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XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 03:28 AM
I've been getting a plethora of Messenger pop-up ads lately. The company that does promotes these types of ads if http://www.4vsoft.com/ . It's a pain in the a$$ when one pops up while I'm online playing FB. Anyone else having problems with these? And advice?

This is sort of what they look like:
http://pages.prodigy.net/4parks/_images/sucks.jpg


Apparently they can be sent by anyone to a range of IP addresses.

This ought to be illegal.



Regards,

SkyChimp

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XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 03:28 AM
I've been getting a plethora of Messenger pop-up ads lately. The company that does promotes these types of ads if http://www.4vsoft.com/ . It's a pain in the a$$ when one pops up while I'm online playing FB. Anyone else having problems with these? And advice?

This is sort of what they look like:
http://pages.prodigy.net/4parks/_images/sucks.jpg


Apparently they can be sent by anyone to a range of IP addresses.

This ought to be illegal.



Regards,

SkyChimp

http://pages.prodigy.net/4parks/_uimages/corsairs.jpg

XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 03:30 AM
Shut off your messenger, it worked for me.

http://www.itc.virginia.edu/desktop/docs/messagepopup/

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XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 03:33 AM
The only good thing about having dial-up. Free pop up blocker. /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif


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XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 03:33 AM
Turn of the messeging service in xp. This will prevent them from popping up.
Dont confuse the messeging service with messenger though.

XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 03:33 AM
These 4 easy steps will turn off the messenger service used to send messenger service popup ads. The Messenger service is not related to Windows Messenger or MSN Messenger.:

Go to Start, then Run and type in services.msc Click Ok

Scroll to Messenger, select it, right click it and choose Properties.

Under startup choose "Disabled", then choose Stop.

When stopped, click Ok.

here ya go.





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XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 03:40 AM
very very wierd, ive been getting really bad messenger pop ups, but from this company called endads.com, i exit my messenger also. i dunno what to do other than leave my pop up blocker up. which isnt fair, i mean come on, damn ad people

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XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 03:41 AM
what breed of popup killer software are you running?

XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 03:44 AM
PBS_DangerMouse wrote:
- These 4 easy steps will turn off the messenger
- service used to send messenger service popup ads.
- The Messenger service is not related to Windows
- Messenger or MSN Messenger.:
-
- Go to Start, then Run and type in services.msc Click
- Ok
-
- Scroll to Messenger, select it, right click it and
- choose Properties.
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- Under startup choose "Disabled", then choose Stop.
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- When stopped, click Ok.
-
- here ya go.


Ok, thanks. I did all that. We'll see if it works.

I'm getting a popup every 10-20 minutes or so.



Regards,

SkyChimp

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XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 03:59 AM
yea used to happen to me, the pop up right in front of the game so u cant see your gunsight anymore. if the title bars say messanger service than it should work. my brother is the one that told me how to fix that awhile ago, youd be surprised how easy it is to send those. took him about 3 seconds and he had sent a message saying "i got mail, yaaaaaaaaaaaay" to everybody within the chicagoland area or something rediculous like that.

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XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 04:03 AM
lol, i am running pop-up stopper free edition, i only like using it when i know im going into a free website that will be lauching pop-up(like dumba$$ gator), but i dont like to leave it on or have it up. i tried that disabling thing, so im just going to wait a while, see what happens

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Message Edited on 06/26/0310:04PM by cd_jakevas

XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 06:41 AM
Gee thanks a ton DangerMouse!
i was just talking to some one about them dmn things today. lol they drive me crazy! nuthin sucks worse than having a sweet firing solution on a 190 at close range and then have a gray box up up in your cockpit asking if you'ld like to buy a ***** enlargement or if you'ld like to see Bobbie Jo's web cam.
Grrrrr! if real WWII pilots had to deal with that crap the war would still be going on! lol
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XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 09:59 AM
I'm so happy I still use windows 98SE. No built in messenger service for spammers to use/i/smilies/16x16_smiley-happy.gif .

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fluke39
06-27-2003, 10:33 AM
cd_jakevas wrote:
- very very wierd, ive been getting really bad
- messenger pop ups, but from this company called
- endads.com, i exit my messenger also. i dunno what
- to do other than leave my pop up blocker up. which
- isnt fair, i mean come on, damn ad people
-

ditto

first i got really bad ones from byebyeads (pop-up killer)
and now endads - b*stards arn't they?
i totally refuse to get a pop-up killer from some arse who advertises in such a devious way.
#
thing is i seem to get them when on fb most of the time ( in fact i just finished downloading a killer a couple of minutes ago - really hope it sorts stuff out)


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XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 10:50 AM
A Firewall such as the free Zonealarm does the trick as well.



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fluke39
06-27-2003, 10:54 AM
i have a firewall

and it doesn't seem to stop any of these ads?


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XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 10:59 AM
If you are getting the same popup every time you star Exploder /messenger you probably have some spyware.
Just get Ad-aware and run it.if you think thats not enough you can also get Spybot 1.2

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XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 11:05 AM
fluke39 wrote:
- i have a firewall
-
- and it doesn't seem to stop any of these ads?

If you would know what a firewall actually does, you will also know that a firewall IN NOW WAY can stop/block these ads from occuring (they should indeed be outlawed such ads; it's lower than being a republican)

XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 11:35 AM
This is good advice.
I can only add.....
Run them both as they use different data bases.
Also visit www.grc.com (http://www.grc.com).
Use the free "Shields Up" & "Check My Ports" online
security checks....You may be in for a surprise...
While you are there you might want to have a read about
DOS,DDOS,DRDOS attacks.
Sure scared the heck out of me.
C'mon comrades if we all fight the scamming,spamming mongrels We will win.
If one of us falters......
We all loose.
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Nikodemus-LH wrote:
- If you are getting the same popup every time you
- star Exploder /messenger you probably have some
- spyware.
- Just get Ad-aware and run it.if you think thats not
- enough you can also get Spybot 1.2
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- http://www.Lavasoft.nu
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- http://security.kolla.de/
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XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 11:40 AM
Dear Fresshness,

A Firewall CAN INDEED block NET SEND Messages by blocking the ports that it sends on:

I have been using NET SEND over Company Networks for over 8 years now to communicate with staff.

These messages are being sent by using the DOS command

NET SEND "IP ADDRESS" "MESSAGE"

For Example: NET SEND 192.168.5.165 Hello will send Hello to 192.168.5.165

So any Firewall blocking those ports (Which ZoneAlarm does I CAN ASSURE YOU) will stop these messages.

Further Info:

The recent messages are making it past the usual NetBIOS filters (ports 137-139, port 445) because in Windows 2000 and XP, the Messenger Service now works using RPC. A lookup is done on port 135 (epmap, DCE [RPC] endpoint resolution). That tells what high-numbered port the Messenger Service is listening on. The best way to stop this is to permanently disable the Messenger Service. You may also want to block port 135. I have also included information about Microsoft Distributed COM (DCOM), which uses port 135.

So, you see, a Firewall will help, which everyone should have anyway, but disabling the Messenger function will also disable these messages.

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XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 11:46 AM
Ad-trojans are getting more and more usual, it's pretty insane companies are allowed to do this. There are a couple of way to protect yourself though:

* Don't use MSIE or Outlook Express.
* Run Ad-aware or other scanning program frequently.
* Keep your security settings high, have your browser prompt before running scripts & applets.
* Use a filtering proxy to block out ads and the spammer domains.

I use all these measures and I never see an advertisment http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

fluke39
06-27-2003, 11:47 AM
Dear Freshness

WTF are u SHOUTING at me for?

I do know generally what a FIREWALL DOES otherwise i would not have installed one

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fluke39
06-27-2003, 11:49 AM
its part of an airplane engine isn't it?


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XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 12:08 PM
I aint shouting fluke.

and again, firewall can't block these things. think what you must and believe just the same, but I know better.

XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 12:22 PM
"I aint shouting fluke.

and again, firewall can't block these things. think what you must and believe just the same, but I know better."


Ok then Freshness, can you explain how they get from the internet to my computer without going through a Port?

Because if so, you have invented a completely new form of TCP/IP data transfer and you are a very clever boy.

Firewalls DO BLOCK THESE MESSAGES

Thats a fact.





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XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 12:53 PM
Ok Fresshness,

Here we are for YOUR INFO, so now you can read the technical info and decide to believe what you want. just don't try to come accross as someone who knows what they are talking about. Because you don't.

I would also like to bring your attention to the last paragraph, which I have made bold.

thank you,


Messenger Service Window That Contains an Internet Advertisement Appears
The information in this article applies to:
Microsoft Windows XP Professional
Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition
Microsoft Windows XP Tablet PC Edition
Microsoft Windows XP Media Center Edition
Microsoft Windows XP 64-Bit Edition
Microsoft Windows 2000 Advanced Server
Microsoft Windows 2000 Server
Microsoft Windows 2000 Professional
Microsoft MSN Messenger 4.5
Microsoft MSN Messenger 4.6
Microsoft MSN Messenger 5.0
Microsoft Windows Messenger 4.0
Microsoft Windows Messenger 4.5
Microsoft Windows Messenger 4.6
Microsoft Windows Messenger 4.7

This article was previously published under Q330904
SYMPTOMS
A Messenger service window that contains an Internet advertisement appears. The text in the advertisement is similar to the following text:

Messenger Service
Message from source to your_computer_name.ISP_name on date time
Message Text
These messages are also called "messenger spam."
CAUSE
This issue occurs if you receive a net send message from someone who is using the Messenger service in Windows. The Messenger service is a Windows service that transmits net send messages and messages that are sent through the Alerter service between client computers and servers. For example, the Messenger service can be used by network administrators to send administrative alerts to network users. The Messenger service can also be used by Windows and other software programs. For example, Windows may use it to inform you when a print job is completed or when you lose power to your computer and switch to a uninterruptible power supply (UPS). Your antivirus program may use the Messenger service to send you notifications. The Messenger service is not related to your Web browser, e-mail program, Windows Messenger, or MSN Messenger. This issue may occur if the following conditions exist:
The Messenger service is started.
The Remote Procedure Call service is started.
Inbound NetBIOS (NetBIOS over TCP/IP) and UDP broadcast traffic is turned on for your Internet connection.
RESOLUTION
To resolve this issue, install or turn on a firewall that blocks inbound NetBIOS and UDP broadcast traffic. The method that you use to resolve this issue depends on your operating system and how you connect to the Internet. The following sections provide examples of several different configurations and possible methods of resolution.
You Connect to the Internet Directly
If you use a single computer that is connected to the Internet directly (by using a cable modem, a DSL modem, or a dial-up modem, for example), install a firewall and block inbound NetBIOS and UDPbroadcast traffic on your computer.


You Are Running Windows XP
If you are running Windows XP and connect to the Internet directly (by using a cable modem, a DSL modem, or a dial-up modem, for example), install Windows XP Service Pack 1 (SP1) and turn on Internet Connection Firewall (ICF). By default, the installation of Windows XP SP1 allows Internet Connection Firewall (ICF) to block all incoming traffic (unicast, multicast, and broadcast). For additional information about this change in ICF blocking behavior in Windows XP SP1, click the following article number to view the article in the Microsoft Knowledge Base:
329928 ICF Now Blocks Unsolicited Inbound Unicast, Multicast, and Broadcast Traffic

For additional information about how to obtain Windows XP SP1, click the following article number to view the article in the Microsoft Knowledge Base:
322389 How to Obtain the Latest Windows XP Service Pack

For additional information about how to turn on ICF, click the following article number to view the article in the Microsoft Knowledge Base:
283673 HOW TO: Enable or Disable Internet Connection Firewall in Windows XP

You Are Running Windows 2000
If you are running Windows 2000 and connect to the Internet directly (by using a cable modem, a DSL modem, or a dial-up modem, for example), obtain and install a third-party firewall product that blocks inbound NetBIOS and UDP broadcast traffic. For additional information about firewalls, visit the following Microsoft Web site:
http://www.microsoft.com/security/articles/firewall.asp

You Connect to the Internet Through a Small Network That You Manage
If your network uses connection sharing to provide Internet access to multiple computers, install or enable the firewall only on the shared Internet connection.
You Are Running Windows XP with ICS
If you use Internet Connection Sharing (ICS) in Windows XP to provide Internet access to multiple computers, install Windows XP SP1 on the ICS host computer and turn on ICF only on the ICS host computer.
You Are Running Windows with a Hardware Internet Connection Sharing Device
If you use a router or other hardware device to provide Internet access to multiple computers, configure the connection sharing device to block inbound NetBIOS and UDP broadcast traffic. Contact the manufacturer of your third-party connection sharing device for more information.
You Connect to the Internet Though a Network That You Do Not Manage
If you connect to the Internet by using a corporate network or if your Internet service provider (ISP) uses a firewall, ask the network administrator to configure the firewall to block inbound NetBIOS and UDP traffic. Contact your network administrator or ISP for more information.
WORKAROUND
To work around this issue, turn off the Messenger service. To do so, follow these steps:
Click Start, and then click Control Panel (or point to Settings, and then click Control Panel).
Double-click Administrative Tools.
Double-click Services.
Double-click Messenger.
In the Startup type list, click Disabled.
Click Stop, and then click OK.
Note If the Messenger service is stopped, messages from the Alerter service (notifications from your antivirus software, for example) are not transmitted. If the Messenger service is turned off, any services that explicitly depend on the Messenger service do not start, and an error message is logged in the System event log. For this reason, Microsoft recommends that you install a firewall and configure it to block NetBIOS and RPC traffic instead of turning off the Messenger service.
MORE INFORMATION
The Messenger service uses UDP ports 135, 137, and 138; TCP ports 135, 139, and 445; and an ephemeral (that is, short-lived) port number greater than 1024.

In addition to preventing net send messages, a firewall can also protect your computer from other malicious attacks over the Internet. These attacks can be designed to perform the following tasks:
Access your private information
Distribute software illegally by appropriating space on your hard disk
For additional information about this issue, visit the following Microsoft Web site:

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XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 03:10 PM
Madcowz is right.

Sorry Fresshness, but you really are just going to have to admit defeat on this one.

A properly configured firewall will absolutely stop Microsoft Messenger Service messages appearing on your screen. Note the phrase *properly configured*.

If you have installed a firewall on your system but haven't blocked any ports, then this is probably why yours isn't working. Alternatively you might have the ports blocked, but UPnP forwarding *might* be overriding it, depending once again on the configuration and the model/make of hardware firewall.

Another alternative is that you may have installed your firewall, configured it correctly, and then sent a net send message from one PC to another on the same local net, which will of course work since you don't need to go through the firewall to get there.

Use that very wonderful invention "google" to find out more information about this and you will find hundreds of thousands of references which will all say the same thing. Ignore the ones that don't, they are talking out of their RSBs.

Madcowz information is absolutely 100% correct - trust me, I've been working with firewalls in a professional capacity for over ten years.


On a side note, it is a very good idea to configure your firewall to block the ports mentioned and make sure that there is no NetBIOS over IP (NetBIP) being transmitted outwith your local net.



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XyZspineZyX
06-27-2003, 04:05 PM
Fresshness wrote:
- (they should indeed be outlawed such ads; it's lower
- than being a republican)

Which means it's about 6 steps above being a Democrat (found in your dictionary between demented and demonic). /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif /i/smilies/16x16_smiley-very-happy.gif

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