can be done, but I just didn't wanna risk it. Istead, I proceeded to the ack, which got his engine. Of course, I was kicked of the server immediately.


Now I know about leaving the server I don't like, but this kinda annoyed me. TnB types, respect different flying. Not everyone flying 190 wants to fight your fight, not everyone is careless about their virtual life.

Now, I might start my own server and kick people out for turning too much http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif)

VMF513_Wolf
01-04-2004, 12:09 PM
yea I meat some loosers like he 2...I just leav if I see that host is an *******..

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LeadSpitter_
01-04-2004, 12:12 PM
you forgot, then I woke up out of a dream Hristo_ jk my personal favorite is when you get 2 kills then have 2 fighting to kill you and they collide and start cussing eachother out

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x__CRASH__x
01-04-2004, 12:17 PM
He's probably suffered the same dilemma many of us face. The dreded "FW Run90" I hate people who run. They only tired, and I get the kill, but bored to tears.

I love it when I get on a good 190 pilots six and he shakes me. I'm not saying you aren't good Hristo, I've never flown with or against you that I can remember, but when they pull some crazy manuever that throws me, it deserves my respect. And it can be done. It has quite a number of time. But more often than not if I get on their six they do exactly what you did. Dive and run as fast as they can. That just gets boring. Chasing someone who does that gets boring.

But I would never kick you from a server for doing it.

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VMF513_Wolf
01-04-2004, 12:21 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by x__CRASH__x:
He's probably suffered the same dilemma many of us face. The dreded "FW Run90" I hate people who run. They only tired, and I get the kill, but bored to tears.

I love it when I get on a good 190 pilots six and he shakes me. I'm not saying you aren't good Hristo, I've never flown with or against you that I can remember, but when they pull some crazy manuever that throws me, it deserves my respect. And it can be done. It has quite a number of time. But more often than not if I get on their six they do exactly what you did. Dive and run as fast as they can. That just gets boring. Chasing someone who does that gets boring.

But I would never kick you from a server for doing it.

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agreed

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Hristo_
01-04-2004, 12:23 PM
Yep, if I feel cocky, I might do that. But the server guy was no newbie, and I figured it to be a suicide. Low level chase, me in Fw 190A-4, him in La-5 on my six, just outside firing range. No scissors today, Sir http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

I already pushed my luck by fighting them 3, getting one and making another one auger.

Simply, I tried to fly the 190 to its strengths. If I was in a Zero, it might have been more interesting for the host. But then again, I don't play for his amusement http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

BS87
01-04-2004, 12:54 PM
Crash.. there is no rule that says you HAVE to chase the 190. I dont chase all the La's that run from me (ofcourse, they have no reason to since i cant shoot anyway)

SeaFireLIV
01-04-2004, 01:32 PM
Ridiculous! If what you say is true, then the guy had no right to kick you for running. Whether you fought a 100 LA5s alone or not.

Making your own server does allow the host to make BASIC rules like:
No vulching: Then no vulching.
No bad mouthing, play like Gentlemen, and whatever game settings he wants etc...

But it is totally bad form to say to someoen "Stay and Fight- or I will kick you!"
Hristo, you were right to run to your Airfield, as a good pilot you evaluated the situation and decided on the best course of action.

People who ban you because you withdraw rather than playing to the enemy`s strength should be banned themselves. They think cos it`s their server that are gods! These kind of people boil my blood!&gt;:

Noone will play on his server if he keeps that up!

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georgeo76
01-04-2004, 01:32 PM
That guy did you a favor by kicking you. Saved you from having to fly on a lame server w/ a lame host.

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SmokeJaguar
01-04-2004, 01:47 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by georgeo76:
That guy did you a favor by kicking you. Saved you from having to fly on a lame server w/ a lame host.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

That is what happens when you play with a 10 year old host named muppet http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif
I also agree that he did you a great favour by kicking you.

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Fennec_P
01-04-2004, 01:53 PM
I don't see anything with what the host did.

When I host I always kick the people who do annoying things. Things like running, jinking or even (god forbid) trying to shoot me down. No one seems to mind, and if they do I kick them.

LEXX_Luthor
01-04-2004, 02:02 PM
haha well who put the flak in there?

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SeaFireLIV
01-04-2004, 02:02 PM
Well, you got a big problem, Fennec. BIG PROBLEM.

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VMF513_Wolf
01-04-2004, 02:13 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Fennec_P:
I don't see anything with what the host did.

When I host I always kick the people who do annoying things. Things like running, jinking or even (god forbid) trying to shoot me down. No one seems to mind, and if they do I kick them.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

holy **** we got one of thouse noobs in here!!! damn and how u dear to show your selv in here.......must be very clever2http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

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carguy_
01-04-2004, 02:44 PM
What do you expect from DF servers?Too many lamers there.You can`t fly in the best servers so what`s the point in picking them?
You wanna fly planes to it`s strenghts,fly coops - less narcisistic n00bs there.

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WUAF_Badsight
01-04-2004, 02:52 PM
what a freaking looser of a host

i mean ******ed , you just found out about a total crapola FB player to be avoidid like the plague sir !



<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Hristo_:
He didn't like the idea, so he typed â«Please fight, I will kick youâ» in text buffer. Yea, right, fight a better turner on my six. Can be done, but I just didn't wanna risk it. Istead, I proceeded to the ack, which got his engine. Of course, I was kicked of the server immediately. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

WUAF_Badsight
01-04-2004, 02:53 PM
you guys do see FennecP's sarcasm dont you ?

JG27_Dacripler
01-04-2004, 02:55 PM
He showed his true colors.. He wanted you to play his game, he lost and you got the boot. No pudding for THAT host tonight !

adlabs6
01-04-2004, 04:05 PM
Nothing wrong with running when the tide turns against you. Some humans on DF servers have the same tactics as the AI.... annihilate or be annihilated! http://www.geocities.com/adlabs6/B/bin/1/wink.gif

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VW-IceFire
01-04-2004, 04:09 PM
Gotta love guys who kick people from their server for employing legitimate tactics. If you were somehow cheating, sure kicking is fine. If you were making some kind of nasty comments beyond the acceptable norm of the server, a kick is surely warranted. But what happened to you, if it is indeed the way it was, its entirely irresponsible of the admin to employ such a tactic. Fly elsewhere.

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SmokeJaguar
01-04-2004, 04:38 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WUAF_Badsight:
you guys do see FennecP's sarcasm dont you ?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes... Very cutting, very hot and spicey http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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mllaneza
01-04-2004, 07:56 PM
Fennec of course is kidding. But I ran into one fellow, who I shall refrain from naming (and would even if I hadn't forgotten) who kicked me under even worse circumstances than Hristo's. I bounced him, saddled up on his six, and got booted just as I opened fire.

That's low. On the plus side, I haven't seen the asshat on HL for ages so maybe he went away.

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jazman777
01-04-2004, 08:00 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>He didn't like the idea, so he typed â«Please fight, I will kick youâ» in text buffer. Yea, right, fight a better turner on my six. Can be done, but I just didn't wanna risk it. Istead, I proceeded to the ack, which got his engine. Of course, I was kicked of the server immediately.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Name a name: tell us the server, so we can avoid it.

noshens
01-04-2004, 08:07 PM
When reading your post when you said "happend miracle..." I thought you were the fw190 a4 that I dealed with. It was me and other 2 guys chasing one fw and 2 of those guys collided in front of me and the explosion got my engine smoking. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif quite embarassing realy.

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Hristo_
01-04-2004, 09:22 PM
No, Yay, it wasn't you. One got shot down, other one lost its wings in the dive, the third one (host) lost its engine to flak.

As for giving out names, I won't. Maybe he just had a bad day or something. He was lamenting though as how 190s do need healthy E advantage to fight and are BnZ only aircraft. Yet, when I flew that way, he seemed to have a problem with it http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

T_O_A_D
01-04-2004, 09:36 PM
Dang I hope you remember the host,So you don't waist your time there again!

Now days, I would just leave and never visit him again. Basicly because I don't and can't control the skys in IL2.

But back in CFS that was different! I once got in a room (I knew no one in) they was playing Last alive kind of game. I got in and there was P-51's, and Hurries flying around. So I picked the P-51 I figured BZ was in order to peck away at the furbal. I won the first match. So the next match of course I was the target LOL. I spawned with two hurries on my six so I stretch my legs and left till they broke off, I caught back up and took them out and one the match. Host booted me no warning just booted me.
So I came back into the game and got chewed out for coming back, while everyone was still in the ready room. He was upset that I was using the P-51 the proper way, instead of turning with the Hawkers in a furball. I told him as well as the others in the room the history of 51 and how you should fly it. He was pissed and he said it was his room and I was to fight in a turn fight. I said ok its your game its your rules. I flew the Hawker I won 9 out of the 10 games. My first target was him no matter to location from me. With out a proir arrangement the others would leave me alone till he was dead. LOL Then they'd go after me full bore. It was an ear to ear grinning eppisode. Till he got mad and left, then as CFS would do someone else would be given host without resarting the game. After he left we all laughed and joked about the spanking I gave him. After about 45 min he came back and was ever so polite to all of us.

So for now on I just say PFFFFFFTTT!!!!!!!!!! and move along. http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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SmokeJaguar
01-04-2004, 10:23 PM
TOAD that was great to read. I love stories like that. makes me all warm and fuzzy inside http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

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T_O_A_D
01-04-2004, 10:46 PM
Your welcome SJ enjoy telling it. Must not of been you acting that way http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Got have a few good ones to cling to since I suck at it so now http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif By the way I see your flying with my most favorite sig of yours so far again! Are ya back in the 39 saddle again?

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SmokeJaguar
01-04-2004, 11:36 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by T_O_A_D:
Your welcome SJ enjoy telling it. Must not of been you acting that way http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif Got have a few good ones to cling to since I suck at it so now http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif By the way I see your flying with my most favorite sig of yours so far again! Are ya back in the 39 saddle again?

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Yes sir this guy is back in the saddle of his beloved. I take moments when all I want to do is fly bombers. For my fighter moments I always go back to the P39. I tried the p51 but as i suspected it was not suitible for my style of play. I prefer to stay low to medium and that is suicide in a P51 (IMHO).

I would never freak at a guy for doing what he does. if it works do it I say.

Online has become a distant memory for me now though. I got a little bored, tried the campaigns and wow... I never looked back http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif

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Fehler
01-05-2004, 02:54 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by x__CRASH__x:
He's probably suffered the same dilemma many of us face. The dreded "FW Run90" I hate people who run. They only tired, and I get the kill, but bored to tears.

I love it when I get on a good 190 pilots six and he shakes me. I'm not saying you aren't good Hristo, I've never flown with or against you that I can remember, but when they pull some crazy manuever that throws me, it deserves my respect. And it can be done. It has quite a number of time. But more often than not if I get on their six they do exactly what you did. Dive and run as fast as they can. That just gets boring. Chasing someone who does that gets boring.

But I would never kick you from a server for doing it.

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Gets boring? Fighting turn fighters that can hear you from 1km away when you dive in on them and watching them pull turn after turn after turn is what is TRULY boring.

Have you ever been in a real plane and pulled a high speed turn? A two minute turn fight would leave you so exhausted you would feel like you got your butt whooped by Bubba and his six brothers.

The one major complaint I have with this sim is not that the planes couldnt do what they do in the game, but the PILOTS couldnt do it. Even with a G suit, my little ride in an F-15 made me feel like a whipped puppy (And I doubt we ever got over 4 G's). I couldnt imagine pulling 3-5 G's over and over again without recourse.

I truly hope BoB models in pilot fatigue. Then everyone will get a better feeling for how well the high wing loaded aircraft could perform against the turn and burners.

I agree with Hristo on this one completely. A guy gets mad that you wont fight his fight. Why does he even host a server? What he is wanting is kills, not competition. He imagines himself as some great WWII ace and cries when the fight doesnt go his way. He would be better served flying offline with invulnerable settings on so he can be the hero that he always wanted to be in real life, but was too big a dweeb to accomplish it.

Hristo, I recommend that you fly on GreaterGreen. The pilots there are good. The maps and planesets are great, and the people there dont whine like little girls...

(Although Leadspitter does fly there on occassion... http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif)

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Hristo_
01-05-2004, 04:24 AM
Thanks, Fehler. I already flew on Greatergreen several times and enjoyed it very much.

As for this thread, let's stop bashing the host and think of something useful now http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif.

That pilot fatigue you mentioned is an interesting idea. I believe WW2OL has something similar implemented, right ?

Gonna start a thread in ORR about it now http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Zayets
01-05-2004, 04:38 AM
Kicked?
Never been kicked.I quitt to play online for a while. Preffer my own missionsor campaigns.I'm da king.Besides , everyone seeing a Sturmovik will try to kill it. Some ppl went down in flames trying to kill my bird. Heard many bad words when that happened.DF servers are evil.Go in there when you are in a really good mood.

WUAF_Badsight
01-05-2004, 04:39 AM
no no .....

that host was a dumba$$ ..... lets bash away

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Capt.LoneRanger
01-05-2004, 04:51 AM
@ VW-IceFire

Never had to agree more to a post here. This is a simulation, not an ego-shooter. It's not about "stay in this arena and fight", but a simulation. To retreat from a fight you'll probably not survive is a tactic, not something he does to bore you. If anybody gets bored chasing an enemy, it's the chasers problem and if he doesn't want to chase you, he can break off anytime.
If you want freakin' headless kamikaze-pilots, who don't care about being killed and don't care about tactics, go play BF1942 and join the planecamper-crowd, that's there on every damned server.


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robban75
01-05-2004, 04:58 AM
Excellent move Hristo! For the people that find it boring when the 190 runs away, what's the problem? You have to realise that even though it's a game I don't want to risk getting shot down. For example, a Fw 190 against an La-5(any version), with the La-5 on the tail of the 190. What to do? The La-5 will outclimb, outturn, and outfly you. Against that kind of superiority, Hristo did the best thing. If I can use the strength in my plane against yours, than please understand that I will do so. If I know that your fighter is a better turner than mine, I'd expect you to turn. If I'm faster than you, believen me I'm gonna run away and come back when the odds are on my side.

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Zburatorul.
01-06-2004, 01:28 AM
First, I want to salute all the FB community.
Altough I am quite a noob in on line playing I really start to enjoy it, 'till I experienced the same problem like Hristo: ****d from a df server, host by a member of a well know squad for "cowardish behavoir"...and I was playing onto that server only by 10-15 minutes.I was too flew a Fw 190,and after an unsuccesfull pas over an enemy Yak3 I was jumped by an another Yak, coming from my 6 o'clock high,with a superior speed.I was alone,so I did a normal thing (from my point of view..): I dive and try to obtain a superiour speed (run away? http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif).After 40-50 secs the distance between us start to grow,and I recive a message from the yak fellow "Z.,you must fight, not to run!"..yeah,he ment to play a little TnB with his yak,in my fw, no?But somehow I accepted and of course i was shot down(did I mention that I,m not a great pilot http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif?).And in the moment when my plane hit the ground, and he recived those most wanted points for his "heroic" kill,I was ****d without a warning.
Although it was only an game I was left with a bitter taste...I use to consider Fb a game for true flight enthuziast,not for some blood thursty shooters.And I am not a coward...especially here http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif.
So, please excuse my english, and my frustration too.

Henkie_
01-06-2004, 02:25 AM
Bnz is boring, and dive and run away also yeshttp://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

but the host that is kicking the Bnz-er from the game becuase the Bnz-er play to survive, that host is a dweeb. If I am in the maneuverable plane, ofcourse I don't like to see the faster plane run. But I know then that he is smart, that he play to survive, and I can respect it very much.

I had something almost the same but the in the other situation (in IL2). I was in the I16 and the host in the 190A5. He think that he can BnZ me easy and that I will follow in the zoomclimb and try to climb to the fight always so that he can shoot me easy and the fight will be over quick. Wrong.http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif

The dweeb was taking 25% fuel in his 190, so he run out after 15 min. LOL
He also acuse me of running away in the I16 from his 190 http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif But the I16 is too slow to run away. But I was kicked for that also.

It is just dumb hosts that like best to play only against noobies.

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SeaFireLIV
01-06-2004, 04:42 AM
Nope, I can`t help it- I gotta say it again. Hosts who kick people for flying their respective aircraft properly should be banned.... No- shot! It`s gotta be a whiny kid who`s had it all his way and must do against Humans too. I`d love to meet him in R/L!

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Zayets
01-06-2004, 04:55 AM
I think is better to make a list with all these hosts and put a sticky here on the forum : "Lousy Hosts means Lousy People". Everybody will be aware not to fly on these servers. To make things even , another sticky with most banned players , although this is not necessary , someone hosting may have that IP in the banned list.

Zayets out