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michapma
02-24-2004, 05:56 AM
Hi all,

Reposting from the Tech forum, got some response but not what I was hoping for.

This is a problem I sort of love to have. I'm a sucker for eye candy. I have an MSI Ti4200 with 128MB RAM. It's pretty good, I've gotten along with it for a while. But I'm "insatiable," and I want to be able to never have to worry about frame rates (unless I push my CPU too far) and maybe even fly with full beauty from time to time. Plus it never hurts with other sims.

For several months now I've had my eye on getting a 9600XT. There don't seem to be many 9500s around these parts for good prices. Actually I've been waiting for prices to fall, I thought they would during Jan/Feb. Oh well. I can get an HIS 9600XT 600/400MHz with 256MB TV-Out (so what) and DVI (me like!) for 284.9 CHF: that's currently about 226 USD, 121 GBP, or 180 EUR.

I'm not willing to pay much more for a card, can anyone give me some insight on what might give this card a run for the money, or why I might wait for the next great breakthrough? In the other thread (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=49310655&m=970103342) someone pointed to a 9800pro for a slightly lower price. That's great, but I live in Switzerland, so unless anyone knows of local offers it doesn't help. What I'm looking for is information about competitors. Is Nvidia providing any competition? Are new cards expected in the coming months that will drive prices down?

Edit: I had linked to the 9800pro sale instead of the other thread.

Much obliged,
Mike

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[This message was edited by michapma on Wed February 25 2004 at 09:06 AM.]

michapma
02-24-2004, 05:56 AM
Hi all,

Reposting from the Tech forum, got some response but not what I was hoping for.

This is a problem I sort of love to have. I'm a sucker for eye candy. I have an MSI Ti4200 with 128MB RAM. It's pretty good, I've gotten along with it for a while. But I'm "insatiable," and I want to be able to never have to worry about frame rates (unless I push my CPU too far) and maybe even fly with full beauty from time to time. Plus it never hurts with other sims.

For several months now I've had my eye on getting a 9600XT. There don't seem to be many 9500s around these parts for good prices. Actually I've been waiting for prices to fall, I thought they would during Jan/Feb. Oh well. I can get an HIS 9600XT 600/400MHz with 256MB TV-Out (so what) and DVI (me like!) for 284.9 CHF: that's currently about 226 USD, 121 GBP, or 180 EUR.

I'm not willing to pay much more for a card, can anyone give me some insight on what might give this card a run for the money, or why I might wait for the next great breakthrough? In the other thread (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums?a=tpc&s=400102&f=49310655&m=970103342) someone pointed to a 9800pro for a slightly lower price. That's great, but I live in Switzerland, so unless anyone knows of local offers it doesn't help. What I'm looking for is information about competitors. Is Nvidia providing any competition? Are new cards expected in the coming months that will drive prices down?

Edit: I had linked to the 9800pro sale instead of the other thread.

Much obliged,
Mike

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[This message was edited by michapma on Wed February 25 2004 at 09:06 AM.]

TgD Thunderbolt56
02-24-2004, 06:46 AM
The next generation of real improvements in GPU's isn't scheduled to be released until Q2 2004 or later. With the price restrictions you've given, Your choice should yield decent improvements.

TB



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Jumoschwanz
02-24-2004, 09:30 AM
If you are insaitiable, then you must overextend your finances and get the best card out there. It will be cheaper. It is much more expensive constantly climbing rungs than to start at the top.

I spent a lot of money a few years ago climbing the Nvidia ladder to find out I had spent twice as much as their best card I ended up with anyway. The gf3ti500, that still kicks a$$ and I would take over a 9600.

If you get the best card out there it will save you money because you will not need another fix for a long time.

I bought one of the radeon 9700 pros when they first came out over a year ago and it still will hold it's own with anything out there. I don't think there will be a card worth upgrading to until long after pci express has taken over.

The 9500,9700,9800 pro cards are in a league of their own. If you get a 9600 card, which does not (benchmark with a 9500pro), you will just sit around and wonder what you are missing anyway just like you are now.

A top of the line ATI card will be all anyone needs for the next couple of years. by then 64bit/pci express, and god knows what else will have most of the bugs worked out and finally be worth investing in.

I recently put together one last super 32bit machine to take me through 64bits ironing out period. An xp3200/a7n8xdeluxe/sata raid0 monster with a 9800pro. I did not buy the latest 9800xt, the original 9800 pro was on clearance at a local store for over a hundred dollars less than it was originally. Same with the xp3200 proccesor I got for hundreds let than it was originally.

NOw is the time to build an AMD/ATI/nforce2 screamer on the cheap that will run anything that comes out in the next 24 months.

64bit is overpriced, undersupported, and underdeveloped right now for anyone except those with more money than brains.


ATI quit the 9500pro because it was not as profitable as the crappier,inferior 9600series.

So find a 9800pro(non xt) while you still can. IN a few months they will be as rare as 9500/9700 series.

Jumoschwanz

arcadeace
02-24-2004, 09:43 AM
As far as cards close to the 9600 XT but better choices, the GeForce 5900FX goes for about $40 more and the 9700 Pro about $50 more. Honestly, for the increase in money the increase in performance in FB is significant to be well worth it in my opinion. Also, ATI's R420 is set for production, its estimated we'll see them in 2 months. When it hits the market prices WILL go down. I don't think you want to wait though http://ubbxforums.ubi.com/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

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JG52-6High
02-24-2004, 09:53 AM
Hey Micha
I^m in good old cheesyland too, just wondered if you have a good address for buying Vid`cards?
Thanx
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michapma
02-25-2004, 09:59 AM
Jumoschwanz and arcadeace, what you guys say makes a lot of sense. Thanks for giving me something to chew on. My problem is the prices on the local market. I suppose I can keep looking, or perhaps order that 9800pro (excellent price) and have it delivered to my brother's address, then pick it up when I visit Stateside in May.

JG52-6High, I do most of my shopping at Steg (http://www.stegcomputer.ch/shop.asp), they fairly consistently have the best prices in Switzerland but of course the limited selection of an online retailer.

Thanks everyone,
Mike

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